For whatever reason the Anglos and the Celts seem to get really heavily shit on during this era, and especially after the fall of the Romans in Britain. Usually you see the same complaints of "mud huts" "no sewers/waste management" "loss of aesthetic" and so on. Usually people tend to compare the rural peasant lifestyle to modern day freeman land owners, which are so completely removed from one another in terms of needs/resource availability it doesn't make sense. A lot of the jabs also fall flat due to the lifestyle differences and needs of the people at the time. People then tend to turn to the WRE or Rome at its peak and totally forget that the rural areas with low population density probably looked quite similar to how Anglo Saxon/Celtic villages did due to their similar building materials and smaller work force.
The biggest gripes I have are probably:
Which were usually made of cob with timber framing. Literally everyone used this, everywhere, even up until fairly recently
Which weren't needed in most areas due to them having refuse pits for making compost and having a low population density.
>No bathing XD
They did bathe but IIRC most of Britain's land at the time was quite swampy and the natives believed (with good reason) that bathing there could make you sick, thus they opted to fully bathe less frequently but still washed their body with hot water and a towel.
There are a lot more gripes people have with the era and with early Anglo-Saxon culture/history but I don't understand most of it considering the time period. Im sure some anons can probably come up with more examples and answers than I can.
>For whatever reason the Anglos and the Celts seem to get really heavily shit on during this era
By who? The voices in your head?
Germanophobic, Mediterranean supremacist CHUDS on LULZ.
>Mediterranean supremacist CHUDS on LULZ.
Those are just reactionaries to amerimutt nordicist suprematism.
Just look at here
Every thread involving germanics will receive thousands of posts that trashtalk germanics
It's just people seething at whites in general and who cast around for any reason to shit on them, no matter how petty or irrational, and they go after Scandinavians/blonde-haired blue-eyed people because they see them as the whitest of whites.
You see this a lot in that poster who frequents LULZ posting memes about Ancient North Eurasians supposedly raping white women and cucking white men. It's always similar themes being posted by these kinds of people; rape, sexual conquest, cuckolding, and genocide. They're mentally deranged and obsessed with whites.
This concept and my <pic really encapsulates these kinds of peoples' mindset:
>Definition of ressentiment
>deep-seated resentment, frustration, and hostility accompanied by a sense of being powerless to express these feelings directly
>>deep-seated resentment, frustration, and hostility accompanied by a sense of being powerless to express these feelings directly
Perfect decsription of /misc/.
May be it's the whites who are seething at the world where they returns to their natural condition?
>May be it's the whites who are seething at the world where they returns to their natural condition?
And what is that 'natural condition'?
Is this bait?
The natural condition is the hierarchy that existed for thousands of years prior to the last mere centuries.
>It's just people seething at whites in general
their butthurt is eternal
i am brown and this quote is the most true thing ive ever read. doesnt change the fact that your civilization is now in decline tho kek
literally every civilisation is in decline.
I feel so fucking bad for people who have this cope.
the west is stagnating or even declining, and the only thing westerners can even do is say "well it can't be only us right? Everyone else must fall with us"
Time is really not on your side at all. Grim.
what civilisations aren't in decline?
too tough for a question for a low IQ npc
You realize that if the pillar which has propped you up breaks, you will come crashing down even harder.
Westerners will inherit their technology and your cope for being a colony undergoing genocide in 3500 will be
>westies had all the nukes stocked away, waaah waaah it’s not fair
Just like before history will repeat itself.
You couldn’t beat them in the 1800s
You couldn’t beat them in the 1900s
They will demolish you again as American is gone.
>You see this a lot in that poster who frequents LULZ posting memes about Ancient North Eurasians supposedly raping white women and cucking white men.
He's unironically right. It's rude but it doesn't change that it happened.
>He's unironically right
He isn't because there were no white people then.
>By who? The voices in your head?
Mainly on social media sites by people looking to make a dig at Europeans, mainly people from the British isles though. Reddit, Faceberg, a few nerdy forums, and its even starting to pop up in my real world discourse.
Have you ever even looked at the catalog on this board?
are these answers serious? leave your fucking homes.
"oh no the pajeets on LULZ are seething at anglos again"
pathetic the lot of you
They have a victim complex. Alternating between "we wuz XYZ" in many threads, and then "stop attacking us we did nothing wrong"
I don't really care about this debate and I think all cultures are cool, but it's very obvious that these whiney homosexuals created the problem by spamming and shitposting
don't feed the trolls, everyone that has been on LULZ for more than one day already know what's up
Are you talking about Meds
>are these answers serious? leave your fucking homes.
Yes. Most people still have a pretty awful grasp of history when it comes to the migration era and anything in antiquity that doesn't revolve around Rome or Greece.
>"oh no the pajeets on LULZ are seething at anglos again"
>Where the fuck is LULZ and most of the internet getting their dogass information from about the Celts or the Germans? Why are they always so wrong?
silence is violence chud
>if you reply to misinformation threads they win
>the correct response is to let the spam continue unchallenged until randeep and chang get over their tiny penises and the fact that women cross the street to get away from their smell (IE never)
>By who? The voices in your head?
Arround 400 years of cultural history. The whole enlightenment period and secularization as a whole is based arround it as another anon said. If you want recent pop cultural examples aka hollywood movies look at Gladiator, Rome (series) or King Arthur. The portrayal of Germanics and Celts in these is abysmall.
Ignorance. Once you realize most Roman peasants lived in similar conditions it becomes apparent the "great roman civilization" is mostly a mythos not supported by facts, especially outside of urban areas.
are you stupid?
Rome was great. But we shouldn’t pretend that rural Romans were walking around wearing togas, reading Plato, and living in marble temples. Hell, most urban Romans weren’t doing that either.
>Legend has it that the first soap was accidentally produced on Mt. Sopa, a site of animal sacrifice. As the goat meat burned, fat dripped down through the fire, bonding to lye leaching out of the ashes. The combination flowed down the mountainside and collected in the clay of the riverbanks, where women used the clay to scrub laundry clean. Although soap was known in the Fertile Crescent as early as 2000 BCE, it was used in the treatment of wounds and in hairdressing before its cleansing properties were understood. In the Mediterranean, soap was entirely unknown: Egyptians and Romans used oils for bathing and the Egyptians used natron, a crystallized rock of brine, to launder clothes. Although some individual Viking and Celtic tribes discovered soap independently, it was not widely known in Europe until the Arab invasion of the Byzantine Empire. It took considerably longer for the invention to reach northern Europe; the Celts are credited with introducing soap to Britain in 1000 CE. Although the Arabs used animal fat for their soaps, the abundance of olive trees in the Mediterranean area led to the development of soaps based on olive oil and lye from the ashes of the barilla, a common plant. The soap shown here is Castile soap, an olive oil soap of the region of Castila, Spain.
i just read the other day that the word soap came from anglo-saxon or celtic origins i cant remember and was the name of a kind of hair dye. soap coming from a place called "mr sopa" seems to indicated to me that at least one of these stories is wrong because its a silly coincidence. if the word soap has old western roots i think there is little chance that it *also* came from a placed named sopa. sounds like its a reverse legend or whatever you call it where people came up with the story after the fact because of the name similarity
Italian natiolists, Romaboos and Atheists that believe rom was about to achieve space flight before it suddenly collapsed in 476 due to Barbarians and Christanity.
After which europe entered a 1000 year long dark age during which everyone was miserable and nothing of signifance was built or invented until the glorious italians with the power of science rediscovered rome during the renaissance.
I think a lot of people also lose interest in that area due to it not being so well known. Theres also the fact that most people don't realize that the Romans relied pretty heavily on the Celts and Germans for everything, and most of their arms and armor were lifted straight from them.
for me it's the Celtic metal as fuck tradition to decorate the door of your house with the severed head/skull of enemies. And the absolute mad lad that preserved a whole body in front of his house and claimed he wouldn't sell it not even for its weight in gold.
Do you have a source for that? It sounds interesting as fuck.
>May be it's the whites who are seething at the world where they returns to their natural condition?
sadly my source is a compilation of literary sources:
"The Celtic Heroic Age"
I knew the Celts and Germans were head hunters, and would sometimes pose their slain enemies as household spirits via placing their head somewhere inside their home, but I didn't realize they decorated their house/yard with the body.
the body thing only gets one mention though, the heads thing gets a few
>Do you have a source for that? It sounds interesting as fuck.
I think it's from the writings of Posidonius. Not certain though
Less and less relevant with each passing generation
Yes, but no. Everyone still wants access to European countries or predominantly white areas in the US, only to turn whatever area they move into from a nice pristine area to a shithole. Whites (and Asians) are also being artificially held back by diversity quotas and other such things. Nearly every medium/area I can think of has naggers hamfisted into it for "diversity". Deep down though everyone knows white areas, history and spaces are still the best, hence the reason they push so hard to get in.
>Yes, but no. Everyone still wants access to European countries or predominantly white areas in the US
Certainly they want to trade with them, to get acces to Western technologies etc. But what is West without USA? Just dysfunctional EU and completely failed state of Russia (yeah they are pretending to be white). while the world beyond it slowly grows and becomes more independent
>But what is West without USA?
I think the west would actually be better off if the US didn't emaciate Europe's industry and armed forces. I also think Europe would be better off without the EU, with individual countries being self sufficient once again.
The US would also be nothing without its European roots, and the further it strays the uglier it gets.
>Certainly they want to trade with them, to get acces to Western technologies etc.
I live in a state that is 54% Non-Hispanic white and its an absolute shithole. Literally every other demographic turns whatever area they move to into a spitting image of their home country. Some areas literally look like failed states because of the South Americans and Africans that moved there, despite being in the US for 2 or more generations. There is no magic dirt that makes them equal to whites in any way, no matter how much education, free shit or good will you hand to them. If other demographics cant assimilate and mantle the responsibility of living in a first world nation and being a productive member of society, what makes you think handing a bunch of literal third worlders a shit ton of technology and trading with them is going to do?
>while the world beyond it slowly grows and becomes more independent
More like dependent on China.
>with individual countries being self sufficient once again.
They couldn't be self sufficient, XX century proved it. Lone country is nothing against coalition if the said coalition decided to completely subjugate rather than do, well what US did in Afghanistan
>More like dependent on China.
Nah not really, The only lash what China have is credits. In some terms China's capability is smaller and weaker than Soviet and surely no match to the West
>The US would also be nothing without its European roots,
Yeah but I am talking about the future. For example, Europe (not US) couldn't even maintain sovereignty over it's own technologies. Remember how Finland and Sweden tried to impose embargo of some tech for Turkey?
We would probably still have world war 1 without US but ww2 would be less likely, consider for example that the direct $$$ investment in German war producing was 5:1 compared to theLend-Lease that the Soviets got.
>Deep down though everyone knows white areas, history and spaces are still the best, hence the reason they push so hard to get in.
Not to mention the constant whining about things 'needing' to change, and of course the change invariably means that there 'needs' to be more non-whites and fewer whites
you guys really need to discuss this here? no shitting up the place please, we were having a wholesome thread
don't take the bait, it is meant to derrail the thread
What if the families want the remains to be returned ?
Then they have to mount a raid to steal the remains back.
>the Romans relied pretty heavily on the Celts and Germans for everything
Have you ever seen this?
From a Celtic settlement in the south east of France
>Around twenty skulls of aged men, which were pierced for suspension, were found dispersed around the stylobate. They were probably originally attached to the wood of the façade.
in a booklet I saw this
That's from the sanctuary at Roquepertuse, same region.
It defs looks like a sanctuary.
btw do you have a pic of the skull thingy? didn't saw any in your link
Most of their arms and armor were lifted straight from the Celts. Lorica Hamata, the scutum, the gladius and a multitude of their helmets have Celtic origins. The same thing happened later in the WRE with the German peoples. Both the Celts and Germans made excellent auxiliary/mercenaries, and covered up weaknesses in Rome's units, like their cavalry for example.
>Most of their arms and armor were lifted straight from the Celts. Lorica Hamata, the scutum, the gladius and a multitude of their helmets have Celtic origins.
I don't disagree with that but I think it's an exaggeration to say that 'the Romans relied pretty heavily on the Celts and Germans for everything'
A good chunk of what made the Romans Roman, at least in military terms, came from the Celts and later Germans. Most of their architecture and art was lifted from the Greeks and near east though.
The Romans were excellent at organization, had pretty cool aesthetics, and a really cool martial culture. That being said, its important to realize that a lot of what made up the popular idea of Rome was built on the backs of other cultures/people.
If you copy a design or listen to an idea from outside it's not like what follows in terms of your own output s on the back of said inspiration/source of idea... it's 100% your merit and you own it.
Romans were just Celts who mixed more with native EEF women.
>After which europe entered a 1000 year long dark age during which everyone was miserable and nothing of signifance was built or invented
Well it's false, Italians carried out Europe development durring that dark period as well
Italians invented stone architecture in Medieval Europe
Italians invented urban self-governance
Italians invented theology
Italians invented steel usage in Europe instead of iron
Italians invented Medieval universities
Italians invented full plate with milanese armour
Italians invented professional army
wrong, steel was present in the earliest iron blooms
>Italians invented theology
>Italians invented Medieval universities
Existed in Byzantine Empire centuries before the first in West.
Since I see you lads enjoy Celtic thingies, here's a moon calendar spanning a few years. It was written in Latin, allegedly during the conquest of the Gaul by Romans. Broken to pieces and buried in a forest. The experts say it must have been constructed from Druidic knowledge, regarding a calendar spanning several years and yada yada.
name in the filename btw
Its not in Latin
that's what Barry Cunliffe said
>The letters on the calendar are Latin and the language is Gaulish.
I stand corrected.
was reading the wiki page of this, and every month has an action associated to it, very interesting. Since we know so little about them every little window to how teir lived is super cool to me.
>Why are Celts/Germanics looked down on so heavily during the migration period?
>Ooga Booga whites go south and ruin everything.
That is why.
Celts were the best at military technology. Romans basically copied all of their equipment
VGH... the lost ballistas and siege engines of celtic Europe...
>doesnt know about roman gear
Just look up how legionaries were armed
sounds like you're butthurt that most germanics and celts were Bantu tier in terms of their tech and organization. Funniest seething I've seen on LULZ
So roman gear was bantu tier according to your logic
The Gladius, scutum, lorica hamata and the galea were all celtic in origin
>most germanics and celts were Bantu tier in terms of their tech and organization
They weren't though.
it's well known that celts and britons were retarded savages, let's be honest, britain would've been africa tier today if not for scandinavians settling there and spreading their genes and culture
Not much is known about the insular Celts in terms of how they lived. We do know they kept a lot of the older IE traditions alive like charioteers for example, and that they had a material style very close to the Bell Beaker culture, especially with metal working, but other than that its a bit empty. We know some tribes lived in round houses, but those tribes were still semi-migratory. We also know they had oppidums/motte and bailey type castle towns.
what shook me is this source speaking about skull cups, scythians did exactly the same
do really we need to know all that stuff when we we know that they got btfo
i mean supposedly celts once lived over most of western europe, and i've heard it said their tribes were in fact so expansive that they even reached the east and inhabitated most of what is modern day romania as well
but then they kept getting beaten, again, and again, and again, and they never learned. and then the irish and the scots (arguably the last ones left?) get btfo as well
i don't know, my original post was kinda shitposty and made to get (You)s but if i'm honest i feel we don't know much about the celts except that they're big losers and got almost completely wiped out despite having control over a large part of europe supposedly
the celts for losing so much, the britons because the romans reported them to be so
i mean scandinavians ultimately did pretty well for themselves, they colonized a ton of land and arguably founded a whole new civilization in russia and certainly helped byzantine greek and orthodox traditions up into the north
they were hugely influential. what did the britons ever do? like unironically. you could say the romans were just being racist in their descriptions of them but then we could say that about everyone they've ever left information on. and from what they did say, britons were basically african tribesmen tier
>do really we need to know all that stuff when we we know that they got btfo
The smaller tribes got beaten, often by Rome hiring other Celtic mercenaries to aid them.
Just because they got beat doesn't mean they went extinct. They still exist as a ethnic group. Hell every central and western nation is a mutt between celts and whatever other ethnic group is present in the nation itself.
>the celts for losing so much, the britons because the romans reported them to be so
Lol everyone outside of Southern Europe was a fucking savage.
Also most of that colonized expansion wasn't
God you sound like a butthurt homosexual
>from what they did say, britons were basically african tribesmen tier
kek no they weren't.
Why do you consider the Celts and Britons to have been retarded savages but the Scandinavians were not?
Scandis were successful savages.
Considering the sources we have like Tacitus, it would seem that the Romans themselves were quite ignorant of the Germanics and their level of social organization. Tacitus says the German tribes are semi-sedentary and live in the forrests. That was quite simply not true, Germanics were agrarian and settled. Some tribal federations like the Marcomani were very large and could threaten Rome even at the height of its power.
this is what fucks with my mind, how/why did germanics managed to unify against rome when celts failed miserably?
It had to do with geography/borders and the fact that the celts were being slowly overwhelmed by the Germanic tribes at the border of Gaul. Also after the first defeats against Rome the more warlike Germanic tribes like the Suebi , learned from their mistakes and stopped engaging in pitched battles and did more assymetric warfare. Their victory at Teutoburg , which was a bit of a fluke, was also a big psychological boost.
but they united, right? what caused this union and why?
Scythians had the Roayal Scythian tribe, I don't think Celts or Germanics had this however, right? If they had had this they would have been successful, talking about the Celts
It was not that they united under a single leadership, but the already existing complex tapestry of alliances forced them to create new types of tribal federations against a superior enemy. Geography alone allowed this since the germanic tribes were more dispersed and had larger geographic barriers. The celtic tribal states resembled more the ancient greek city states, in that they had little reason to trust or help each other. Celt disunity was big factor of Caesars sucess, plus that the regime in which they lived did not change fundamentaly. Rome tried the same with Germania with the client kings, but geographical distance meant the client kings could betray Rome with fewer consequences. Ultimately the Germanic tribes never trully "united", the largest Germanic alliance ever formed was that of Theodoric I at the battle of Catalaunian plains and even then that was to counter the even greater threat of Attila and at the auspices and direction of Rome.
Very interesting, thanks anon, posts like this is what makes LULZ actually worth it
>Tacitus says the German tribes live in the forrests.
like the monkeys.
think about it
Where my Celts and Celtiboos @?
This is my favourite Pictish stone:
fucking beautiful, I see it has a cross in the center, and it is also semi-influenced by the germanic/vikangs/whatever they were pattern style. I wonder what was in the part that was removed/broken.
Is that a harp on the right side of the pic?
There's a harp player on the Dupplin Cross
looks like an harp to me yes
if im being honest with you family? im more of an anti-nigg sort of guy myself
Anyone knows which were the differences between a Chief and a warrior? What made someone a Chief, did he have to be a warrior first or how did that work? Asking specifically about Celtic tribes, but germanic ones are ok as well.
No one seethes about Celts here. It's the eternal G*rman that's the problem.
tl;dr: Romanoboo and Hellenebooism from the Roman Catholicuck Church
it all went downhill for celtoids when they refused to make or adopt an alphabet bcs of their autistic druids and their need to spread their knowledge to the next generation via vocal methods olny. or when the various tribes were busy fighting themselves instead of fighting the romans/germans invaders. or when they had to fight naked like modern day holligans against collosal armies. bassically the were too stupid for their own good.
Celts had ogham script in the isles and Celtiberian script in iberia. There's also a calendar ITT in gaelic written in latin alphabet.
Why does it even matter all Europeans are related to each other
You can still be interested in ancient cultures regardless.
The so called enlightenment period justified its own existance with the narrative that they were a callback to the rational and advanced spirit of the antiquity that stood in stark contrast to the comically filthy and backwards 'middle ages' that followed after. It's a bit like how progressivism portrays the whole 20th and 21st century up until 2015 or so.
aka total Germanic domination
Go figure why Mediterraneans shit so much on the middle ages.
Italy was the richest and most developed place of Europe in the Middle Ages, ruled everything through the Catholic church. Renaissance actually put a stop in Italian domination because of this shit eater.
He was based on the israelites though
He was based in general. It's just that Anglos have no excuse for being prots. They had many cultural reforms that basically eliminated some of the corruption in the Catholic church unlike continental Europeans.
Anglos have no excuse to be Catholics either, they were originally Orthodox.
I am a celt thrown forwards in time after falling into a pond. Ask me anything
Was that island to the west of france, then gaul, full of priestesses a celtic thingy or was it a greek thing, or phoenician even?
No I fell in by accident, but that sounds like a cooler story so that will now be my story as to why I am here now.
The rest of Europe were tryhards while we were chilling
>The rest of Europe were tryhards while we were chilling
>I am a celt thrown forwards in time after falling into a pond. Ask me anything
were you trying to get a sword back?
Why did we job so hard to anyone arround us?
Literally spent an existence on fucking shit up. Mostly each other (just like with germans nowadays) but others tend to get pulled into their shenanigans (just like with germans nowadays)
Also their religion was vile as fuck and while druids are essentially viewed as "le spiritual nature wizards" nowadays they probably sacrificed plenty of humans.
Lot of the evidence for human sacrifice is probably untrue, more likely capital punishment.
Also the Romans did the occasional human sacrifice themselves
Human sacrifice accounts are mentioned by romans, previo7s sources don't mention human sacrifice at all. Animals instead. They did pmenty of ritual duels though, but that's another story. Talking about Celts. And surgery tools have been found in burials.
Fuck that intrigue, Indo-europeans cooperate.
In the Celtic world raiding your neighbour tribes was common, I believe. Well at some point there were some kind of Kingdoms, in which that would have been kept to a minimum. But outside of there I believe it was common. Mostly cause where else would they get theri heads to decorate their house's outside door?
>Anglos, Celts and Germanics had mud huts despite cultural exchange with the Roman Empire
>Andeans and Mesoamericans had stone buildings, pyramids, all developed by themselves
Really makes you think... Aryan LARPermutts don't want you to realize this...
Andeans and MesoAmericans lived in houses smaller than Anglo Germanics.
They had 10x the population but couldn’t even beat the Spanish, a feat Germanics effortlessly endeavored and succeeded in during their quasi Stone Age.
You are the seed of Visigothic men fucking Iberian women’s and those babies fucking indigenistas.
stop the shit throwing contest, we get it you both are butthurt at eachother, fuck off
Panchito is happy about reaching Neolithic levels of society in the Middle Ages.
But he ignores the fact his people have remained Neolithic tier into the age of space travel.
butthurt battles aren't fun, this board is shit cause it's like 99% made of butthurt battles, LULZ is shit cause of it, post some LULZtory we can all enjoy instead of engaging in butthurt battles
The bigger question is why the Native Americans get shit on when they also had large towns on par with even the later, more developed Germanic kingdoms and some actual large cities
I feel like the Celts and Germanic groups and Norse ones still get respect as wariors and craftsmen and there's some akdnowledgement of them having some larger settlements even if they get cast as primitive relative to the romans or greeks, but most people legit think Native AMericans were basically cavemen
>Andeans and MesoAmericans lived in houses smaller than Anglo Germanics.
Not sure about what Andean or Germanic household sizes were like, but I'm somewhat skeptical of this, or at least it being meaningful. Commoner residences were pretty small in almost ALL premodern socities, so I'd guess they were pretty similar in size. Commoner homes in Tenochtitlan ranged from like 100 to 400 square meters, for reference, at least based on the diagram I have on hand
There were also some Mesoamerica cities that had larger residences for commoners, like Tlaxcala or early Monte Alban or especially Teotihuacan:. Straight up most people in Teotihuacan were living in large palace compounds with dozens of rooms and painted frescos and toilets, which had an area in mid hundreds to mid to high thousands of square meters (some in the tens of thousands but those were like joint residential and religious complexes like Xalla), and obviously nobles and royalty there and in other cities had residences like that or much, much larger (moctezuma's palace in Tenochtitlan covered 40,000ish square meters iirc)
You guys realise that the Britons, Gauls and Iberians were way more technologically advanced than Germans were, right? German success was firstly due to their region's terrain of swathes of uncultivated forest. Then they took Roman gibs for centuries as auxillaries to be used against the Celts. Finally, they went full gibsmedat and betrayed their Roman masters when they had grown enough in population due to the gibs.
Prove me wrong.
Because they were free and happy with no central government.
>with no central government.
at least in Ireland, iirc there were times where the whole island would be under the power of a single Chief and tribe. Some other times there were several tribes with diferent territories.
So a central power could have potentially been a thing.