well the whole metaphysics of the world changed after the Fall because there was no death,
It would make sense that humans being unequipped to deal with the harshness of the Fallen world would also adapt a bit to the new environment
but really they just look like hairy aboriginals
Animals die and turn into fossils on the ground. The ground gets pushed up over time and turns into a mountain. The fossils that were once on the ground are now high in the sky.
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>The ground gets pushed up over time and turns into a mountain
does the ground get pushed up the mountain over a billion trillion years or does the mountain get eroded away over a billion trillion years? why can't evolutionists come to a consensus on this
also you haven't even showing that your model of 'billions of years' has actually passed
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Why did you drop out of high school?
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>over a billion trillion years
You're clearly a low IQ retard with zero education in any field. It is not possible to discuss this with you further.
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then why are you the one that can't make an argument
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What did you gain? Honest question. I considered my options when faced with leaving/remaining in faith and it didn't really seem to me like I'd gain anything real.
Chances are you are very much a slave to israelites. >I gain nothing by believe
Then I am very sorry for the life of faith you led. I gain quite a lot from it.
So that's the benefit of atheism? A post-modern concept of "freedom" along with dismissing stuff?
There is no benefit to atheism except you are free from the scam that is religion taking your time and money.
Atheism is the truth, and no wishful thinking will change that.
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>Atheism is the truth
how do you know truth even exists
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No word games or wishful thinking or prayers are going to make God exist.
4 weeks ago
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Correct. He exists already.
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Alright, prove it.
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the fact atheism collapses into self contradiction shows that theism is correct.
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So you have no actual proof. That's what I thought.
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I do here:
the fact atheism collapses into self contradiction shows that theism is correct.
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That's your claim. Now prove it.
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the individual atheists rejects God due to a supposed 'lack of proof' however concepts like: reason, logic, consciousness, human thought, objective truth also cannot be proven given an atheist worldview and have to be presupposed.
So by accepting reason, logic, consciousness, human thought, and objective truth but not God you are being arbitrary and ad hoc.
Further by saying that a person cannot presuppose God to exist but then presupposes reason, logic, consciousness, human thought, and objective truth you contradict yourself.
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Reason, logic, and objective truth are human concepts. We don't fully understand how things work on the quantum level, and don't have a full model of the universe, physics, or the human consciousness.
God is still not real. Definitely not the three-headed Bible God that interacted with desert tribes and cares about if you masturbate.
The Universe is the total opposite of "intelligent design". It's a random clusterfuck mess of exploding balls of plasma and asteroids and radiation.
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>Reason, logic, and objective truth are human concepts
what does "human concept" even mean? >God is still not real. Definitely not the three-headed Bible God that interacted with desert tribes and cares about if you masturbate.
You are objectively saying that God is still not real but can't even show whether or not objective truth exists? thats self defeating. >The Universe is the total opposite of "intelligent design". It's a random clusterfuck mess of exploding balls of plasma and asteroids and radiation.
ok prove it.
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Human concept means the way human brain atoms generate consciousness and interpret the surrounding universe.
I'm subjectively saying it because we don't have a full understanding of reality. Not even you do, you're just some worthless homosexual who nobody would even miss if you were dead.
Ever seen a picture of outer space from a telescope?
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>Human concept means the way human brain atoms generate consciousness and interpret the surrounding universe.
you're claiming they are "human concepts" but in that you are presupposing consciousness to exist without being able to demonstrate that claim. Whether you call them "human concepts" or not you are presupposing their existence without any demonstration that they exist.
>I'm subjectively saying it because we don't have a full understanding of reality. Not even you do, you're just some worthless homosexual who nobody would even miss if you were dead.
ok but this has nothing to do with the argument.
>Ever seen a picture of outer space from a telescope?
how does the size of the universe communicate value?
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Your homosexual israelitegod isn't real dude. No matter how much you cope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ
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>rage quit
your concession is accepted
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You just run around in circles going "You don't have objective truth so how can you know anything?! Hahahaha."
Yeah, we don't know how all of reality works. That's why we invented axioms. The probability of God existing based on those axioms is very low.
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you aren't able to make a counter argument. >Yeah, we don't know how all of reality works. That's why we invented axioms. The probability of God existing based on those axioms is very low.
How do you know anything you are saying is true if we 'don't know how reality works'?
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I don't, I only have probability based on axioms.
Where do you get your objective truth, that laughingstock man-made book called the Bible? Is that what you're going to say?
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>How do you know anything you are saying is true if we 'don't know how reality works'? >I don't
then by definition nothing you said can be true, including atheism. So if atheism isn't true then what remains is theism
Thank you for admitting God exists
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>then by definition nothing you said can be true
No, nothing I said can be 100% confirmed (yet) until we have a full model of physics and reality.
Do you understand that humankind through science has not reached that goal yet?
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>No, nothing I said can be confirmed
then you lose
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You claim to have objective truth? Where do you get it?
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Truth is rooted in God
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Which God?
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If you have an argument (which you already admitted you have no way of knowing what you're saying is true)
then you can present it but I'm not playing 20 questions with you
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Is this your objective truth? The God which has thousands of competing sects that can't figure out what truth God was trying to say?
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so again you can present an argument if are able to but I'm not going to play 20 questions
please make an argument
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Your "objective truth" is based in faulty ancient manuscripts full of errors and contradictions that leads to nothing but confusion for the whole world. That is the opposite of truth.
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>Your "objective truth" is based in faulty ancient manuscripts full of errors and contradictions
such as?
>That is the opposite of truth
you just a few posts ago couldn't show truth even exists now you're asserting it does, further showing how ad hoc atheism is.
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You're not showing me how this "objective truth" works. You say you get it from God, but how? Are the truths written somewhere?
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>You're not showing me how this "objective truth" works.
what are you confused about?
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Yeah, you won't just come out and say it. That's how spineless and cowardice Christcucks are.
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you refuse to clarify your point of contention, not much i can do for you
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Mark 6:8 >and He instructed them that they were to take nothing for their journey, except a mere staff—no bread, no bag, no money in their belt
Luke 9:3 >And He said to them, “Take nothing for your journey, neither a staff, nor a bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not even have two tunics.
Alright this is from your book of objective truth. Tell me which is the objective truth. Take a staff or do not take a staff?
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The gospels are a theological work on Christ's life not a modern day history book, they are written to convey a theological message and for an ease of understanding and remembering much like epic poems,
The goal is to convey a theological position not to convey with 100% certainty whether or not people carried a staff
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So if you can't determine objective truth from the Bible, how do you do it?
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>So if you can't determine objective truth from the Bible
ok prove it
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See
I would like to know the objective truth on wether the apostles carried a staff or not on that journey. You said truth cones from God and this book is supposed to be God's objective truth word. Now tell me.
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So your objective truth manual is littered with contradictions, of which cannot be determined which is the real truth? This is not looking good for you.
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If it was a history book that would be an issue but it isn't its a work of theology, to which there are no contradictions,
Also we don't see the Bible like the Muslims see the Quran as a perfect eternal book given directly by God so whether they carried a staff or not is irrelevant
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>its a work of theology, to which there are no contradictions
This is your objective truth? LMAO
What a crock of shit. I didn't think you would stoop so low, but you revealed your hand.
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you're free to make a counter argument at any time
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You're free to fuck off now.
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I noticed you don't capitalize your sentences or use punctuation.
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This is such an amusing statement because it relies on the assumption that whites are more intelligent now than they were a century ago. This guy wants to have it both ways, he wants to be based an racist, while also claiming that liberal anti-racists are the smartest people in history.
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You're free to fuck off now.
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I would like to know the objective truth on wether the apostles carried a staff or not on that journey. You said truth cones from God and this book is supposed to be God's objective truth word. Now tell me.
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>I would like to know the objective truth on wether the apostles carried a staff or not on that journey.
but that isn't even what the gospels are communicating again it isn't a modern day history book its a theological work
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So your objective truth book is just totally up in the air when it comes to determining which parts are the real truth and which are not. Just guesswork.
Wow, thank you for debunking your whole "objective truth" facade. Nice try Christcuck, but you lost.
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>So your objective truth book is just totally up in the air when it comes to determining which parts are the real truth and which are not. Just guesswork.
no where did you even get that from >Wow, thank you for debunking your whole "objective truth" facade. Nice try Christcuck, but you lost.
well you were wrong so again no
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I showed that you are full of shit and have no objective truth. You can fuck off now.
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I gave you evidence that your "objective truth" Bible has no objective truth in it and has to be subjectively determined by the reader by comparing all the contradictions. Now you're in meltdown mode.
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And I countered them to which you couldn't make an argument against
now you're in meltdown mode
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Countered them with what?
>"Nuh uh, that contradiction doesn't count"
How do you determine which parts of the Bible are the objective truth?
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>>"Nuh uh, that contradiction doesn't count"
conveniently ignoring the argument. classic.
also earlier you said you have no basis for how you know truth even exists so by extension you have no basis for how you lose that its true there are contradictions, even further examples of the absurdity of atheism
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How do you determine which parts of the Bible are the objective truth?
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>How do you determine which parts of the Bible are the objective truth?
like I said earlier I'm not going to play 20 questions with you. if you have an argument please present one
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So any tough questions and you default to saying that. Looks like you have no answer and have been defeated.
You said you had objective truth but cannot demonstrate it to me or how you get it.
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no argument? well I guess you lose then
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Every time God fails to answer your prayers, I win.
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which is never,
sucks to suck retard
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Why don't you go to a children's cancer hospital and pray for God to heal them all that day?
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I'm predestined not to
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You only try to believe in God to alleviate your fear of death.
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Ok prove it
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You know I'm right.
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Nope
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Make sure to read that objective truth about loving your enemy and turning the other cheek so they can kill you and fuck your women.
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ok schizo
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What you don't seem to grasp is that I'm using the axiom you defined as truth. We have to set some frame if reference, so I'm using yours. The Bible is the opposite of what you defined as truth.
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>The Bible is the opposite of what you defined as truth.
you said this already but you haven't been able to show how its the case
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Go die for Israel you pathetic Christcuck.
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Your imaginary God also has no observable or detectable effects on the universe or life on earth. Prayer doesn't work, being Christian doesn't make your life any better than another religion or atheism, no miracles have ever been confirmed, nothing. Your God is completely absent, only in your mind.
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>Your imaginary God also has no observable or detectable effects on the universe or life on earth
neither does: logic, reason, objective truth, consciousness, human thought, yet you presuppose them anyways to have this conversation
so if you're going to presuppose those metaphysical concepts I'll presuppose God
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You presuppose a skywizard?
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if you're going to presuppose metaphysical concepts without proof so will I.
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The claims from the Bible can be shown to never have happened. So it can be safely rejected.
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ok prove it
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Where do you get your objective truth and what does it say?
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You believe and worship some tribal israelitegod from thousands of years ago and pay a tithe to the cult.
I mean how fucking stupid can you get?
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considering it makes you seethe so much its a further attestation of its truth
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This argument was debunked by Elizabeth Anscombe, a Catholic
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if you can't give an account for truth but believe it anyways you're being arbitrary and ad hoc
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isn't the burden of proof on theists?
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So I gain an hour on Sunday and save 4 bucks. Leaving behind a community of people trying to pursue the good, the true, the beautiful and the timeless.
Not a good trade, I must say. But I'm sure you had other reasons that are difficult to express.
Christ is Lord.
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this. even if God wasn't really its still better to live as a Christian than an atheistcuck
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Nah, you're a bunch of low IQ scum and your churches and nothing but pedophile rings.
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glad it makes you seethe so much :^)
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You Christians create nothing but raped kids and misery and death wherever you go.
No, evolutionism is of course completely incompatible with any form of religion so must be rejected from a theological perspective, since we are divine and a divine nature cannot arise from the bestial; it's the other way around. And from an empirical perspective there is simply no hard evidence for it, only inference. So for the atheist, it is a seemingly sound theory, but still a theory. For the believer, it is nonsense.
I think the phrase "I cannot blah blah something that blah blah" implies that there is a win condition. If you're a non-believer, please at least act like that's what's in your heart, out of compassion for people who might think "This one can be reached by reason." when it is not the case.
How? One look at this wretched universe and life on Earth and you know it is not a divine creation of a God and it is purely the result of random chemical reactions over billions of years. What "reasonable" thing could you possibly say? "God loves you"? LMAO
Fuck you asshole. You parasite that spreads your mind virus. I have no compassion for you, I hate your kind. There is no God, I can do whatever I want.
What's wrong?
Created Brazil?
He didn't, they are a result of the Fall
Humans evolved into cave apes after the Fall?
well the whole metaphysics of the world changed after the Fall because there was no death,
It would make sense that humans being unequipped to deal with the harshness of the Fallen world would also adapt a bit to the new environment
but really they just look like hairy aboriginals
>the whole metaphysics of the world changed after the Fall
Yeah that never happened. There has always been death for all life since the beginning, billions of years ago.
>There has always been death for all life since the beginning, billions of years ago
ok prove it
Fossils of dead animals and microbes
like the ones on top of mountains?
Animals die and turn into fossils on the ground. The ground gets pushed up over time and turns into a mountain. The fossils that were once on the ground are now high in the sky.
>The ground gets pushed up over time and turns into a mountain
does the ground get pushed up the mountain over a billion trillion years or does the mountain get eroded away over a billion trillion years? why can't evolutionists come to a consensus on this
also you haven't even showing that your model of 'billions of years' has actually passed
Why did you drop out of high school?
>over a billion trillion years
You're clearly a low IQ retard with zero education in any field. It is not possible to discuss this with you further.
then why are you the one that can't make an argument
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>I cannot respect or worship a God who would...
Then don't. He loses nothing. You lose everything.
Yeah, I won't. Keep sucking your demon God's circumcised israelite dick.
Why do anything anymore, you squares?
>yikes.gif
ahaah upvotes for this gentleman
>YOU LOSE EVERYTHING
No, I gained everything.
You're still a slave.
What did you gain? Honest question. I considered my options when faced with leaving/remaining in faith and it didn't really seem to me like I'd gain anything real.
No longer a slave to the israelite.
Also none of it is real, so I gain nothing by believe. Prayers don't work. A God is not looking out for you. There is no afterlife.
Chances are you are very much a slave to israelites.
>I gain nothing by believe
Then I am very sorry for the life of faith you led. I gain quite a lot from it.
So that's the benefit of atheism? A post-modern concept of "freedom" along with dismissing stuff?
There is no benefit to atheism except you are free from the scam that is religion taking your time and money.
Atheism is the truth, and no wishful thinking will change that.
>Atheism is the truth
how do you know truth even exists
No word games or wishful thinking or prayers are going to make God exist.
Correct. He exists already.
Alright, prove it.
the fact atheism collapses into self contradiction shows that theism is correct.
So you have no actual proof. That's what I thought.
I do here:
the fact atheism collapses into self contradiction shows that theism is correct.
That's your claim. Now prove it.
the individual atheists rejects God due to a supposed 'lack of proof' however concepts like: reason, logic, consciousness, human thought, objective truth also cannot be proven given an atheist worldview and have to be presupposed.
So by accepting reason, logic, consciousness, human thought, and objective truth but not God you are being arbitrary and ad hoc.
Further by saying that a person cannot presuppose God to exist but then presupposes reason, logic, consciousness, human thought, and objective truth you contradict yourself.
Reason, logic, and objective truth are human concepts. We don't fully understand how things work on the quantum level, and don't have a full model of the universe, physics, or the human consciousness.
God is still not real. Definitely not the three-headed Bible God that interacted with desert tribes and cares about if you masturbate.
The Universe is the total opposite of "intelligent design". It's a random clusterfuck mess of exploding balls of plasma and asteroids and radiation.
>Reason, logic, and objective truth are human concepts
what does "human concept" even mean?
>God is still not real. Definitely not the three-headed Bible God that interacted with desert tribes and cares about if you masturbate.
You are objectively saying that God is still not real but can't even show whether or not objective truth exists? thats self defeating.
>The Universe is the total opposite of "intelligent design". It's a random clusterfuck mess of exploding balls of plasma and asteroids and radiation.
ok prove it.
Human concept means the way human brain atoms generate consciousness and interpret the surrounding universe.
I'm subjectively saying it because we don't have a full understanding of reality. Not even you do, you're just some worthless homosexual who nobody would even miss if you were dead.
Ever seen a picture of outer space from a telescope?
>Human concept means the way human brain atoms generate consciousness and interpret the surrounding universe.
you're claiming they are "human concepts" but in that you are presupposing consciousness to exist without being able to demonstrate that claim. Whether you call them "human concepts" or not you are presupposing their existence without any demonstration that they exist.
>I'm subjectively saying it because we don't have a full understanding of reality. Not even you do, you're just some worthless homosexual who nobody would even miss if you were dead.
ok but this has nothing to do with the argument.
>Ever seen a picture of outer space from a telescope?
how does the size of the universe communicate value?
Your homosexual israelitegod isn't real dude. No matter how much you cope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ
>rage quit
your concession is accepted
You just run around in circles going "You don't have objective truth so how can you know anything?! Hahahaha."
Yeah, we don't know how all of reality works. That's why we invented axioms. The probability of God existing based on those axioms is very low.
you aren't able to make a counter argument.
>Yeah, we don't know how all of reality works. That's why we invented axioms. The probability of God existing based on those axioms is very low.
How do you know anything you are saying is true if we 'don't know how reality works'?
I don't, I only have probability based on axioms.
Where do you get your objective truth, that laughingstock man-made book called the Bible? Is that what you're going to say?
>How do you know anything you are saying is true if we 'don't know how reality works'?
>I don't
then by definition nothing you said can be true, including atheism. So if atheism isn't true then what remains is theism
Thank you for admitting God exists
>then by definition nothing you said can be true
No, nothing I said can be 100% confirmed (yet) until we have a full model of physics and reality.
Do you understand that humankind through science has not reached that goal yet?
>No, nothing I said can be confirmed
then you lose
You claim to have objective truth? Where do you get it?
Truth is rooted in God
Which God?
If you have an argument (which you already admitted you have no way of knowing what you're saying is true)
then you can present it but I'm not playing 20 questions with you
Is this your objective truth? The God which has thousands of competing sects that can't figure out what truth God was trying to say?
so again you can present an argument if are able to but I'm not going to play 20 questions
please make an argument
Your "objective truth" is based in faulty ancient manuscripts full of errors and contradictions that leads to nothing but confusion for the whole world. That is the opposite of truth.
>Your "objective truth" is based in faulty ancient manuscripts full of errors and contradictions
such as?
>That is the opposite of truth
you just a few posts ago couldn't show truth even exists now you're asserting it does, further showing how ad hoc atheism is.
You're not showing me how this "objective truth" works. You say you get it from God, but how? Are the truths written somewhere?
>You're not showing me how this "objective truth" works.
what are you confused about?
Yeah, you won't just come out and say it. That's how spineless and cowardice Christcucks are.
you refuse to clarify your point of contention, not much i can do for you
Mark 6:8
>and He instructed them that they were to take nothing for their journey, except a mere staff—no bread, no bag, no money in their belt
Luke 9:3
>And He said to them, “Take nothing for your journey, neither a staff, nor a bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not even have two tunics.
Alright this is from your book of objective truth. Tell me which is the objective truth. Take a staff or do not take a staff?
The gospels are a theological work on Christ's life not a modern day history book, they are written to convey a theological message and for an ease of understanding and remembering much like epic poems,
The goal is to convey a theological position not to convey with 100% certainty whether or not people carried a staff
So if you can't determine objective truth from the Bible, how do you do it?
>So if you can't determine objective truth from the Bible
ok prove it
See
So your objective truth manual is littered with contradictions, of which cannot be determined which is the real truth? This is not looking good for you.
If it was a history book that would be an issue but it isn't its a work of theology, to which there are no contradictions,
Also we don't see the Bible like the Muslims see the Quran as a perfect eternal book given directly by God so whether they carried a staff or not is irrelevant
>its a work of theology, to which there are no contradictions
This is your objective truth? LMAO
What a crock of shit. I didn't think you would stoop so low, but you revealed your hand.
you're free to make a counter argument at any time
You're free to fuck off now.
I noticed you don't capitalize your sentences or use punctuation.
This is such an amusing statement because it relies on the assumption that whites are more intelligent now than they were a century ago. This guy wants to have it both ways, he wants to be based an racist, while also claiming that liberal anti-racists are the smartest people in history.
I would like to know the objective truth on wether the apostles carried a staff or not on that journey. You said truth cones from God and this book is supposed to be God's objective truth word. Now tell me.
>I would like to know the objective truth on wether the apostles carried a staff or not on that journey.
but that isn't even what the gospels are communicating again it isn't a modern day history book its a theological work
So your objective truth book is just totally up in the air when it comes to determining which parts are the real truth and which are not. Just guesswork.
Wow, thank you for debunking your whole "objective truth" facade. Nice try Christcuck, but you lost.
>So your objective truth book is just totally up in the air when it comes to determining which parts are the real truth and which are not. Just guesswork.
no where did you even get that from
>Wow, thank you for debunking your whole "objective truth" facade. Nice try Christcuck, but you lost.
well you were wrong so again no
I showed that you are full of shit and have no objective truth. You can fuck off now.
I gave you evidence that your "objective truth" Bible has no objective truth in it and has to be subjectively determined by the reader by comparing all the contradictions. Now you're in meltdown mode.
And I countered them to which you couldn't make an argument against
now you're in meltdown mode
Countered them with what?
>"Nuh uh, that contradiction doesn't count"
How do you determine which parts of the Bible are the objective truth?
>>"Nuh uh, that contradiction doesn't count"
conveniently ignoring the argument. classic.
also earlier you said you have no basis for how you know truth even exists so by extension you have no basis for how you lose that its true there are contradictions, even further examples of the absurdity of atheism
How do you determine which parts of the Bible are the objective truth?
>How do you determine which parts of the Bible are the objective truth?
like I said earlier I'm not going to play 20 questions with you. if you have an argument please present one
So any tough questions and you default to saying that. Looks like you have no answer and have been defeated.
You said you had objective truth but cannot demonstrate it to me or how you get it.
no argument? well I guess you lose then
Every time God fails to answer your prayers, I win.
which is never,
sucks to suck retard
Why don't you go to a children's cancer hospital and pray for God to heal them all that day?
I'm predestined not to
You only try to believe in God to alleviate your fear of death.
Ok prove it
You know I'm right.
Nope
Make sure to read that objective truth about loving your enemy and turning the other cheek so they can kill you and fuck your women.
ok schizo
What you don't seem to grasp is that I'm using the axiom you defined as truth. We have to set some frame if reference, so I'm using yours. The Bible is the opposite of what you defined as truth.
>The Bible is the opposite of what you defined as truth.
you said this already but you haven't been able to show how its the case
Go die for Israel you pathetic Christcuck.
Your imaginary God also has no observable or detectable effects on the universe or life on earth. Prayer doesn't work, being Christian doesn't make your life any better than another religion or atheism, no miracles have ever been confirmed, nothing. Your God is completely absent, only in your mind.
>Your imaginary God also has no observable or detectable effects on the universe or life on earth
neither does: logic, reason, objective truth, consciousness, human thought, yet you presuppose them anyways to have this conversation
so if you're going to presuppose those metaphysical concepts I'll presuppose God
You presuppose a skywizard?
if you're going to presuppose metaphysical concepts without proof so will I.
The claims from the Bible can be shown to never have happened. So it can be safely rejected.
ok prove it
Where do you get your objective truth and what does it say?
You believe and worship some tribal israelitegod from thousands of years ago and pay a tithe to the cult.
I mean how fucking stupid can you get?
considering it makes you seethe so much its a further attestation of its truth
This argument was debunked by Elizabeth Anscombe, a Catholic
if you can't give an account for truth but believe it anyways you're being arbitrary and ad hoc
isn't the burden of proof on theists?
So I gain an hour on Sunday and save 4 bucks. Leaving behind a community of people trying to pursue the good, the true, the beautiful and the timeless.
Not a good trade, I must say. But I'm sure you had other reasons that are difficult to express.
Christ is Lord.
this. even if God wasn't really its still better to live as a Christian than an atheistcuck
Nah, you're a bunch of low IQ scum and your churches and nothing but pedophile rings.
glad it makes you seethe so much :^)
You Christians create nothing but raped kids and misery and death wherever you go.
ok schizo
>god is bad because... he created monkeys!
what's wrong with monkeys, OP? I like monkeys
t. non-religious
So glad Christianity is in permanent decline. All Christboomers are dying off and all the youth are rejecting it.
Atheism wins in the end.
I WON.
You are assuming that creatures which do not meet your aesthetic expectations are somehow an imperfect creation.
Adam and Eve were perfect, they were reduced to this when they were kicked out of Eden and forced to toil the cursed land.
Adam and Eve turned into Australopithecus and then evolved into modern humans over 6,000 years?
No, evolutionism is of course completely incompatible with any form of religion so must be rejected from a theological perspective, since we are divine and a divine nature cannot arise from the bestial; it's the other way around. And from an empirical perspective there is simply no hard evidence for it, only inference. So for the atheist, it is a seemingly sound theory, but still a theory. For the believer, it is nonsense.
>we are divine
Another day's work of putting Christshitters in their place.
These were the prototypes you blasphemous heathen.
>I cannot respect or worship a God who would do this.
Have you ever had a notion of God who you could worship?
No, worshiping is a form of slavery. I could only respect a God that would create me as his equal.
I think the phrase "I cannot blah blah something that blah blah" implies that there is a win condition. If you're a non-believer, please at least act like that's what's in your heart, out of compassion for people who might think "This one can be reached by reason." when it is not the case.
>This one can be reached by reason
How? One look at this wretched universe and life on Earth and you know it is not a divine creation of a God and it is purely the result of random chemical reactions over billions of years. What "reasonable" thing could you possibly say? "God loves you"? LMAO
>out of compassion
Fuck you asshole. You parasite that spreads your mind virus. I have no compassion for you, I hate your kind. There is no God, I can do whatever I want.
The fact it makes you seethe so hard is just further vindication
Look at this thread full of Christseethe, all because I refused to worship your imaginary God.
I'm better than your God. I'm above Christians.
massive cope