Why are materialists like this?

Why are materialists like this?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how is it that the universe is supposedly made by a computer, but the regenerative properties of life on earth occur in an organic matter?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The main theory proposed by some actual computer scientists is that all processes in the universe are computational, involving something like a cellular automaton which is a mathematical computational model, cellular automatons can be used to model many types of biological processes and organic patterns. Applications like this with computer models is why scientific computation and computational biology are growing fields.
      It's basically just a more discrete and specified version of "the universe is mathematical".
      The whole "We live in a computer" is a popular-science overview interpretation of it. The computer is the most complex machine we have and since forever humans have attached the most complex technology we have to our interpretation of the world. The world is like a fire, the world is like a system of pipes, the world is like a mechanical clock, you get the point.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        forgot cool pic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Life appears to be a mathematical certainty
        Why

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because it's a theory. The computer scientists who proposed this also recognised of course that stuff like the second law of thermodynamics wouldn't exactly make much sense in a deterministic computational universe.
          It's basically a discrete counter theory of digital physics against a continuous one and with fields like computational biology it has had its applications. But both theories most likely aren't some complete divine truths. Our understanding is always changing.
          The popular-science simulation hypothesis was popularised by Nick Bostrom, a philosopher and philosophers have been drawing similar analogies like this since Ancient China and The Greeks.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Couldn't we already say that it was a mathematical certainty? The universe appears to be fine tuned for life.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              We said it was a certainty because of classical physics yes, but their view was mostly continuous while the computational one is discrete. And with QM we have a probability interpretation and not a deterministic one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >we have a probability interpretation and not a deterministic one.
                What's it matter? What causes it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The way it behaves and how we interpret it makes it seem probabilistic. See double slit experiment for example

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I know. What causes it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not really known, just a bunch of theories

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Universe appears to either be predetermined to create life or probabilistically screwed to create life
                >Universe is ordered perfectly to support life
                >If multiverse theory is true, there are an infinite number of universes with every mathematically possible set of laws of physics
                Where did they come from and what is the medium in which they exist
                >If there is only one universe that is infinitely large, what are the odds that it would be structured in such a way to support sapient life?
                Very low I'd imagine. Stinks of intelligent design.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it only seems like intelligent design. life arose here because conditions were right, but there are infinite universes with infinite conditions, so life is infinite too, but it's a smaller infinity, aleph null.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the world is like a system of pipes
        wut who said hat>

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't remember where I got that. My memory tells me it was some ancient greek engineer that built drainage systems or something. But I may just be making it up. But the point still stands with that example removed.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            its just that i find it funny, and wanted to read about the system of pipes world.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      100% organic is it? totess

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They fear, hate, or envy God's position

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    when you zero metaphysical knowledge you end up adopting asinine positions like simulation theory

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      checked
      simulation theory is the new reddit atheism

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's more like a dream.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They fear, hate, or envy God's position

      Why are materialists like this?

      The universe being made by a God gives it purpose, while being made with a computer may give le funny purposes like the universe in a car battery from Rick in Morty

      Basically one is against nihilism while the other is gives nihilism a lot of options, and these zoomers are all nihilists

      you're all retards, the bible is nothing but gibberish, same with all other religions, you have to be a massive retard to think god wants us all to believe in him but only gave us a book as proof - one that the lazy bastard didn't even write himself.

      god is retarded, like all of you. im ashamed to share a species with you

      t. simulation chad

      p.s. "the existence of god gives life meaning" is fucking retarded, him existing does not make anything any better or worse in any way, things are still just as much worth doing if or if not there is some sky retard approving of it. id explain to you what has value, how im devoting my life to making value, but you're all retards who believe in literal magic so im not going to bother. you're all too stupid to understand it and too apathetic to care.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe you should turn off your computer and get a girlfriend

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          girlfriends are degenerate distractions for people with goals bigger than "live a life where i feel good most of the time" or "have kids"

          you're too small-thinking and stupid to understand why anyone would do what they should instead of what makes them feel good

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh you're just baiting

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              im not baiting, you're just a nihilist who doesn't understand why anyone would actually care about things like value and simulations.

              simulations are the most valuable things in the universe, you're beyond stupid for valuing a fake sky daddy over them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure yeah

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >t. simulation chad
        Simulation of what?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          figure it out dumbass

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "What we can't say we can't say, and we can't whistle it either"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You must be over 18 to post on this site.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          because mature adults still believe in fairy tales and invisible all-powerful men

          christians are dumber than atheists

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >christians are dumber than atheists
            Imagine the garden gnomes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              they're not dumb they're self-serving and amoral

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what u talking about n-word? u believe in tons of shit u can’t see or prove.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              there's a difference between trusting humanity's attempt to understand reality and trusting some stupid book they wrote 2,000 years ago

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes considering almost 99% of what you believe historically was given to you the same as the bible and you believe it.

                you didn’t see abraham lincoln die, yet you believe it happened because of a book man wrote hundreds of years ago

                that’s how i know ur 16… “it was written 2000 years ago” is the weakest argument that i’ve ever heard

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're stupid for making me explain this. many people would've had to lie about lincoln, only a few garden gnomes would've had to have lied and tricked people for the bible to be fake.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Completely wrong. Luke was a meticulous historian. Read the gospels it gives you the historic reign of kings snd predecessors . modern science doesn’t doubt the existence of jesus buddy you’re about 90 years late to the most basic main stream understanding of the Bible. you simply haven’t read it and are craving spirituality but too lazy to commit. There is literally nothing you have for me.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why did they even include that in a book about jesus and god unless it's to convince gullible goyim like you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmao gr8 b8 m8 go back to /b tranny threads and cuck threads

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                have a nice day christ cuck

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                also the bible is full of insane nonsense

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                prove it. read it in its entirety and show us every piece that is nonsense.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        gr8 b8 m8 all world religions since 33 AD and you’re the guy who figured all of it out and is telling 4 chan? you are equally if not more of a homosexual than those you are pointing a finger at.
        also ur white, nobody asks, plus atheists are pedos.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i said earlier im not telling you people because you sicken me and you're too dumb/nihilistic to care or understand

          ive tried before, didn't work even a little bit, you're just not good people

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then leave LULZ brother. We will all be ok in your absence. You need to be telling the world how you figured it all out. ur so smart bro

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i agree, which is why I'm about to start a very drastic journey to change myself so I spend much much much more time on things I should instead of stupid pointless things like this

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    /thread

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The universe being made by a God gives it purpose, while being made with a computer may give le funny purposes like the universe in a car battery from Rick in Morty

    Basically one is against nihilism while the other is gives nihilism a lot of options, and these zoomers are all nihilists

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the universe was intelligently designed
    Doubt it
    >with a computer
    Doubt it.
    Who designed the computer?
    That said, I'm not really a materialist so I can't help you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Who designed the computer?
      A computer is simply something that computes. That's not something someone could design.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >you have to believe in god or else you're a materialist.
    christfags are so fucking stupid lol

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone worships something. To them, the idea that we live in a redditors computer is more convincing than God.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's up to date Science

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't care once I ascend I'll turn off the simulation for good.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LULZ be like
    >The universe was intelligently designed
    crying_soijak.jpg
    >...by a lion-headed serpent
    Ö

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To get the true understanding of a noun
    split the word into syllables
    lookup the meaning of the syllables (may be from multiple languages)
    combine the meanings to gain the true understanding

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because science used to be a branch of theology. People creating top down hierarchies needed to have science either controlled by the state or banished from the state. When they chose to control it, they needed to completely separate it from religion and create a false narrative of religion v science.
    These people are theologians dressed up in the garb of scientism, basically.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we have good reason to think we're in a simulation

      you're just too stupid to understand it, or you don't actually care how logical it is because you're an apathetic nihilist who doesn't care if he believes the truth. driven by emotions, nothing else.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Didn't understand the post.
        Anon, I wasn't saying simulation theory is incorrect.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you equated simulation chads to religious retards

          religious people believe things literally just because their book says so, simulation chads believe it because it actually makes sense. we're not like you dumbasses, we're better.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Gets upset over something that didn't happen.
            >Has what was said explained to them.
            >Misses the point anyway.
            You are literally the exact same as a bible belt preacher in the deep south.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When you have a narrative of science vs religion, the state can choose whatever side of the fence to stand on and it will always win.
      Science is the way to go? Ok, well all religions are now regressive and stupid and just idiot babble. This atheism were promoting totally isn't a western non theistic protestantism at all. Also we're going to paywall and hide scientific resources and evidence even if it makes a large portion of the population believe vaccines are evil. Anything that doesn't fit our popular scientific concepts are banned for being pseudoscience. Also eugenics are totally hecking based and redpilled, come here little Canadian child and participate in your local MAID program.
      Religion is the way to go? Oh ok, well now we're a hyper nationalist and educationally regressive nation and anything that goes against the conservative doctrine is not allowed. Doesn't matter if the source of our religion is completely against what were preaching, were gonna say it anyway. Haha. Also science is illegal.
      The reality is that they aren't separate, they aren't somehow two different sides you have to pick. People have forgotten science came into existence to evolve and explain religion. Not destroy it.
      As long as you hold the worldview these two things have to be fundamentally oppossed, you will be the puppet of your governments and corporations until you die.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you cannot believe in science and also believe two people incested their way into making every human ever, or that every species ever did the same after the flood, or that two of every species ever could fit on one relatively tiny boat, etc etc

        they are not compatible at all

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the problem isn't "there's no balance if you choose one, and so the state wins!", it's "nobody ever does anything to try to change what our leaders/government do except in stupid ways"

        it doesn't matter how many different groups people have if they never do anything to change the government, its leaders, the parties that control them, etc etc

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The point isn't about balance. It's that these false dichotomies are how our leaders control us to begin with. These race wars, religious vs science arguments, etc are all puppet strings. The point is NOT balance, the point is that these are tools being used against us to prevent us from rising up and being too busy focused on inner squabbles.
          If we want to change our government and leaders, we need to stop participating in the culture wars they set up and start helping eachother connect and build something that doesn't suck ass.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We talk alot as a people about coups and wars and then we forget that we can kill all of these people, but if we don't change what's happening internally on an individual and social level *the last asshole will get replaced by someone who sucks in the same ways or worse.*
            One need only take a look at china to see this.
            If we want things to change, we have to be willing to stop giving in to bullshit divisions and culture wars, start taking action and doing deep organizing, and completely withdraw from the system.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they don't need to control us. we never do anything.

            people are stupid lazy nihilists. they go to their job, they shitpost about politics online, maybe they'll chant some slogans in the street, that's it. people have not done anything in the last 100 years that'd make our leaders think they need something to distract us with.

            we are lazy and stupid, we are not a threat to them and we never have been. the race shit is because democrats want power, that's all it is.

            We talk alot as a people about coups and wars and then we forget that we can kill all of these people, but if we don't change what's happening internally on an individual and social level *the last asshole will get replaced by someone who sucks in the same ways or worse.*
            One need only take a look at china to see this.
            If we want things to change, we have to be willing to stop giving in to bullshit divisions and culture wars, start taking action and doing deep organizing, and completely withdraw from the system.

            >start taking action and doing deep organizing
            nobody would ever help you do that and there's no way you or anyone else here would be energized enough to even try

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >we are lazy and stupid, we are not a threat to them and we never have been. the race shit is because democrats want power, that's all it is.
              If we weren't a threat to them, you wouldn't believe in this. You believe in this, or atleast say it, because they view us and our action in society as potentially dangerous.
              Go read the book bowling alone.
              >nobody would ever help you do that and there's no way you or anyone else here would be energized enough to even try
              >He doesn't know
              Anon, you have no idea what's been happening recently, do you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon, you have no idea what's been happening recently, do you?
                people are getting lazier and stupider and care less and less about what they should do every day. there are literally no serious not-stupid politics discussion/planning groups online. Closest I can think of is those stupid blm protest groups where they plan protests and nothing else

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wow.
                You really don't know what's been happening, do you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nothing's been happening, why don't you tell me what dumb larp you're referring to?

  14. 3 weeks ago
    The Machine Mind SLM

    materialists just have daddy issues.
    simple as.

    they just deny because they hate who their father is. kekekeke
    later
    :^)

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can you make this thread in LULZ?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      christians are so lazy and boring they can't even make a thread wihout assistance from someone else

      their religion gives them no motivation to do anything besides useless things like prayer, the "purpose" god gives christians is solely beneficial to the person with the "purpose". it's a completely useless religion, it makes boring no-energy losers.

      mine makes simulations, actual worlds that man will command. it turns the heavens into actual heavens.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i dont see what christians have to do with this but thats great bud, LOL

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    time is a unit for measuring change.
    bend a 12 inch rule in a circle and you have a 12 hour clock face.
    Change line
    Change loop
    Change travel

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is no balance, perfect, 100%, accident.
    But there are words such as equilibrium that work like a charm.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Theory for how all are connected, via fields:
    imagine the plasma globe toy
    the center electrode is the core of the earth
    all the plasma tendrils reach out toward the surface of the sphere
    each connecting to a living creature on the surface
    all connected through the core of the planet
    all the planet cores connected through our star sun
    all stars connected via the galaxy
    all galaxies connected via ????

    Something curious that may be related:
    -magnetism patterns being different for various regions on the surface of the earth
    -generations of families in a region, development likely influenced by this pattern

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is my strawman like this?

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day christcuck

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are homosexuals like this

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