Why are people so proud their ancestors were conquerors?

Why are people so proud their ancestors were conquerors? Its depressing to read human history and see how many heartless and evil people were in it, it doesn't give me pride, but the opposite. Actually the more I actually think about it the more alienated and angry and hopeless I feel. I'm 99% match to a Bell Beaker who genocided farmers in England? That just makes me feel like a bastard. I would much rather be 99% genetic match to a civilisation builder or a noble chivalrous savage than to some genocidal thug.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I agree, but I'd take it further. I think vicarious pride in the accomplishments of your ancestors is stupid. It's one thing to be inspired by then or learn from their successes and failures, but why use it to feel special about yourself? You have nothing to do with what they did, even if they were great.

    As to your point about your bell beaker ancestor who was probably a killer, and maybe rapist of your matrilineal ancestor as well, it is what it is. It saddens me a lot to think about how nasty brutish and short life was throughout most of history. We just have to do what we can to keep it from regressing.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >oy vey my fellow white people, aren't we just evil for at being of the food chain in nature, we should just keel over and die so ((other)) tribes which are totally not evil should slaughter us because that's good!

      Is this really the best you israelites can do, if it doesn't work the first time it never will, just hang yourselves instead of delaying the inevitable.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >*aren't we just so evil for being at top at top of the food chain in nature

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I didn't say anything even remotely like that. Never reply to my posts again.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I didnt say having pride in my ancestors was bad, I said i dont want to feel pride in my ancestors if all they amounted to was a bunch of cultureless rapist bandits

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      FRICKING THANK YOU, other people who understand this.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Pride should come from voluntary accomplishments, not involuntary acts of circumstance like where or to whom you were born.

      [...]
      Why should I not be proud of my ancestors achievements, or my villages, or even my extended cultural group? It shapes who I am, how I do things and why. It also shapes how I would view the world.

      FRICKING THANK YOU, other people who understand this.

      This idea that pride "should" be relegated to personal accomplishments is idiotic because feelings and human nature don't work according to what you think it's logical. While we're at it t also makes no rational sense to feel sad when someone dies or feel gloomy on rainy days, but people are gonna feel like that whatever your thoughts on it may be.
      Same thing with national pride. Whatever your think of it, people will continue to feel it because a sense of kin belonging is a strong instinct. Being baffled over it is like being baffled that people will sometimes say of their friend or family member: "I'm proud of him/her".

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I just want humans to not be mindless animals.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Where do you stop? Do you want us to stop breathing, drinking and eating as well?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You should do that, because you're too stupid to live.

            The mind is fake and gay, read UG Krishnamurti

            UG was faker and gayer than Jiddu

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >You should do that, because you're too stupid to live
            I like how you avoided the question

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's obvious that basic biology has to be respected, mong.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why is it obvious?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why isn't it?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The mind is fake and gay, read UG Krishnamurti

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Don't need to read it to know it's fricking stupid. The mind, as in the collective mental processes of the brain that give way to complex cognitive abilities, is patently obvious. Don't you have a street to go shit in or a poor foreigner to harass.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The mind, as in the collective mental processes of the brain that give way to complex cognitive abilities, is patently obvious.
            What's obvious?

            Why isn't it?

            The burden of proof is on you

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The burden of proof is on you
            Prove it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You made a positive claim, you prove it

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If the mind is fake and gay, then how do you explain anything?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >how do you explain anything
            Nobody can explain anything. When have you ever seen philosophers reach a consensus on anything?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The overwhelming majority only disagree on minutia.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, minutia like the basic principles of metaphysics, ethics, politics... Nothing too important

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          So what are some mindless animals that also have pride like human?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >human nature doesn't work that way
        So we should be resigned to it then? Be as we are because that's what we've been. You're a fricking idiot you know.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          There's no point of trying to change such a fundamental aspect of human nature because some dweeb on IQfy said so. Personally I don't like being resigned to the fact that women won't frick me, I guess we better genetically re-engineer all women to be frick-friendly human livestock held at farms

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's not like I'm the only person to ever think it is worth it. Just like you're not the only twat to ever erroneously believe humanity can't be more. Maybe if you weren't such a cynic incel you wouldn't give off so much insecurity. That shit is pussy repellent.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >argumentum ad incelum
            Is that all you got?
            >humanity can't be more
            "More", as in?
            And why should I care about "humanity"?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Is petty deflection and resignment to animalistic nature all you got?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >animals are... LE BAD
            But why?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Because they're slaves to their circumstance and cannot willingly change their nature, humans can.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No we can't. Determinism is irrefutable

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            There's that insecurity again, you're never getting laid.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >argumentum ad incelum
            Is this the best "the mind" can produce?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You're the one that brought up determinism. That shit is peak incel surrender.

            Yeah, minutia like the basic principles of metaphysics, ethics, politics... Nothing too important

            Precisely.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sorry determinism hurts your feefees

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Seeing as how I think it's a load of bullshit, and you're the one who's certain women won't frick you, my feelings are just fine.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I think
            You feel.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Except black pride, huh rabbi?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No I feel the same way about that. Also I don't like you.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I don't like you either

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Having pride in the random circumstances of your birth is peak midwittery.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Disagree tbh.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ok, why?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Pride should come from voluntary accomplishments, not involuntary acts of circumstance like where or to whom you were born.

          Why should I not be proud of my ancestors achievements, or my villages, or even my extended cultural group? It shapes who I am, how I do things and why. It also shapes how I would view the world.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Because you had no responsibility in those things. You are claiming credit for things you had no part in.

            [...]
            You will never stop us as the elimination of your race is now inevitable.
            You have brought this upon yourselves and deserve it.
            The best part is that once your race is gone no one will miss it, in fact people will out of their way to incinerate any material remains while you will only remain as a foot note in history books and a reminder of evil.

            Frick off moron.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            israelite
            israelite
            israelite

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            And? Those things still makes me who I am, and even if it isn't directly related to me is related to my family line, local township or cultural/ethnic group. Why can I not take pride in such things. Saying that you can't take pride in something because you didn't do it is a peak midwit take, bordering on moronation.
            >You know I am really proud of my brother. He won the state wrestling competition and he-
            >NOOOO YOU CAN'T TAKE ANY PRIDE IN THATTTTT, YOU HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELLFFFF AGGGHHHH

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Where do you stop? Do you take pride in your country? Do you take pride in being a human? Do you take pride in being an Earth organism? Do you take pride in orbiting the Sun?
            I think pride should be confined to the individual's actions.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Where do you stop
            Ethnic/cultural group, though I suppose it can be expanded to your country if you live in a near ethno-state. It pretty much makes up you as a person near completely, from how you look, to how you dress/fashion yourself, to how you see the world. Saying you can only take pride in things you yourself personally have accomplished is fricking dumb.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Ethnic/cultural group
            Why? Are you not proud to orbit the Sun? Are you not proud to be part of the Milky Way? I knew it, you're an Andromeda shill, aren't you? Go back to your galaxy.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >You know I am really proud of my brother. He won the state wrestling competition and he-
            >NOOOO YOU CAN'T TAKE ANY PRIDE IN THATTTTT, YOU HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELLFFFF AGGGHHHH

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Hey bro, I just got fricked in the ass
            >I'M SO PROUD OF YOU BRO

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >You know I am really proud of my brother. He won the state wrestling competition and he-
            >NOOOO YOU CAN'T TAKE ANY PRIDE IN THATTTTT, YOU HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELLFFFF AGGGHHHH

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm proud of reducing you to a mindless repetitive drone.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm proud of reducing you to a mindless repetitive drone.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            And by your logic you should be proud of me destroying you, since you take pride in other people's accomplishments.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Not OP but pride is an irrational human reaction. Expecting humans to be rational about it is dumb.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            guarantee you've never played a team sport

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            How does that negate what I said? If you play a sport you contribute something and accomplish something, so obviously you can feel pride in that.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >be part of a team = be part of a community

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Saying that you can't take pride in something because you didn't do it is a peak midwit take, bordering on moronation.
            It's one of those reddit takes like "modern art is a money laundering scheme". You know, takes that make no sense but people repeat it to sound clever and cynical

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I take credits for values and achievements I intend to either maintain or surpass, israelite!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So what most conservative people do via following in their ancestors foot steps and trying to keep society as traditional as possible?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Pride should come from voluntary accomplishments, not involuntary acts of circumstance like where or to whom you were born.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't say anything even remotely like that. Never reply to my posts again.

          You will never stop us as the elimination of your race is now inevitable.
          You have brought this upon yourselves and deserve it.
          The best part is that once your race is gone no one will miss it, in fact people will out of their way to incinerate any material remains while you will only remain as a foot note in history books and a reminder of evil.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I agree, but I'd take it further. I think vicarious pride in the accomplishments of your ancestors is stupid. It's one thing to be inspired by then or learn from their successes and failures, but why use it to feel special about yourself? You have nothing to do with what they did, even if they were great.

      As to your point about your bell beaker ancestor who was probably a killer, and maybe rapist of your matrilineal ancestor as well, it is what it is. It saddens me a lot to think about how nasty brutish and short life was throughout most of history. We just have to do what we can to keep it from regressing.

      Pride in general is a feeling that makes no sense from a deterministic perspective. Why would you even be proud of your personal accomplishments if they were destined to happen anyway?

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    homosexual sapiens is carnivorous ape. It is wired to admire killing and violence on instinctual level. This can be suppressed by conditioning, but never removed, and if some circumstances force it, conditioning will break. Great filter is being unable to contain it, because being predator is necessary condition to develop sentience, and sentience eventually result in weapons more destructive than life can handle.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >being predator is necessary condition to develop sentience
      If thats true, then lions and tigers and eagles would be the smartest, but they aren't. The smartest animals are Crows, Dolphins and Parrots, social specialist omnivores like humans.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Necessary condition != the only condition.
        Intellect is extremely expensive resource wise, and as life does not like redundancy, evolution will cause species to gain only as much intellect as it needs to exist, and no more. Predator is supposed to be smarter than what it eats to not starve. This is very important pressure that contributes to species requiring more.
        >omnivores
        Most of omnivores would prefer meat if they get to choose because it's generally more nutritious. Human's health will shit itself without meat in absence of modern supplements helping to compensate deficiencies caused by not eating it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Intelligence is more like a glitch of evolution than a feature. One day our intelligence is going to surpass evolution with positive genetic engineering. At least thats what I hope. Evolution sucks

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >noble chivalrous savage
    100% pop culture meme. There was never a noble savage. Restraint that is mandatory to make people "noble" is generally a thing that makes you stop being savage, if we consider that defining trait of savage is high time preference.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are people so proud their ancestors were conquerors
    A coping mechanism meant to compensate for the actual lack of agency in their lives, a leftover from the idea and culture of family honour, which could be beneficial for you in the past and gives barely anything today. Just as many coping mechanisms, it's often used for manipulations.
    >depressing to read human history and see how many heartless and evil people were in it
    Often those were people in "either you or me" situations.
    >would much rather be 99% genetic match to a civilisation builder or a noble chivalrous savage than to some genocidal thug.
    Noble savage is a myth. Most of the "noble men" were actually responsible for lots of spilled blood, be it for good or in vain.
    Discard moralism, moralistic view on the past makes you partially blind regarding the past and impotent in regards to current day politics

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are people so proud their ancestors were conquerors?
    Life is a struggle for existence. If your group is conquering you're winning the genetic competition.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because the options are conquer or be conquered, and the former is better than the latter.
    >I'm too pure for this world
    have a nice day then.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Did you ever realize wealth is limited and this is the reason people fought to survive, not only themselves but also for their children?
    If you feel so bad about it go donate every last thing you own and try to be happy

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the farmers genocided or forcibly exterminated the hunter-gatherers just as the Indo Europeans did to them, so it's just the wheel of how things work. you shouldn't let taking pride in your ancestors get to the point where you don't feel the need to do anything or that you use it to justify evil things but you should take pride in that people for thousands of years worked and fought and died to eventually produce you and the civilization you live in.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I am more proud of my ancestors being inventors (dad, great grandpa, great great grandpa, and me)

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