Why are women so much weaker than men?

Why are women so much weaker than men? Compared to something like bears, human strength is vastly overrepresented in males.

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    pregnancy consumes a lot of energy so it wouldn't make sense to devote a lot of energy to female physical fitness for, say, warfare when they would be useless for like 6 months. It's better to have women with slow metabolisms so they can weather poor conditions and maximize the chances of a successful pregnancy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Bears are also pregnant.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        bears chose to get large and become apex predators through size to ensure survival, humans chose to become intelligent

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          ...and 2x stronger men than women.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Modern women are weak as frick because they're all terminally online on their phones and inactive. They're all anemic half starved zombies. Women just three generations ago were much stronger as the actually did physical activities around the homestead, like churning butter. There are many men today that wouldn't be able to churn butter

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Men are also weaker today. The ratio actually has been favouring women more in modern times in strength. Stone Age Humans were more dimorphic. See the Gravettian men of Europe, who stood at 6 foot on average, while their women barely came up to 5'2.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            What a nightmare

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            What's a nightmare?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Just put men in charge of reproduction completely

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Like in the Bronze Age. Most males wouldn't breed and only the most successful would. I don't think this is what you want.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That’s putting it mildly. It was something like a 17:1 ratio of incels to breeders. Put males in charge of breeding and all that happens is the wealthy and powerful hoard females for themselves while incels fight and die in their profit wars and never question it because they’re too sexually frustrated to think straight

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Like in the Bronze Age. Most males wouldn't breed and only the most successful would. I don't think this is what you want.

            >reddit myths

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >myths
            We have ancient DNA, the Y-DNA bottleneck obviously happened.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            an MtDNA bottleneck also happened.
            Everyone was more likely to reproduce in the past.

            >everything I don’t like is Reddit
            You have to go back

            go back to where?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >mtDNA bottleneck also happened
            Not really.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            it only happened once when farmoids overran hunter gatherers, most people through history have been peasant families scrabbling about on a plot of land

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You posted the old study which clearly goes against what we know about ancient DNA.

            nstead, our results suggest that R1a-M417(xZ645) was subject to a nonrandom increase in frequency, resulting in these males having 15.79% (4.12 to 44.42%) more surviving offspring per generation relative to males of other Y-haplogroups. We also find that this change in Y chromosome frequency is extreme compared to the changes in allele frequencies at fully covered autosomal 1240k sites (P < 0.0003) within the same males, suggesting a process that disproportionately affected Y-chromosomal compared to autosomal genetic diversity, ruling out a population bottleneck as the likely cause. Our results suggest that the Y-lineage diversity in early CW males was supplanted by a nonrandom process [selection, social structure, or influx of nonlocal R1a-M417(xZ645) lineages] that drove the collapse in Y-chromosomal diversity.

            ...except The Balkans and scandinavia, where native haplos are competing.

            They aren't native. It's the same process. I1 could be native, but the Balkan I2 is of Slavic origin. It wasn't there before the Slavs.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I2 was native and was found in pre steppe farmer communities. I2 being WHG in origin obviously.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Different subclades.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Still WHG in origin though. So native.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >everything I don’t like is Reddit
            You have to go back

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Nah. The incels also periodically follow some leader who promises them mad pussy and rebel against the wealthy elite.

            I think that's why some societies promoted monogamy.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You have around 2 female ancestors for every 1 male ancestor not 17:1

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Those are meme numbers.

            [...]
            That was calculated to have happened some 7000-5000 years BP, so it seems in whatever preceded the bronze age.

            It's based on modern samples and the bottleneck clearly happened later. There was a later study linking it to the expansion of patrilinear clans and calling it post-neolithic bottleneck.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You can even see it here how the Indo-European haplogroups absolutely dominated in Europe and South Asia.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            ...except The Balkans and scandinavia, where native haplos are competing.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That’s putting it mildly. It was something like a 17:1 ratio of incels to breeders. Put males in charge of breeding and all that happens is the wealthy and powerful hoard females for themselves while incels fight and die in their profit wars and never question it because they’re too sexually frustrated to think straight

            Those are meme numbers.
            [...]
            It's based on modern samples and the bottleneck clearly happened later. There was a later study linking it to the expansion of patrilinear clans and calling it post-neolithic bottleneck.

            it only happened once when farmoids overran hunter gatherers, most people through history have been peasant families scrabbling about on a plot of land

            Anons maybe I'm a brainlet but I just can't understand how one can have more female than male ancestors? Or how one can have any more of either sex. Why doesn't it have to be 1:1?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Anons maybe I'm a brainlet but I just can't understand how one can have more female than male ancestors?
            man fricking his daughters

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            wtf

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That’s putting it mildly. It was something like a 17:1 ratio of incels to breeders. Put males in charge of breeding and all that happens is the wealthy and powerful hoard females for themselves while incels fight and die in their profit wars and never question it because they’re too sexually frustrated to think straight

            That was calculated to have happened some 7000-5000 years BP, so it seems in whatever preceded the bronze age.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That’s putting it mildly. It was something like a 17:1 ratio of incels to breeders. Put males in charge of breeding and all that happens is the wealthy and powerful hoard females for themselves while incels fight and die in their profit wars and never question it because they’re too sexually frustrated to think straight

            >put males in charge
            >only some males breed, because all the males are in charge
            That makes absolutely no sense.

            >put females in charge of breeding
            >100% of females breed with the top 20% of men
            >guaranteed sex for females, not for men
            This is the scenario you are thinking of. You're completely backwards.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How about just let men decide who breeds instead of broads.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah that's what the "patriarchy" is. Enforced monogamy benefits males, not females.

            In the scheme that previous poster complained about, they failed to realize that a horde of incels would band together and kill the chad-king. The numbers game favors them, the king can't fight 10 weaker men at once.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Weaker people are naturally subservient.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Not all of them.

            Just look at how your average simp community reacts when their favourite streamer gets a boyfriend. Some people show their subservience to the alpha by proclaiming how happy they are for them and how they will continue to support them, and you have a subset of people that will be furious about it - those are the ones that would stab the guy in his sleep.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Why the frick are you calling prehistoric men incels? The average prehistoric manlet has more testosterone than your entire civilized male lineage combined.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I bet it had something to do with culture of men eating a lot of meat and women eating a lot of plants

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Gravettian diet was mostly meat, men did eat more of it though. I do not think it was a dietary issue.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            What % was meat vs plant? We’re they in ketosis?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >chose

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >esl

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >chose

            Time out of mind, the bears had a Bear Council. They had to make a decision going forward as a species -- size or intelligence?

            They took a vote, and chose size.

            And that's how bears got big. Natural selection at work.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >bears chose to get large and become apex predators through size to ensure survival, humans chose to become intelligent
            Bear paws typed this post

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Unironically, environmental pressures would cause female bears to choose larger and larger partners to ensure that their offspring would also be large and have higher chances of survival

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >bears chose
          >humans chose
          that's not how evolution works

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >chose
          they didn't chose shit homie

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >bears chose to get large and become apex predators through size to ensure survival, humans chose to become intelligent
          Bear paws typed this post

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            cope

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Bad equivalent, are female bears stronger than male bears?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        humans are turbo k-selected, a female brown bear is around 300 lbs and pregnant for 8 months, which includes a hibernation dormancy period, they have litters of cubs weighing 1lb each, there are big differences between bears and humans

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Bears aren’t social creatures.
        Women wouldn’t survive alon, that’s what men are for.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Women don't need a man, chuddie. They can get along without one just fine.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you hate women?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They are weaker than me yet have more rights and are protected by our legal systems.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes but why do you hate women?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They are privileged yet make themselves appear oppressed to climb the ranks unfairly in society, at the cost of civilizational integrity.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            So blame conservative men with their gender roles of females not leftists.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            lmao. show me a leftist who advocates for things inconvenient for women

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Did you reply to the wrong person? Hating women would be implying that they need a man to survive, because they are otherwise too weak.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Did you reply to the wrong person?
            No

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Then you're just moronic. Try and explain what about my post even remotely implied I hate women. I will reiterate: women are strong and capable enough to survive without a man.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Men and women both need each other and men specifically love the fact that women are weaker than themselves

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Men and women both need each other
            That's chud logic. Women have been doing just fine without men. They are not weaker than men.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you hate women?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I don't really. I'm just tsundere.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I don't. You hate women for thinking they are weak.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            An observation is not an indication of hatred. Do you think I hate my dog because I observe that he is stupider than me?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >discussion involving women
            >you waste no time bringing up domesticated animals in comparison to make your argument
            Typical. No wonder you're projecting so hard about hating women.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Men love women for being weaker. If you don't, you either hate women, or you're not a man. Which is it?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes anon, tell us more about how you compare women with animals.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't compare them to animals.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            We're all animals

            Even if women are inferior they should strive to overcome their inherent inferiority.

            >women should become men
            Why?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            but they are
            i could kill my wife with one hand if i wanted to

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            sorry but studies show society crumbles if women gain too much power, hole.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Source?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        female bears live solitarily and have to do everything themselves

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Bears for the most part are solitary animals, so both males and females need to be able to fend for themselves without a pack to back them up.

    Humans are social apes, so each sex is able to rely on the other to better specialize.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > bear
    > average adult male twice as big as average adult female
    What are you talking about?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      OP thought that since mother bears are so aggresive that means they're as strong as males, somehow?

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They should probably did such a study based on ancestry. European Caucasians are highly sexually dimorphic compared to for example Asians.
    I doubt those numbers apply to all races.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >European Caucasians are highly sexually dimorphic
      No they aren't, they're just more masculine. You should look at white women in Utah or Nazi Germany without any make-up.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Testosterone is a super drug. So much so that the Olympics committee is disqualifying women in 800m runs for having too much testosterone than women are allowed to have.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's probably relevant to this, how humans don't got the gorilla moron-strength anymore
    in favour of more precise muscle control, manipulating objects with our hands, etc

    You know like, how a tiny chimp can rip your arm off. Cuz their muscles are simply structured differently

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >You know like, how a tiny chimp can rip your arm off. Cuz their muscles are simply structured differently
      That's Bullshit. Chimps can't even kill grandmas under 30 minutes. A human male could one-shot an elderly person. Chimps are technically AS strong as humans but they are moronic and can't apply ir well. Their best weapons are their teeth.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No, he's actually partially correct. They aren't structured differently, but they do have a much higher muscle density than a human. Their grip strength is also far in excess of humans. The trade off is that chimps lack fine motor skills (they have the motor control of a toddler) and while their muscles are denser they have less total mass. So a human power lifter could lift more raw weight, but a chimp can apply more grip and force in a specific motion.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    a more interesting question is:
    why do some nations have less attractive women than others? given the fact that the europioid is universally considered more attractive, why hasnt it been selected as the standard for all ethnicities?
    is it negative eugenics through arranged marriages? whats the deal?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Less ideal climates for selection

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    women are attracted to big strong men, with males being literal pedophiles.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Bears aren't pack animals so women actually have to hunt for themselves.

    In humans, men can be expected to pull women's weight in exchange for reproduction

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because God didn't design man and woman to be equals.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Even if women are inferior they should strive to overcome their inherent inferiority.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        you just cant do that, liberalBlack person

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Women are inferior, which is why they need men for support. To admit this is to love women. To deny women being inferior is to hate them. israelites have brainwashed you into thinking otherwise, and hating women.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I hate women, I think it's morally corrupt to have an entire class of literal subhumans slaves.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Why should they? If I'm bad at math why should I strive to be equal to a math genius instead of doing something I'm good at?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Not being as physically strong doesn't mean inferior, man and woman have different roles and God designed it this way. God created Eve as an help meet for Adam.

        Rejecting these roles is detrimental, e.g. female cops typically can't overpower a male suspect/perp and can't detain them on their own (or sometimes even with another female cop partner still can't do it), and female firefighters can't carry as much dead weight out of a burning building (and standards have even been lowered to allow more women into physically demanding careers like these). In these two examples, lives are put in danger by the physical weaknesses of women, and in many cases it is their own lives being put in danger by being lied to and misled that they "can do it too" when in reality they simply cannot.

        In pic related, we see women aren't really fit for combat either. It's not sexism to state facts like this, it's just politically and socially inconvenient, but still true. Women typically make better teachers and nurturers and other similar careers or roles, hence why God designed woman to get pregnant and not man. And for most of history, women didn't /have to/ get careers to support themselves, they were supported by their father until given in marriage to a man who would then take care of them. Women in careers are also never as happy as a mother who can spend more time with her children and raise them. It's not like slaving away for some employer is more fulfilling or enjoyable than staying at home and playing with your kids most of the time anyway.

        >God
        >Design
        Free your mind

        Genetic entropy, 2nd law of thermodynamics, laws of information, law of biogenesis, laws of conservation of matter/energy all disprove materialism and materialistic beliefs. The universe had a Creator, life had a Creator, and man had a Creator. Further, the world is littered with real world evidence supporting the history recorded in the Bible. You should actually research that instead of professing yourself wise.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >all disprove materialism and materialistic beliefs
          In what way?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            These are apologetics arguments they are prime moronation. Basically admit they can't prove God so they resort to pseudo science bullshit. If you want to burst a blood vessel look up frank turek.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Men are the best teachers women are dumb animals and your a simp who should commit suicide

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        women aren't "inferior" to men, they are specialized differently
        touch grass, you make everyone saying there are physical differences in gender look like a moronic virgin crybaby

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          If you need laws to keep up with a other group of society you are inferior, no shame in that. Children are inferior to adults, that's why we have laws to protect them. Women are not inferior to men, why didn't the just launch gender equivalent of slave revolts against their male oppressors in a majority of history, instead they took humiliations most slaves wouldn't stand for.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            absolute brainlet take lmao
            the guy who wins a race isn't a superior human to the guy who lost, he's a superior runner
            guy who lost the race might be able to beat the winner at shotput
            inb4 "women are weaker at all sports" it's an analogy

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Superior doesn't mean better at everything but just better overall. Men aren't superior to women because of one thing but many things. Women can do some things (albeit very few) brtter than men.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Inferior in what way? You know difference in strength doesn't mean they should giving less rights.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >God
      >Design
      Free your mind

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Worth noting that women have stronger immune systems (which also results in more autoimmune disorders, particularly since the 20th century because pregnancy mitigates overactive immune systems) and also have lower infant mortality.
    This is one of the reasons why you have more female ancestors/females had more reproductive success; more females actually reached reproductive age. It's not just muh incels.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Men can easily overpower women physically
    >women are allowed to run around and make life into a living hell for everyone
    >”m*n” prevent other Men from preventing it
    How do we deal with the soi problem?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Become a stronger and smarter man

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because men hunt and fight for resources.
    Same reason why male lions are bigger than female.
    Because most male lions hunt alone, so they evolved to be bigger.
    Another theory i've heard is because men can't rape females that are stronger than them or equal, so the only women that managed to reproduce all the time were the weaker ones.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Male lions do not hunt

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Most male lions live alone or in small family groups of brothers and cousins, and yes they do hunt because otherwise they would be dead. Even male lions in prides occasionally hunt, it's more of an issue of spending most of their time patrolling pride territory because those solitary males are constantly testing them to try to replace the resident male once he is too old or injured to fight them off.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Random mutations there is no actual reason why women are weaker

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Physical strength isn't important anymore, like at all.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      its an inherit difference

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It is, for manual labor. And also warfare, land troops are still not outdated and the have to carry and endure a lot of shit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >t. pussy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      t. Brooklyn soi journo

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you comparing humans to bears, instead of our closer relatives? All great ape males are much bigger and stronger than females. Humans are no exception, in fact our gender difference is not nearly so pronounced as theirs.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because we are primates, not bears.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Menbros

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Beaten by a cripple
      Do women really?

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The dimorphism is beyond the physical, google top 100 chess players and start checking them by gender.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The big reason, more than anything else, has to do with male on male competition. In pretty much every species in which males are physically stronger than females, the males compete to a big degree to monopolize females for their own reproduction. This is what human sexual dimorphism is about. Our ancestors were highly competitive about access to their females, though kind of like chimpanzees one group of males would often work to defeat another group of males and take their females. This is different from what you see with gorilla or orangutans, where the males do not cooperate. That is why orangutans and gorilla males are large relative to their females, while the sexual dimorphism with chimpanzees and humans is less crazy.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >The big reason, more than anything else, has to do with male on male competition.
      evolution goes to extreme lengths to keep the gender dimorphism going, to keep females weaker. how can this have anything to do with whether males compete? it would be easier for evolutionary innovations allowing a male to be more successful in aforesaid competition to be applied to both genders; why bother with separation mechanisms? some instances can perhaps be explained away by the fact that there are already a lot of places in the genome which only a male has, and these could easily host the genetic differences, but gene expression is a convoluted mess and relies upon a large part of the genome, most of it common between male and female.
      at some point the ability to rape females was an evolutionary advantage for both the male and the female. actually I would not be surprised if in most animals copulation would feel like rape for the female - cats excepted, their females are prostitutes.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    well it all has to do with our evolutionary roles. Simply put, men evolved for hunting and competition with other men. So a healthy man would have more muscle than a healthy woman. On the flip-side, since women evolved for gathering and birthing, women typically have better color receptors in their eyes and have a higher pain tolerance.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I wish i was born a women this world is pure hot garbage

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I like sticking auberinges up my ass, I figure it would be neat to have a vagoo to stick it in too

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