Why did people stop wearing leather oxfords or loafers with suits?
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Anonymous says:
Money, or the lack thereof.
Availability is also a big issue. I live in a 50k population city and the only places to buy shoes are Walmart and a few department stores. I’d either have to travel to another city just to buy shoes, or buy them online which I hate doing with apparel.
It’s definitely not for financial reasons. It’s called business casual. The only time you see people wearing suits and appropriate shoes are for meetings with external clients. For all other instances, people just wear whatever feels comfortable these days. In summer, some people just come in wearing polos these days.
Like most fashion atrocities of the past two decades, I blame Silicon Valley. They don’t like to dress like adults, so as a means to cope, they rebelled by putting sneakers to more formal wear and it has trickled down to the masses.
Also Boomers just giving up and opting for comfort. Which is wear much of the sneaker-dress shoe Frankenstein shoes come from.
No. Most people in even rural areas probably have access to some moderately bigger city with a chain shoe store. The dress shoe probably won’t be the best or most comfy, but it won’t be a sneaker.
Even Western stores and boot barn type stores carry some degree of formal or semi formal shoes.
most finance people I see in the city wear ugly dress sneaker hybrids or drivers. Most of them leave another pair of dress shoes at the office
leather became less available as we cleaned up the slaughterhouses and started eating more fish.
also, it was believed that plastics were the future and they were longer wearing than leather and so they were seen as better solutions to the footwear problem and leather has been reserved for the wealthy classes since and plastic has been given to everyone else.
We are headed towards a recession. People can’t be buying new oxfords every two months because the concrete grinds rubber down.
Cheap material is always going to be a nightmare to launder. Anything halfway decent: into the dry for fifteen minutes with all the other wet clothes on high heat. Hang them correctly, paying careful attention to the shoulders and collar. Top/middle/bottom buttons MINIMUM. Gently pull down to remove any apparent wrinkles and let it hang dry the rest of the way overnight. Wrinkle/iron-free shirts in the morning.
+Bonus tip: have somewhere to hang your shirt and pants near your steamy shower and bring your outfit with you in the morning.
clueless
The anglo suit meta is so hecking boring, suit or white/blue shirt with dress pants is more soulless and more NPC-core than jeans and a white tee with print
its all in the details, which 99% of office drones dont care about
Only yankoids wear this shit.
Here in the Europe people still wear leather shoes with suits
They really arent tbh
It’s definitely not for financial reasons. It’s called business casual. The only time you see people wearing suits and appropriate shoes are for meetings with external clients. For all other instances, people just wear whatever feels comfortable these days. In summer, some people just come in wearing polos these days.
t. world financial centre corporate slave
Even in business casual most people here still wear leather or suede. Yanks are just big babies
>babies
What kind of autism is this? So people should wear shit that’s uncomfortable for no other reason than to fulfil some abstract concept of a appearing manly? How does this affect you personally? Do you need everyone to dress the same so you can feel validated? Or are you what you wear will not be seen as cool anymore and everyone will make fun of you? Or are you just one of those traditional/conservative type of people who are terrified of any kind of change? Or does looking at men in oxford shoes makes you want to heck them more? Can you please explain your thought process to me?
The anglo suit meta is so hecking boring, suit or white/blue shirt with dress pants is more soulless and more NPC-core than jeans and a white tee with print
I live in Canada and leather oxfords/loafers just gets rekt from heavy rain and snow. Also hard leather is a pain to break into and they don’t grip as well as rubber.
leather became less available as we cleaned up the slaughterhouses and started eating more fish.
also, it was believed that plastics were the future and they were longer wearing than leather and so they were seen as better solutions to the footwear problem and leather has been reserved for the wealthy classes since and plastic has been given to everyone else.
>plastics were the future and they were longer wearing than leather
This is objectively false in every concoevable way. I know that’s what they pushed but damn it’s amazing anyone actually fell for it
Sneakers are comfy
Offer better back support
Cheap and can be used daily as beater shoes
Better for your toes since they don’t compress them
The only thing is that they look too sporty for business casual.
I see at least two of On Running’s shoes. They are comfortable and sub $150. They work well enough for business casual. Johnston and murphy has similar soles in a more formal look but I’m still not sold on the white soles. Also, OP, nobody in your pic is wearing a suit…
Cheap material is always going to be a nightmare to launder. Anything halfway decent: into the dry for fifteen minutes with all the other wet clothes on high heat. Hang them correctly, paying careful attention to the shoulders and collar. Top/middle/bottom buttons MINIMUM. Gently pull down to remove any apparent wrinkles and let it hang dry the rest of the way overnight. Wrinkle/iron-free shirts in the morning.
+Bonus tip: have somewhere to hang your shirt and pants near your steamy shower and bring your outfit with you in the morning.
Anyone here saying leather shoes/boots aren’t comfortable is either buying shit quality or doesn’t know how to break in leather. I have a pair of White’s Mainstream boots. It’s one of the more dressier models and can be dressed up with chinos and a blazer if needed, and they are easily the most comfortable shoes I have. The back support is far and away better than any sneaker I’ve ever owned, and they’ll last 20 years longer to boot. >pic related from straight out of the box
Because since the dotcom era, give or take, there’s been a massive slide into casual, and sneakers with a suit is "haha, look I’m well dressed but I’m also so hip and energetic and cool"
The comfiest pair of shoes in my collection are my black leather penny loafers. Better than dunks, forums, AF1s, ultraboosts, vans, oxfords and derbies.
If I was to tier them, it would probably be loafer > AF1s > UBs > derbies > oxfords > the rest of the sneakers.
Proper shoes really aren’t uncomfortable if you buy from decent brands. I had a cheap pair of shoes a few years ago that literally made my knees hurt after wearing them for 10 minutes, though.
I live in Texas so it’s not practical to wear a suit during the Summer. I still usually wear leather shoes and a dress shirt with a pattern. WTF are those sneakers they are wearing?
that looks just like my gf it’s uncanny. where did you get that drawing of her?
Anonymous says:
This pic is fabricated. There is no way. Normies wear shitty cheap/fake black leather shoes, but they are at least still leather shoes. Only about 10-20% of them wear these horrible sneaker-shoe hybrids like those.
I live in New York and if you go in to Manhattan around lunch time you’ll see massive hordes of finance/tech people dressed exactly like OP’s pic. As it gets colder you can expect to see the the addition of the dreaded Patagonia vest and later those shitty down jackets that aren’t even puffy.
its really bad right now with all the the interns returning, i always chuckle to myself at the 22 y/o’s with their ugly untucked mall shirts and low rise chinos
A chinese foreign exchange student in Berlin told me “I thought you were American when you walked into the bar, but it was confirmed when you stood to order. Americans shift there weight to one-side and euros tend to distribute it equally.” This has always stuck with me. Look at the photo. The pajeet is standing with good posture and his weight is equally balanced. STAND UP STRAIGHT YOU, DOLTS. When in public, look around. Majority of people have terrible posture and shift there weight.
in fact, even though she’s almost completely obscured, i can tell that the best-dressed person in this picture is the woman wearing bootcuts and converse on the right
Money, or the lack thereof.
Availability is also a big issue. I live in a 50k population city and the only places to buy shoes are Walmart and a few department stores. I’d either have to travel to another city just to buy shoes, or buy them online which I hate doing with apparel.
what the heck are you talking about? have you never left your home town? you do know shoes are meant to be worn more than once?
It’s definitely not for financial reasons. It’s called business casual. The only time you see people wearing suits and appropriate shoes are for meetings with external clients. For all other instances, people just wear whatever feels comfortable these days. In summer, some people just come in wearing polos these days.
t. world financial centre corporate slave
Like most fashion atrocities of the past two decades, I blame Silicon Valley. They don’t like to dress like adults, so as a means to cope, they rebelled by putting sneakers to more formal wear and it has trickled down to the masses.
Also Boomers just giving up and opting for comfort. Which is wear much of the sneaker-dress shoe Frankenstein shoes come from.
No. Most people in even rural areas probably have access to some moderately bigger city with a chain shoe store. The dress shoe probably won’t be the best or most comfy, but it won’t be a sneaker.
Even Western stores and boot barn type stores carry some degree of formal or semi formal shoes.
>Semi-rural Alabamian.
>Alabamian
You can get oxfords for 60 bucks if you know your brand
most finance people I see in the city wear ugly dress sneaker hybrids or drivers. Most of them leave another pair of dress shoes at the office
clueless
its all in the details, which 99% of office drones dont care about
They’re there to earn money and go home eat and fap. Maybe do coke on the weekend if they’re lucky
They don’t care about high school Instagram fashion flex lmao
These are plebs, not all the people.
They’re uncomfortable. Most people have worn sneakers their whole life and their baby like feet can take it.
Only yankoids wear this shit.
Here in the Europe people still wear leather shoes with suits
They really arent tbh
Even in business casual most people here still wear leather or suede. Yanks are just big babies
I see this all the time in germany
>babies
What kind of autism is this? So people should wear shit that’s uncomfortable for no other reason than to fulfil some abstract concept of a appearing manly? How does this affect you personally? Do you need everyone to dress the same so you can feel validated? Or are you what you wear will not be seen as cool anymore and everyone will make fun of you? Or are you just one of those traditional/conservative type of people who are terrified of any kind of change? Or does looking at men in oxford shoes makes you want to heck them more? Can you please explain your thought process to me?
The anglo suit meta is so hecking boring, suit or white/blue shirt with dress pants is more soulless and more NPC-core than jeans and a white tee with print
THIS, is what I thought this post was going to be about, but not wearing proper shoes was a bigger cocern
I live in Canada and leather oxfords/loafers just gets rekt from heavy rain and snow. Also hard leather is a pain to break into and they don’t grip as well as rubber.
Sneakers are more advanced ‘tech’ and simply better shoes.
They didn’t, I don’t know how the heck that picture happened but it doesn’t represent reality
leather became less available as we cleaned up the slaughterhouses and started eating more fish.
also, it was believed that plastics were the future and they were longer wearing than leather and so they were seen as better solutions to the footwear problem and leather has been reserved for the wealthy classes since and plastic has been given to everyone else.
>plastics were the future and they were longer wearing than leather
This is objectively false in every concoevable way. I know that’s what they pushed but damn it’s amazing anyone actually fell for it
Sneakers are comfy
Offer better back support
Cheap and can be used daily as beater shoes
Better for your toes since they don’t compress them
The only thing is that they look too sporty for business casual.
>back support
lose weight and go to the gym before it’s too late you fat american
We are headed towards a recession. People can’t be buying new oxfords every two months because the concrete grinds rubber down.
bait
>rubber
You know how I know you are a pleb?
Would it be immoral to wear cowboy boots
I think some people do it in the southwest but if you’re a northerner you’ll probably look like a larper. Up to you though
I see at least two of On Running’s shoes. They are comfortable and sub $150. They work well enough for business casual. Johnston and murphy has similar soles in a more formal look but I’m still not sold on the white soles. Also, OP, nobody in your pic is wearing a suit…
I hate ironing shirts
I hate ironing shirts
Cheap material is always going to be a nightmare to launder. Anything halfway decent: into the dry for fifteen minutes with all the other wet clothes on high heat. Hang them correctly, paying careful attention to the shoulders and collar. Top/middle/bottom buttons MINIMUM. Gently pull down to remove any apparent wrinkles and let it hang dry the rest of the way overnight. Wrinkle/iron-free shirts in the morning.
+Bonus tip: have somewhere to hang your shirt and pants near your steamy shower and bring your outfit with you in the morning.
If you have nice clothes you shouldn’t be putting them into a dryer
did you just tell him to put dress shirts in the tumble dryer
I never iron shirts. If you hang dry there is literally 0 reason too. And I wear shirts like 5 times a week (and none of them are non-iron fabric)
Anyone here saying leather shoes/boots aren’t comfortable is either buying shit quality or doesn’t know how to break in leather. I have a pair of White’s Mainstream boots. It’s one of the more dressier models and can be dressed up with chinos and a blazer if needed, and they are easily the most comfortable shoes I have. The back support is far and away better than any sneaker I’ve ever owned, and they’ll last 20 years longer to boot.
>pic related from straight out of the box
those look ugly as heck
I mean yeah they don’t have laces and look completely off. Here’s what they look like laced up, too lazy to take a new pic
They’re very boring.
Haha sorry they’re not flamboyant enough for you, tasteless homosexual
not our fault you’re so out of fashion you need to pick up evergreen trends from 70 hecking years ago to clean up well.
you’re actually stupid and gay
Nah, they’re classy af moron, don’t hate.
Casual Fridays is the reason
And leather soled shoes have no traction on snow and ice
Because since the dotcom era, give or take, there’s been a massive slide into casual, and sneakers with a suit is "haha, look I’m well dressed but I’m also so hip and energetic and cool"
Because they look disgusting, are horribly uncomfortable and you look like literally everyone else in line on their way to the divorce lawyer.
Povvo spotted. Get back in your tent
Ignorance, they don’t even know what an Oxford is.
Why bother wearing uncomfortable footwear at the job that is shitty already? To make your day even worse?
The comfiest pair of shoes in my collection are my black leather penny loafers. Better than dunks, forums, AF1s, ultraboosts, vans, oxfords and derbies.
If I was to tier them, it would probably be loafer > AF1s > UBs > derbies > oxfords > the rest of the sneakers.
Proper shoes really aren’t uncomfortable if you buy from decent brands. I had a cheap pair of shoes a few years ago that literally made my knees hurt after wearing them for 10 minutes, though.
Wages are lower than previous generations.
Unless my office pay me an extra for dress costs or whatever, i dress barely decent.
As for shoes, i value my feet more than my job. I’d rather keep healthy feet.
I live in Texas so it’s not practical to wear a suit during the Summer. I still usually wear leather shoes and a dress shirt with a pattern. WTF are those sneakers they are wearing?
Try a 100% linen suit!
it impedes airflow across the skin which, in texas, in the summer, means death
As opposed to what, being naked? Graphic tee and cargo shorts?
I live on the lake for a reason
that looks just like my gf it’s uncanny. where did you get that drawing of her?
This pic is fabricated. There is no way. Normies wear shitty cheap/fake black leather shoes, but they are at least still leather shoes. Only about 10-20% of them wear these horrible sneaker-shoe hybrids like those.
I live in New York and if you go in to Manhattan around lunch time you’ll see massive hordes of finance/tech people dressed exactly like OP’s pic. As it gets colder you can expect to see the the addition of the dreaded Patagonia vest and later those shitty down jackets that aren’t even puffy.
its really bad right now with all the the interns returning, i always chuckle to myself at the 22 y/o’s with their ugly untucked mall shirts and low rise chinos
Poor people often work in uncarpeted environments thus ruining their shoes.
Oxfords are not meant to be worn with rubber.
That commoner shit.
A chinese foreign exchange student in Berlin told me “I thought you were American when you walked into the bar, but it was confirmed when you stood to order. Americans shift there weight to one-side and euros tend to distribute it equally.” This has always stuck with me. Look at the photo. The pajeet is standing with good posture and his weight is equally balanced. STAND UP STRAIGHT YOU, DOLTS. When in public, look around. Majority of people have terrible posture and shift there weight.
why wear ~~*leather*~~ shoes when they last just as long as chuck taylors
china strikes again
those men look like they can’t decide whether they want to look like a call centre manager or a london knife-crimer.
in fact, even though she’s almost completely obscured, i can tell that the best-dressed person in this picture is the woman wearing bootcuts and converse on the right
>why are programmers so badly dressed
Exacly the point.