Why are transwomen so submissive? I don't mean in a sexual way, I mean how a lot of transwomen online seem to just want to submit and be told what to do by a man.
I'm bi but any relationship like that is just a total turnoff to me...
LULZ / LGBTQ
Why are transwomen so submissive?
i assume it's because of how they see themselves as social outcasts and wish they could be accepted and many of them think that their natural place is submission, that or their issues make them powerless to dom
100% describes me accurately
i'm also alone and scared and just want somebody to hold me and call me a good girl sometimes, even though i can't even call myself one.
generally speaking all women need a strong caring loving man no matter how radical feminists deny it
not true, i need a strong caring loving woman, no matter how chasoids deny it
Based. This actually what almost every trans woman wants. The only tranners who really want a man are the ones fetishizing BBC
> The only tranners who really want a man are the ones fetishizing BBC
You're just surrounded by perverts
I want a decent caring man and Idgaf about his dick size or skin color. He just needs to fill the male gender role properly so I can feel safe with him
>this is your brain on meta-attraction
I gave multiple reasons why males are better. Why would I choose a woman?
No you didn't. You gave multiple reasons why a very specific man who satisfies your gender expectations based on meta-attraction is better. Your ideas of a what a man ought to be just screams of toxic masculinity, patriarchy and transphobia.
>Your ideas of a what a man ought to be just screams of toxic masculinity, patriarchy and transphobia.
this is just what women are attracted to lol
I am not against strong and caring woman, but strong and caring man is just better:
>no saggy tits, no gross vagina
>has deep strong voice
>taller and stronger
>just more masculine than you, validates your feminity, agp and meta attraction
>there are way more strong and caring males than females
>malebrained, so more common hobbies
>more malebrained than you, so no dysphoria that you are too malebrained/not fembrained enough
>has a cock so can fuck you
>men are often just look more attractive than foids, if they care for their looks
>men are often just look more attractive than foids, if they care for their looks
it's a meme. men are prohibited from using makeup and faking their height. becoming a gymcel to compensate your height (which is infinitely more important than in women) only makes you look like a clown. 99% of male attractiveness is genes.
>becoming a gymcel to compensate your height only makes you look like a clown
>99% of male attractiveness is genes
This. I've posted my body here a few times and some people commented it was hot but once they find out I'm only 5'7 they lose all interest.
I am talking about men who won genetic lottery and still care for themselves.
Anyway, I'd date fashionable cute cis pooner despite his height. I even know a few of them, but they are straight and I am boymoder (and autistic and ugly) 🙁
> Your ideas of a what a man ought to be just screams of toxic masculinity, patriarchy and transphobia.
Lol how? I hate toxic masculinity and all this showing off, competitiveness, female objectifation, etc. Not wanting to date incels doesnt make me sexist and misogynist.
>If a man is not tall, handsome, masculine, strong and deep voiced gigachad he is an incel
This is exactly the toxic masculinity you keep imposing on men. Only reason you're even using the word incel is to signal how unfit and undesirable the men outside the expected gender representation are.
Never said cis women aren't affected by it. Feminists are one of the biggest hypocrites when it comes to that. They are aware of all the garbage, keep virtue signaling against it but won't change their own behaviour to stop perpetuating those harmful ideals.
>This is exactly the toxic masculinity you keep imposing on men.
I don't think you know what toxic masculinity is lol. Masculinity is about competition by it's nature. There are always gonna be winners and losers, and blaming women for not being attracted to inadequacy is kinda silly.
If you choose to enforce toxic masculinity on men then it's kinda silly trying to get rid of it or say you hate it. There is absolutely no reason or need for that kind of competitiveness in modern society.
>attracted to inadequacy
It's only inadequacy because you choose to value those toxic aspects just like most cis women. Why do you want to devalue men who don't fit into your narrow and socially constructed box?
Toxic masculinity isn't women having standards, it's men taking positive masculine traits too far. Some women encourage it but it's something done by and enforced by men.
>If you choose to enforce toxic masculinity on men
I don't? I try to be there for my male friends cause they don't seem to have anyone else.
>It's only inadequacy because you choose to value those toxic aspects just like most cis women.
It's inadequacy because they're failing to be as masculine as other men. If a guy can convince my monkey brain he could protect me and my offspring from a lion that's a turn on. I didn't choose that, that's how humans have found mates since forever, it's all instinct.
>Toxic masculinity isn't women having standards, it's men taking positive masculine traits too far.
So what's women taking feminine traits too far?
Toxic femininity/wombyn, shit like "if you had a C-section you aren't a real mom, you didn't experience birth so you don't understand motherhood"
Huh, sounds extremely like essentialist TERF thinking
terf = toxic feminism
>Toxic masculinity isn't women having standards
>failing to be as masculine as other men
It's women choosing to value men based on those narrow traits that breeds toxicity. Women are literally setting the standard for masculinity and they choose to set it around toxic masculinity.
>If a guy can convince my monkey brain
Use your rational brain. I refuse to believe you just see women as pitiful animals incapable of having their own agency.
>that's how humans have found mates since forever, it's all instinct
Humans have fought wars, oppressed women and raped since forever, it's all instinct. Are you also advocating for that?
>men choose women basing on their monkey brain preference for young, healthy, visually attractive breeadable and feminine women
>it's ok! Only stupid terfs complain about that because they are fat and ugly!
>women choose men basing on their monkey brain preference for strong, tall and masculine men
>REEEEEE YOU CANT DO THAT YOU REINFORCE TOXIC MASCULINITY ON POOR MEN. USE YOUR RATIONAL BRAIN TO CHOOSE PARTNER!!!1!
Anyway, women are way more rational in choosing partners. Only thing males looks at are visual attractiveness, whereas women also consider personality and social status. Women dont like giant high t muscle orges with no empathy for example, they would prefer a bit feminine male because he will care for their kids and not just leave her to fuck other women.
But why would woman choose failed male or incel? It's not only gross, but also just irrational.
>prefer a bit feminine male because he will care for their kids and not just leave her to fuck other women
lol wtf? Femininity is when family and masculinity is when leaving your partner? That's also pretty funny coming from a tranny
Toxic masculinity be like:
>OOGAA BOOGA BIG MUSCLE WORK OUT BEAT AND FIGHT WITH WEAKER MEN PICK UP CHICKS AND SHOW OFF HOW POWEFUL YOU ARE
And guess what? Women dont like apes who value them only as fuck material.
It's not my words of stupid tranny, I am almost ace a bit meta-attracted malebrained being, this is what actual women are into:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/attraction-evolved/201712/why-certain-women-prefer-man-whos-more-feminine
>It's women choosing to value men based on those narrow traits that breeds toxicity
The toxicity comes from reframing mentally stable behavior as weak, like showing emotions or not treating other people like objects. Do you think it's women as a whole consciously choosing to select for traits that treat them like shit, or the sociopathic elites glorifying their behavior and other men trying to emulate them the way we always do with rich people?
>Use your rational brain
Believe me, I'd much rather be a volcel, but that's not happening lol. I literally don't have agency in who I'm attracted to, and it is pitiful and bestial, but I can't do anything about it so I'm just gonna enjoy it.
>Are you also advocating for that?
Love is different from hate.
height is incredibly important for women's attractiveness.... I'll always be ugly because I'm a heighthon
well i personally don't care, wherever love is, i think you should look it up and be happy
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>picrel
I'm guilty of it too
I wonder what the original meant
She's basically eating grass. I think that's the joke.
You could use some grass too
After being betrayed by every source of authority in your life from the moment you are born, having to take destiny into your own hands by transitioning, and typically becoming an independent adult well before the average person, the comfort of letting your guard down and totally submitting to someone is incredibly appealing to many trans women.
I am submissive only in bed. Outside bed I am bratty af and will do what you tell only if I think it's right thing to do.
But also this sometimes:
Sometimes I want just to not decide anything and just live and be happy and let my bf decide what to do and feel safe with him.
Woman are inherently submissive. Trannies are no different. The only real difference is trannies lean into there female tendencies and dont fight them on some empowered woman bs.
But dont get it twisted woman are just as much submissive pieces of garbage.
If you dont like that men are about your only option.
>Woman are inherently submissive
shit like this makes me think i'm not really trans
The only thing that makes you trans is taking HRT. Trannies and woman are TYPICALLY submissive, not all of them are.
Dont let that worry you, besides trannies have some male fiery spirit left in them, esp if they started HRT after puberty. It varies how much but we all have a little left.
Not being trained to be a docile houseplant from birth does that to you
Yes I imagine it is our saving grace, having some male socialization. I dont think it's bad to have some male attributes or sensibilities.
We are what we are either way.
MtFs are more independent and FtMs are more chill, at least after the babytrans stage. Kind of ironic how getting raised as the opposite gender usually pushes us further into gender roles after transitioning though
>male fiery spirit
I never really had much of that to begin with
That's what I was saying, it really varies. Some of us just dont exactly have a foundation of male tendencies to start with, and never develop much of any either before transition.
It might be kind of strange, but I just figured why wouldn't we lean into the direction of what's comfortable and more natural to us, after a life of having to conform to an even more alien gender role.
But I have found what you say about mtf's and ftm's to be about right. Though I have met many pooners I would never describe as anything resembling chill lol.
I'm a repressed tranny that might troon out eventually and I don't have much of a fiery spirit at all. Sometimes I can fly off the handle when certain things upset me but overall I'm really calm and nice and more prone to stereotypically feminine responses to things that upset me, like being passive aggressive or poking at people or guilt tripping. My girlfriend is cis and she's way more fiery than I am and will have straight up outburts breaking things and screaming sometimes.
It feels good being submissive to a man idk why
I don't get it outside of a purely sexual context or setting. kinda baffling why ppl do but ig I'm not in their heads
I want to be a pillar woman and pile driver-69 people
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not a man :3 a goddess for me )* <3
and my gf or love of my life or any girl i love, my existence must be devoted to them so i can venerate my goddess, but im a switch and not always subby, i dont really like the term, i prefer the word "offering" maybe? connotations mean too much to my autistic brain
explain? what connotations?
in the case of this thread "man"is just more dysphoria enducing, in the case of "submit" it implies a external force while "offer" does not, a reciever vs a dominator
i feel like i want a better word than that ill post again if i find one
I was always subby even before hormones, I wish people valued submission more because if I trust you enough to give that much control over me it's because I trust and like you a lot