Why are Christians so obsessed with Greek philosophy? They'll cite Plato or Aristotle like scripture sometimes, especially the Catholics.

Why are Christians so obsessed with Greek philosophy? They'll cite Plato or Aristotle like scripture sometimes, especially the Catholics.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Greek philosophy like stoicism and Christianity had very similar mindsets

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      >Why are Christians so obsessed with Greek philosophy?
      Nietzsche's criticism of Christianity was that Christianity is Platonism for the masses. To why Christianity is obsessed with Greek philosophy, it might have something to do with that the New Testament is written in Greek (albeit Koine) and that Christianity developed in the Hellenistic context.

      The transcendental argument and presuppositionalism have their origins in Epictetus' arguments against Epicureanism. Christian "Apologetics" derives from Plato's "Apologia" of Socrates - apologetics means defense.

      Epictetus' transcendental arguments:

      >"The propositions which are true and evident are of necessity used even by those who contradict them: and a man might perhaps consider it be the greatest proof of a thing being evident that is is found to be necessary even for him who denies it to make use of it at the same time."
      >Man what are you doing? are you refuting yourself every day; and will you not give up these frigid attempts? When you eat, where do you carry your hand to? to your mouth or to your eye? when you wash yourself, what do you go into? do you ever call a pot a dish, or a ladle a spit? If I were a slave of any of these men, even if I must be flayed by him daily, I would rack him.
      > Then those who talk thus, marry and beget children, and employ themselves in public affairs and make themselves priests and interpreters. Of whom? of gods who do not exist: and they consult the Pythian priestess that they may hear lies, and they report the oracles to others. Monstrous impudence and imposture.

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      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is nothing in the New Testament that has any educated philosophy attached to it nor any mention to plato.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

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          That is because your definition of "has any educated philosophy attached to it nor any mention to plato." is fundamentally different
          >Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. (Acts 17:18)

          A tangential attachment is an attachment nonetheless. Augustine depended on Plato and Plotinus and Thomas Aquinas on Aristotle. Christianity confesses a reality split into two levels, which almost corresponds to Platonism's view of the intelligible world and the World of Forms. The relevance of Platonism is that a common nu atheist and common protestants read the supernatural elements of the Bible to be occurring in the same world as the natural world and so 'Heaven' was literally a place in the sky, as per the firmament model. But then Platonism came along and moved the goalposts "outside of space and time" hence the view that God is "outside of space and time".

          Greek philosophy is literally life-support for Christianity. The proposition it is otherwise is a massive apologist (read, Socratist) cope.

          It makes a person wonder if the Greeks (especially Epicurus, Aristotle and Democritus) should be celebrated for providing the tools to negate Christianity or whether they should be denounced for giving it supreme instruments of pilpul (Plato, Stoics, Plotinus, Augustine etc)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You know philosophies are self evident and explain themselves through dialogue and communication and not require you to decipher what they really mean?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > dude, don't be suspicious, just take things at face value!
              Faith-itself and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine being this historically illiterate. Paul and Jesus straight up quote stoicists like Seneca continually.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        Why are Christians so obsessed with Greek philosophy? They'll cite Plato or Aristotle like scripture sometimes, especially the Catholics.

        Epictetus continues in his presuppositionalism:
        >Grateful indeed are men and modest, who, if they do nothing else, are daily eating bread and yet are shameless enough to say, we do not know if there is a Demeter or her daughter Persephone or a Pluto; not to mention that they are enjoying the night and the day, the seasons of the year, and the stars, and the sea and the land and the cooperation of mankind, and yet they are not moved in any degree by these things to turn their attention to them; but they only seek to belch out their little problem (matter for discussion), and when they have exercised their stomach to go off to the bath. - Presuppositionalism and idealism
        > "...but to say that this is an evil is something which must be added to it externally, and falsely added. For this reason we must not get rid of poverty, but of the opinion about poverty, and then we shall be happy." - Christcuck stoic mentality

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        Practically every major apologist argument has a genealogy in Greek philosophy. Which is why reading Greek philosophy is so fun, because all the instruments of negating Christianity are also the instruments that affirm it. Much more fun than mere scientism.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    to give intellectualism to their non intellectual religion which simply says that be good to others is good.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The main message I got from Jesus was that thoughts are as bad as action. Other than that I don’t get much.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you need non christian philosophy to try to elevate Christianity more than a rulebook and being nice.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Non intellectual religion
      >What are the 73 books of the Catholic Bible
      >What is the Catholic Catechism?
      >What is Canon Law?
      >What are doctors of the Church?
      >What are the fundamentals of Catholic dogma?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Laughable. That's what they are.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Non intellectual.
        Thinking hard about nonsense doesn't turn it intelligent.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        catholics don't read the bible, so why mention that?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >Catholics
    >Christians
    Pick one

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Guess Protestants aren't Christians either seeing they came out of Catholicism.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    The proper channel for Greek as with anything else is what fits biblically.
    Satan wants to cut off everyone from God. So he doesn’t want you to discover anything white and Christian from the greeks. Just like with Romans. Just like with white Europeans. Now that we are Americans they want to cut you off from Europe, and it is catching on to United States as well. But it is all connected. Our white Christian ancestry to all who believe with Christ as mediator.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Satan doesn’t want you to discover anything white
      >Just like with white Europeans
      pick one

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because Christianity is a mix of Paganism and Islam. Islam began with the prophet Adam and all subsequent prophets have taught Islam but their messages became corrupted. Christians adopted the trinity belief from paganism, worship of mary, ritual cannabalism, and a lot of other things. Muhammad (PBUH) restored the message of Jesus (PBUH) when he revived pure Islam.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Christians adopted the trinity belief from paganism
      Be specific. What are you referring to? Which pagans believed in something resembling the Christian trinity?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Seneca is ours at least, right?

    > Seneca was a most unfashionable author in the literary circles of the later Empire, specifically among pagans. His style was severely criticized by Fronto and Gellius, and as a result he is almost never quoted by the grammarians. Nor does he seem to have come back into favour at the end of the fourth century, as did so many other ' Silver-age ' writers, like Lucan, Statius, Juvenal and Tacitus. Macrobius is the only pagan writer to betray any knowledge of Seneca. He reproduces material from Seneca Epp. LXXXIV and XLVII more or less verbatim-without acknowledgement. The very fact that Macrobius passes off Seneca's sentiments as his own in this way suggests that he did not expect his readers to recognize his source.

    > On the other hand, Seneca was widely read and admire by Christians. As early as the second century it was noticed that there are close parallels to New Testament ideas and phrases in his writings, and to Tertullian he was ‘Seneca saepe noster.’ By the fourth century it was even believed that he had known St. Paul, and a correspondence between them was duly produced to prove it.

    > Seneca was no longer read for his style, and later his subject matter laid him under suspicion of being a Christian. And of all Seneca's works, the De Superstitione was the one least likely to be read by pagans-and most likely to be read by Christians. For the attack it contains on the Roman state religion was, according to Augustine, ' multo copiosius et vehementius ' than even Varro's (Civ. Dei VI, Io)-a judgement certainly borne out by the extant fragments. Such a work must have been anathema to staunch admirers and defenders of the pagan traditions like Symmachus, Macrobius and Rutilius. Hence it is hardly surprising that of the fifteen surviving fragments only one is quoted by a grammarian (Diomedes), one by Tertullian-and the remaining thirteen by Augustine in City of God.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    greek philosophy is the bedrock of western philosophy and, therefore, the world. It's impossible to be considered an educated man without knowing who Plato was, who Aristotle was, and what are the things they talked about. All western philosophy leads back to Plato and Aristotle. Simple as.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Digits of undeniable truth.
      Christians are too proud to admit it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      Digits of undeniable truth.
      Christians are too proud to admit it.

      Go to LULZ if you want to see what "educated philosophers" look and talk like, they're a bunch of tossers.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Case in point.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    Because at the time it was very popular and responsible for many philosophical and technological achievements. So they appropriated it. They even went so far to call Jesus himself "Logos", which means "rational debate" or truth itself. I know it sound extremely dumb to blatantly call your God truth and rational debate and then suppress it. Sounds really low IQ like something woke SJWs would do after destroying all of the education facilities and then destroying problematic statues of our ancestors.

    So this continued to this day and now Christian Apologists act like Logos is somehow a weird divine mystery, when its actual meaning makes all of this in context hilarious and kinda depressing.

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