Why did he place the tree and the talking snake in eden with the full knowledge of what will happen?
Why did he place the tree and the talking snake in eden with the full knowledge of what will happen?
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Because He wasn't interested in playing dolls with soulless automatons, He wants a REAL relationship with His creations in a world with actual consequences.
how can it be interesting to him if he already knows what will happen and knows which "humans" are going to hell
He only knows because he's already there when it happens. C.S. Lewis explains God's eternity very well.
Why do you follow someone who referred to himself as the Philomastix?
Because he's God and we owe our existence and everything in it to him.
I was talking about Mr. Lewis who called himself the "whip-lover."
so he cant see something unless he's there? He has no knowledge of the future without him being there? Sounds like a limitation to me and thus he is not omnipotent
So, you're saying God was just a delusional /a/non.
i used to hate these threads, but reading this shit just makes me smile now
>when you close your mind for good
stop thinking so much
he's a messy bitch that loves drama
he is beyond logic, like my ex-wife
Obviously He wanted it to happen. You couldn't figure it out?
why would a perfect being decide at some point to create reality? If he would be perfect why would he have any reason to change his mind
His perfection entails that it 'overflows' from Him; He wouldn't have been perfect if creation didn't overflow from Him. These are basic considerations really. You should read Plotinus.
why didnt it start overflowing from the beginning of his existence? There was a period of time where there was no overflowing and then he decided suddenly to start overflowing. Or are you saying his creation is as timeless as himself? That they both started at the same time?
The overflowing "happened" prior to the existence of time. Time only originates after the material world comes into existence.
so who was first then, god or existence? If you say god then did existence appear overflowing the moment he started existing? Or did he always exist and at some point he started overflowing
First there was the One—whom we call God. He is above existence. His perfection entails that goodness overflows from Him, and such leads to the birth of the Intellect. Existence or Being is the result of the contemplation of the Intellect. Absolute Oneness and simplicity of God means that he is above existence.
Not really. All of it is rigorously and systematically delineated in the Enneads of Plotinus. If you are incapable of understanding it, it only conveys your own lack of education or intellectual capacity.
you simply cannot prove that god is real
Filtered. So sorry!
I said God is above existence. Properly speaking, He doesn't "exist", but existence comes from Him (through the Intellect).
Okay but when did existence start overflowing from God?
There is no "when" in speaking about such matters. I said time originates with the material world, and these things precede time, that is, they precede time logically (not temporally).
Then why did he need to take a break on the 7th day if existence is overflowing from him? how can god even be tired?
Obviously these stories are illustrative of higher truths and are not to be taken literally. If you took it literally I'm afraid you might be a pleb.
so if the bible is just a book of metaphors that can be interpreted as you want what makes it any different from postmodernism?
It cannot be interpreted by just anyone. Only those who are appointed by God know its true meanings.
let me guess, the ones appointed by God are only a certain few elites from your cult?
>Filtered. So sorry!
>Properly speaking, He doesn't "exist"
>Properly speaking, He doesn't "exist"
Yes but it is not exclusive to them. By living a life of asceticism and worship, the heart becomes purified and thus able to penetrate deep into its inner meanings.
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can I do it without being part of the cult?
It is possible, yes, but it requires exceptional spiritual talent.
Cont. Not to mention the immense devotion and dedication to God that is required for such endeavors.
Oh yeah I heard about this ability to penetrate deep inside children asses common in every organized religion
It seems more like satan has penetrated deep into your being. As far as I know it is catholic priests who molested children, it is by no means a vice to be projected to religions in general. Catholicism and Christianity are false anyway. Look elsewhere.
The rejection of a falsehood doesn't mean that you go and find another falsehood. As I said, start with the Greeks (Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus). Maybe you would get to the rest later if you don't become filtered in the midst of it.
Why would I waste my precious energy?
>Why would I waste my precious energy?
because i told you so, me, an agent of Satan, commands you to waste your precious energy, and to be revealed as a hypocrite and an animal for eternity
go jerk off dude, you're overdue
This is a weak thread. I'd usually chime in with some deep refutations but there aren't even any real claims here to address.
>God is my brain so 'He' exists
yeah ok dumb-dumb
>Yes but it is not exclusive to them. By living a life of asceticism and worship, the heart becomes purified and thus able to penetrate deep into its inner meanings.
No. Even Buddha figured out this was a kind of suicide.
>Not to mention the immense devotion and dedication to God that is required for such endeavors.
Roman Legionaries and Gladiators practiced fasting, vegetarianism and abstinence from sex and narcotics. They didn't need to become soppy cave-dwellers to accomplish any of it; they understood the science of the human body,
"if this comes from god then it is a wonder, but if this comes from the body then it is a wonder of wonders!"
as the gnostics said, missing the point of it.
>satan has penetrated deep into your being.
> Catholicism and Christianity are false anyway
oh so you find the religion which invented monotheistic satan as being false but you still believe in it anyway.
>I said God is above existence
So you mean imaginary? That is correct
far worse than this.. when they say 'god is intellect' they're saying that their own idle unlearned musings about things constitutes the bedrock of reality; it's the displacement of all reality and all science and all things in favor of their own egoism which - when severed from the material world and persons around them - leaves them as a person starving to death in Platos Cave, entirely helpless.
The numbers of people starving to death in Platos Cave can be said to constitute the human urban hive; which destroys the land in a thoughtless manner due to the dim awareness of the necessity to feed and sustain itself at the most quasi-sapient of levels; understanding enough about the ego that they don't actually wish to literally die of starvation.
That asceticism, in a life-long vow way (i.e. not as a martial discipline, for instance), sometimes accompanies this and is found among the preachers of this nihilistic outlook is an irony.. or a logical consequence, but rejection of the world, if one believes in any god, can only be said to be a rejection of all real "divinity".
so has existence always been overflowing from god? Is existence co-eternal with god?
What about smegma and rotting assholes? Is that part of God’s overflowing perfection?
He didn’t know! He was only three years old and thought the earth was flat even.
Doesn’t matter now. He fell down a well and died. God is dead.
proof that math is fake news
god's a cunt
yeah but the israelites cry in pain as they strike you
Thousands of years to hone a lie and it doesn't even stand up to a child's logic. But a coper will sell himself anything.
>It's a LULZ users larp as believers thread vs
where they larp as Atheists
You homosexuals need a hobby
>with the full knowledge of what will happen
It was more knowledge of what was not really what would be, still messed up she kicked them out when they learned the truth.
The first story in the bible that Satan was the protector of man and yet countless years later over half of the world think that YHWH is the answer.
>but only if you follow me LOL
>but only after you die first!
i mean reallllly who'd ever fall for this carny deception
Christ sisters lost... again....
you're quite right, it is a feminine outlook;
>when they say 'god is intellect' they're saying that their own idle unlearned musings about things constitutes the bedrock of reality; it's the displacement of all reality and all science and all things in favor of their own egoism which - when severed from the material world and persons around them - leaves them as a person starving to death in Platos Cave, entirely helpless.
is that a practical-minded masculine way to approach reality, or is it the self-adoration and egoism of a petty-minded vain woman?
Christcucks are very much onions boys
also compare asceticism to exclusively female "dieting" - anorexia, bulimia trends.
Why do christ sisters keep coming to lit to debate their completely retarded religion?
They keep getting shit on by atheists invading from leddit.
How embarrassing is it that fucking REDDITORS are making a fool out of you on a literature board?!??!?
kid, your fake goyish cuckolds religion of immortality after death has been being disproven for millenia. Muh reddit, indeed.
Unless you mean we're REDITOR in the Roman Imperial sense of Emperor Aurelian who drove back the scum and put right the world; "restorer of the world". probably not tho.
I'm 15 and fuck your israeli mom I hope naggers will rot in hell
I feel like the last 10 posts were by the same person.
It's not possible to be outwitted by a le atheist plebbitor, it's just not.
this is what losing the culture war feels like; this is what seeing jerusalem -city of god - fall to a drunken roman legionary in titus army feels like.
Serious question to christfags: if people are made equal and in God’s image, then explain microdicks, manlets, premature balding and so on.
God is a premature balding manlet with a microdick.
Reminder that people used to be smaller when he made us 5000 years ago.
The devil injected the BBC into the mix.
the plot demanded it
If God created plot holes, does that mean plot holes=perfection?
I always knew Prometheus was a perfect film.
Why did sumerian Adapa fail to get immortality from Anu after following Enki's advice?
Because he wanted you guys to talk about stupid bullshit
idk bruh but what the fuck was he thinking with dinosaurs? like he starts with people then gets bored and wants to have his little godzilla vs rodan phase for some reason?
Felix culpa. The grace of salvation and the ability to choose God willingly would not be possible without the Fall.
God must create to define Itself. There must be what It is not for it to have any meaning.
Man is made in the image of God. Clearly this does not refer to God's physical body. Man's share in God is through comprehension of the Logos, universal reason. Man sits within the circuit of cause and effect yet can apprehend these laws.
In Romans 7-9, Paul discusses dying to sin. He speaks of how he loses a war with the members of his body and becomes dead in sin. This is obviously not a physical death, Paul still lives, but rather a death of personhood. It is no longer he who lives, but his animal desires. He is driven on as an effect that does not apprehend its own causes. He is then resurrected (again not biologically) in Christ, the Logos, and set free by the ability to apprehend what moves him.
God becomes through the relation of the Father, the ground, the object, the Son, the symbol, and the Spirit, the interpretant, Atman. The Father is not the Father without the Son. God is not God without man and man's redemption and return as Spirit (Eckhart, Cusa, Schelling, Hegel).
The Fall was a necessity. It's also a myth, Logos tells us the world clearly isn't only 6,000 years old.
All according to keikaku.
The gnostics figured it out, the snake was Jesus. YHWH saying
>don't eat this
Was a shit test. The "wrong answer" was actually the right answer, man chose freedom.
Why would God not want us to eat fruit that gave us knowledge? Didn't the fruit also give us knowledge of good as well as evil? Would humanity have been capable of good deeds without knowledge of what good was? Why would he want all of humanity to live in complete ignorance of basic moral concepts like good and evil?
Prolly cuz I'm an asshole.
some bored desert people thought that that was a good intro to a story
It was kino
Life is a fucking video game
- Terry A. Davis
just israeli schizo things
he didn't bro its a book, a figure of speech its not literal that story was written by HUMANS
God isn't a he, it's you and me.
Jesus was an ascended master, they are one level above archangels, lucifer is an archangel, jesus plays a role for humans because of the energy humans put into him, into believing in him, so many humans feel they need him so he is there for them, you could literally pray to any of the ascended masters or archangels or your spirit guide but you don't need to, you could pull the same energy or power from yourself because you are just as powerful as them - don't label me
I was troubled by this, anon, until I found the answer:
"And the Lord of his Father hath said onto his host, verily witheld (bound in) the sacrifice of the word, with the word, and wholy beneficence among such words, until such things will tarry but not pass."
Paul's Confused Letter to the Lydians, 3:17
The bible is not a book of fiction, it's a book of history. Every event in the bible happened at the time stated or occurred during an era when it could have possibly happened. What people like to do is pick and choose which parts of the bible to believe. If you are going to take something written by somebody at face value and look for the logical explanation you will always come to the truth. God tells you to open your eyes to the history of the world as it's written in the bible, if you look at it honestly and with an open mind you'll be able to get the point the writer is making.