Why did California become the richest state and not Florida.

Why did California become the richest state and not Florida. They both have nice weather which would've made it attractive to people to move there.

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the main one is that Florida's a hell of a lot more swampy, not as good for agriculture, and you have to get through the South to get there, which until recently would've mostly been an overland trip.

    The Seminole fighting like hell against the US in the everglades didn't exactly help, either.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I love Florida, but it does not have nice weather for daily life. It’s very hot and very humid for about 80% of the year. It’s great for going to the beach, but you can’t be at the beach every day. Being in a suit and tie in 90 degree heat with high humidity is awful. That’s why it didn’t grow much until AC became common. Living down there without AC sounds incredibly miserable. That plus hurricanes can often ruin infrastructure and set the development of areas back.
    California on the other hand has a much milder climate, from what I can tell though I’ve only been there once in the summer. It also doesn’t have hurricanes like Florida.

    t. Lived in Florida until 18.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    California receives trillions in subsidies from the military

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What do you mean? It's actually doing pretty good despite not being part of the original 13 colonies. having direct access to Asian trade like California, Oil like texas, and having the shitties terrain in america. It's the fourth biggest economy inside america after California, Texas and New York, it's punching above it's weigth.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Florida is third in population, with a top-10 MSA in Miami.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Hollywood and Silicon Valley

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    California gets a lot of wealthier Mexicans but it also gets the best of the immigrants from elsewhere. Florida's just full of low IQ untermensch from Guadalajara

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Mexicans
      >high iq
      >wealthy

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You will never have a stable border

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Why do you celebrate national instability?
          You a seething troon

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Last time I went to miami it was full of argentinians. Miami has better bussiness related connections to all of latin america than California, maybe on par with Texas.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      seething calentano poorfag, getting 15$ an hour picking oranges doesnt make you wealthy
      Mexicans dont even go to Florida, only Cubans and Sudacas do

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I hated Florida: stealing bike, bugs and hottest day

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No one lived in Florida until air conditioning became widespread. It's hot as balls. California on the other hand has the best weather in the country and is also top 5 in beauty, arguably the most beautiful state period.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >and is also top 5 in beauty, arguably the most beautiful state period
      Pennsylvania is easily one of the prettiest. the rolling hills and woodlands just look postcard level of pretty in summertime.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >is also top 5 in beauty, arguably the most beautiful state period.
      kek you clearly dont live here and only visited the few small parts of CA that are nice. Most of the state is a desert shit hole

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/most-beautiful-states-in-america

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >is also top 5 in beauty, arguably the most beautiful state period.
      kek you clearly dont live here and only visited the few small parts of CA that are nice. Most of the state is a desert shit hole

      I actually find deserts quite beautiful, but california having a lot of variance from north to south means there's a lot to see and several different biomes, few states can compare in that level of diversity, I can certainly think of many states with a few biomes in it but California takes the cake I think.
      >fuck la though

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Florida has Floridians.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Isn’t California the biggest natural harbour on the west coast?

    That plus the California valley being perfect for agriculture makes it perfect for import/export and supplying.

    Florida isn’t good for much but oranges and tourism

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      california isn't really good for agriculture because it wastes so much water but you don't hear environmentalists talking about that, that's why they have to buy water from other states and drain their water

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >what should I do with this desert?
        >let's grow some almonds
        What the fuck are they thinking?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          They had pretty much ruined their farmland in about 30-40 years so they switched to fruit trees at the turn of the century which also drastically increased their need for farm workers which is why historically they've had so much illegal immigration. California switching to fruit production directly coincides with illegal immigration into the state. This ceaseless quest for profit is the reason why they have no problem draining all the water to keep the farms going

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Plenty of environmentalists bag on California’s retarded agriculture practices, what are you on about?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Not really. Nobody on the left attacks California's fruit tree empire because they've been grifted into thinking it "feeds them". When was the last time somebody survived on pomegranates?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Anon since you insist on being dense here’s an article from Jacobin, an explicitly socialist publication talking about exactly that.

            https://jacobin.com/2020/09/us-agriculture-system-climate-crisis-pollution-green-new-deal

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Jacobin
              who

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, it says
                >an explicitly socialist publication
                Right there. It’s not my fault if you lack reading comprehension.

                If your idea of the left is CNN talking points then I guess I can’t really blame you for not knowing anything about the people you’re talking about.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                yeah who? never heard of them
                it would explain why you're so neurotic if you read marxist propaganda

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t care if you never heard of them, you asked for an example of lefties critiquing California agriculture so there it is. I’ll accept your concession in the form of a single (you)

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Admitting you're a marxist isn't "winning" anything. You're a historical loser and nothing you ever think or do will be relevant

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you for that concession. Work on your ad homs, they’re weak as your genes

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                If you don't know what Jacobin is, you're in no position to be talking about what 'the left' is doing.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                If your definition of left is so irrelevant that it's not even worth knowing about then is it real

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Jacobin is easily one of the biggest American left websites/magazines.
                If you haven't heard of it, that says more about you than about it, especially if you're trying to talk with certainty about what 'the left' is doing or saying.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >If you haven't heard of my Marxist propaganda website there's something wrong with you
                Au contraire my dysgenic freak friend

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Nice people but the heat makes it borderline unlivable except in the winter

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Nice people
      Anon, the people who are pretending to be nice to you are not friendly. They want to sell you something or take something.

      They're getting close to you so they can steal your shoes.

      I have never once had someone tell me that "This is ______, nobody cares how smart you are" for knowing a basic high school fact until I lived in Florida. The only people worth a squirt of piss in the swamp is the Europeans who came by to have a good time, and the out of towners who came because their parents divorced and took the kids as far away from the other parent as they physically could.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >They both have nice weather
    Florida has fucking hurricanes and is humid as fuck.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's covered in swamps which is always a bitch to build on. Only reason Disney set up shop there was because they could get special rules for the place

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think he gets enough credit for this. It's brilliant.
      >1950s
      >no one lives in florida (seriously, alabama had more people at the time)
      >land everywhere
      >disney buys dickloads of it for pennies
      >air conditioning gets cheap
      >now everyone wants to live in florida
      >suddenly one of the most populous and wealthy states

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        He was better at real state and urbanism than in animation, and he was pretty good at that too.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Florida is DOA without air conditioning. Population in 1900 was below Colorado.
    California had San Francisco as the dominant West Coast port during the 1800s, and the Central Valley for agriculture. Los Angeles was another good port location, had oil, and gained Hollywood. Even in the 1930s, California was a center of aviation research. By that point, it already had the UCs, Stanford, Caltech, USC, etc. giving it a solid educational base and a high level attractiveness to many of the world's leading minds (Einstein frequently visited).
    During WWII, California was a natural hub for aviation and for the Pacific War effort, which contributed massively to development: it leapt the state rankings from #5 to #2 during the 1940s.
    California benefitted massively from the Cold War.
    1950s saw the beginnings of Silicon Valley, which acted as a flywheel for the state.
    Expanded Pacific trade enhanced the logistics sector in Los Angeles-Long Beach.
    And so on.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Florida is a Southern state, with all that entails in terms of political economy.
      Its 'development' during the 20th Century was a never-ending series of real-estate scams targeting Northerners.
      It also benefitted from WWII.
      Air conditioning made it viable, which is why the population, which hit 1 million in the 1930s, exploded after that point.
      California's natural foreign partner was East Asia, while Florida's was Latin America. Latam didn't do as well as East Asia, but it still sent business, money, trade, and millions of immigrants to Florida.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        that's actually a really good point, Florida's a southern state so the north probably robbed it too. Most southern states weren't out of debt to the north until the 1920's which is why the population started increasing then

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I meant elites pursuing an extractive economic model based upon cheap labor and low levels of public goods/human capital, making use of strong local identities to generate allegiance and pride in the social/economic program in the general population.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            yeah of course you have no idea what you're talking about, that's why I said something actually relevant

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              From the Civil War to the 1920s, Florida's population increased by a factor of 7.
              There weren't any 'debts to the northern states'. As parts of the US, tax revenues from Southern states contributed to general debt service, but there wasn't any special levy upon them. The South's economic problems were caused by its bad economic model.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >There weren't any 'debts to the northern states'
                Why are you lying?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you making things up?
                If anything, there were factions in the South who wanted the country (or at least their states) to assume the CSA's war debts (which were repudiated as a condition of rejoining).

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                there were many ways the north made the south become indebted to them beside the war debts

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >There weren't any 'debts to the northern states'
                Why are you lying?

                Are sources going to be forthcoming? Or are one-liners all we're getting?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >know nothing about the subject
                >make wild claim
                >immediately walk back goalpost
                >duh sources are in order
                kill yourself

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you describing yourself?
                All you've offered up is vague wankery.
                https://web-docs.stern.nyu.edu/old_web/economics/docs/Financial%20History/Spring%202013/Noll%20Civil%20War%20Debt%202013.pdf
                Covers the issue of Civil War debt assumption and repudiation, as well as political disputes over the method of payment.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >no u
                it's actually astounding you're able to read

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Your posts are either vague sourceless claims, or sourceless assertions that you're right.
                Zero value added from any of them.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm retarded
                yes I know, what color is your skin

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Let's make this simple, since you lack self-awareness.

                that's actually a really good point, Florida's a southern state so the north probably robbed it too. Most southern states weren't out of debt to the north until the 1920's which is why the population started increasing then

                >Most southern states weren't out of debt to the north until the 1920's which is why the population started increasing then
                is a very specific claim. What exactly is it based on? Why should an anon accord it any value?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Because I can post whatever the fuck I want and you can't do a thing about it you homosexual

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but just because you can be a raging retard contributing nothing to the city versatile doesn’t mean you should.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                This mentality is why social trust in America is dead

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Ha ha u mad.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like commie talk

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    prior to air conditioning it was mostly empty except the Panhandle, which was full of inbred extreme hillbillies with an average IQ around 85 and notorious for brutal lynchings (except that lynchings don't happen anymore most of this still applies to the place).

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    seriously California has the best climate in the country bar none

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      it's definitely the easiest to live in and very amenable to agriculture but as someone who grew up in VT I start to die when temperatures get above 75 and find 40-50 to be the most comfortable

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I grew up in Florida and settled in Vermont for that reason. I had to go
        Two days without AC in my Florida cracker house (it’s built off the ground under the assumption air moving underneath the building would keep it vented) but it was fucking brutal like no heat I’ve ever experienced, it was actually cooler outside. Florida’s growth almost perfectly coincides with the adoption of air conditioning. You can immediately tell who is “old Florida” because they are the most rootin’ tootin’ hillbilliest hollering hillbillies you’ll ever meet, it’s like the heat literally warped their brains.

        The worst part is that even clean freaks can’t keep the cockroaches out. You have to be a filthy motherfucker to get them anywhere else but in Florida they’re fucking everywhere.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Arizona is up there. It may be dry heat and not Florida's incredible humidity but 110F is still hell either way.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    gators and shit

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Florida's addiction to capital punishment (rivaling only Texas in # of people executed) is proof of its Southern DNA.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      in the pre-1970s period California and New York used capital punishment almost as liberally as Texas. They weren't always soi-infused states run by trust fund babbies.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    *Sewer gator blocks your escape*

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    med climate > tropical climate.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Florida is technically subtropic

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It seems like the largest concentration of wealth and history is around the Chesapeake bay.

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How many gold mines did Florida have?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's a peninsula of limestone bedrock. Florida has no gold.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I think that's his point anon. Prior to the tourism boom there wasn't much of a reason to come to Florida, Tampa was really the only "industrial Western city" so to speak, and only in the dead center of the state (the land Disney bought) could you grow citrus or raise cattle.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Big tech.

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I always thought that for California, being on the other side of the country from the Boston-NY-DC megalopolis is what helped it stand on its own and morph into the largest US economy?

    If you think about it, both the Northeast and California exert a "gravitational pull" on the adjacent states. If you're running a business in Georgia and need to expand your operations, wouldn't there come a time where it makes sense to move your operations to NY, as your business starts to scale up.
    I'm not sure that the Northeast sucks business out of Florida, but it seems to inherently make sense that the two hubs of the American economy would be on the opposite side of the country.

    Also, California is huge and can throw weight around with its electoral votes. And lucked out with the 1970s tech boom flourishing in Silicon Valley.

    What say you, Americans? Did I get it right?

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing in Florida; California has tons of natural resources.

    Florida is full of swamps, gators, and Floridians.

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    skeeters and humidity. Also israelites sodom and gomorrah needs to be near deserts to properly channel moloch.

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