Why did Spain go from one of the main centers of wealth, knowledge, and civilization for 1000s of years to a poor, unstable, backwater in just a coupl...

Why did Spain go from one of the main centers of wealth, knowledge, and civilization for 1000s of years to a poor, unstable, backwater in just a couple centuries?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Thousands of years? It was always a shithole, except for a brief period when they were extremely wealthy thanks to their colonies.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      absolute cope, Spain was one of the main cultural centers during the middle ages, and Spain had the best prepared kings of all Europe

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Shitty theological philosophy is not something we should be praising.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >boasts about spain
        >posts a portuguese invention

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It was really prosperous from Roman times until 19th century once the transoceanic empire was lost. Al-Andalus and Spanish Empire were stronger and more advanced than rest of neighbours at the time except for Byzantines and Ottomans.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The Christian kingdoms, that modern Spain is a continuation of, were backwards shitholes.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          For backward shitholes they were the peakest Western Europe kingdoms, aragonese ruled the Mediterranean while Castile and Portugal the atlantic.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            WTF is this schizoid map
            Iberberians really think they controlled all of this ?

            Around 700 cities were founded just at 16th century by Spain based on Renaissance urban techniques, alongside infrastructures, cathedrals, churches, palaces, etc. How many cities have Moroccans ever built? Not even at industrial era when creating cities was easier.

            >at the moment anglos started to care about america it was over for spaniards
            The moment south american elites cared about independence it was over for Spain, British moved to India since West India Company failed at the Caribbean and North America.

            >lmao arabs barely had any civilization or culture
            Moroccans speak arabic, have arabic architecture, have arabic names and surnames and follow arabic religion.

            Maghrebis speak darija, a mix of berber and arabic
            >names and surnames
            Yeah but some of their names are berber
            >architecture
            Its moorish, not arabic
            >arab religion
            Islam isnt an arab religion

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Btw the thread is about Iberian peninsula so andalucian history is included.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >The Christian kingdoms, that modern Spain is a continuation of, were backwards shitholes.

          yeah in the same way that England was a backwards shithole

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It was always poor and backwards.

      This. Looting an entire continent does not an economy make.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Thats the most stupid chart I have ever seen

        >Spain producing less than Holland and England during Middle-Ages and 16th century despite Aragonese ruled mediterranean trading routes and castilians the wool trade in the Netherlands
        >China being lesser economic power despite the entire planet wanted their products
        >India that low despite it was the main producer of exotic products in the world

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          India and China have a low GDP per capita because there are hundreds of millions of changs/poojeets compared to a few million Anglos.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Read the chart more carefully.

          >Aragonese ruled mediterranean trading routes
          Note Italy's wealth. Aragon didn't "rule" Venice and Genoa whose trade routes sprawled as far as Kherson, they were involved in trade, but not as much as Italy, further Aragon was larger with a higher proportion of farmers in the hinterlands which skews gdp per capita.

          England and Holland by contrast were starting to see growth in manufacturing, Holland especially. Holland was a major weaving center and England fetched higher prices for its wool.

          >entire planet wanted China products
          >India main producer of exotic products
          This is a gross miscalculation on your part. Silk and pepper are like 1% of the economy and not evident of some kind of industrial revolution taking place, compare it to something more practical like textiles.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I know you're going to quibble, silk is a textile but a limited luxury product. You don't use silk for sacks and sails.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >China being lesser economic power despite the entire planet wanted their products
          They had 25% of the world population. If their gdp per capita was 30% less than Italy's it wouldn't have mattered. Also, China had high middle ages tier GDP during the Song according to that so what's your issue?
          Also, economic history keeps showing that India was actually poorer than we think. Total GDP and per capita GDP.

          India and China have a low GDP per capita because there are hundreds of millions of changs/poojeets compared to a few million Anglos.

          They became poor only during the Qing.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >high middle ages
            Late middle ages but that's wrong too, renaissance / enlightenment era

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, but how large were all the special industries you're claiming as a share of the economy, and as a share of employment?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >It was always poor and backwards.

        It was not abdul, it was always among the richeest countries in the world, top 20:

        >spain
        >poor

        take the medication moron

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >contests the claim
          >posts data that resembles mine 1:1
          >spain was actually poorer than goddamn sweden despite looting a continent

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You are actually stupid. 1650 Portugal is the 3th richest country, 1750-1800 the 4th. And notice those 7 countries were among the top 15-20 and always were. How is that poor moron? only if 95% of the world is indigent You are clueless

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Poor

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >it was always among the richeest countries in the world
          Spain has gone bankrupt several times.
          https://www.historytoday.com/archive/spanish-bankruptcy

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The state went, but they were always among the top 20-30 worldwide on wealth,

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      And that wasn't even from manufacturing or innovation or anything that required intelligence. They literally just took gold and silver out with slave labor and sent it back to the homeland and then proceeded to waste in in religous wars. Frick Spain.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Was pretty prosperous when muslims were keeping the whitoids in check

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >It was always a shithole, except when it wasn't.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Easy.

    >Fleet destroyed in Trafalgar since the coallition was leaded by typical coward incompetent french officer Villeneuve instead of highly experienced Spanish naval officer Gravina

    >Raging greasy mafia italian manlet egomaniac begins a large-scale war that devastates Spain and takes the lives of 10% of the population in an already sparsely populated country while leaving the Spanish Empire (which was still intact overseas) without a political head.

    >Wellington take advantage of war to destroy and sack factories in North Spain since locals were already very busy with Napoleon army

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >pic related is literally a Sicilian

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Of mixed Spanish (Catalan) descent

        Gravina is NORMAN Sicilian

        Cruyllas = Catalan

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Who cares

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Spain had already lost its hegemony at Rocroi in 1643 and then became a French vassal state following the War of Spanish Succession
      Napoleonic Wars were just the nail on the coffin

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >and then became a French vassal state following the War of Spanish Succession
        What kind of vassal state stole from you your biggest colony aka Louisiana

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >biggest colony aka Louisiana
          Kind of ironic how the spaniards did a lot more with Louisiana in a few years than what the french ever did in centuries.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          France and Spain were allied in that war
          France gave it to Spain so that Britain wouldn't have it

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Italian king of Spain ruined Spain in a war against French king of Spain that had previously ruined Spain in a war against Austrian king of Spain.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The Bourbon didn't ruin Spain, quite the opposite ignorant homosexual.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >The Bourbon didn't ruin Spain!!!
          >proceed to lose the entirety of the Empire way before losing Empires was even a thing, get expelled from the throne twice and bring secessionism up to the mainland
          how do you feel knowing your precious Juan Carlos will go to Hell for adultery? did you pray for him today?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          fr*nch apologists get the rope

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            french >>>>> g*rmans

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I think everyone always just assumes the Peninsula war wasn't a very big deal since it was a sideshow to the main event, but the death toll figures are absolutely brutal, like USSR-tier brutal.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        it gets overshadowed in narratives about the Napoleonic period but yeah it had huge consequences. Not only did it devastate the Peninsula itself it set the stage for the end of the Iberian colonial empires in the Americas.

        [...]
        The Talibans killed homosexuals in the region controled, the only reason Bacha bazi was ever thing in the first place is because of Western influence. Homosexuality has been banned in the entirety of Afghanistan now that Talibans successfully defeated the Americans and their puppet government.

        There's nothing wrong with using asymetric warfare against a numerically and technologically superior foe. Only a fool would bring a knife at a gun fight.

        >the only reason Bacha bazi was ever thing in the first place is because of Western influence.
        lmao no?
        Bacha bazi was an institution around for centuries in Central Asia in general. This is some high grade copium claiming it's a western import

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They got severely fricked up in the 19th century and never recovered: the Napoleonic wars, the loss of their New World colonies, the Carlist wars etc.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It was never a center of civilization. It was a shithole lying outside of the developed areas (Andalus & Beatica) settled by Nafris.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Andalus & Beatica
      Thats part of Iberian peninsula history tho, Al-Andalus was the center of Arabic civilization in the West, not Morocco.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The centers of Arabic civilization were Qayrawan, Fas, and Qurtuba in that order. The rest of Andalus was average.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Al-Adanlus was the land of Abderraman, Averroes, Maimonides, Avempace, etc. Muslim North Africa didn't became a thing until Al-Andalus fell and even then it lasted little since Spanish expanded around the world while North Africa collapsed into little pirate states controlled by Ottomans at conflict with Spanish for the control in the Mediterranean.
          Iberian peninsula is the alpha in the relationship.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Most Maliki scholars are from North Africa. You're not gonna win this "debate" by mentioning a israelite and three pop history figures.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The fact they are known show they are relevant and not unknown schizos know only in their countries, lmao.
            Btw, Islamic law is an irrelevant discipline to the world outside of places like Afghanistan.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Afghanistan.
            You mean the country that humiliated the USA in front of the entire planet? Muttland became a mere regional power after Talichads were done with her.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >humiliated usa
            They lost all of their military engagements
            They conquered all of the country in 2001 and got bored and left

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They defeated America's troony army, seized 100 billions in weapons, and captured 10000 trannies left behind.

            The Talibans crushed the Great Satan so hard that Americans do not dare to project any military power outside of their cesspool anymore and can do nothing but watch as the Russians and the Chinese dismantle their oversea empire in East Asia and Europe.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That anon is right, those were infinitely better than the meme philosophers that came them, like Al-Ghazali or Ibn Taymiyyah.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but you dont understand that for us normal people all the Maliki scholars are worth about a half drank Pepsi.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Were they that worthless?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            All Islamic literature is worthless. These nobodies even more so, jurisprudence and divination in literal shit.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Kys

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Regency of algiers was independant by 1711, many parts of algeria were controlled by native states that fought the ottomans and were never under ottoman rule, morocco had the saadian/cherifian empire who conquered a lot of lands of in SSA

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Lol cope even morocco was vassalized by ottomans
            Also saadis were arabians

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          So nothing of value outside Spain

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Qayrawan, Fas, and Qurtuba
          Literally who?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If you listen to the average nafricuck on this board theyd have you think mesopotamia was located near modern Casablanca LMAO
      Morocco has always been a shithole, Al Andalus was prosperous for the same reason that Visigothic Spain was prosperous; Hispania was THE most romanized areas of the empire (outside of Byzantium and the Italian peninsula), and roman law and administrative practices continued all the way to the fall of the Visigoths.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You're only "accomplishment" is the genocide of Neolithic-tier spear chuckers in America. This is just a fact.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The fact Spain was able to create a transoceanic empire that lasted from 15th century to 19th century while prior to that was the center of Arabic civilization in the West while you stayed irrelevant for world history is not Spain problem tho, Nafris never fathered a civilization, you are inherently offshot of arabs.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            "transoceanic empire" that lead to 90% of amerindians being killed, importation of black slaves, imposition of a racial caste system, destruction of thousands of local cultures and languages, massive rapes, etc

            at the moment anglos started to care about america it was over for spaniards and the latter never managed to conquer anything in north africa except coastal fortresses lol Portuguese tried but they got severely defeated. Fact is nafris are biologically more suited for war than the weak iberians.

            >offshot of arabs
            lmao arabs barely had any civilization or culture you'll find more monuments in Morocco than in the whole arabian peninsula

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Around 700 cities were founded just at 16th century by Spain based on Renaissance urban techniques, alongside infrastructures, cathedrals, churches, palaces, etc. How many cities have Moroccans ever built? Not even at industrial era when creating cities was easier.

            >at the moment anglos started to care about america it was over for spaniards
            The moment south american elites cared about independence it was over for Spain, British moved to India since West India Company failed at the Caribbean and North America.

            >lmao arabs barely had any civilization or culture
            Moroccans speak arabic, have arabic architecture, have arabic names and surnames and follow arabic religion.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >based on Renaissance urban techniques, alongside infrastructures, cathedrals, churches, palaces,
            pls stop implying spaniards are behind all of this stop taking credit for what french, german,anglos did. Spain never really contributed to anything in europe. All your architecture, science, art, etc derive from the north no wonder most french, german and english scholars thought Spain was an extension of Africa.

            >cared about independence
            you were already loosing before that so your "transoceanic empire" only existed for that long because you were the only one there if anglos or moroccans wanted to settle there earlier it would have been over for spaniards and their fricked up "empire".

            >Moroccans speak arabic, have arabic architecture, have arabic names and surnames and follow arabic religion.
            You speak a latin derived language, have french, italian architecture, have latin names and surnames and follow palestinian religion.

            At least north africans managed to preserve their berber dialects and most of their culture isn't arabic nor their architecture go find me a single moorish monument in saudi arabia...good luck.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >pls stop implying spaniards are behind all of this stop taking credit for
            The book that pushed the techniques to build cities, the Laws of the Indies, was created by Spanish scholars during Charles the I and Philipp the II period, back at the time there was not a single city created in Europe aside of Russia who was also expanding to Siberia.

            > All your architecture, science, art, etc derive from the north no wonder most french, german and english
            Italians and Arabs in any case, Baroque and Arabic strongly influenced Spain.

            >You speak a latin derived language, have french, italian architecture, have latin names and surnames and follow palestinian religion.
            Yes, we derive a lot from Italians, its not like we ever denied that like you deny that Morocco isn't a plain derivation of Arabs.

            >At least north africans managed to preserve their berber dialects and most of their culture isn't arabic nor their architecture go find me a single moorish monument in saudi arabia...good luck.
            *Basques*
            Btw your architecture is arab.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >The book that pushed the techniques to build cities
            how comes even amerindians had more advanced cities ?

            >Italians and Arabs in any case, Baroque and Arabic strongly influenced Spain.
            Indeed spaniards didn't contribute much

            > its not like we ever denied that like you deny that Morocco isn't a plain derivation of Arabs.
            go ahead and point out a single arab cultural element in the maghreb

            >Btw your architecture is arab.
            it isn't like I said find me a single moorish monument in the arabian peninsula seems like you confuse middle eastern influences with "arab culture" arabs barely had any urbanistic tradition and most were nomads/bedouins how could such people brought anything to people who were already accustomed to a roman way of life lol ?

            There are persian, roman influences in moorish architecture but certainly not arab

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >how comes even amerindians had more advanced cities ?
            The discussion is not about natives at all but about you, nafris never lead urban, scientific, theological or cultural projects, you got civilized by romans, then by arabs and yet failed, even greatest mystics from Islamic world are persians.

            >Indeed spaniards didn't contribute much
            More than nafris ofc

            >go ahead and point out a single arab cultural element in the maghreb
            Everything on you is arabic, lmao, from your language to your religion, gastronomy, art and physical aspect.

            Riding camels and living in tents = / = Culture

            Arabs literally conquered you and assimilated you into their culture.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >nafris never lead urban, scientific, theological or cultural projects
            I think you project your case on us for whatever reason but overall the maghreb produced much more than the whole iberian peninsula despite your constant connections with the rest of europe, your better environnement, your millenias under foreign rule, etc

            >More than nafris ofc
            sure what's next ? Moldavia produced more than France ? XD

            >from your language to your religion, gastronomy, art and physical aspect.
            arabs can't understand darija and millions still speak berber meanwhile no iberians can speak any iberian/celtiberian languages you totally submitted yourself to italians. Gastronomy has absolutely nothing to do with arabs wtf are you talking about ? Couscous and tajine are now arabs dishes ? XD Art was born in Morocco certainly not arabia where they don't really have any artistic tradition. As for physical aspect spaniards are much closer to arabs than us that's the irony.

            >Arabs literally conquered you and assimilated you into their culture.
            They never conquered anyone they got expelled and defeated in 740 :

            >"Regardless of their martial ability, the Syrian junds failed miserably in quelling the uprising in North Africa in 741. As a result, the governor of al-Andalus eventually invited the desperate troops in Ceuta to cross the Mediterranean and enter al-Andalus in order to help him put down a similar Berber rebellion"

            Arabs got later again defeated by almohads and used as cannon fodder in al andalus :

            >"In 1161, the Beni Hilal, once again in revolt, were crushed near Kairouan in a battle against the army of the Almohad sultan Abd al-moumin. A thousand people from each Jochem tribe were then forced to provide contingents for the wars in Spain. The Beni Hilal were thus massively displaced towards the western coasts to be enrolled in the holy war in Andalusia, as were the successive sovereigns.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >maghreb produced much more than the whole iberian peninsula
            Aside of Hannibal, who was lebanese, there is not a single nafri who ever did something historically relevant, neither in philosophically, military, theologically, spiritually, scientifically, artistically, civilizationally, etc.

            >your constant connections with the rest of europe
            Europe was a shithole prior to 18th centiry scientific revolution, the time Spain started to decline. You by the otherside were linked to Middle-East, the oldest civilization ever and yet failed at everything, even Al-Andalus became bulwark of Islam in the West while you did pretty nothing.

            Btw, you are arab and still arabs, no matter hiw much deny your arabic roots. You are to saudis what Cuba is to Spain.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you trying to hurt me now ? hahah I won't take the bait and answer what I wrote or else you admit I'm right.

            As a spanish scholar said :

            >"It is necessary to show the other Europeans that the Spaniards are superior, that Africa does not begin at the Pyrenees. The distinction between Spanish-Christian and Moorish-Muslim of the previous centuries becomes in the 19th and 20th centuries the distinction between Spanish-European and Moorish-African Asiatic. This attitude reveals a feeling of inferiority in the Spaniards that is translated by a transfer on the other the Moor of what, in their interior, makes them feel inferior and less evolved or "civilized" than other Europeans. They attribute in large part the causes of the delay of their country to the eight centuries of muslim presence in Spain.

            we all know how insecure you are.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >As a spanish scholar said :
            That meme of Europe starts beyond the Pyrenees has been used with humor by most of spanish, nothing wrong with Arab culture considering Arabic Golden Era during Middle-Ages. Morocco was, is and will be a flavour of Arabic civilization.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            no it's more than a joke it's a real feeling and seeing how iberians react on the internet it's obvious they are insecure and feel inferior to other europeans

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            We often learn more about Al-Andalus than about Medieval Spain, no one aside of radical nationalists ever cared about Arabs as no one cares about Romans or Phoenicians leaving their influence. Average Spanish is often pride of Al-Andalus, Visigothic Kingdom and Spanish Empire, the depressive pill comes with Spain not recovering from Napoleonic wars.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            so you are telling me I shouldn't defend myself when I'm called a moor?
            frick you fricking Black person

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Take the medication mohammed.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Hannibal was paternally numidian/lybic
            Also tariq ibn ziyad (military), St augustine (religion)

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >but overall the maghreb produced much more than the whole iberian peninsula

            LOOOL
            One century of iberian history is more than enough for all the magreb

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >World of Science by Proportion
            Is there a reason Israel isn't the largest in the image? I think it's silly that you all here pretend to not be anti-semites, but it's clear what the message is.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Damn, North Africa sure is fricked. Even South Africa, literal Black folk, have been more useful to humankind than them.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao can tell it's wrong just by looking at the largest country on the map

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The first part is true, however the second part is just a wishful thinking. Moorish culture is Berber, Arabs were tent-dwelling savages until very recently, it is impossible for them to civilize anyone aside from abos.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Arabic architecture doesn't exist. The real Arabs live in tents and pray inside big mudhuts.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Why you seethe so hard for being a product of arab culture? lmao

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Riding camels and living in tents = / = Culture

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You're right, half of Italy, including Milan, Sicily, and Sardinia, we won over a game of parchis

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Greeks, Turks, Nafris, Alans, Frenchmen, most Italian ethnicities, Philippinos, Bronze wielding Incas

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >your only accomplishment is exploring, conquering and settling an entire continent and starting the age of exploration
          >

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            its pure envy in general terms, apart from all the intellectual pretensions typical of a primary school kid, the reality is that the mark left by the Spanish has been one of colossal scale like few other civilizations, see Neil Degrasse Tyson. The fact of Spanish is the second most studied language after English, reveals the reality of the world, if in 150 years 10 languages/cultures have to survive, one of them will be Spanish.
            German, Ukranian, Japanese, French, etc., will dissapear and with them all memories of the poems and odes western scholars sang to themselves in an intellectual jerk circle of cataclysmic proportions, victory does not spare cowards and losers, and considering China's claims of supremacy in all scholar fields, they can prepare for their own black legend and everlasting oblivion during the next centuries of east asian rule.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >chinese black legend
            No need for that, they already have enough dirt under their foot.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Africa was definitely more romanized and wealthier than Hispania :

        >North Africa’s wealth was also important for the financial state of the Roman Empire, especially in the western half, where it was the wealthiest province.
        .
        >"Salvian, a Christian writer of the fifth century, also became lyrical about the wealth of Africa – according to him, the Vandals ‘captured the soul of the empire’" ( Salv. Gub. Dei 6.12.)

        Hispania was under the influence of africa :

        >"The relations between Hispania and Africa during the Late Empire were intense in both directions. Hispania was subject to a strong cultural and commercial influence from Africa, and the African origin of Hispanic Christianity is confirmed by the liturgy and by all the paleochristian remains".
        .
        >"Students of late antiquity tend to lump Spain together with Gaul or Britain, as part of the western provinces generally, but the depth and breadth of Spanish urbanism meant it had far more in common with Italy or North Africa."

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >“What could human voice say worthy of your lands Hispania? Rich in horses, fertile in cereals, precious in mines, and above all fecund in Pious Princes. From you the centuries received Trajan; from you Hadrian, source from whom flowed the Aelii, Antoninus and Marcus Aurelius; from you was born Theodosius, and our two young brothers Arcadius and Honorius saw your lands before any others. Each province conquered by Rome rendered their gifts to the Empire: Egypt the grain and the encampments; Gaul, her abundance in strong soldiers; Illyria, her horses; all things that can be found elsewhere. But Hispania gave a greater tribute to Rome: the Augusti. Her lands grow those worthy to rule the Empire.”
          -Claudianus, poet from Theodosius court circa 4th century

          Dilate.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            none of the people mentionned are local spaniards as pointed out by historians :

            >"During the early part of the second century A.D. Rome was ruled by emperors of Hispano-Roman origin, and there were three more emperors from Hispania in the late fourth and early fifth centuries. Several important philosophers and writers of the empire, including Seneca and Lucan, came from the peninsula. Yet it should be noted that nearly all these major figures were the offspring of Roman officials and colonists living there, not of Romanized native Hispani."

            Dilate.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            And what do you think happened to those settlers? The Basques are different from their romance neighbors.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            you do not erase hundreds of thousands of italian settlers because today their influence is weak. I've seen the dna results of some moriscos and they always have lots of italian ancestry this clearly means that the south used to be way more italian than today since andalucia got repopulated

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Do you realize that's not directly roman ancestry don't you? but similar dna that europeans (romans and iberians shared since pre-historical times), most surely the same Farmoid and Steppe -celtic-latin

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            you do not erase hundreds of thousands of italian settlers because today their influence is weak. I've seen the dna results of some moriscos and they always have lots of italian ancestry this clearly means that the south used to be way more italian than today since andalucia got repopulated

            Do you realize that's not directly roman ancestry don't you? but similar dna that europeans (romans and iberians shared since pre-historical times), most surely the same Farmoid and Steppe -celtic-latin

            Spaniards are the closest one to ancient roman, genetically.
            https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2021/09/26/genetic-origins-of-the-etruscans-new-study-on-ancient-central-italy/
            >Although the Etruscans spoke a non-Indo-European language, principal component and admixture analysis shows that they were genetically indistinguishable from the neighboring Indo-European Italics of the Roman Republic, including the city of Rome. Both populations clustered with modern Spaniards, rather than modern Italians.
            This is not to we wuz as like most Spaniards I identify more with the ancient Iberians than with the Roman but it is a fact.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            holy cope

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >nafri cucks
        Funny how those "cucks" butchered, raped and cucked your ancestors

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          delirious

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >deny the invasion of iberia

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Spain and Portugal are surely among the top 5-10 most historically glorious nations on the planet and they were born against andalus in the reconquista.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    North Italy was the main center of those things tho

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >spain
    >poor

    take the medication moron

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      OP btfo

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This. Have any of these motherfrickers BEEN to Spain? It's extremely wealthy in all of the developed (i.e. non-desert) areas and the standards of living are astronomical compared to anywhere else I've been, with way more purchasing power. So wealthy that they are making work laws & benefits even more lax than they already are, and the people all go take siestas and party until 6am.

      Far better than Germany, France or Italy - in fact I would call THOSE places shitholes. I'm not even a Spaniard.

      I have no fricking clue why this moronic meme that Spain is poor got started - probably some ameritard shit as usual.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        spainards don't want to combat the Spain is poor meme. people won't flood to their country en masse if they don't advertise it as amazing.
        Spain's at the end of Europe, it has France and so many other countries to keep threats out. If people think Spain is poor and awful nobody will want to go live there.
        they spread the meme themselves.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Even other Europeans know Spain is alright, there is a reason why it gets a lot of tourists, retirees and students from other European countries.
          If it was a true shithole, no one would want to go there.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Europeans go to Croatia in hugr numbers, a country that was in a war recently

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            fricking lmao

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            13.8 million is quite a lot for such a small country for every 11 tourists who go to America, there are 2 who go to Croatia

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It would be total paradise if it was not for:
          -The most corrupt and unmoral political parties in Europe for the last 40 years. They have been working to create troubles every single year.
          -Inmigration of nonEuropeans started in year 2000. 8-9 millions. Madrid and Barcelona are already lost forever and it will only go worst. Other cities have a 10-15% nonEuro population. They have 20% of all newborns in Spain. The amount of delinquency has been extreme (and most Spaniards don´t even know it since politicians ordered the media to avoid telling the nationality or ethnic origin of the rapists, thieves, murderers, etc.

          Literally the 2 main political parties should be illegalized and all their leaders for the last 40 years taken to prison. And even with this they would not pay for their criminal acts against Spain.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >-The most corrupt and unmoral political parties in Europe for the last 40 years. They have been working to create troubles every single year.
            >-Inmigration of nonEuropeans started in year 2000. 8-9 millions. Madrid and Barcelona are already lost forever and it will only go worst. Other cities have a 10-15% nonEuro population. They have 20% of all newborns in Spain. The amount of delinquency has been extreme (and most Spaniards don´t even know it since politicians ordered the media to avoid telling the nationality or ethnic origin of the rapists, thieves, murderers, etc.
            change the name of the country and and the cities with two major cities from almost any non balkan euro country and it would be the exact same
            it is unironically all over for europe if it keeps going on like this, and it will
            the poltards and reactionary converts on here are obnoxious but their existence is no mystery

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Compare that to Germany, Sweden and the UK etc
            The UK is ironic because while they also have a lot of anglo-white majority countries, it seems they only attract blacks, pakis and eastern euros.

            True. There is nothing that can be done because democracy is a meme. Most voters are literally low-average IQ individuals so they are easy to be brainwashed by the dictators. So the people that realize what is going on will never succeed because 50-60% of the voters will always side with the dictators that brainwash them.

            Business wants it cheap labor so importing millions of nafris who don’t work is the solution. Although most of the immigrants living in Spain are South Americans who at least know the culture and language. Compare that to Germany, Sweden and the UK etc. Spain has it much better in that category

            Southamericans in Spain are also an enormous problem. There have been gangs of southamericans raping dozens of Spanish women, many murders (the last one a Bolivian raping and killing -he literally crashed her skull- a Spanish woman for no reason), lots of civic problems and they will always vote for the party that gives them more privileges. Also latin gangs in Madrid and Barcelona (Ñetas, Dominican Don´t Blood and others)

            It is obviously a generalization (since many southamericans are decent) but what we get is the delinquency and uncivic behaviour and how many neighborhoods are guettoes now.
            So even if only 10% of them behave bad they are enough to make miserable the lives of hundred of thousands of Spaniards on a daily basis.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            What are the best immigrants in Spain, according to you?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Dictatorships are bigger memes

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >the last one a Bolivian raping and killing -he literally crashed her skull- a Spanish woman for no reason
            BoliviANO here, scum like that should get the cartel execution video treatment and I bet most of the country would agree.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Business wants it cheap labor so importing millions of nafris who don’t work is the solution. Although most of the immigrants living in Spain are South Americans who at least know the culture and language. Compare that to Germany, Sweden and the UK etc. Spain has it much better in that category

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Compare that to Germany, Sweden and the UK etc
            The UK is ironic because while they also have a lot of anglo-white majority countries, it seems they only attract blacks, pakis and eastern euros.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            gibs

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            UK doesn't attract eastern Euros for decades now

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You just described your average western european government.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Because that's all extremely new historically. Like post 1980 new. Spain was basically on on the level of an Eastern Block country until they took the EU pill.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Are you just going to ignore the Spanish Miracle?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao. 8th world economy with the 2nd fastest growth only behind Japan (american sock puppet) is Eastern block tier?
          Cope loser, Spain only deteriorated since they joined the EU

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They need the EU now more than ever if Russia wins the war

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No? The EU and our traitor governments have given more and more geopolitical ground to Morocco. If anything we are in much more danger now, thanks to the EU.
            I wish Putin would burn everything north of the Pyrenees.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Lol wut? If you are referring to their little border dispute then its nothing. Morocco is poor and doesn't have much political influence. Russia is a threat to Europe

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Youre an idiot. Morocco has been blackmailing Spain with EU (and US) consent for decades. They have broken every international law regarding exclusive economic maritime zones, invaded sovereign Spanish land (western Sahara), increased illegal immigration by 5000% as a threat in the last few years, declared the retaking of sovereign Spanish cities as part of the ""Greater Morocco"", and flooded EU markets with their slave labour produce while the fat pigs in Brussels artificially restrict Spanish exports. All of this while rearming themselves at breakneck pace with israeli and american technology.
            The war in Ukraine is insignificant to Spanish interests and the wellbeing of the country. The reason we suffer is due to our politicians, who all serve german and american interests, not Putin.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >western sahara
            >sovereign spanish land
            What frick are you talking about? That isn't a part of Spain anymore, they relinquished control.
            >declared the retaking of sovereign Spanish cities
            If you mean Ceuta and Melilla, well that is what happens when you help enemies of Morocco like the Sahrawi seperarist movement. Hypocritical of them really since they shut down Catalan seperatiom at the same time
            https://apnews.com/article/spain-government-and-politics-africa-europe-7b6b5ebdfecd96ccc7754b4ba6dcc321
            >flooded EU markets with their slave labour produce while the fat pigs in Brussels
            Blame your shit governments, its not Morocco forcing immigrants in Europe

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >What frick are you talking about?
            That anon is right, it could be a legal loophole but Western Sahara is still a Spanish colony, according to the UN. The fact that Spain has zero control over it doesn't change a shit about the international law.

            >If you mean Ceuta and Melilla, well that is what happens when you help enemies of Morocco like the Sahrawi seperarist movement
            That's fricking irrelevant, Morocco uses China-like tactics to claim territories they never held control. Hell, they even claim the canaries as their own.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Hell, they even claim the canaries as their own.
            Based. Probably because they "discovered" the islands before the Spanish. Granted that really means nothing since they both knew of them well before Spain colonised them and muttified the Guanches.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Western Sahara is still a Spanish colony, according to the UN
            They literally ceded control in 1975 because the UN and US pressured them to do so
            >change a shit about the international law.
            U.S. already recognize it as part of Morocco, more countries are starting to do the same
            >Morocco uses China-like tactics to claim territories they never held control
            You realize this is a recent thing, right? No one, not even Morocco themselves believe they have a right to Ceuta and Melilla. It is simple retialation for what Spain did so its not irrelevant

            >Hell, they even claim the canaries as their own.
            Based. Probably because they "discovered" the islands before the Spanish. Granted that really means nothing since they both knew of them well before Spain colonised them and muttified the Guanches.

            Canaries were never a part of Morocco. The fricking Balearics have more history and actual rule from Morocco than the Canaries

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Canaries were never a part of Morocco. The fricking Balearics have more history and actual rule from Morocco than the Canaries
            I never said they were. I was just speculating as to why the Moroccans claim them.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Name a territory that China claims but never controlled.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The islands of the South China Sea, obviously. Granted, they do control some of them today, but far from all of them.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Morocco doesn't have gas moron. They had a pipeline that originated in Algeria and ended up in Spain, but it was never their gas. Algeria has been supplying gas to Spain for decades (since our politicians either demolished or sold off our nuclear plants) and nothing there has changed. Not sure what you're getting at tbh
            >What business?
            Food mostly, one that doesn't have to follow any of the EU mandated "safety regulations" or pay any of the workers "minimum wage". All of this while the EU fines and closes down European farms for a fraction (if any) of those infringements. Theres also dozens of factories of (mostly french) car manufacturers, much like in Turkey.
            [...]
            Are you moronic? Western Sahara was a sovereign Spanish province up till 1975, when a rogue american elite in conjunction with Morocco decided to force Spain's hand using civilians as meat shields, turning it into a situation where resistence would mean thousands of dead civilians.
            >they relinquished control
            We haven't moron. At least not formally. The fact that the Moroccan king is trying to invade the region doesn't automatically make it yours, that's a very stupid way to think. As another anon said, the international law is clear: western Sahara is a Spanish colony, and under Spanish protection and sovereignty. I don't see what's complicated about this.
            >https://apnews.com/article/spain-government-and-politics-africa-europe-7b6b5ebdfecd96ccc7754b4ba6dcc321
            This is from 2021, while Morocco has been employing the tactics I named earlier since 1975. Nice try moron.

            cont...

            Oh, and by far my favourite part of that entirely braindead sentence
            >that is what happens when you help enemies of Morocco like the Sahrawi seperarist movement
            Damn, this is some strong endogamy right here. How can Spain help western Saharan terrorists secede from Morocco, when western Sahara is Spanish, the Saharawi were bombing the Spanish troops for years with hundreds of casualties, all while Morocco was attempting to invade sovereign land against international law? I don't know how you can analyse the situation and come to such an absurd conclusion.
            >Blame your shit governments
            I explicitly did. Are you illiterate?
            >its not Morocco forcing immigrants in Europe
            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
            Did you miss the part where the Moroccan government sent fake news on the radio claiming Messi or Ronaldo were going to play a match in Ceuta, then proceeded to open their side of the border and allow over 5000 underage kids to jump into the sea and swim for Spain? If it wasn't for our police a good chunk of them would have drowned. Not sure what your definition of "forced" is tbf. Maybe you prefer the fact that the Moroccan government literally releases juvenile criminals who are about to turn 18 from the detention centers and "force" them onto boats headed for Spain?

            I can imagine most of what I wrote sounds like gibberish that I just made up. Your news probably covers it up, or maybe you just don't care. Either way, let me perform a public service and announce the following:
            Your "king" is a homosexual who gets wasted and then ridiculed on the streets of Europe like a cheap moldavian prostitute. I'm not making any of this up, you can look it up yourself, he usually performs in Paris with his other male "company".

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Spanish cities
            Mellilia & Sebta are Moroccans you stupid dig head

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Not even the local moors who live in those cities want to return to Morocco

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, Moroccans in Spain do everything they can to not be deported.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao theyve been spanish before your homosexual kingdom even came into existence

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >No? The EU and our traitor governments have given more and more geopolitical ground to Morocco
            I think that's more of a US's fault than the EU. I am sure europeans already hate arabs, while americans love them.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            see

            Youre an idiot. Morocco has been blackmailing Spain with EU (and US) consent for decades. They have broken every international law regarding exclusive economic maritime zones, invaded sovereign Spanish land (western Sahara), increased illegal immigration by 5000% as a threat in the last few years, declared the retaking of sovereign Spanish cities as part of the ""Greater Morocco"", and flooded EU markets with their slave labour produce while the fat pigs in Brussels artificially restrict Spanish exports. All of this while rearming themselves at breakneck pace with israeli and american technology.
            The war in Ukraine is insignificant to Spanish interests and the wellbeing of the country. The reason we suffer is due to our politicians, who all serve german and american interests, not Putin.

            The EU is quite happy to set up their businesses in Morocco and generate stupidly big profits while flooding european markets with slave produce. Theres a reason every EU country is pushing and terrorising local euro farmers, the fat eurobeaurocrats have realised that the average european farmer is a threat to their bottom line (or the bottom lines of the businesses that bought them out). Theres a reason why every EU country is taxing and restricting farmers to death.
            Im sure this is also a big part of why the EU continues to tolerate Turkish aggression towards EU member states, and in that sense I empathise with the Greeks.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >The EU is quite happy to set up their businesses in Morocco
            What business? They don't even want to sell gas to the EU anymore. Even Algeria replaced them in that regard.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Morocco doesn't have gas moron. They had a pipeline that originated in Algeria and ended up in Spain, but it was never their gas. Algeria has been supplying gas to Spain for decades (since our politicians either demolished or sold off our nuclear plants) and nothing there has changed. Not sure what you're getting at tbh
            >What business?
            Food mostly, one that doesn't have to follow any of the EU mandated "safety regulations" or pay any of the workers "minimum wage". All of this while the EU fines and closes down European farms for a fraction (if any) of those infringements. Theres also dozens of factories of (mostly french) car manufacturers, much like in Turkey.

            >western sahara
            >sovereign spanish land
            What frick are you talking about? That isn't a part of Spain anymore, they relinquished control.
            >declared the retaking of sovereign Spanish cities
            If you mean Ceuta and Melilla, well that is what happens when you help enemies of Morocco like the Sahrawi seperarist movement. Hypocritical of them really since they shut down Catalan seperatiom at the same time
            https://apnews.com/article/spain-government-and-politics-africa-europe-7b6b5ebdfecd96ccc7754b4ba6dcc321
            >flooded EU markets with their slave labour produce while the fat pigs in Brussels
            Blame your shit governments, its not Morocco forcing immigrants in Europe

            Are you moronic? Western Sahara was a sovereign Spanish province up till 1975, when a rogue american elite in conjunction with Morocco decided to force Spain's hand using civilians as meat shields, turning it into a situation where resistence would mean thousands of dead civilians.
            >they relinquished control
            We haven't moron. At least not formally. The fact that the Moroccan king is trying to invade the region doesn't automatically make it yours, that's a very stupid way to think. As another anon said, the international law is clear: western Sahara is a Spanish colony, and under Spanish protection and sovereignty. I don't see what's complicated about this.
            >https://apnews.com/article/spain-government-and-politics-africa-europe-7b6b5ebdfecd96ccc7754b4ba6dcc321
            This is from 2021, while Morocco has been employing the tactics I named earlier since 1975. Nice try moron.

            cont...

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Spanish province up till 1975
            That is what I said before.
            >when a rogue american elite in conjunction with Morocco decided to force Spain's hand
            Not just America and Morocco, UN was also asking Spain to frick off from WS. It was all apart of decolonization effort.
            >turning it into a situation where resistence
            Green March was a bit extreme but so was Gandhi's salt march.
            >We haven't moron.
            You literally did you moron. You even stated that it was no longer a Spanish province. No country on earth recognizes WS as part of Spain and no orginization does either. In 1975, control was given to Morocco and Mauritania which was the result of the inevitability of decolonization.
            >doesn't automatically make it
            The invasion never resulted in any conquest or violence, it was a protest.
            >western Sahara is a Spanish colony
            WAS a Spanish colony. Why is WS any different from the other places Spain gave independence to?
            >while Morocco has been employing the tactics I named earlier since 1975.
            Hardly. This Ceuta and Melilla issue was an escalation not seen in a long time.
            >when western Sahara is Spanish
            See above. It isn't Spanish.
            >while Morocco was attempting to invade sovereign land
            Nonviolent invasion and there was already pressure for Spain to give up WS.
            >I don't know how you can analyse
            And it seems like you don't know anything about cause and effect. The fact of the matter is that Brahim Ghali's hospitalization angered Morocco which led to an unprecedented amount of migrants flooding those Spanish cities
            https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210722-more-than-230-migrants-enter-spain-s-melilla-enclave-from-morocco
            >Did you miss the part
            I'm not talking about Ceuta and Melilla in this case moron, I am talking about migration into Europe which are the fault of those government's for accepting them.
            >I can imagine most of what I wrote sounds like gibberish that I just made up.
            All you typed was a bunch of nonsensical seethe and lies.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >lies
            Anon, the king of morocco is a confirmed homosexual, everyone knows. Nta btw.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        France, maybe. Germany? Italy? Those are great places and are on par with Spain if not better. U.K is by far the biggest shithole in Western Europe though

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This map is horribly wrong just looking at the biggest country on the map lmao

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reforms of military doctrine, financial restructuring and a concerted effort by the northern states, led by the Netherlands to dissolve the medieval system of power.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Spaniards viewed by Germans :

    >"In his later book Geografía y Etnografía Antiguas de la Península Ibérica (1959), he insists on this ethnoracial construct: In the south, the Straits of Gibraltar do not so much separate Spain from North Africa as they link them, and it is for that reason that it (Spain) receives its primitive population from it, whose passive and uncultivated character has been decisive in the cultural evolution of Spain. He also insisted on the proverbial saying that “Africa starts at the Pyrenees.” For him, the Phoenicians contributed only material goods,while the Carthaginian influence (coming from North Africa) was even more pernicious. The Iberians, were, then, “kinsmen of the Berbers” and as such “incapable of culture.”

    Schulten et al. 1959: 49-54, 60.

    >"The Spaniard's bad side is that he does not learn from foreigners; that he does not travel in order to get acquainted with other nations; that he is centuries behind in the sciences. He resists any reform; he is proud of not having to work; he is of a romantic quality of spirit, as the bullfight shows; he is cruel, as the former autodafé shows; and he displays in his taste an origin that is partly non-European."

    Viewed by anglos :

    >In his book, Ripley also proposed the idea that “Africa begins beyond the Pyrenees”, as he wrote in page 272 :

    >” Beyond the Pyrenees begins Africa. Once that natural barrier is crossed, the Mediterranean racial type in all its purity confronts us. The human phenomena is entirely parallel with the sudden transition to the flora and fauna of the south. The Iberian population thus isolated from the rest of Europe, are allied in all important anthropological respects with the peoples inhabiting Africa north of the Sahara, from the Red Sea to the Atlantic.”

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This just reeks of autism and propaganda

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It was.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Few countries have been as thoroughly JUST'd as Spain since the War of the Spanish Succession.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Spain couldn’t support population growth in its homeland since it’s such an arid shithole

    France was the biggest population for ages, then Germany

    Britain was a massive population but needed foreign food shipments to maintain

    Spain never had a huge population

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why did germs breed so much? Was it to employ zerg rush against much smaller slavic nations?

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ayumayyad pozzing

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The Talibans killed homosexuals in the region controled, the only reason Bacha bazi was ever thing in the first place is because of Western influence. Homosexuality has been banned in the entirety of Afghanistan now that Talibans successfully defeated the Americans and their puppet government.

    There's nothing wrong with using asymetric warfare against a numerically and technologically superior foe. Only a fool would bring a knife at a gun fight.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Muh Western influences
      Its eastoids that are naturally gays and effeminate
      Not us, all the shit you see in the West is eastern subversion (israelites)

      And talibans also lost in asymetric warfare too, in symetrical they would have been butchered

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Anyone looking at a map about LGBT rights can see that homosexuality is a Western disease that spreads to westernized nations but fail to contamine Islamic countries.

        Talibans won the war through both asymmetric warfare during the American occupation and symmetric warfare during the battle of Kabul. They wouldn't be the ones ruling Afghanistan today if they didn't.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          LGBT Rights in western countries are legalised by eastoid cucks like who are in power (israelites) its israelites who are legalising all this pozzed shit, if they werent there, the West would have been normal like before

          Also you comparing a religion and the West you moron
          Doesnt make sense
          Im comparing the West and eastoids like you

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How are you not ashamed to put all the blame on cucks and none on the westoids themselves

            Westoids elected israelites, there's a reason why israelites only succeed in the west, it's because westoids are just a form of israelite

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao LGBT BLM is exclusively western led by USA

        Even Eastern Europe which has just a bit of Eastern influence does not want those movements

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Whenever there's an anti-Spain poster it is always some sudaca, nafri or a self hating catacuck.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      And the BASED SPAIN posters are indios posting from Peru

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >be Peruvian
        >be pic

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Tfw no qt cokehead fascist gf

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I prefer the 2D variant

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Looks like one of those dress up flash games

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >be Peruvian
            >be pic

            Do you think she visits here

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            She's too bussy whoring herself in insta

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty sure she’s been banned from everywhere

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >The crown had a lot of money
    >"Yo.. we wuz ricos n' shit"

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    19th century was a nightmare for Spain

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They were forced to leave the american realists to rot, and the creolles in the hands of psychos like Bolivar

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >from one of the main centers of wealth, knowledge, and civilization
    Still is. Spanish is one of the fastest growing languages in the world, and more and more people are starting to learn it for many reasons. The Hispanosphere is quickly growing.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Maltese is basically a Catalan dialect thanks to Aragonese expansionism along the mediterranean. I don't think Iberia was any more backwards than France for that matter

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No it’s not lol. Maltese is pretty much Arab with some Sicilian

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        there's thousands of Catalan words in Maltese, more than any italic language. And yes I know it's a semitic language, it was a little exaggeration joke.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Source?

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It became irrelevant intellectually and culturally when they expelled the only people with an IQ above 90

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >when they expelled the only people with an IQ above 90
      I think you got it backwards

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What resources do they have? Look at the geography.
    Stop being moronic.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The buthurt that a single nation produces is so impossible to believe...
    From Nafris, to Anglos, to Sudacas, to random snowhomies. Literally rent free forever.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's not easy being the first global empire.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That's title goes to portugal

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot israelites and protestants.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      very true

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    they were blessed by PoC overlords (black and brown Moors) who taught them how to be civilized.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    karma for creating spics

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If the Carlists won in the 1800s Spain would be a much better place

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    they lost their empire that's what happened

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They did it. The best of the Spanish Bourbons, Charles III, was only comparable to the worse of the Spanish Habsbourgs, Charles II. Economically greatest deflation and reforms of Spanish economy happened during Charles II period, also the recovery of economic production used then by Bourbons who demonized the Habsbourgs while used the Spanish treasury to pay for the failed military campaigns of France, a country to which they were loyal until the French Revolution when they ended as a rootless Dinasty.

    Not to mention that it was a period in which the elite distanced from the plebs, if during the Habsbourg period there was a great familiarity between the elites and the commoners, under the Bourbons these relations between elites and commoners broke since a new elite of pompous rogues (once purged the previous political class after the War of the Spanish Succession) who despised their own nation and only aspired to join the oligarchic degenerate rococo and neoclassical courts of the time.

    The Baroque Spanish literary, poetic, artistic, religious and theological production, so highly productive and popular during the two centuries of Habsburg rule, died with the Bourbons and their dead and flat Enlightenment culture only capable of generating utopian ideas of genocidal potential. Tell me a single work from the Bourbon century comparable to Don Quixote, the Fable of Polyphemus and Galatea, the Araucana, The Ascent of Mount Carmel, etc. There is none because the Bourbons censored literary production following the path of French Absoutism in a poor quality version.

    Many universities in Spain suffered an enormous decline, the Jesuits were abolished and hunted down while their educational centers were closed, let us remember that the Jesuits were the innate intellectual force of the Catholic Church, the architectural production declined, compare everything built in Peru, or Mexico in previous centuries to what was done during the absolutist century of the Bourbons.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >The best of the Spanish Bourbons, Charles III, was only comparable to the worse of the Spanish Habsbourgs, Charles II
      The Spanish Habsbourgs were mid tier at best. The Trastamara were the last Spanish dynasty worth a shit.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >The Balti were the last Spanish dynasty worth a shit.
        FTFY
        Ever since Visigothic Spain descended into anarchy with the fall of the Balti Spain has been a shitshow.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, the Ximena, Burgundians (Castilians), the other Burgundians (Portuguese) and Barcelonids (Aragon) were top tier dynasties.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Just some thing, Spanish Habsbourgs were mixed with Trastamara dinasty, Charles I himself was the son of Joanna of Castile. During Habsbourg period Spain reached its peak

        >Conquest of the New World and mass scale urbanism not seen by any empire before and after, around 700 cities built just in16th century alongside Cathedrals, churches, schools, seminaries, forts, city-walls, ports and universities with refined baroque style and expensive materials (something that stopped with Bourbons)
        >Spanish Golden Age of arts and literature, that literally ended right after the first Bourbon reached power (purge of scholars, artists and basically all previous anti-Bourbon/French political elite)
        >constant exploring and mapping expeditions during Habsbourgs just ended with Bourbons.

        Even Charles II reached the greatest deflation, economic recovery and the restructuring of the treasury in Spanish history, a recovery attributed to the Bourbons in a brazen episode of demonizing propaganda against the previous regime attributing to themselves the achievements of the ministers of Charles II, all that recovery of the Spanish treasury was certainly used later by the Spanish Bourbons to economically support the campaigns of French Bourbons across Europe.

        I don't personally hate current Bourbons since they aren't really that linked to their ancestors deeds at 18th century but their dynasty represents all the ills that have plagued Spanish society (and Hispano-American societies as well) since Charles II died.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It's funny because the last time Spain didn't had neither Bourbons and frenchfied liberal elites at power, aka. Franco dictatorship, it became eight economic world power without a Marshall Plan and other gibs. Then Franco died an Bourbons and frenchfied liberal elites returned to power and destroyed (again) Spain plus turned it into a German colony via EU.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Franco's fault for falling for monarchy meme. Should of followed Jose Antonios vision

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Franco's fault for falling for monarchy
            He didn't, Franco's real succesor, Carrero Blanco, was murdered by CIA and ETA cooperation, Franco never liked at all the Bourbons.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He always intended to restore the monarchy. Implying the CIA is complicit in assassinating Carrero is moronic, especially when DC worrying about Spain going leftist after the Portuguese Coup

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >He always intended to restore the monarchy.
            He wanted Otto of Habsbourg as king but he declined the petition since he didn't felt prepared for such task of being king.
            It's obvious that CIA collaborated with ETA, by default the US just wanted Spain to join EU since Franco had begun to fix relations with the USSR during the 60s, they could not kill Franco but they were able to murder the successor of Franco in command of the dictatorship, Carrero Blanco.
            The Bourbon in exchange turned Spain into a "democracy", allowed of the outlaws (affiliated with the republicans and liberalism) abroad to return, the majority as refugees in Mexico and France, allowed a party made in the likeness of (and with capital from) the SPD to take power, destroy Spanish industry and force Spain into the EU.
            Franco's greatest sorrow was not having been able to find a capable and trustworthy successor after the assassination of Carrero Blanco.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Franco's greatest sorrow was not having been able to find a capable and trustworthy successor after the assassination of Carrero Blanco.
            There was also Alfonso, the Duke of Anjou, which was Franco's grandson-in-law.
            He was a Bourbon but from another branch.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >He was a Bourbon but from another branch.
            He and Juan Carlos were fricking cousins, the Carlist claimant would have been another branch.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >He and Juan Carlos were fricking cousins
            Huh, that's what a branch means.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            homosexual disgusting Bourbon. Not valid for king nowhere.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't make sense that the CIA would kill him. If they did they wouldn't even hide it anymore as it would be viewed as a good thing by almost every western government.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They collaborated with terrorists which is still a big no no

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Lol Franco was literally in the CIA's pocket. The sole reason they let Nazi-Germany pseudo-allies Spain and Portugal continue after the war was that they agreed to become communist bashing b***h boys for the West.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >was that they agreed to become communist bashing b***h boys
            You mean doing exactly the same thing he has been doing since the start? Franco killed commies since day one.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            And the West loved him for it. They loved Hitler too. The only reason Nazism became "bad" to the Rich and Powerful was because it attacked everyone in Europe instead of just the Left.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Carrero Blanco was assassinated in 1973 you imbecile

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >it became eight economic world power without a Marshall Plan
            Probably because Spain wasn't impacted nearly as much by WW2 as the rest of Europe

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They experienced a nearly 4 year civil war that destroyed the country.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Which was bad but compared to WW2?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            In a WW you basically fight against foreigners and invaders.
            In a Civil War you fight against your neighbors and brothers. All of them destroying every single village and house. And after it the hate is much more intense since winners and losers, murderers and murdered still live in the same place.

            Dictatorships are bigger memes

            We live in dictatorships in Western Europe. Infinitely worst than light dictatorship like the Franco one. At least Franco wanted the best for his country. Today´s dictatorship´s are sold as "democracies" to fool morons and always go against the majorities.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            russia wa sless developed from the start and fought both world wars and an obscenely brutal civil war in between, ll while committing several different domestic genocides

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I'm not happy about the current state of democracies either. Western European governments are clueless about the needs of their citizens

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Franco slowly but surely became a key US ally after the war. Foreign investments poured in. Kinda like Turkey.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Conquest of the New World and mass scale urbanism not seen by any empire before and after
          The conquest of America was done in the Catholic Monarchs era and the urbanization was already in process thanks to the merchant class and the guilds. And if any, Charles I put a stop to that at fighting the Comunero Revolts, which were a lot of these people who accused the king of benefiting the flemish merchants instead of them.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Same reason why Britain and even USA are becoming irrevelant too, They lost their Empire and influence.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      USA never had an empire per se, but it has a lot of soft power.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If you think the USA is even close to becoming irrelevant, you are a literal idiot and should stop posting.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Pizarro broke them with excess gold... mansa musas effect on egypt as well

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    heavy reliance on colonialism, they had virtually no investment in domestic infrastructure or industry. the moment they inevitably hit a weak point and lost control of their colonies they lost everything. not even being a European power spared both world wars could save them

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >heavy reliance on colonialism
      Spain had viceroyalties, not colonies.

      >they had virtually no investment in domestic infrastructure or industry
      We had, brits and frogs destroyed all factories during napoleonic wars.

      >.the moment they inevitably hit a weak point and lost control of their colonies they lost everything
      They were viceroyalties and it needed of british soldiers for the rebellions having success even with the mainland ruined by Napoleon.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Spain had viceroyalties
        even worse

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The fricking learn the difference. You stupid dumbass, the dutch had colonies, the portuguese had colonies, the french had colonies, the british had colonies (at least prior to haitian and american independence when the colonial model show itself totally outdated, medieval). Spain had viceroyalties, new worlders were subject to the same laws as the peninsular Spaniards, they paid the same taxes as the peninsular Spaniards, they were subject to the same penalties as the peninsular Spaniards. Only some privileged tribes and ethnic groups lived on the margins for their performance in the conquest.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            i literally just acknowledged that i know the difference you fricking dumb ass beaner

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You don't, lmfao
            "heavy reliance on colonialism"
            what historiographical ignorance can do.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            yes i know the difference, and what Spain did absolutely fits the definition of colonialism lmao, you are fricking stupid it hurts, too much shitkin DNA

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It does not, again your ignorance about history and your semantic poverty come to the fore trying to force a personal ignorance to historical facts.
            A colony is an entity totally dependent on the metropolis that is made up exclusively of inhabitants of the metropolis (settlers), who create a world apart from the displaced or conquered cultures.
            Fricking learn to read you illiterate ignorant bumpkin.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            And the worse part is that these morons speak about viceroyalties as if they were something unique of the oversea Spain but Spanish territories in Europe were also viceroyalties. Here is the list of viceroyalties in the mainland.

            Viceroyalty of Galicia
            Viceroyalty of Aragon
            Viceroyalty of Catalonia
            Viceroyalty of Valencia
            Viceroyalty of Majorca
            Viceroyalty of Navarre
            Viceroyalty of Portugal
            Viceroyalty of Sicily
            Viceroyalty of Sardinia
            Viceroyalty of Naples

            The funfact is that catalonian rebellion against Spain during 30th years war started with the assassination of the viceroy of Catalonia during the Corpus de Sang.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >We had, brits and frogs destroyed all factories during napoleonic wars.
        This is cope

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          We also had monopoly of exotic new world products, even with a dynasty as disastrous as the Bourbons, the Spanish empire simply had an infrastructure that worked very well. Thats why to expel brits from Argentina just local militia was enough. It took Napoleon, the British and 30 years of civil war in both Spain and America to bring it down.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Gold/silver inflation fricked them up. While they were initially very wealthy, poor economical decisions caused their downfall. Napoleon was the final nail in the coffin however

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You are stupid

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Read about it you moron. The empire had an inflation problem.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Solved by Charles II you stupid mental invalid, you know nothing about Spanish empire history, neither from the lifestyle of it citizens to the economic life.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_revolution
            Its slightly exaggerated but the inflation absolutely affected the empire. Everyone knows this

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It affected during very specific period, people and empire still worked (in fact it lasted 4 centuries) lmfao, its not like France and England didn't had them during XVIII due to their warmonger attitude around Europe. Its all pure propaganda rethoric typically used to defame a rival powers, trying to portrait it as weak, the equivalent of "2 weeks more" of the time.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            15th-17th century isn't a "very specific period" and the damage was already done by then. France and England still came out with stronger economies whereas Spain spiraled downwards in the 18th century

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >France and England still came out with stronger economies
            *laughs in English and French revolutions*

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            *laughs in Napoleonic wars*

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >15th-17th century isn't a "very specific period"

            Yes, they were very specific period you stupid moron. Spain was cappable to afford palaces, cathedrals, new fleets and armies, to build 700 cities while french, brits and dutch starved to death in North America while were barely able to build cities.
            And to remind, unlike Spain, french bankrupt was so hard it ended with the kings losing their heads.

            >France and England still came out with stronger economies

            So strong you lost in the Caribbean and North America so you leave to move to India.
            So strong French bankrupt ended with kings losing their heads.
            So strong than prior to industrial revolution greatests ship producing ports were in Spain.
            So strong that greatest company on the continent with fully insured profits were not in London or Paris, but in Seville, the House of Trade of the Indies, in which the same Voltaire who criticized Spain so much had many investments because the profits were insured by the ever-growing Spanish market.
            So strong that Humboldt considered New World viceroyalties as richer than the US and most of european nations at the time.
            So strong that in less than 30 years the Spanish fleet built some 77 ships of the lines, second largest fleet at the time, right after the destruction of spanish fleet in the war of the triple alliance and the war of the 7 years.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Yes, they were very specific period you stupid moron.
            Its a span of hundreds of years moron
            >Spain was cappable to afford palaces, cathedrals, new fleets and armies, to build 700 cities
            I already mentioned they were wealthy yes but in the end, all that wealth did nothing for them. Their colonies became independent and they never invested much in their own home country. The only thing all the gold did was ruin their economy and pulled them in pointless wars
            >while french, brits and dutch starved to death in North America
            There was plenty of development in North America
            >french bankrupt was so hard it ended with the kings losing their heads.
            As opposed to the Spanish who got fricked over by debt and their monarchy became irrelevant shit?
            >so strong
            Not reading your copes. Spain lost the Dutch revolt and fought a losing war to keep Portugal. The greatest ship ports and yet their armada got BTFO. The richest and first modern company in the world was the VOC, not in Spain

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Its a span of hundreds of years moron
            Inflation was solved, spanish gold coin was the main currency until 1840s when the pound replaced it, the greatest market at the time was investing in Spanish American provinces (and so much was your desperation to trade there that you resorted to smuggling)

            >I already mentioned they were wealthy yes but in the end, all that wealth did nothing for them. Their colonies became independent and they never invested much in their own home country. The only thing all the gold did was ruin their economy and pulled them in pointless wars
            You are really moronic beyong limits, just Argentine had a similar PIB than Brazil and US at the time Humboldt visited the continent there and it wasn´t specifically the most prosperous province.

            >There was plenty of development in North America
            Shure, thats why it needed of millions of inmigrants to develop beyond the raped by indians agrarian colony it was.

            >As opposed to the Spanish who got fricked over by debt and their monarchy became irrelevant shit?
            Spain lasted from 15th century to 19th century, your empires baely lasted 1 century before dying out of existence, LMAO

            >Not reading your.
            I guess it touch the nerve so you resort to the idiot's weapon, willful ignorance..

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Inflation was solved, spanish gold coin was the main currency until 1840s when the pound replaced it,
            Because Spain was among the first global powers so their currency would last the longest. As mentioned above, the damage was already done. Spanish economy was a joke in the late 18th century.
            >was investing in Spanish American provinces (and so much was your desperation to trade there that you resorted to smuggling)
            Which led nowhere since the U.S. was the premier power of the Americas
            >just Argentine had a similar PIB than Brazil and US at the time Humboldt visited the continent there
            Argentina was the only decent colony Spain ever had as shown by their GDP and development in the 20th century
            >hats why it needed of millions of inmigrants to develop beyond the raped by indians agrarian colony it was.
            And you think this wasn't the case with Spain? English America was far more sparsely populated too and held less land
            >Spain lasted from 15th century to 19th century, your empires baely lasted 1 century before dying out of existence, LMAO
            Lmao, Spain was in its deathroes after Napoleon. No one cares about dying empires. Meanwhile, England lasted from 16th century to 20th century
            >I guess it touch the nerve so you resort to the idiot's weapon, willful ignorance..
            No. Most of what you said is irrelevant since Spain was getting humiliated left and right whereas France and England was only getting stronger

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Because Spain was among the first global powers so their currency would last the longest. As mentioned above, the damage was already done. Spanish economy was a joke in the late 18th century.

            So much you dynamited the foundries and factories of cloth, porcelain, toys, etc., taking advantage of the fact that Napoleon was reaping the lives of 10% of the Spanish population, more busy defending their country from mass scale invasion than their factories, all while the French also razed the large Andalusian crops to feed his army.
            Brits were defeated by a little argentinian miltia during 1806 invasion, this says everything about it.

            >Which led nowhere since the U.S. was the premier power of the Americas
            A totally different period from that we are discussing about.

            >Argentina was the only decent colony Spain ever had as shown by their GDP and development in the 20th century
            Argentina was an agrarian province rich ofc since most of economy around the world back then was agrarian too, most of factories were in fact in Mexico and New Granada, regions that unlike Argentina suffered more devastating war by secessionists, unlike Argentina where only 20.000 persons died, only Venezuela lost around 1/4 of its population during the extermination campaigns and the different battles that devastated the country.

            >And you think this wasn't the case with Spain? English America was far more sparsely populated too and held less land
            To remind, Latam was empty right after bloody independence wars, just Venezuela lost 1/4 of its total population, Mexico around 1.000.000 persons, burgers independence war wasn't not even as close to be as violent and bloody as those from South America.

            >Lmao, Spain was in its deathroes after Napoleon. No one cares about dying empires. Meanwhile, England lasted from 16th century to 20th century
            The thing is that Spain cant hide in an island like Britain due to land frontier so ended facing Napoleon Grande Armée at the height of its power.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >So much you dynamited the foundries
            They weren't doing so hot even before that. Napoleon was just the end
            >defeated by a little argentinian miltia during 1806 invasion
            Meh, it doesn't cause nearly as much butthurt as the falklands
            >A totally different period from that we are
            Which is my point. Spanish America went nowhere in the end
            >Latam was empty right after bloody independence wars
            Yes but that wasn't the case before hand, since Latam was densly urbanized
            >hide in an island like Britain
            Lol Brits still destroyed France at sea

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >They weren't doing so hot even before that. Napoleon was just the end
            Considering British dynamited them since it was the competence, your premise is false from the beginning.

            >Lol Brits still destroyed France at sea
            That is not difficult, even Spain had a larger and more experienced fleet than the French, France has never been a naval power and during the burger war of independence, the Spanish navy had to take charge of defending the French colonies in the Caribbean due to the inability of the French navy to do so.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            France was absolutely a naval power at that time, not as great as Spain or Britain but it was

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They had a lot of warships but sailors were inexperienced, commanders pretty the same plus fearful to face royal navy. Villeneuve himself said that they had not chance against Royal Navy, thats why he always tried to avoid battle in every occasion. Also Napoleon knew it and after Trafalgar the plan was to produce a fleet with 150 ships of the line to defeat Royal Navy in a battle of attrition, but french economy wasn't able to maintain such task.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            My fren you have the wits and humor of a true spaniard. Viva Cristo Rey

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Spain causing controversy and butthurt, nothing new below the sun.

  31. 2 years ago
    ig.eugenociderr

    charles ii 47xxy klinefeltor chromosome line now fvey 4x worse has fxs as well. 0% tolerance

  32. 2 years ago
    ig.eugenociderr

    god bless bourbon and bluntz

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This wouldn't have happened if Miguel da Paz had survived.

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    No homosexual seethe harder

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      no u

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Dont get upset and detonate yourself prematurely, my boi Abdullah

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    freemasons on the payrole of England.
    They infiltrated government and fricked everything up from inside.
    They also instigated the sedition of the american territories.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >for 1000s of years
    What years? Not even the Holy Roman Empire achieved that and they actually existed for 1000 years.

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Nobody owns the sea and those islands have always been inhabited

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      *uninhabited

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >"The rabbis placed a solemn curse on Spain when the israelites were forced to leave it. Even nonreligious, 'enlightened' israelites are wary of going to Spain. The curse, it so happens, expires this year."
    Joseph Roth, The Wandering israelites (1939)*

    *The text of the book is reproduced here:

    http://maxima-library.org/knigi/knigi/b/367872?format=read

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      So that's why Spain didn't have israelites until very recently. Very based, they should "curse" more countries.

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    death of Franco.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The decline started way before.

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