Who would win in a fight?
Who would win in a fight?
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Who would win in a fight?
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GIVAchad alex of course
They would come to respect each other as men of the saddle and instead conduct trade
ghenghis khan had more sex
Only if you don't count gay sex as sex
where did this idea that alex was gay came from?
He was a greek during the time were pedastry was very commonly practiced
He personally had an extreme revulsion toward the practice and got angry about it more than once.
Most Greeks viewed homosexualing as lowly gross crap, even if it did happen. Greeks were as gay as 1970s America.
>He personally had an extreme revulsion toward the practice
This is not clear from the sources
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>Ancient authors see this and other anecdotes as proof of Alexander's self-control in regards to sensual pleasures, and accounts are also known of Alexander's stern refusal to accept indiscreet offers from men who tried to pimp him male prostitutes, among whom, according to Aeschines and Hypereides, was the renowned Athenian orator Demosthenes. According to Carystius (as quoted by Athenaeus), when Alexander praised the beauty of a boy at a gathering, probably a slave belonging to one Charon of Chalcis, the latter asked the boy to kiss Alexander, but Alexander refused, to spare Charon the embarrassment of having to share his boy's affections.[5]
He was disgusted by it because he was like "I like MEN, you sick fuck. Not boys. What the fuck is your problem?"
maybe he didn't indulge in it. it's not fair to assume every ancient greek was gay.
There's no such thing as "gay", buttfucking is just an activity.
sorry anon but buttfucking another man is pretty gay, in fact there is nothing gayer possible
What about blowing another guy?
Some greeks would argue that fucking a woman is gay, as feminity is poison and masculinity is objectively superior for every form of companionship
no you're just such an incel you're becoming gay about it
but only gay guys would want to buttfuck a guy. that's what makes it gay.
It wasnt. Stop spreading this myth. Pedophiles were seen as garbage people, aprenticeships between a man and a boy happened and sometimes they became sexual especially among the upper class but the greeks werent a pro pedophile or even a pro gay society overall.
Incorrect
The Dialogues literally start with the author likening himself to a lion about to gobble up a sexy teenaged boy, and can hardly control himself.
He was a Macedonian, not Greek.
Ethnically Greek or close to it. Unless you think Macedonians were Slavs like the ones in the northern part are today?
I'll never get why people make a big deal of distinguishing Ancient Macedonian identity from Greek but Spartans, Athenians and Thebans are considered Greek by default. All of these different regions identified with their respective locations first and foremost. Doesn't change the fact that they shared a common origin.
Because Macedonians clearly didn't exist within Classical Greece, it's pretty likely they didn't even speak Greek natively. Their political system and society had more in common with the Illyrians and Thracians than it did with Greece. The Macedonians considered themselves separate from Greece, and so did the Greeks consider them separate. This is nothing like a 'Sparta vs Athens' debate because both acknowledged belonging to the same political and ethnic community, the Macedonians did not.
The Macedonian people may have been different. I do believe that they were, at the very least, distant cousins to the Greeks. However, Alexander's family traced their roots back to Argos, hence why Macedonia was referred to as a "land of non-Greeks ruled by Greeks". This is also why Philip II was allowed to compete in the Olympics and why Aristotle, who viewed non-Greeks as barbarians worthy only of enslavement, chose to tutor Alexander.
Probably also why Philip and Alexander's goal was to unify Greece and hellenise other lands. I guess the Macedonians were pulled into it.
>Probably also why Philip and Alexander's goal was to unify Greece
I wouldn't call their relationship with Greece that of a 'unifier'. Alexander acted as an overlord who had to institute a significant amount of resources and command into keeping them subjugated. Antipater spent most of his time making sure they would not rebel and eventually had to destroy a widespread revolt against Macedonian rule.
Aristotle had gotten the idea of "Greek supremacy" into his head and probably spoke about Herodotus's history of Alexander’s family, fuelling that notion of superiority. That said, he was also quick to adopt foreign customs such as Persian. I'm still not fully knowledgeable on his administrative rule. Can't have been very good if the wars between the Diadochi are anything to go by
>Aristotle had gotten the idea of "Greek supremacy" into his head
That's only speculation, it's pointless to say. He certainly treated Greeks differently from the others he conquered but there is nothing to suggest he thought of them as equals to Macedonians. Greeks were essentially completely excluded from his court, and there was only one notable non Macedonian member of his court while he campaigned and he was excluded from any official position of power. He definitely did not treat the Greeks as equals, he treated them as a subjugated people who had to take on what he ordered. The order to repatriate exiled and mercenary Greeks in the East was greatly despised by the Greek cities, it was never done as Alexander died before it could happen but it shows that he considered what was beneficial to him and his Empire to be more important than what was beneficial for Greece.
They allowed Philip? He conquered all of Greece, he could do whatever the fuck he wanted.
The Macedonians, like the Argeads who ruled them, were probably Dorian
Makedon conquered Greece. Amalgamation is only dint by Greeks wanting to leech on Makedon accomplishments.
Macedon was founded by Greeks from Argos, the family of Alexander. It was simply them returning to a place their ancestors left. If you live in "North Macedonia", you have no claim to that history, you're just insecure and coping.
Makedonians were Thracian not slavs.
Thracians no longer exist
Same as Hellenes
I'm not north Macedonian (what a name lmao)
>Same as Hellenes
Wrong
https://www.science.org/content/article/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals
proof that this was common and even widely accepted upon the masses?
>The rite of passage undergone by Greek youths in the tribal prehistory of Greece evolved into the commonly known form of Greek pederasty after the rise of the city-state, or polis. Greek boys no longer left the confines of the community, but rather paired up with older men within the confines of the city. These men, like their earlier counterparts, played an educational and instructive role in the lives of their young companions; likewise, just as in earlier times, they shared a sexual relationship with their boys. Penetrative sex, however, was seen as demeaning for the passive partner, and outside the socially accepted norm.[11] In ancient Greece, sex was generally understood in terms of penetration, pleasure, and dominance, rather than a matter of the sexes of the participants. According to Dover, pederasty was not considered to be a homosexual act, given that the ‘man’ would be taking on a dominant role, and his disciple would be taking on a passive one. When intercourse occurred between two people of the same gender, it still was not entirely regarded as a homosexual union, given that one partner would have to take on a passive role, and would therefore no longer be considered a ‘man’ in terms of the sexual union.[12] Hubbard and James Davidson argue however that there is insufficient evidence that a man was considered effeminate for being passive in sex alone. For example, the lowborn protagonist of Aristophanes' play The Knights openly admits to having been a passive partner.[13]
>The legislator Philolaus of Corinth, lover of the stadion race winner Diocles of Corinth at the Ancient Olympic Games of 728 BC,[24] crafted laws for the Thebans in the 8th century BCE that gave special support to male unions, contributing to the development of Theban pederasty in which, unlike other places in ancient Greece, it favored the continuity of the union of male couples even after the younger man reached adulthood, the most famous example being the Sacred Band of Thebes, composed of elite soldiers in pairs of male lovers in the 4th century BCE, as was also the case with him and Diocles, who lived together in Thebes until the end of their lives.[25]
>The romance between Pausanias and Agathon in Athens, made famous by their appearance in Plato's Symposium, also continued from the pederastic phase into adulthood as a stable and long-lasting relationship.
It's hobestly an interesting look at social development, I wonder how greeks lost practices such as these. I don't think Christianity would be enough to uproot such a deep set tradition
He was Makedonian not Greek.
Was the idea of ancient Greeks being fags really this controversial, historically? Or is it just the culture of this site where everyone had this knee-jerk reaction to the israeli leftist trannies or whatever.
It is a LULZ thing
All the sources call his best male friend his lover as well
what's the justification for it though. sounds like an unfair suspicion. growing up, me and my friend were called gay for hanging out a lot too.
No justification, new historians look at every example of camraderie in old militaries as soldiers just being gay
from the fact that he literally had 3 wifes and 2 boyfriends
is that really a fact though? sounds like more modern gaywashing.
>sounds like more modern gaywashing.
Because it is, this whole thread is literally full of it, don't bother. The man outright showed repulsion to homosexual activities, and was sleeping with a new women every night, but of course he is a raging homosexual because he had a male best friend. Same thing they did to Achilles.
I'm glad I'm not the only that's noticed. After Michelangelo was deemed gay, I've been very suspicious of all these supposedly gay historical figures. Seems like all these accusations are made to make gay people feel better.
I dont even have anything against gay people. I just hate revisionism and slander.
It was the Greeks who considered Achilles and Patroclus to be a pederastic couple. Aeschylus depicts them as such, as does Plato
>be alexander
>be gay
>instead of marrying men (which you would easily be able to do considering you're a literal god emperor) you decide to marry women instead
Delusional cope
You act like he was the god emperor of mankind and not constantly on a knifes edge diplomacy-wise lol. You don't think there were people on the sidelines ready to get any ammunition they could on him to depose him, such as marrying men?
isn't the common homofag narrative that homosexuality was accepted in the greek world? why would they shit on him for marrying a male?
Homosex was okay as long as you weren't a bottom, but gay marriage wasn't since gays can't produce children
Gay marriage didn't exist
Plutarch, Aelian, Epictetus
The general historical consensus is that he was bi, not gay.
Not only that, but the fact that Nero tried to turn Sporus into a woman before marrying him suggests that back then, same-sex marriage was so outré as to be literally unthinkable even for someone like Nero.
Alex because gengis was a literal cuckhold
Ghengis would have a massive advantage because of all the technological and strategic developments.
>Phalanx vs horse archers
You dont even need to have played total war to figure out how that one ends
Alex did BTFO some horse archers you idiot
I still think Alex would lose but its not because of "muh horse archers"
He himself used horse archers a lot, it's not like it's some arcane skill that only Asians know. 1v1 I'd bet on Alex, but army vs army the question is stupid because they're 1500 years apart. Who would win, the US army or Charlemagne?
1v1 i think so too
Alex fought everybattle in the first lines and he was crazy as hell
Gengis was much more of a stateman/politician then a proper duelist/warrior
i mean he would totally lose because of muh horse archers. The quality of alexanders, horses, bows, and other wargear would just be so inferior, this comparison is honestly dumb. No pre gunpowder army really beats Peak mongols. A 100 years war british army would be interesting. But the mongols werent stupid and would never just have an archery duel with English yeomen. They would maneuver around them, and harass for days. Even when the mongols encountered contemporary knights they crushed them. I would guess the normans or british would have the best chance. And dont bring up the second mongol invasion of europe. Thats like saying ceaser would beat alexander because rome defeated the Diadochi, and their far shittier armies than alexanders or phillips.
He would lose because of the mongols, not because of horse archers only because he already beat steppe horse archers
Also mongols lost many times
we are talking ghengis khan. And comparing horse archers from over a thousand years before is silly.
>No pre gunpowder army really beats Peak mongols.
They were beaten regularily in East Asia in both battles and sieges. Sometimes they lost more battles and still made the war profirabls just because of how much resources they reaped.
the mongols conducted wars across vast area's with many different generals. Most of these battles arent even recorded in english. Napolean also lost battles. That doesnt mean his army wasnt the greatest of its time.
how tall was genghis khan?, alexander was a manlet
Also a manlet
most sources say genghis khan was 5'10
alexander was 5 feet... lol
Both were manlets
Truth is we are the true kangz
like, a bar fight?
Khan because horse mastery and nomadic life.
Alexander won because of the Phalanx. Persia literally could not fathom how to fight it so they lobbed waves of serfs, slaves, and tributaries. The phalanx, meanwhile, acted as a buzzsaw.
The phalanx's weakness is in their rigidity. Great in a straight line, not surrounded. Poor against archers and in rough terrain. The phalanx met it's death against the horse archers of Parthia, who could spend all day riding circles and reloading their quivers.
Alexander was great because he learned he could spam attacks. Genghis could kite and keep at range.
Ghengis Khan. Alexander was Great but Ghengis was best.
>King Alexander, too, was quite excessively keen on boys: according to Dicaearchus in On the Sacrifice at Troy, he was so taken with the eunuch Bagoas that under the eyes of the whole theater he bent over to give him a kiss, and when the audience shouted and applauded, he very willingly bent over and kissed him again. Charon of Chalcis—so says Carystius in Historical Notes--had a beautiful boy who was devoted to him. Alexander remarked on his beauty during a drinking bout hosted by Craterus. Charon told his boy to give Alexander a kiss. "No!" said the king. "That would pain you more than it would please me."
Athenaeus, Deipnosophistae 13.602
>Alexander laid a wreath on Achilles' tomb and Hephaestion on Patroclus', hinting that he was Alexander's eromenos, as Patroclus was of Achilles.
Aelian, Varia Historia 12.7
>Euxenippus was still very young and a favourite of Alexander's because he was in the prime of his youth, but though he rivaled Hephaestion in good looks he could not match him in charm, since he was rather effeminate.
Curtius, The History of Alexander 7.9.19
>Alexander ordered the temples of Asclepius to be burned, when his eromenos died.
Epictetus, Discourses 2.22.17
>If you wish to become beautiful and good, throw the rags on your head and come to us. However you will not be able to do it, because you are held by Hephaestion's thighs.
Diogenes, Letter to Alexander
Alexander bros… it’s over
Forgot to include the Plutarch quote
>When Alexander arrived at the palace of Gedrosia, he restored the army with a festival. It is said that he got drunk and watched choral competitions. His eromenos Bagoas won in the dancing and he traversed the theater in his costume and sat down beside him. Seeing this, the Macedonians applauded and shouted out, bidding Alexander kiss him, until he embraced him and kissed him deeply
Plutarch, Alexander 67.8
surely it was just a nasty rumor.
BUT YOU DREAM GHENGIS
Chinggis CHAD will peg that twink.
In a 1 vs 1 fight. Alexander and it's not even close. In a war? Mongols. They were extremely mobile and can hit the Macedonians from far away until they whither away and then the heavy landers come in and clean up.
one fucked w*men
the other fucked BOYS
what do you think?
that's a good point. im all in on alex.