They are dangerous as fuck.
They don't even have good range.
The lithium for the batteries is more toxic than gas, far more limited, and the process to extract it is environmentally nightmarish.
They all look fucking weird.
And they aren't even cheap. Fucking $7k for a bicycle with a battery and a motor and they're saying this is a deal.
The shilling has been insane and concentrated entirely in the last 2 years.
What's going on here?
LULZ / Misc
For $7,300USD you should just buy a proper motorcycle instead of a s.oyboy electric bike.
That's the most ridiculous part. You are spending 5-7k to look like an enormous homosexual. And these bikes are 60 pounds so a n-word will just steal it.
For 7k you can get a brand new KLR650 and ride around the whole fucking world.
plus you ain't going to find any charging stations in the ROW for a homosexual e-bike.
Everyone I see riding these scooters has this haircut. So I think being a massive homosexual goes with the territory.
>60 lbs
For the one in the pic, try 150 lbs...checked the spec on their website. Ridiculous
it is ridiculous. i can barely even hold mine up. so heavy.
you looks stupid on a road bike in the first place
ive really been thinking about a dual sport. used tho. any tips?
THIS
You see some one riding that and you know you want to drive them in to a ditch.....in Minecraft.
You cant get two wheel drive (for climbing steep terrain) and quiet from any gas powered engine.
https://electrichuntingbike.com/best-2-wheel-drive-electric-bike/
>You cant get two wheel drive
You were saying?
>Posts a bike that never went into production
Why doesn't pol own a nip made on/off road xt250?
Innawoods or in da hood doesn't matter
>in da hood
.....and its gone
>xt250
nah, wr250r master race here. With a set of knobbies and a set of SM wheels it is fun on trails and streets. Still not as fun off road as my husky though, but does surprisingly well.
Why the fuck would you want a quiet motorcycle, you want chicks to look at you.
>climbing sustained steep terrain fast on a motorbike
This is dangerous whether the bike is 2WD or not. Probably the reason those 2WD trailbikes went nowhere. Bumps are not a problem with one wheel drive.
Look up Rokon motorcycles, dummy
I have. They are cool offthegrid bug out bikes, but you arnt going to sneak up on a deer with one. Electric are silent. Youll never get that ever from a gas vehicle. The only down side to electric is range and the rare unlikely preppers fear of total power grid failure.
>You cant get two wheel drive (for climbing steep terrain)
How steep of terrain are you trying to climb? I ride my dirt bikes on single track trails and any time I’ve felt a climb was too steep it was because of my high center of gravity, not a loss of traction.
Yeah you are correct, the shape of a bike and your high center of gravity is the limiting factor on climbing. I have multiple ebike bikes, rear wheel, mid hub, and tried to add a front wheel to the mid hub but it was as t good.
If you wanna go up hill on ebike or regular bike you can only do much. Two wheel drive really doesn’t help and would be too much for the average person. Maybe some extreme mountain biking enthusiast can utilize it in a way that helps them but I found it worse than single motor - for control - which is infinity more important than power.
I have an unthrotted fat tire bike that I’ve gotten up to 50 mph and two with limiters, a fat tire that can go to 30ish mph and a pedal assist only light town bike thst can go 25.
But no matter which I’m riding I’m usually only cruising around at a casual 15-20 mph because it feels most comfortable, wind wise, shock wise, and response time wise. Only picking up speed for fun when safe. Anyone who doesn’t ride this way, the normal/sane way, deserves what happens.
At least with an electric bike you're not confined to riding on the road and you don't have to pay for petrol and insurance
You're not confined to riding on the road on a motorcycle either, n-word. Add mirrors and lights, and a license plate and you can take this anywhere.
Try taking a shortcut through the park with that insufferable amerimutt
or jumping a red light zionist goy
>You can do illegal and stupid shit on a bicycle
And you wonder why people hate cyclists and refuse to give them bike lanes
>At least with an electric bike you're not confined to riding on the road and you don't have to pay for petrol and insurance
it will change once its gets popular anon. Thats how government works, more regulations
that is for one temporary. 2. it is by design. they want you hooked on these instead of gas munching big boy cars or whatever. because they know that in the future oil will be to scarce and valuable for you.
You dumb cunt.
NSW is already formulating an e tax for traveling without paying fuel excise.
You are just the tip of the dumb-berg cunt.
this. plus you probably can't ride that thing in the flow of traffic because not enough acceleration, no brake lights, etc., you've gotta use the bicycle lane on the side of the lane and have cars fly past you from behind.
they hit 0-60 in a few seconds and thats the cheap ones
Normal e bikes cost around 100 bucks
>Normal e bikes cost around 100 bucks
100 bucks and your dignity
Yeah, a chink ebike can cost 800 dorra, so if you really want that the luxury shit is pointless
Still if you want cheap shit you can just buy 50cc scooter ffs.
i cant believe there is no private small company in u.s. that adds electric engine and batter to bikes
or some cheap effective models for 1000/1500 $
if you are younger than 60 the idea of electric bike is retarded , unless you actually using it to get to work , faster , in trafick filled city
Fucking lawyers ruin everything here
bikes are too heavy to retro fit
you wouldn't get the speed or cost efficiency
>s.oyboy
here you go ꜱoyboy
cope and paste it in your pasta txt file like i do
>ꜱoyboy
ꜱoyboy
enjoy not having any fuel to ride it in 7 years
Yes, but you won't be able to use it to go anywhere when they finally destroy the gas and diesel markets. You can charge those up off of your solar panels.
E bikes are really nice, especially the MTB ones.
It's risky as hell when you have to rely on other drivers not doing stupid shit that can result in your death.
Dude, just buy a car.
How much are you planning on paying for has 3 years from now? 20€/l?
motorcyclists are the n-wordhomosexuals of road users. They are insanely loud, dangerous, and dress in leather. Not all, but most. If you have an expensive bike that makes almost no sound or a nice sound and you drive it within the speed limit (especially in urban built up areas) then I have no problem with you. Otherwise you are a n-word homosexual and I would take a cyberpunk e-scooter ubermensch over your boomer "Look at me, I'm so macho, teehee" retardation any day.
E-bikes cost $600 and a regular bike costs $100. You're telling us to buy a motorcycle for $7,000. Do you people honestly believe all the shit other idiots throw up on here? Some of you are basing your political opinions on one single luxury item that costs way more than others in its category. All on the basis of a screen cap (per the usual for LULZ).
Bro ebike range from kits for a couple hundred bucks to luxury 30,000+ ones
Same with regular bikes. I can get one at Walmart or u can get specialized bikes that cost tens of thousands of dollars.
Same with cars. All these vehicles have huge range in price of options right for anybody.
You are making the false assumption that price is all that matters. Bikes are considered luxury goods in the first world, not necessities, so price will reflect the wide range of options, from cheap to obnoxious.
Dunno why you third worlders get so hung up on this concept. It’s not exclusive to America. Luxury goods markets exist even in your poor fag countries.
Let the retards kill themselves, most bike accidents are from electric bikes, the fags have the arrogance of a regular cyclist but are going 60 mph doing it.
War on cars.
I normally just throw those e scooters in the middle of the road at night. Fuck em.
I throw them into the Yarra river
https://www.9news.com.au/national/jump-by-uber-new-ebikes-users-to-be-banned-for-vandalism/061a8e63-cafa-4ad1-aaac-1203e5551cbf
Based. But what's with all those bumps made out of concrete?
that's a riveted bridge.
Oh, thought it was some aussie thing to get people to fall in the water lol
called rivets you dumb n-word
Never seen one bitch
concrene nipples they will excrete concrene if you suck on them
yes this is how is concrete made
>I throw them into the Yarra river
Sounds like a safe and perfectly legal activity.
What a homosexual reply
>The bikes will cost $1 to unlock, and 30 cents per minute to ride. They can hit speeds of 25 kilometres an hour.
small wonder
Based, fuck those things.
My drug addict neighbour steals these bikes all the time. I see him every week with a different one and other random cars, so he's obviously funding his meth habit that way.
i'm gonna make my own i think. have an old bicycle in the garage. reckon i'll steal some of those public scooters for batteries and motors.
On Amazon you can buy a push bike engine that runs on gasoline for $169USD.
You might need to get a motorcycle license if you want to take it on the road.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/265209816501
Battery not included
It's above 50cc so you would need a license but you would also need to put signals on it to make it street legal. Or just ride it on the sidewalk and hope cops just let it slide since no one regulates bikes.
If you have an exhaust that keeps it fairly quiet doubt anyone would ever say anything, though I think they might be loud as fuck by default
>Cops can into cubic centimeters
I mean, I need one if I care to declare it.
hell of a lot of cops are car guys, and car guys can into cubics
>so how big is that engine anon?
>>50 cc officer
>you were going pretty fast. can you prove that it's only 50 cc?
and that's the story of how anon lost his moped
I’ve never had a cop ask me about any of my ebikes. I’ve actually gone up to some and asked them questions about what they know about ebikes when I’ve seen them look at mine. Most admit they don’t even know/care about ebikes or the laws around them and basically tell me “just ride safe and responsibly and give pedestrians right of way and you should be fine”
Unless you look like a criminal or a n-word or something cops aren’t going to give a shit about some white man riding his bike. Most will wave to me. Just stop being poor and not white.
I think the process of conversion would be easy but has anyone got a youtube video handy? Those DIY tutorials are peak comfort watching.
Have fun dying when it inevitably comes apart as your flying down the road. There's a reason it only costs $160 and only teenagers and homeless ride those things
cops don't care unless you are fucking around annoying people
you could prove it in a court of law if it came to that but it wouldnt
the 4 stroke are much quieter, get that instead, hell get a harbor freight 212 cc for $150 and put that on it, you can then take it on the highway
but srsly most standard bike brakes wear out in a day riding at 30mph you'll need a disc to make this safe
>$7300
It's like when those homosexuals got into tiny homes for $100k
goes with the 1k apple phone and 50k tesla.
>7300 for a trendy bike with an electric motor in it
>same people who are buying the cuck bike also cant afford inflation
They will never learn.
>$7300
Dude you can get a pretty fuckin nice motorcycle for that price.
You get like 4-5 very nice motorcycles for that price, lol.
There's so many good motorcycles for that price. Any brand new 300-400cc motorcycle will cost less than that and be much much better.
E-bikes aren't even fully electric bikes (which would basically be electric motorcycles) and instead these stupid things just assist you with pedaling the bike and make it feel easier.
Of all the hipster nonsense.
Not all of them. Some have throttles.
>Of all the hipster nonsense.
It extends their range by making them "assist" bikes, but more importantly it they are legally considered bikes instead of motorcycles, so you dont need to make them street legal or have a license and can ride them in the street or sidewalk.
>hipster
no more of this word pls, can't stand it, it doesn't mean anything anymore. those people don't even exist anymore
>these stupid things just assist you with pedaling the bike and make it feel easier.
>Of all the hipster nonsense.
hahahaha wtf? holy fuck thats even gayer than i thought
Both types exist moron.
Ebikes with JUST peddal assist
Ebikes with JUST a throttle
And
Ebikes with both
What? That’s not even true. I have an ebike. I don’t need to pedal at all.
Idiot
I got a street bike that can go up to 180 mph for 1,000 tho lmao
Ebikes are heavy as fuck and don’t have the power to compensate for the weight and allow them to be nimble. If you’re using a bike as a means of transportation in an urban area agility is the key to keeping yourself safe as you never know when you’re gonna have to quickly adjust and move out of the way of a car door, pedestrian walking out from behind a car, someone turning right without looking etc. Ebikes are retarded as a transportation option and are just toys for homosexuals with weak legs.
This is not true at all. Ebikes might have a lil extra weight but they are just as maneuverable and agile as a typical bike. You’re retarded talking out your ass bro.
EVs are fun as fuck.
I’m building a frame for a small EV similar to the ariel atom.
It’s my favorite hobby. 6000w mid drive on a mountain bike is insanely fun. Dangerous as all hell but that’s what makes it such a blast.
I’m not a believer in the utopian future of ev but it’s a great thing to tinker with. I also really enjoy telling green energy fanatics about how often I go through batteries and what they cost. Priceless entertainment.
You can get a dui on a bike, a skateboard, or even a horse.
>horse
but noone will realistically even stop or detain you. you could fall asleep and provided you've brought the horse along your route to the pub a few times he'll find his way home and make some noise to get you to open the barn door.
Ebikes are awesome, you oldfags.
what do you recommend
Idk, I have been looking into getting one for my kiddo. All the kids here in SoCal ride around on these things. I'd like him to have the opportunity to do so before the government regulates the shit out of them (yes, kids do get hurt on them, but kids do dumb shit no matter what they have at their disposal).
I was going to just try and find one under 1k, and hunt around on Craigslist/used ebay/etc. for one. They are crazy expensive, but their are some nice ones under 1k, especially used.
start with a buttplug then work your way up to getting fucked in the ass by homeless people. A few months of that and you're ready for your first ebike
>It's a bike without agility, light weight, or the benefit of exercise
>It's a motorcycle without range, availability of gas, safety of using gear, power, or making you look cool
E-bikes are literally the worst of both worlds and on top of everything you look like a homosexual.
The old addage used to be that it's like a motorcycle you can bring inside, but now most apartments and condos ban people from bringing them inside because the batteries are known to explode.
Because zooming around without peddling is so much gayer than zooming around while peddling. They go for unde 1k. Check craigslist.
Honestly, they are kind of going to be the next thing, whether you like it or not, based off of what all the children "have to have."
Those e-bikes hit 30mph and people rude them with a t-shirt and no helmet. People will die.
Kids used to zoom around on motorbikes all the time. Those went just as fast. Yes, they do need to wear protection when they ride.
in my country helmets are only required for 50cc mopeds since the 2000s or so. 4KW output and below still don't require a helmet. Cyclists with helmets only encourage more dangerous behaviour.
I figure I could use it to dodge drunk driving laws
>Caring about looking "cool" infront of the normies
Why are you such an insecure pussy? The only real issue you've touched on is range.
Battery tech is a joke. Wireless power is the real way of doing it. But they don't want us having flying cars.
I wouldn't want normies having wireless power tech.
This. I own this, paid $1800 for it, and use it on vacations to get around. Great on rides in national parks like Yosemite. My wife and I have a blast on our bikes.
Slide thread btw. 4 letter anagram of "ages"
better not catch you in wrightsville beach driving your fag mobile around, BOY!
this. there's so many shitty takes in this thread by guys who know nothing about ebikes
>this. there's so many shitty takes in this thread by guys who know nothing about x
Welcome to all of LULZ
>Ebikes are awesome, you oldfags.
Ironically, I only ever see fat boomers on ebikes.
Because there's no more cars but the garden gnomes still want you to get to your wageslave job
Because they are E-tarded
Seriously, just get a 250cc motorcycle, you'll have more power than e-bike, for cheaper, and they get insane MPG.
And they're about 2/3rds the price of this shit.
Even motorcycles that aren't fuel-efficient get 40mpg. They're great.
Pic related: my dream bike. 1800ccs and it still gets 40mpg
>1800ccs
That'd be too much for my buttplug friendo, I'll stay on my grom.
>Dream bike is a suzuki cruiser
Ngmi
It's like a Honda Goldwing, but for young people not turbo boomers
I'm young and think Goldwings are pretty sweet. Plus the fairings and windshield are really nice at highway speeds.
The new Goldwings actually have too much technology. The amount of buttons is ridiculous and there are more functions than on many cars. It's intimidating and silly. But they are really cool to ride. The engine is sick and they are surprisingly nimble. The 80s ones are the best looking and they can be had for cheap. Many old people bought them and then died so there are tons with less than 50k miles for $2k that just need a carb cleaning and some electrical fixes and they're in top shape again for like $1k in fixes. The power delivery is smooth as hell, the engine is giant, and the size of the bike is something you don't get until you're on it though so it's not for young people.
If you want to be a turbo boomer get a harley. If you want something economical get a 250cc or similar.
Theres literally no upside to buying a third-rate cruiser like that
I cant really make fun since I ride a 250 baby ninja anyways
>t.has never dealt with how complex building a lithium pack is
>it's like a Honda Goldwing for young people
You have the taste of a 53 year old unmarried, childless man that visits a pool house 2-3x a week and still wears fingerless gloves.
Pollutes like a cunt and so is getting phased out like all small combustion motors in the USA.
Get ready to electric homosexual, its what the masters want us to do.
I have multiple ebikes, and motorcycles (and a dirt bike), and multiple cars.
They aren’t al just interchangeable and “this one is clearly better than this one.” They all have different uses, are allowed in different places/roads/trails, and have different ‘best speeds’. For casual, slow, fun rides ebikes are great. Imagine trying to ride your motorcycle around at 10-15 mph through a crowded area or on a l riverside bike trail. You wouldn’t
/shouldn’t do that anymore than you would take your ebike on the highway or use it to go to Costco.
You poor people/third worlders/shutins seem to be under the false assumption that people can only have ONE vehicle and it will be your only mode of transportation. That’s retarded. Most people able to shell out 1500+ on an ebike likely already have a normie car and are getting a bike for fun, as an option, not to replace their car. Maybe 1 in 10000 homosexuals who buy an ebike are virtue signaling libtards who give up their car and 99.9% of normies aren’t doing that. It’s a false image you have in your head.
stfu homosexual you're insufferable
Triggered third world et who has to choose between walking and taking the bus who seethes at Americans able to spend his yearly wage on ebikes to have for fun. COPE.
Says the memeflag posting gore. have a nice day Moshe.
>Imagine trying to ride your motorcycle around at 10-15 mph through a crowded area
KYS you insufferable homosexual. Wheeled transportation has no business being in pedestrian areas.
Ok well the beachside boardwalk/bike trail in my town disagrees. Full of people on bikes, skates, and even segways use the path alongside pedestrians just fine. You’re regarded if you think I mean drive this on a city sidewalk full of people where it’s illegal.
My whole point was that ebikes are socially acceptable to use in a wide range of places no motorcycle or gas powered vehicle would be and that’s one of the appeals of the ebikes. I can explore and experience different places than I can on my dirt bike.
You can explore with your feet, homosexual
They want everyone living on top of each other in favelas where you cant get away from or ignore them. The outdoors and open spaces will be for the elite only.
Gas prices I would guess. The ones I've seen are around $800. I didn't realize they were that pricey.
A fucking what? Literally never seen it till now nice indirect advertising, cunt
>And they aren't even cheap. Fucking $7k for a bicycle with a battery and a motor and they're saying this is a deal.
Aren't used motorcycles cheaper than this?
NEW motorcycle are way cheaper. You can get a 250cc sport for half of this e-bike's price.
You can get a lot of riding condition motorcycles used for around $2k and some absurd fixer upper deals for $1k. For $4k you can get a ton of amazing 250cc motorcycles and for $7k you can get some sick ones.
Lazy homosexuals can't even pedal a bike. Pathetic.
>What if you could pretend to exercise with out actually moving your body?
You can peddle and use the battery. These things are super fast sometimes, which makes them even kewler.
People on e-bikes are getting killed in my city so they're not really taking off.
They come flying up the side at impossible bicycle speeds and get rekd on the corner when a truck turns, we've had at least 12 deaths in the last year
lol that fucking owns, are a lot of people getting them without getting a motorcycle license or something?
The bikes are unregulated so almost no one on an e-bike has even touched a motorbike
Yea nobody has a motorbike license, and lots of old women get them and crash because they can't control a 2 tiny wheeled piece of shit at 60kmph while wearing pushbike helmets driving all over the place like they do in a car
fyi the average battery cost in 18650 cells for a bike like that is 75 dollars
just laugh at retards overpaying for what they dont understand
Bullshit. I build my own battery packs and have never spent less than 400. Get into the higher volt ranges and it’s easy to spend $1000 just on cells.
No one will afford cars soon.
I don't know, they look like they have their uses.
>Low IR signature compared to ICE vehicles
>Quiet
>No plates or registration
>Good for when you're too exhausted to pedal or just need to save your energy
Iraqi insurgents would have killed to get their hands on one of these instead of those rice burners.
This is such a scam, all the parts for this bike is found on aliexpress and cost under 3000
I paid like $800 for an ebike. it goes up to 20mph on its own, I can get it going about 25 peddeling on flat land and 28-29 downhill. i sell a lot of shit online so I use it to drop stuff off at the post office. its also just nice to cruise around on, makes me feel like a kid again. I like it.
What this person said.
I paid $1600 for mine. I ride it everyday to and from work. 4 miles each way. It’s fucking fun. And some times its even faster than driving my car
It's a molecule of threat to our car nation. It must be obliterated less our population gets healthier and cheaper.
Not only would it hurt the car industry, but medical too. Too many engrained structures to allow inovation. It's time for stagnation and profit consolidation. Hard times are coming, but only for us.
>I didn't buy a car
>instead i payed 10x price for a $700 bicycle.
>For less money
>60-75 mpg
>Can go anywhere, as long as you have the skill and appropriate tires.
>Goes 70-80mph not a faggy 25
>Will last hundreds of thousands of miles with minimal operating cost.
>60-75 mpg
Ebikes get ~2k mpge.
a Sur Ron at 30mph or so gets around 380mpg.. only issue is it only has 20 miles of range that speed. I would say the biggest issue with a high powered ebike is range. ..although a tiny battery like that you should be able to charge it back up quickly even on 120v
Can you get the noise from one of these down to the level of an idling car? Seems like a lot of these are kind of loud.
Most road versions are quiet but noise = safety.
e-bike people get hit because you can't see em and you can't hear em.
>Most road versions are quiet but noise = safety
I expect that to change soon
Uhm. Well, with a car the engine is totally enclosured and you have a layer of soundproofing foam between you and the engine. Additionally cars have a longer run for the exhaust pipe. So for the driver, a motorcycle will almost certainly be louder. That said, mine isn’t even close to obnoxious unless I’m wide open without a helmet.
In terms of the neighbors and whatnot… it’s not a Harley. It doesn’t make loud noises unless I’m really on the gas. Some bikes are much more quiet than others.
Top tier asset to have in a boogaloo/crisis too
How much would one of these run me?
My car is breaking down and I gotta consider getting a new one but I don't have money to blow on a new car. I'm considering a motorcycle at least for when it's not snowing because they're so much cheaper.
A new Yamaha would be $10k and daily commuting on a dirtbike would be fucking shit.
A single guy could put it in the bed of his truck and drive away.
The oil needs to be changed constantly, the clutch-slip is designed for off road along with the sprockets and its fucking SHIT to dd a dirtbike.
Unless it's a dual-sport deal but get something with a road riding focus first.
Trying to sumo-convert a dirtbike is a fucking moneypit.
Yeah I probably wouldn't get a dirtbike for dd. Something more like a street bike. But I took a look at Yamaha's site and getting a motorcycle for less than 10k is awfully appealing.
All POC and women should be required to ride these
ffs just buy a used scooter for ~$2,000.
yes, they look gay but they're cheap af to run and have the most storage space you can get for something with two wheels.
Fuel is going to get very expensive to force people to do just that. It's not such a bad idea. Smaller vehicles need to dominate over cars for it to work.
$2000 would be a good price tops. People riding those for local travel is totally doable compared to cars. Cars need too much electricity when they charge.
7k would buy me a nice toyota camry
Free tip: running free
Dude my downhill bike is almost $8k those ebikes are at a good price point. Specialized bikes are at the same or more expensive if you get the extended battery.
And they don't come with pedals wtf
Yeah Anon, that E-Bike is a rip off.
You can get an electric motor for your bicycle, slap that on, and have something that performs with and without power, not to mention a whole lot safe, and it recharges when going down hill.
All for a price cheaper than $7k
If you want to throw down $10k you can get a recumbent trike and rig that son of a bitch to go 80 mph.
Buy a Grom. $3500 and gets 110 MPG
It's just a little too small
it is small but its not uncomfortable. Im 6'2" and I've ridden it pretty long distances quite comfortably. Stock seat sucks but its simple to upgrade that. Great round the town bike. small size can also be a plus if you live in places like Commiefornia and can lane filter through traffic.
I checked it out and like everything about it except for the physical size. I feel like Id be too big for the bike and Im a manlet
125cc is also pretty underpowered. IIRC Groms top out at 50 mph. 80 kph which is under highway speeds.
Or buy a Bonnie and get 60-70 mpg while not looking like a doofus.
from bike you go to e-bike from e-bike to vaccine passport e-bike and normal bikes will be outlawed
they cant have the goyim moving about
needs both geared hub motor and middrive gearing to cover all realistic modes efficiently - making it too heavy/expensive to be considered more practical over petrol bikes. but whatever, powerful ebikes are like a leisure craft status symbol, no one who needs max transport millage reaches for them.
>"just" 7,300 for a bike with a battery with a range of "200" miles
Why the fuck would anyone spend that amount of money on that? The range is ok I guess, but that's likely theoretical with best conditions. And likely much shorter than that if you're not a gay skeleton with nothing being carried.
If you're that worried about you somehow countering India and China doing like 75% of global pollution, go move to India and do something there to reduce pollution like getting them to recycle shit.
Its worse then that, as you say its ideal conditions but its beyond whats even realistic, they did the guiness world record indoors on a smooth velodrome track, with a professional athlete wearing aero gear, with narrow high psi tyres, correct temp for the battery to work optimally etc etc, and the speed was limited to 15mph. There isn't much point having a strong dirt bike style construction like the stealth bomber clones have if you are only doing 20mph most of the time, which is what you need to do to be able to go more than 50 miles on an e-bike on one charge, and typically these batteries take 5 to 8 hours to charge. Delfast used a huge battery to partially overcome those limitations, hence why its so expensive, if that battery breaks or has to be replaced, or anything else breaks, its very expensive.
Thats why my newest design is more like what Sasha Kreosan used, alloy frame hardtail gravel bike with a triangle battery in the middle with a second smaller battery on the rear rack.
Multiple batteries is the way. I have 3 bikes that use the same batteries and have 8 or the batteries, keep an extra strapped on a bike if I’m going far.
Sounds like a good choice.
I built mine around an ally xc hardtail with fast rolling tyres.
>They are dangerous as fuck.
for (you)
Weird thing is you can get actual electric motorcycles for not much more so I don't know why you'd pay the same for an electric bike.
>$7000 for a bicycle
kek
Suzuki Vstrom. Love it. About 55-60 mpg.
people hoping to not end up needing to walk to work panic buy them
so they advertise them more, to sell more shit to retard biden voters
>Aaahhhhh, I'm CONSOOOOMING
They don't give a shit about the environment, they just want you to consoom. Unless you're the fattest of fat fucks a normal bike will get you everywhere you need to go with very little effort. If you maintain your bike well it will last a lifetime and the cost of maintenance is very low. On top of that a normal bike keeps you fit. For $1000 or so you get a brand new, top of the line bike. You can get a very nice used bike for a couple hundred bucks.
>They don't give a shit about the environment, they just want you to consoom
This.
Windows update is so commited to reducing carbon emissions, it'll wake up your computer from sleep mode and fail to start the update because it's in lock. If you press sleep it'll try again every 30 minutes.
No you can't as a user schedule tasks to run from sleep mode either.
1. If you live in a place with lots of bike trails, you can legally take them on there and enjoy nature at 40 MPH.
2. In cities where it is hard to park, it's a lot more convenient to drive wherever you want, lock it up, and not have to worry about a jogger breaking your car window and pay $30 a day for parking a mile from you destination.
super73s are shit...cant get parts when shit breaks either...also don't go 40. The frames are nice...I'd pick up a used one if I could get it cheap but that company will fuck you over.
It's because n-words can steal them better.
They also won't tell you that this bikes can't go uphill.
>They also won't tell you that this bikes can't go uphill.
This is true. Many of them struggle on big hills. There are some that do really well on hills, but it can be a problem on >30degree inclines. It forces me to actually exercise my legs, which is good for me. The Ariel Rider Grizzly is good if you want something that goes up hills. Keep in mind the tech is still early, so torque isn't there yet for hills on a lot of bikes. It's getting better every year though.
>Why are they pushing E-SHIT
because chinks, garden gnomes and Elon Musk want their lithium mining companies to be pumped
nobody would give a single shit about lithium if it didn't make money
Dutchman here. Electric bikes are for:
>old people
>handicapped
>people that drive the short bus
I look down upon all of them. Not as much as I do on a tourist on a rental bike here in Amsterdam. I purposely cut those dogs of when I pass them. Trying to hit them with my shoulder to bring them off balance. Already got a few fat cows (probably American or English) to the ground like that. Of course I always do it in a way so it's their fault on paper.
ebikes are for weak people that dont have the giga leg muscle.
Those bird scooters are unironically based, literally the most fun I've had since I was like 8 years old. Unfortunately they watered them down in most cities by making slow zones, capping top speed to like 10 mph, etc
They need a solution that poor wagies can afford, but don't want to promote motorcycles because the garden gnome fears the unidentifiable dark visored, rubber bullet immuned fully geared biker, who will one day realise that by simply taking his number plate off, is free to do whatever he wants
Take the motorcycle pill anons
Electric Unicycle is pretty fun. I bought Airwheel for my kids but I learned ride it too and got hooked badly. Current one is 2200W and can go over 50kmh. Now I want Begode Master with 3500W. I have a motorcycle too and I love it but powerful EUC is also great fun. I've tried 5600W electric scooter too and it just owned mopeds.
People can ride what they want I don't care. Small electric way to move is useful specially in the cities.
There have been way to many times I've almost hit children and teens on these scooters and bikes since they come behind corners and drive on 50kmh roads with no sense of caution. Honestly helmets and yellow attention vests should be mandatory for these electric vehicles.
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fuck cagies, pieces of shit!
Vroom Vroom
The crash compilation videos of electric unicycle appear like you are watching a bunch of people dying.
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When we levitate past you on our e-scooter, you'll know why it's so great.
When it goes full send we'll know why you ended up fucked in hospital but more than likely fucked a pedestrian instead and got sued into oblivion
Theres a reason why small wheels are shit
Figure it out
be ft and lazy larp as exercise
its great for the people who want to pretend they ride a bike for eco reasons/exercise ect
and its also a good way to go see the countryside ect if your to lazy to just ride a bike
They're cool but what the shit do you do when your battery is dead? They're so fucking heavy. A basic hardtail mountain bike is 30lbs, a decent roadbike is 20lbs, a cheap full suspension bike with big tires about 35lbs and one of these fuckin basic ebikes is 60lbs. Who wants to pedal a 60lbs pile of shit around
What do you do when the battery dies? Charge it or swap it. I have multiple batteries. They pop up and you can take them inside wherever you are and charge em up.
It does 70mph and is basically an electric motorbike with pedals so it can go on some bicycle trails. Most normal countries and cities have made to laws to prevent them being used on road.
Its just a toy. If you want to enjoy a really good e-Bike, then absolutely convert your favorite hardtail or full suspension with a bafang mid drive kit: completely avoid hub motors, they are for total homosexuals. A mid drive will use the gears that come with your bike to multiply torque and completely transform your bike ride. Plus you wont look like an e-bike to most people.
>What's going on here?
they want to range limit n-words and onions
that is some shit bike geometry
>$7300
Some obnoxious kid put a 2-stroke mower engine on his bike so he could ride around my suburb and I'm damn sure he didn't pay $7300 for the fucker
The prices on these e-bikes are just insane. Biking is viable in most countries that aren't america. But paying beater car or MC prices for a fucking bike is just retarded.
>can't afford fuel to drive a petrol car
>so buy an EV
>can't afford calories to ride a bike
>so buy an e-bike
who (((owns))) electricity again?
if you cant afford fuel you cant afford an EV.
if you cant ride a bike its not because you lack calories, its because you abuse them, fat fuck.
well with fuel and calories prices going up, and it not so far-fetched to become so starved you'd have to calculate your calories expenditure.
For $7300 I could get a real motorcycle what the fuck?
Why do electric vehicles anger LULZ so much?
they’re pretty good actually. tried one out for awhile, bike shop had trials for them where you could pay 100$ to use it for a month and you could keep doing that or just buy it. this one would’ve been 2700$ which isn’t too much more than a decent bike. Also you don’t have to use the assist at all. If you want you can just use it as a regular bike. could easily get up to 30mph within a few seconds using it at the max and made even steep hills almost effortless to go up. They have levels and gears so you can still make it as physical as you want. dense urban areas might be annoying to ride them but in my small rural town it was great to get around places.
I have 3 ebikes. You don’t have to spend 7000 dollars. You can get a good bike for around 1500 and a great one for under 3000. You can also buy a kit and convert an existing bike for 150-500 bucks. Ebikes are fucking fun as shit and only practical for in town transportation. My bikes have 20-40 mile range. I have backup batteries for mine. I mostly, 99% of the time use my bikes for recreation and still use my cars for actually getting around. These aren’t meant to replace cars, they are toys, like regular bikes, or motorcycles, 4wheelers, etc. If you already enjoying biking you will enjoy an ebike too. It’s not some grand conspiracy.
they solve the door to door last mile problem
of mass transit
They are fun as fuck. Can bomb it around the woods and avoid disturbing walkers, horse riders and wildlife. I regularly get within 20ft of deer which would never happen on a loud scrambler. They are also lighter than dirtbikes, no ripping up trails and causing unnecessary soil erosion.
On the cost: the batteries are expensive but charging them is cheap, I pay under a penny a mile and that's if I'm bombing it full throttle. Bike components are a rip off though admittedly, partially due to small volume and that they are often western based. Still worth it on balance imo.
I paid $5,500 for this baby. I get about 90-98 miles per tank. Fuck an e bike
People are too fat and lazy to ride an unassisted bike.
>oyvey goym buy my overpriced thing
>accident happens
>oyvey we have to introduce insurance system for these new things goym for your safety
>Delfast is donating 5% of all sales to support Ukraine. We are working with governments and the larger tech community to end this war.
have fun
The elites know the end is coming, they're trying to buff the loot tables in the post apocalyptic world. Same reason why theres farm fields full of solar panels.
E-bikes are based, they're good enough for short distance communes and i could charge it for free in the office.
I always support high powered battery materials and mechanisms in the hands of the people
Might come in handy
these bikes are kind of based. laws havent caught up to these yet. can go 60mph+. dont need a license, dont need a plate. can drive these fucking everywhere.
Yes go faster so you can hit a pothole and die
Does this seem safe to you? lol
https://twitter.com/whatisny/status/1450583061880528903
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death wish. slow and steady for me.
>running dogs on roads
Those paws are fucked and he'll need a new on e every long trip.
he eats it at the end
Imagine how fast he would go if he used a pitbull and a toddler.
They are pretty good if you never bothered to learn to drive due to being a NEET or just dislike of danger / traffic chaos / breaking laws or generally paying too much money to insurance 'garden gnomes'. I had no idea what they were until I heard someone on this site talking about 1kw motor and how they thought it would be really cool and all that, I was into engineering experiments 3d printing, electronics etc at that time, thats my reason for being interested, I used to be a long distance cyclist but I became ill and can't go more than a few hundred metres on a regular bike anymore. I agree that it very conveniently fits into the great reset / electric car / anti-transport agenda but I had no way of knowing that at the time. I think they fit well with an traditionalist / off grid anti-government anti-industry libertarian sort of lifestyle. I have a bike thats similar to the Delfast and I wouldn't recommend it unless you want to travel short distances quickly every day e.g. live in a city, but also live somewhere the police won't bother you, OR you really like dirt biking, in which case the Sur Ron is likely far better choice.
>stronger, faster...
idk how it's in your countries, but in germany any ebike that has motor assistance beyond 25km/h requires a drivers license, ensurance and all the other crap that comes with owning motorized vehicles
Main reason for ebikes is they're really simple, theres a bike, a motor and battery pack. You dont need insurance, you use it like a regular bike and it goes max 25km/h and lifes easy.
Now people will steal them, or at minimum the battery pack and whatever else they can cram off the bike so you need advanced anti-theft solutions like keeping it indoors and heavy locks, but the annual cost of using one relative to anything else is actually tolerable for a minimum wager.
>They are dangerous as fuck.
Last 2 American generation rode Harley Davidsons on the highway. this LULZ loser is afraid of riding a bike. Then blames “the jooos” for taking that life from them.
E-bikes are more dangerous than motorcycles because they are less visible, produce almost no sound, and people ride them with no gear. Retards also ride them on the sidewalk and maim pedestrians.
>still just $7300
Kek. Are they insane?
Simple: to swindle retards into buying it for maximum cash.
OP ... Where we are headed is the peasants who are not communist party elites will only be allowed bicycles. Even with a bicycle you will need a travel permit based on your social credit score. Just like China in the 70's. Proles are not worthy of valuable resources like land or fuel. Even using a bike requires food energy. The state won't waste extra food so you can burn calories and waste time tooling about randomly on your bicycle.
lmao boomers lmao
escooters are super convenient and cool,
youre just fat to use them
I pay $60 to use a public scooter all I want for 2 hours per day a month.
Fuck owning one though, I already broke like 3, curbs destroy those tiny wheels
>Fuck owning one though, I already broke like 3, curbs destroy those tiny wheels
That's like judging owning a car based on how me and my buddies treat rental cars... I'd post a pic of a rental car on its roof but I don't want to dox myself.
To fully integrate the goyim into the tracking and control program.
Say the wing thing online? Didn't accumulate enough diversity points?
Looks like it's time for some garden gnome to flip the switch, kill the circuit and have your travel privileges revoked.
If you have an EV or even a car with a computer. Your shit is compromised.
If you intend to stay unvaxxed, independent and white. Here's what I suggest you drive.
And here's what i suggest.
Even runs after EMP
Nice
I'm not really into bike, given theres only about 2 days out of the year where it's actually nice to ride them. But I'll read into a cheap SHTF bike.
You need to toughen up, bro 🙂
This fuck the clownshow WEF, expect EMF, Cyberattacks and starvation. Plan accordingly.
You can't ride a motorbike on the road without getting it registered with an ebike they don't care.
Plys some ebikes go to 28mpg, or more if you mod them.
you're a fucking retard. That's a honda xl250, it has an ECU. Just because the wikipedia page says it is completely mechanical doesn't mean it doesn't use electronics. fucking moron.
You seem to not have seen a XL250.
This is a TL125 n-word
based. if your vehicle has a digital computer anywhere in it it's compromised.
I wouldn't be surprised if khazars were abominations created by the Nephilim before the flood..
It's hard to consider these neantherals as being fully Human.
No, they're from another planet. The one that got destroyed in the space wars aeons ago.
The asteroid belt between mars and jupiter are the remains of that planet.
garden gnomes are coming from it and are mad 'we' destroyed it, so they fuck with us since forever
because they are fun?
>Why are they pushing these fucking e-bikes and e-scooters so hard?
ikr??? they even pay flaming homosexuals to post about them on LULZ since nobody has ever noticed them before. OUTRAGE!
>7000€
Oh FICKT EUCH for 7000€ I can get 2 shitty used or 1 decent used car. These fucking things have to be the most successful scam since the jab itself, slapping a 300€ battery on a 500€ bike in some chink factory and then taking 1000s from moronic westerners. Just like with fake Milk and Meat which are made from ingredients less than 1/10th the cost and then demanding a higher price than the original.
If I hadn't had my daily dosage of msm it would much seem like an coordinated effort to force vastly inferior solutions for base necessities (such as food and mobility) onto people and then charging them MORE than before.
I find the concept of an electric dirt bike very interedasting, because the fucking forester can't bother you when you're driving at 3 am inna woods with it, in comparison to my Honda i posted earlier.
But 7k is too much. There are these Sur Ron things that cost around 4k and are what i could afford for fun inna woods.
Problem is the fucking regulations in fucking germany where you need number plates and registration and whatnot.
You get what you pay for.
4k is going to get you something pretty shitty.
Also surron aren't dirtbikes really anyway, they are tiny, very lightweight and usually built up with MTB components. You would do far better just to buy or build an eMTB. Another advantage over surron form factor is it passes as a normal bike visually to normies, a surron makes you look like a criminal.
>a surron makes you look like a criminal
Yes, that's the main concern about it.
In germany you can drive pedelecs with up to 25km/h without registration and shieet, but all above that need registration and whatnot.
But i don't like MTB or the like, it's just so wobbly and unstable in comparison to e.g. my 125cc.
Charging with your own sunlight is a major advantage if there's no gas anymore, and the stealth is a bonus on top if SHTF
Does it? Batteries get used with wrong usage. You know that you should charge your phone battery between 20% and 80%? If you do so it lasts way longer.
If you missuse, e.g. overcharge it or let it get below 20% the battery wears.
my iPhone battery was great until the first major iOS update, since then the battery lasts about 4 hours.
This has happened EVERY TIME I bought a new iPhone to the point where I stopped buying new ones.
>The move is Apple's latest attempt to appease angry users after news broke in December that it had been intentionally slowing down old iPhones to maintain battery life.
>More than 30 lawsuits have been filed in the US and one lawsuit is underway in South Korea. There's also an official investigation from French prosecutors.
Their answer to "why is my phone so slow now?" was "buy a new one" KEK
What do you use a fucking phone for anyway?
My iphone is just a whatsapp proxy for whatsapp web, a telephone and a "photo" apparatus and just lays there 99,999999999% of the time
He probably bing bing wahoos and watches porn all day on his phone and gets mad that it doesn’t magically have infinite battery. Every newer phone I get lasts longer than my older phones ever did for everyday stuff.
yeah, I kinda want an electric dirt bike for stealth riding
something I could charge with solar from an offgrid home for an occasional trip to town would be cool I just dont think they have the long term durability that I'm looking for, gas bikes you can keep running for decades if you treat it right
Oh and be sure to get both: An old EMP safe bike with magneto ignition, and a ebike with your own charging station with sun light.
Getting an ebike when you can be rocking the uni flizz.
because if you don't have a car / truck you can't run / move away
>move away from what?
You will see in 6-8 years time.
They don't want you having freedom, they want you confined to your n-word Infested city for your "traveling" needs so they have the roads to themselves and the skies
a bike that needs a new battery every 5 years does far more to control the livestock then a internal combustion engine that will last 30.
The appeal is you don't need a license, don't need insurance and you can ride on more places than a car.
Because people genuinely believe in climate change and they believe even more wholeheartedly that they are actively solving that non-existent problem by driving electric vehicles of any kind.
Add some money and marketing to it and you got yourself a product.
Because they want us all living like Asians, stacked in our pods and crawling around our chaotic urban hell scape on vehicles that can only take a single individual a limited distance with minimal cargo.
well considering you can build one for around £400 and get a range of 26 miles all in its not that bad
If you spend £7000 on one then you probably deserve it and are a label cuck no doubt
t work as a mechanic making them for a company for those that cant
Sell the whole bike for 1500 and kits for around 400
250W 350W you get more milage less speed than above which was a 1000w bike I ran to work for 2 years before the battery would only charge to 80%
Anyway that a generic stealth bomber bike and its not for commuting! over here that would need to be registered and taxed, Motor ordinance tested MOT and insured to ride on roads with at least a provisional driving licence
You bongs are so fucked. The loicense meme is real.
Its not just a money grab bro
There are legit life ending habbenings and people need trained on how to minimise them
Its common sense
the bike costs $60USD to make in china, they sell it for $7,000USD. 7000-120=6880 for advertising and makes 2 bikes.
>how can they do this?
I was riding four wheelers with some friends last weekend out on some pay to enter trails, huge hills and jumps. Stuff that would be impossible to walk up. We saw one of those little electric fuckers in a group with some dirt bikes and it kept up just fine, ran at least 6 hours too.
Because America is full of fatties who couldn't pedal to save their own lives let alone the planet. Fat people should only be allowed water and vegetables.
>Just $7300
Why would I spend that much on a crappy bike when I can get a €2000 Corolla and use the rest for fuel, enough for 3 years.
You third worlders don’t understand. We Americans aren’t buying these because we are too poor to afford cars. Most Americans own multiple cars. We buy these as toys. Same with dirt bikes and jet skis and boats and regular old normal bicycles. The prices are irrelevant. We pick them based off the features and styles we like and pay whatever is in our arbitrary “toy” budget. This sits in the garage next to the kayak, the dirt bike, the skis, etc. maybe 1 in 10,000 ebikes sold in america is someone’s sole means of transportation.
Being angry that some ebikes cost 7000+ is like being mad that a rich dude buys a yacht when he could just buy a rowboat! That’s how stupid you third worlders read to us Americans ITT.
This is actually more like if a rich person were to buy a $400,000 rowboat rather than buying a yacht.
And I bet you the rafts on Jeff bezos new yacht cost 10 times that. Pricing my point. Poor gags don’t understand luxury goods market prices are arbitrary, not based on cost to produce.
>cherry picking the Delfast
>high performance premium ebike
You can have an acceptable ebike that will do 100miles at 25mph for like $1,500. Most Ebikes in that power class with a 72v battery(where most of the cost goes on a Stealth Bomber ebike variant) are pretty expensive. If your looking for a more reasonable option I suggest Sur Ron; half the price, 45mph, 30 mile range, 0-100% battery charge in just 5 hours, as customizable as any bike and the batteries last over 3000 miles if properly maintained(20-80% charge and discharge). Only drawback is that the pedal kit is pretty ass and cops might hassle you about where you ride it
Your pic is an electronic motorbike though. OP is talking about electronic bicycles, which don't require a license.
To answer OP's question, they're marketed at people too lazy or stupid to pas a motorbike license test.
>Electronic
Electric.
Add a zero. A $600 bike would be a pile of shit even without a battery and motor.
>7,3k$
Jesus, I could buy multiple used cars with that amount. I could even refurbish them and sell'em for a good profit
Looks like a Hitler Youth bike, shit, now I want one. Can I get a Hugo Boss bike outfit and take amphetamine tabs while I ride?
If they weren't so expensive and ugly, I'd love to buy one.
Charging stations. Electric vehicles can force compatibility with only one type of charger, so in future the manufacturer gets a % for every charging. And it can be done in such a way that jailbreaking your bike is illegal, because your lawmakers are cheap whores that deserve public execution.
Bro you can charge an ebike anywhere you can plug in a regular plug. Even those city owned bikes with special chargers can easily be opened up and modded to charge off a regular plug. Only electric cars have this problem, not ebikes. And would be impossible to justify/push to change this since the ebike industry has already been using standard outlets from the start.
You seem to be shilling e-bikes pretty hard for someone who supposedly doesn't care
When have I said I don’t care. I have said I own ebikes and love them. Of all the things to fearmonger about on pol ebikes shouldnt even be on the list. It’s like being mad at roller skates or segways for existing - it’s dumb af.
I watched a black chick riding one of these eat shit the other day. There's a raised slab on my sidewalk and I was sitting on the porch as this girl was tearing ass full speed down the sidewalk and hit it. She didn't let go so she went head first into the concrete and laid there crying for a while before she got up and walked the bike away.
That story sounds like another point FOR ebikes. Ebikes encourage stupid people to kill themselves. That’s good. It’s horrible that we have cars that are so safe that retards can get in multiple high speed accidents and live. Those people SHOULD have died. Coddling stupid people from killing the elves is dysgenic and leads to idiocracy. Give all n-words ebikes that can go 100 mph. Will kill more faster than releasing crack cocaine in their neighborhoods in the 80s did.
The rich will have electric cars, the not rich will have e-bikes. Enjoy!
>No license
>No insurance
>Can drive on scenic bicycle trails
>Silent
>Can pedal if you want to
>Can throttle if you want to
>Costs cents to charge
>Can park inside buildings
>Can make extra money delivering food if you need to
>See the best scenery
>Fat Tire bikes can ride in winter
>Don't have to pay $500+ for insurance
>Don't have to pay $10/gal for gas
>Literally immune to almost all vehicle laws
What's the problem?
>The lithium mines bro
Not my problem.
>It's gonna explode bro!!
Cope. Don't charge overnight, don't use a shit charger, keep a fire extinguisher near the battery for the 0.1% chance something goes wrong.
You're fucking poor bro, because you live a poor lifestyle, driving your isolated cuckpod in the stroad meanwhile I'm chatting up 16yo qts on the bike trails
Half of the activities you listed are recreational. Many of the anti bike fags in this thread are just poor third worlders and fat fucks who don’t understand spending some money on a nice recreational toy. They r like “I could buy a dozen piece of shit old cars for that price!” Or “u can’t even fit 500 gallons of corn syrup infused poison in the trunk!” Etc
Anyone against ebikes is poor, fat, or both.
THIS
so many fucking idiots trying to be counter culture cool
I have one, it goes 30mph for around 30miles on a full to empty charge. Takes five hours to charges. I can pedal it if I want to go further. It's great.
It's literally the best form of PERSONAL transport but goyim only understand working for someone else, simping for hamplanets, mutt spawn, etc
Imagine not owning a motorcycle instead. Who the fuck is the market for a 7k ebike. Even as a pure toy purchase... 7k lmao
The only bike worth buying is a 99-00 CR250.
That’s it, swap the VIN with a car for something and get plates, toss on some small hidden LEDs and some mirrors. No it wont last a long time and no it’s not quiet but you can do a top end in an afternoon, and be cool af all day.
Oldfag here. I just bought a RipRacer from Juicedbikes for $1700. It is awesome. I need to get more exercise, because I work at a home at a desk. Center of town is 5 miles away, and hilly. I used to ride it as a kid, but it has gotten harder as an adult, and the e-bike helps me do the hills that discourage the physical exercise. I find myself pushing myself harder on rides because I know that if I get exhausted, I can get a little assist.
It is a toy, but it is also a great way to get around locally. I have a big 4x4 van that I strap it to the back of, and when I travel, I can park the van in a safe place, and explore cities, parks, and go from town to town. Then, I come back, plug the bike into the inverter in the van, and do it all again the next day.
It's not a replacement for a vehicle, it is an enhancement to the freedom of an IC vehicle to me.