Why are academic works so incredibly expensive?
Let me illustrate my point a bit. I got interested in these theologians after somebody posted a lecture series, in which one denounces the other. I searched both their names, and found a book of letters written by one, that has one sent to the other one
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781137522498_11
Now look at this. I can buy the two page chapter as a pdf that costs $29.95, or I can buy the ebook for $109.00, or I can buy the hardcover book for $139.99
But why would I do any of that? I'm not in a class and I'm not getting a degree, this is just a peripheral interest of mine. I'm just not going to buy any of this. Thirty bucks for a two page pdf I'll read maybe once? You're out of your mind
So why even enter academia? Isn't the idea of publishing to get your ideas out there? I don't believe there is a human being on earth who has dropped over a hundred dollars for a copy of this book. When I google search for this book, I don't see a single image of a physical copy. Not one.
This isn't even the most unreasonably priced textbook out there. There are books costing five, six, or seven hundred dollars being sold on campus to 18 year olds right now.
Because it’s not meant for deplorable helots (You), but for university scholars (me).
If you’re this desperate just use SciHub like the rest of the third worlders and armchair researchers.
I'm trans by the way, not that it matters
No I’m not.
Given your behaviour I'll admit your trip is clever, but which of the cluster B's are you?
I don’t talk to retarded namefags.
I’m taking a break from this board from tomorrow.
I was saging a thread and forgot to remove it. You also said the same a few days ago, don't forget:
>you're here forever
sage doesnt go into the namefield, newfag
You get free access to jstor and other similar places if you are a confirmed wikipedia user with a few edits.
seriously?
Yea, well, it’s actually more edits than I remember lol but I qualified some months ago:
https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/
They're not real books meant for real consumption. University libraries need to keep up to date and not fall behind having "the literature" in stock, even though 99% of what gets produced in the last 20-30 years is total filler and even borderline vanity press levels of cynically bad (for example, why does your library need the Blackwell, the Cambridge, the Oxford, the Ashgate, the Sneedle, the Chucko, and the City Slicker Companion to Spinoza's Ethics, when maybe 3 of the essays in the Cambridge are decent?). But they can't predict what is bad, because nobody can know every field, let alone some purchasing librarian. So they just buy everything, even if it's absolute trash from Routledge printed on toiler paper. The academic presses in turn know this, and know no actual person actually really wants their increasingly poorly edited (even the top presses have gone to shit since 2010) books. So their only possible audience is this captive audience of universities that can't afford to gamble on missing out on the one important book every year. So instead of charging $30 and actually trying to sell "Ontologies of (Ambi)valence: Carceral Climatology and BIPOC Bisexuality in the Anthropocene" to normal people, they sell it for $250 knowing only these few hundred libraries will buy them. Then in a few years the computer that increasingly runs the library will detect that no one has checked the book out, and dump it at the offsite storage facility for all the actual books nobody has checked out in 10+ years, which also includes all real books like Dostoevsky, because nobody uses the library anymore except as a study and socializing space and a place to buy and sell Adderall. You should libgen it or use your university library's scan request feature.
Dangerously blackpilled post
sheeeit
>offsite storage facility
where are these facilities and how easy/hard would it be to raid them?
oscar the grouch anon here, i too am interested
In America we have a program called Friends of the Library which sells these books for about 50 cents each, even have a 10 cent day. I got half of the "Great Conversation" collection for 5 bucks at one of them.
Fantastic post.
Aye
>But they can't predict what is bad, because nobody can know every field, let alone some purchasing librarian
Very innocent of you. The universities know exactly what they're doing. It's all very incestuous.
This is very true in my experience.
Most awfully I can't even get the books I want from my university library and the archive system is utter trash.
Some books I've taken out have never been taken out by anyone else as far as I can tell and they're usually at least 2 decades old now.
>"Ontologies of (Ambi)valence: Carceral Climatology and BIPOC Bisexuality in the Anthropocene"
You got a real knack for inventing plausible names for bullshit anon.
Welcome to academia
You email the academic, ask to read the paper, and they send you a pdf. You then give the PDF to that ex-Soviet woman who is organising mass theft.
Armenian (Alexandra Elkabyan). But they're not updating the database of Sci-hub anymore, I think. Libgen is probably a more reliable place to upload.
None of the money goes to the authors of academic articles.
I advise everyone look up Elsevier. It's a good way to show how academic publishing is rotten and how you get these absurd prices. Also
is a good summary - it is libraries and universities that are supposed to buy these books, not normal people.
It literally isn't. Academics have to publish shit to keep or upgrade their position, so they don't get paid for it. Publishers usually keep all the profit.
This way they can be quoted by the MiniTrue agents who write articles but you won't spend $50 to verify if a PDF is filled with bullshit
because its how they get paid.
Academics are not getting paid per se. The publishing houses are because they know they can sell these books to every University in the US. Then these books will be turned into e-books that the universities will pay to maintain access to. Academic publishing is a farce
It's to gatekeep knowledge. You either pay to be a worker bee in the gated community, or you don't. There isn't room for diligent autodidacts or eurdite hobbiests to be forming ideas and engaging in debates outside of the easily controlled Ivory Halls and it's lucrative production of """experts""".
just search on not google the title followed by pdf
i have accessed 9 out of 10 papers freely, and the 10th if its not on some university website as a free pdf then its not good enough
Don't believe any theologian that can't do miracles
I would assume a academic using it just gets their university to pay for it
For what it’s worth, the book is available as a free pdf here.
http://libgen.is/search.php?req=This+Silence+Must+Now+Speak&lg_topic=libgen&open=0&view=simple&res=25&phrase=1&column=def
Because this shit is totally worthless even (or - especially) for professionals and I mean it. Only hobbyists (who don't care about money or outright brag that they spend a lot) and students who are being forced to it by their teachers buy it and these are exactly the customers which will stomach the most outrageous prices.
>This site contains material licensed by your library.
>retaining reductive internet maymays for when i‘m rightfully called a retard
Academic publishers are such extreme bloodsucking vampire parasites that it beggars belief. Academic publishers are in their entirely own league, beyond even something as extreme as the notion of clown world metaphysics.
They are the ultimate cuck-makers and profiteers, providing nothing of value, making the ones who make the product they sell PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE of alowing the publisher to make money off of it, and then when the publisher does it, it does so in the most extortionate way imaginable. The universities which pay the publisher to publish their stuff which the publisher then make money off of then also pay the publisher obscene amounts of money to access the stuff they themselves have provided it with. This can best be conceptualized as some sort of recursive meta-cucking.
The business model only works because anemic academics, almost by definition, are the ultimate spiritual masochists and cuckolds. That old headline that cuckolding is the fetish of Ph.D's is absolutely true, but it is not because they are smart, it is because academics are cuckolds, trivially and tautologically.
What academic publishers
What academic publishers do in reality with their business model is on a level of hyper-kike that would, if the israelites were accused of it, make even a swastika-flag toting nazi think that the propaganda had gone too far and had become unbelievable.
When I found out that they pay 5k to publish open access, I was shocked. You wrote the book for free, the peer reviewers did it for free just to add to their resume that they do peer review, and the type setting is basic. They are paying DeGruyter to host their pds.
It’s for academics to pad their CVs and help make their promotion cases. It’s quite the world we live in.
It's funny that gamers, who are considerably less cucked than academics, put a bare minimum of a fight against attempts at setting up similar practices in vidya.
Elaborate? Do game publishers do similar things to indie devs? Not LULZ, I apologize, but I’m genuinely curious
I'm not a gamer, ew! I haven't touched a video game since 2011 and it was pirated.
Without a trace of irony, however
Nigga, libgen and z-lib
You know that “sage” doesn’t actually work in the “name” field, right? R..right?
An old joke, sage in all fields
I am aware but it does nothing in the name field other than pollute the thread. Test it if you like, but I suspect that you’re the one who‘s been memed kiddo
Certainly among the more pathetic attempts to not come off as the newfag.
I see you figured out to turn it off in the name field. Good for you!