If you look at objective measurements like the growth of population, growth of the economy, percentage of the economy taken as tax revenue, then the clear winner is the British.
It's amazing how people who know absolutely nothing about a subject still find the confidence to make statements about it. Taxes were so low during the British period that the administration actually ran at a loss most years.
The british easily. Their predecessors left an incredibly low bar to clear, that's how they managed over a century of relatively little resistance from elites or local peasant revolts until nationalism grew after 1900. Revisionism of rich mughal period India has proved nonsense and it is pretty funny given not even pakis nevermind majority non muslims in India have any particular love for them nowadays and as expected was fully driven by western leftists.
If you look at objective measurements like the growth of population, growth of the economy, percentage of the economy taken as tax revenue, then the clear winner is the British.
It's amazing how people who know absolutely nothing about a subject still find the confidence to make statements about it. Taxes were so low during the British period that the administration actually ran at a loss most years.
I dont know, but only one of them left railroads behind
Before the British India made up 27% of the world gdp
After they left it became 4% of the world gdp
Hope this helps.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
There was no India before the british unified it and gdp numbers before 1900 or even later in some places are bullshit
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
India's gdp was 3.6x larger in 1940 vs 1600. The % share is pure obfuscation; the reason their share shrank is because the European economies massively expanded.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
There was no India before the british unified it and gdp numbers before 1900 or even later in some places are bullshit
Lol even according to these no doubt BS charts the one time India surpassed China was by the time Britain gave it independence. Poos proceeded to waste it somehow staying on par with Maoism.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fuck forgot the image
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
So non-industrialised India was a big part of world GDP before the Industrial Revolution and massive development of the two superpowers and not so much after? Big help.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes because despite having more of the wealth and population required to industrialise than European powers, they weren't able to because of the poor stewardship by the British. I say poor, but it was extremely effective at ensuring India's primary industries would supply Britain's manufacturing without competing with them.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Europe was far ahead already by 1500, that's how they got there and wrestled control of sea trade and the locals only got in through piracy. These GDP graphs especially before 1700 or so just assume gdp = subsistence everywhere and then backtrack into population estimates which by the way are far shakier in India as there are no census records until british rule.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Europe was far ahead already by 1500
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Mughal_War_(1686%E2%80%931690)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Alc%C3%A1cer_Quibir
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_expedition_(1541)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93Algerian_war_(1775%E2%80%931785)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Spanish_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_expedition_(1519)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_expedition_(1516)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid%E2%80%93Portuguese_conflicts
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_expedition_of_1807
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
How come almost none of your links have to do with India?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They bearly fought before the 1700s
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe because you are excluding the nearly all defeats vs the portuguese and others
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The portuguese and Spaniards never conquered those places, mentioning their victorys doesn't matter, they lost at the end.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not on land but on the seas they did.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They also lost at sea
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What, one in ten battles?
3 weeks ago
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12 to 4
And that's counting the 61 invasion of Goa
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Goan in today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMpgDFqzGVU&si=qpQuloFc0KXIy0Gb
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Any nation where the people are voluntarily becoming stateless : That's likely the place to be.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They aren't becoming stateless, they get themselves Portuguese citizenship and then fuck off to the EU.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
> wikipedia
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Portuguese >Omani
That’s a bad example to show muh european superiority
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
did you ever consider the point was to show the best the natives managed/worst whites did
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
How come almost none of your links have to do with India?
Also English essentially won tactician militarily against Ming but lost diplomatic support.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Europe was far ahead already by 1500, that's how they got there and wrestled control of sea trade and the locals only got in through piracy.
Europe only managed to get into India by way of subversion and exploiting existing power rivalries.
The only thing Europeans were better at is deception.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why was it always european ships and ideas arriving everywhere and not the other way around? The question that always befuddles leftists.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
asia had goods europeans really wanted. europe did not have goods asians really wanted.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So they brought nothing in trade value? Then they were nothing but pirates and somehow acquired military superiority. Surely the locals would want to obtain it to stop the raids. Why didn't they?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>somehow acquired military superiority.
But they didn't though.
It's why they relied WHOLLY on subversion to take over.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There were multiple european actors undermining one another. Why was it always one of them, every time?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They were primarily undermining the pity kingdom of India.
As they were incapable of taking them head on.
Why were the Euros so utterly inferior so as to rely on subversion rather than confrontation.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>So they brought nothing in trade value?
gold and silver sometimes, but even then, yes. look up initial encounters with europeans across asia. many times the asian nations didn't care to trade with them. >Then they were nothing but pirates and somehow acquired military superiority. Surely the locals would want to obtain it to stop the raids. Why didn't they?
look at how the british acquired bengal. they exploited an already existing political situation by carefully picking the winning side and bribing the right people. the portuguese were only able to take goa with the help of hindu pirates
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So the local pirates couldn't pull it off and contented themselves to table scraps while portuguese from half the world away ran the show. Okay.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I noticed you ignored this.
>Why were northern Europeans so utterly irrelevant throughout the vast majority of history. >The question that always befuddles rightists.
Wonder why. : *~~*~~)
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
holy shit read a fucking book.
the Portuguese were basically pirates in the indian ocean. they need the help of friendly pirates to survive
>In 1507 Timoji warned the Viceroy of the upcoming siege of Cannanore by Calicut forces and supplied the Portuguese St. Angelo Fort during the siege. In the end of 1507, when a Mamluk fleet under Amir Husain Al-Kurdi (named "Mirocem" by the Portuguese[2]) supplemented the Calicut forces, he became de Almeida's main informant. Soon after the Battle of Diu, Timoji met the Vijayanagara emperor Krishnadevaraya and offered him rich tribute. He then prompted the Portuguese to conquer Goa, the main port for the horse trade. The city had been conquered from Vijayanagar by the Bahmani Sultans in 1469, and passed to Bijapur. In late 1509, the remains of the Mamluk fleet defeated in the battle of Diu had taken refuge there.
>In 1510 the new governor Afonso de Albuquerque wanted to fight the Egyptian Mamluk Sultanate fleet in the Red Sea or return to Hormuz. However, Timoji convinced him that it would be easier to fight them in Goa, where they had sheltered after the Battle of Diu,[3] and also of the illness of the Sultan Yusuf Adil Shah and war between the Deccan sultanates.[3] So he invested in the capture of Goa to the Sultanate of Bijapur with the support of Timoji.[4]
>They regained the support of the native population, although frustrating the initial expectations of Timoji, who aspired to gain the city. Afonso de Albuquerque rewarded him by appointing him chief "Aguazil" of the city, an administrator and representative of the native people, as a knowing interpreter of the local customs.[3] He then made an agreement to lower yearly dues and started the first Portuguese mint in the East, after complaints from merchants and Timoji about the scarcity of currency.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why do you fixate so much on the very beginning a mere decade after the first europeans entered the Indian seas. When the original point was why didn't non europeans just adapt. They had centuries to do it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>answer question >why are you so fixated on answering the question
are you genuinely retarded?
in any case, the non-europeans did adapt multiple times, it's why there were multiple wars and rebellions.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Did you ever wonder why all the asian exports were primary products like spices and silk while europeans brought textiles and other manufactured goods? This was long before the industrial revolution or even the EIC by the way.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
that's not even remotely accurate. the mughals were known for being the textile producers. the british specifically targeted and dismantled that industry so they could utilize the technology in england and corner global trade.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Mughals collapsed long before the british conquered former then war torn lands they ruled. So if anything their collapse is what killed the luxury textile industry literally tailored for them.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It is. Even sugar the one that required the most processing was the first one taken over by westerners in their plantations in Brazil and the caribbean.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why were northern Europeans so utterly irrelevant throughout the vast majority of history.
The question that always befuddles rightists.
what i find hilarious is that many of the same people who cry about israelites subverting their culture, forcing diversity, creating divide and conquer protected classes, etc. are the same people who will rant to end on why the rothschilds were a good thing for india
> When the israelites are israeliteing for MY side, it's okay.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not any better than central asia steppoids that had been playing divide and conquer for nearly 3000 years by then. Before the mughals it was other turks, before then huns, scythians, eventually the original indo aryans. It was long established there was a practice of incorporating them into the higher castes.
3 weeks ago
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>Not any better than central asia steppoids that had been playing divide and conquer for nearly 3000 years by then.
If the stepper fags were good at one thing, it's direct, hardcore conquest, unlike the bong pussys, whose only hope of taking India was through subversion.
The stepper fags entire foreign policy was. > Submit to us and pay taxes. > Don't submit to us and will burn your whole city to the fucking ground.
They were simple and brutal.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>forest people were grouped with the most despised castes
this bad because?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, also because they were looted by angloids who also prevented them from progressing, one of the main reasons why china is better than india is because they were never colonized even tho they were literally massacred by the japs, yeah, getting massacred is nit as bad as colonialism, colonialism and having whites in is the worst thing to ever happen to a country or group of people.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
hello sirs please do the needful and look at india's population growth during that period
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
while I am no fan of what the British did why do Indians use GDP as their strongest argument, GDP does not tell use anything of standard of living or economic equality? Why not just use the mismanaged famines?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because the famines during the British Raj were no different from those that happened before, except:
1) India's population was larger than ever before
2) During WW2, Japan's occupation of Burma cut off a major source of food for the Raj
3) The British instituted the Indian Famine Codes which reduced the intensity of each successive famine since they were established with the exception of those that happened during WW2
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because the famines were even worse before the british took over and it was finally possible for long distance trade to overcome local famines.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There was even a famine in Bengal a generation after the British left that killed a million and a half people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_famine_of_1974
3 weeks ago
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>GDP does not tell use anything of standard of living or economic equality
Just lol
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Before the British India made up 27% of the world gdp >After they left it became 4% of the world gdp
Are you retarded? This doesn't mean India declined under the British. Do you know what a percentage is? This is middle school level math.
And supposedly India is our biggest producer of tech majors.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Before the British India made up 27% of the world gdp >After they left
You mean before and after the industrial revolution which saw Europe and in particular the USA nodiff the entire rest of the world in terms of GDP
The administration was. The attraction of India for Britain was in trade, not in taxation. The East India tried making money off tax farming in the 1780s and it was a disaster. Much more profitable to buy Indian goods to sell elsewhere, and sell India manufactured goods from Britain in return.
One of the biggest things Gandhi complained about was that Indian industry had declined not because of taxes or government regulation, but because cheap British imports had flooded the market. Ironically, considering the fact that the world is now overrun with cheap Asian imports, it was considered one of the most harmful aspects of colonialism (by Gandhi, at least, but his whole economic policy was based on a sentimental attachment to cottage industries - hence the spinning wheel on the Indian flag)
And one of the reasons India's economy stagnated for forty years after independence was because one of the first things the new government did was throw up trade tariffs to protect inefficient local producers.
After the British took direct control of India in the 1850s the policy was to keep taxes low and expenses at a bare minimum, but even then the tiny colonial government still cost more than India's tax revenue in a lot of years and had to be bailed out by the mother country. The memes about Britain looting India's wealth are just that: memes.
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Before the British India made up 27% of the world gdp
After they left it became 4% of the world gdp
Hope this helps.
>three men in a room, each 170 centimeters tall >average height in the room: 170cms >a man 186cm tall enters the room >the three men who were already in the room are now 4cm below average height for the room >they get angry at the tall guy for making them 4cm shorter
Indians are genuinely this retarded
You forgot to mention that 1.86 guy stole 20cm from jeets and other people
>Before the British India made up 27% of the world gdp >After they left it became 4% of the world gdp
Are you retarded? This doesn't mean India declined under the British. Do you know what a percentage is? This is middle school level math.
And supposedly India is our biggest producer of tech majors.
India percentage didn't stay the same or get higher because the white israelites looted the shit(no pun intended) out of India
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I thought Indians loved israelites. Why the antisemitic remark?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not Indian, I hate israelites and whites equally
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Did they kick your dog?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Pretty sure whites and israelites are the dog lovers
Yeah anon the most lucrative part of the British empire was actually operating at a loss. A humanitarian project, really!
is pointless, they're incapable of thought and will just recite the lines they've been fed until you get bored and give up, at which point they will believe that they 'proved you wrong' >never play chess with a pigeon.jpg
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah obviously the good angloids traveled thousands of miles overseas and spent countless money fighting wars just to build some railways that actually got india better with no profit for the nice humane brits, do you know how dumb you sound?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Shit nobody ever said.jpg
Are you aware of how retarded you sound at the moment? Are you aware that you're proving my point?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>with no profit for the nice humane brits
The administration was. The attraction of India for Britain was in trade, not in taxation. The East India tried making money off tax farming in the 1780s and it was a disaster. Much more profitable to buy Indian goods to sell elsewhere, and sell India manufactured goods from Britain in return.
One of the biggest things Gandhi complained about was that Indian industry had declined not because of taxes or government regulation, but because cheap British imports had flooded the market. Ironically, considering the fact that the world is now overrun with cheap Asian imports, it was considered one of the most harmful aspects of colonialism (by Gandhi, at least, but his whole economic policy was based on a sentimental attachment to cottage industries - hence the spinning wheel on the Indian flag)
And one of the reasons India's economy stagnated for forty years after independence was because one of the first things the new government did was throw up trade tariffs to protect inefficient local producers.
After the British took direct control of India in the 1850s the policy was to keep taxes low and expenses at a bare minimum, but even then the tiny colonial government still cost more than India's tax revenue in a lot of years and had to be bailed out by the mother country. The memes about Britain looting India's wealth are just that: memes.
[...] >three men in a room, each 170 centimeters tall >average height in the room: 170cms >a man 186cm tall enters the room >the three men who were already in the room are now 4cm below average height for the room >they get angry at the tall guy for making them 4cm shorter
Indians are genuinely this retarded
>The attraction of India for Britain was in trade, not in taxation
>Ironically,
The real irony is that the British set up uncompetitively high tariff barriers for Indian goods to protect their island's manufacturers and intentionally made it as difficult as possible to set up any kind of industry in India, since they only wanted to milk the place for their own benefit.
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Before the British India made up 27% of the world gdp
After they left it became 4% of the world gdp
Hope this helps.
I don't care about the Britain colonialism argument necessarily but these two probably read Marx and literally nothing else. >Country Y's GDP grew by 25% >Country X's GDP grew by 5%
Therefore Y is oppressing X
The thing is that people always pretend that the railroads the British built in India were some grand act of civilising charity, even though they were an overpriced ripoff that could've been built just fine without any British involvement.
Yeah, India had many qualified railway engineers and a well-developed industrial economy to produce the materials, there was no need for British expertise and investment.
Wait, shit, no - India was an agrarian society that was nowhere close to the social and technological changes needed for that kind of infrastructure.
The railroads were fully paid by Indians at ridiculously high rates per mile.
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>How the British impoverished the world's richest country
Well I'm sure this will be accurate and unbiased. I wonder how it's going to address the fact that Indian GDP was much larger when the British left than when they arrived.
Who would bring the technical know how there if not the british that invented them? And how much later? What it local rulers opposed or just didn't show interest in investing money they could be enriching themselves with?
Engineers can be hired from whatever place. It doesn't really matter. >India was an agrarian society that was nowhere close to the social and technological changes needed for that kind of infrastructure.
Britain was a similarly agrarian society just a few decades before they managed to gain a dominant position in India. It was their stranglehold that prevented any real industrial development in India infeasible. >I wonder how it's going to address the fact that Indian GDP was much larger when the British left than when they arrived.
Indian GDP per capita was totally stagnant under the British and started shooting straight up after they left. Incidentally all major famines ended as well.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and started shooting straight up after they left
Not what your own graph tells lmao. Or is it growth when there is a fall for decades with a new trend only after the cold war by pure coincidence the period socialists were in power. >GDP before 1800
Read the thread
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Not what your own graph tells lmao
In case you've forgotten, India gained independence in 1947. The trend of serious growth begins shortly after.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah after 1990
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
before.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>interpolates 1970 to 2000 for no reason
Let me guess was the value in 1990 closer to that of 1980, or 2000?
Who would bring the technical know how there if not the british that invented them? And how much later? What it local rulers opposed or just didn't show interest in investing money they could be enriching themselves with?
> Many famines occurred > But umm..like, poos just didn't write them down!
The Anglos were shit rulers who turned India into a shithole.
It's a good thing, israelites are making them into a hated minority within england.
Pic very much related.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
what i find hilarious is that many of the same people who cry about israelites subverting their culture, forcing diversity, creating divide and conquer protected classes, etc. are the same people who will rant to end on why the rothschilds were a good thing for india
The british easily. Their predecessors left an incredibly low bar to clear, that's how they managed over a century of relatively little resistance from elites or local peasant revolts until nationalism grew after 1900. Revisionism of rich mughal period India has proved nonsense and it is pretty funny given not even pakis nevermind majority non muslims in India have any particular love for them nowadays and as expected was fully driven by western leftists.
why do Indians call strangers "dear"? is it a relic of the British Raj? if so, are they too retarded to understand that the British aren't culturally dominant in the anglosphere anymore?
They only do that to women. They are used to arranged marriages and so they don't have a lot of interactions with women and it's also why they make up 90% of all "show bob and vegana". A lot of places with arranged marriages or low interaction with women lead to that.
For the common man it didn't really change. For the Princes of India it either got a whole lot better if they threw their lot in with the British or they got obliterated
Mughals were just homosexual turkic empire who got reduced to nothing when the their ruler aurangazeb decided to islamify India
Marathas are still prominent in Indian politics and its role in dharmic identity, but the empire was nothing but tax collecting and it didnt want to destroy kingdoms.
British rule is nothing but the worst, police state that pushed homosexualry, reducing and buckbreaking India into a poverty filled rump desolate state, caused all kinds of famines, deaths, christcuckolding, ww1 and ww2, communal riots, 2 states even though muslims still live among hindus TILL THIS DAY
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/11/asia/british-empire-lgbt-rights-section-377-intl/index.html >The homophobic legacy of the British Empire >India was in fact one of the first colonies to outlaw LGBT sexual relations under British imposed legislation. >As was the case in India, Malaysia also criminalizes same-sex relations under Section 377, based on the original British colonial legislation.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-18/today-s-anti-lgbtq-laws-trace-their-roots-to-british-colonialism?leadSource=uverify%20wall >Today’s Anti-LGBTQ Laws Trace Their Roots to British Colonialism >The law is an often-overlooked legacy of British colonial rule in India, where in 1860, the first prohibition on sodomy was written into a penal code, according to Human Rights Watch. The law was eventually exported across the British empire, stretching across roughly 40 places in Africa, Asia and the Pacific.
Apparently, dastardly and cringe Anglodevils tricked colonials into doing gaysex with each other but simultaneously BASED Brits bullied browns back into the closet.
> Many famines occurred > But umm..like, poos just didn't write them down!
The Anglos were shit rulers who turned India into a shithole.
It's a good thing, israelites are making them into a hated minority within england.
Pic very much related.
what i find hilarious is that many of the same people who cry about israelites subverting their culture, forcing diversity, creating divide and conquer protected classes, etc. are the same people who will rant to end on why the rothschilds were a good thing for india
Why were northern Europeans so utterly irrelevant throughout the vast majority of history.
The question that always befuddles rightists.
[...] > When the israelites are israeliteing for MY side, it's okay.
When we win you lot and your entire disgusting mongrel race will be wiped off the face of the earth.
> Projected a minority within mere decades. > israelites have complete control over the currency and the information flow. > Lost the tech advantage > Lost the population size advantage. > thinks he is going to be winning any time soon.
Okay...
Imagine not even being fit to be slaves! You're worse than naggers! AHAHAHAHAHA
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Imagine losing the demographic majority in your own country, without a shot fired.
You are worst than injuns.
> Projected a minority within mere decades. > israelites have complete control over the currency and the information flow. > Lost the tech advantage > Lost the population size advantage. > thinks he is going to be winning any time soon.
Okay...
What country is the middle one?
Marathas
How the hygiene condition?
Do they deserve to be in that picture though when they didn't control as much of India as the other two?>
Textiles were worth more in the 1800's than gems and spices.
You could have at least put the Mauryans or Guptas in there
I dont know, but only one of them left railroads behind
The same one which impoverished the country by shipping off most of the tax revenues to Britain
If you look at objective measurements like the growth of population, growth of the economy, percentage of the economy taken as tax revenue, then the clear winner is the British.
It's amazing how people who know absolutely nothing about a subject still find the confidence to make statements about it. Taxes were so low during the British period that the administration actually ran at a loss most years.
Yeah anon the most lucrative part of the British empire was actually operating at a loss. A humanitarian project, really!
>Yeah anon the most lucrative part of the British empire was actually ope-ChUGGA-ChUGGaChUGGA
Before the British India made up 27% of the world gdp
After they left it became 4% of the world gdp
Hope this helps.
There was no India before the british unified it and gdp numbers before 1900 or even later in some places are bullshit
India's gdp was 3.6x larger in 1940 vs 1600. The % share is pure obfuscation; the reason their share shrank is because the European economies massively expanded.
Lol even according to these no doubt BS charts the one time India surpassed China was by the time Britain gave it independence. Poos proceeded to waste it somehow staying on par with Maoism.
Fuck forgot the image
So non-industrialised India was a big part of world GDP before the Industrial Revolution and massive development of the two superpowers and not so much after? Big help.
Yes because despite having more of the wealth and population required to industrialise than European powers, they weren't able to because of the poor stewardship by the British. I say poor, but it was extremely effective at ensuring India's primary industries would supply Britain's manufacturing without competing with them.
Europe was far ahead already by 1500, that's how they got there and wrestled control of sea trade and the locals only got in through piracy. These GDP graphs especially before 1700 or so just assume gdp = subsistence everywhere and then backtrack into population estimates which by the way are far shakier in India as there are no census records until british rule.
>Europe was far ahead already by 1500
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Mughal_War_(1686%E2%80%931690)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Alc%C3%A1cer_Quibir
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_expedition_(1541)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93Algerian_war_(1775%E2%80%931785)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Spanish_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_expedition_(1519)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_expedition_(1516)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid%E2%80%93Portuguese_conflicts
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_expedition_of_1807
How come almost none of your links have to do with India?
They bearly fought before the 1700s
Maybe because you are excluding the nearly all defeats vs the portuguese and others
The portuguese and Spaniards never conquered those places, mentioning their victorys doesn't matter, they lost at the end.
Not on land but on the seas they did.
They also lost at sea
What, one in ten battles?
12 to 4
And that's counting the 61 invasion of Goa
Goan in today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMpgDFqzGVU&si=qpQuloFc0KXIy0Gb
Any nation where the people are voluntarily becoming stateless : That's likely the place to be.
They aren't becoming stateless, they get themselves Portuguese citizenship and then fuck off to the EU.
> wikipedia
>Portuguese
>Omani
That’s a bad example to show muh european superiority
did you ever consider the point was to show the best the natives managed/worst whites did
Also English essentially won tactician militarily against Ming but lost diplomatic support.
>Europe was far ahead already by 1500, that's how they got there and wrestled control of sea trade and the locals only got in through piracy.
Europe only managed to get into India by way of subversion and exploiting existing power rivalries.
The only thing Europeans were better at is deception.
Why was it always european ships and ideas arriving everywhere and not the other way around? The question that always befuddles leftists.
asia had goods europeans really wanted. europe did not have goods asians really wanted.
So they brought nothing in trade value? Then they were nothing but pirates and somehow acquired military superiority. Surely the locals would want to obtain it to stop the raids. Why didn't they?
>somehow acquired military superiority.
But they didn't though.
It's why they relied WHOLLY on subversion to take over.
There were multiple european actors undermining one another. Why was it always one of them, every time?
They were primarily undermining the pity kingdom of India.
As they were incapable of taking them head on.
Why were the Euros so utterly inferior so as to rely on subversion rather than confrontation.
>So they brought nothing in trade value?
gold and silver sometimes, but even then, yes. look up initial encounters with europeans across asia. many times the asian nations didn't care to trade with them.
>Then they were nothing but pirates and somehow acquired military superiority. Surely the locals would want to obtain it to stop the raids. Why didn't they?
look at how the british acquired bengal. they exploited an already existing political situation by carefully picking the winning side and bribing the right people. the portuguese were only able to take goa with the help of hindu pirates
So the local pirates couldn't pull it off and contented themselves to table scraps while portuguese from half the world away ran the show. Okay.
I noticed you ignored this.
>Why were northern Europeans so utterly irrelevant throughout the vast majority of history.
>The question that always befuddles rightists.
Wonder why. : *~~*~~)
holy shit read a fucking book.
the Portuguese were basically pirates in the indian ocean. they need the help of friendly pirates to survive
>In 1507 Timoji warned the Viceroy of the upcoming siege of Cannanore by Calicut forces and supplied the Portuguese St. Angelo Fort during the siege. In the end of 1507, when a Mamluk fleet under Amir Husain Al-Kurdi (named "Mirocem" by the Portuguese[2]) supplemented the Calicut forces, he became de Almeida's main informant. Soon after the Battle of Diu, Timoji met the Vijayanagara emperor Krishnadevaraya and offered him rich tribute. He then prompted the Portuguese to conquer Goa, the main port for the horse trade. The city had been conquered from Vijayanagar by the Bahmani Sultans in 1469, and passed to Bijapur. In late 1509, the remains of the Mamluk fleet defeated in the battle of Diu had taken refuge there.
>In 1510 the new governor Afonso de Albuquerque wanted to fight the Egyptian Mamluk Sultanate fleet in the Red Sea or return to Hormuz. However, Timoji convinced him that it would be easier to fight them in Goa, where they had sheltered after the Battle of Diu,[3] and also of the illness of the Sultan Yusuf Adil Shah and war between the Deccan sultanates.[3] So he invested in the capture of Goa to the Sultanate of Bijapur with the support of Timoji.[4]
>They regained the support of the native population, although frustrating the initial expectations of Timoji, who aspired to gain the city. Afonso de Albuquerque rewarded him by appointing him chief "Aguazil" of the city, an administrator and representative of the native people, as a knowing interpreter of the local customs.[3] He then made an agreement to lower yearly dues and started the first Portuguese mint in the East, after complaints from merchants and Timoji about the scarcity of currency.
Why do you fixate so much on the very beginning a mere decade after the first europeans entered the Indian seas. When the original point was why didn't non europeans just adapt. They had centuries to do it.
>answer question
>why are you so fixated on answering the question
are you genuinely retarded?
in any case, the non-europeans did adapt multiple times, it's why there were multiple wars and rebellions.
Did you ever wonder why all the asian exports were primary products like spices and silk while europeans brought textiles and other manufactured goods? This was long before the industrial revolution or even the EIC by the way.
that's not even remotely accurate. the mughals were known for being the textile producers. the british specifically targeted and dismantled that industry so they could utilize the technology in england and corner global trade.
Mughals collapsed long before the british conquered former then war torn lands they ruled. So if anything their collapse is what killed the luxury textile industry literally tailored for them.
It is. Even sugar the one that required the most processing was the first one taken over by westerners in their plantations in Brazil and the caribbean.
Why were northern Europeans so utterly irrelevant throughout the vast majority of history.
The question that always befuddles rightists.
> When the israelites are israeliteing for MY side, it's okay.
Not any better than central asia steppoids that had been playing divide and conquer for nearly 3000 years by then. Before the mughals it was other turks, before then huns, scythians, eventually the original indo aryans. It was long established there was a practice of incorporating them into the higher castes.
>Not any better than central asia steppoids that had been playing divide and conquer for nearly 3000 years by then.
If the stepper fags were good at one thing, it's direct, hardcore conquest, unlike the bong pussys, whose only hope of taking India was through subversion.
The stepper fags entire foreign policy was.
> Submit to us and pay taxes.
> Don't submit to us and will burn your whole city to the fucking ground.
They were simple and brutal.
>forest people were grouped with the most despised castes
this bad because?
Yes, also because they were looted by angloids who also prevented them from progressing, one of the main reasons why china is better than india is because they were never colonized even tho they were literally massacred by the japs, yeah, getting massacred is nit as bad as colonialism, colonialism and having whites in is the worst thing to ever happen to a country or group of people.
hello sirs please do the needful and look at india's population growth during that period
while I am no fan of what the British did why do Indians use GDP as their strongest argument, GDP does not tell use anything of standard of living or economic equality? Why not just use the mismanaged famines?
Because the famines during the British Raj were no different from those that happened before, except:
1) India's population was larger than ever before
2) During WW2, Japan's occupation of Burma cut off a major source of food for the Raj
3) The British instituted the Indian Famine Codes which reduced the intensity of each successive famine since they were established with the exception of those that happened during WW2
Because the famines were even worse before the british took over and it was finally possible for long distance trade to overcome local famines.
There was even a famine in Bengal a generation after the British left that killed a million and a half people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_famine_of_1974
>GDP does not tell use anything of standard of living or economic equality
Just lol
>Before the British India made up 27% of the world gdp
>After they left it became 4% of the world gdp
Are you retarded? This doesn't mean India declined under the British. Do you know what a percentage is? This is middle school level math.
And supposedly India is our biggest producer of tech majors.
>Before the British India made up 27% of the world gdp
>After they left
You mean before and after the industrial revolution which saw Europe and in particular the USA nodiff the entire rest of the world in terms of GDP
The administration was. The attraction of India for Britain was in trade, not in taxation. The East India tried making money off tax farming in the 1780s and it was a disaster. Much more profitable to buy Indian goods to sell elsewhere, and sell India manufactured goods from Britain in return.
One of the biggest things Gandhi complained about was that Indian industry had declined not because of taxes or government regulation, but because cheap British imports had flooded the market. Ironically, considering the fact that the world is now overrun with cheap Asian imports, it was considered one of the most harmful aspects of colonialism (by Gandhi, at least, but his whole economic policy was based on a sentimental attachment to cottage industries - hence the spinning wheel on the Indian flag)
And one of the reasons India's economy stagnated for forty years after independence was because one of the first things the new government did was throw up trade tariffs to protect inefficient local producers.
After the British took direct control of India in the 1850s the policy was to keep taxes low and expenses at a bare minimum, but even then the tiny colonial government still cost more than India's tax revenue in a lot of years and had to be bailed out by the mother country. The memes about Britain looting India's wealth are just that: memes.
>three men in a room, each 170 centimeters tall
>average height in the room: 170cms
>a man 186cm tall enters the room
>the three men who were already in the room are now 4cm below average height for the room
>they get angry at the tall guy for making them 4cm shorter
Indians are genuinely this retarded
You forgot to mention that 1.86 guy stole 20cm from jeets and other people
India percentage didn't stay the same or get higher because the white israelites looted the shit(no pun intended) out of India
I thought Indians loved israelites. Why the antisemitic remark?
I'm not Indian, I hate israelites and whites equally
Did they kick your dog?
Pretty sure whites and israelites are the dog lovers
You hate them because you are anti-dog?
Arguing with people like
is pointless, they're incapable of thought and will just recite the lines they've been fed until you get bored and give up, at which point they will believe that they 'proved you wrong'
>never play chess with a pigeon.jpg
Yeah obviously the good angloids traveled thousands of miles overseas and spent countless money fighting wars just to build some railways that actually got india better with no profit for the nice humane brits, do you know how dumb you sound?
>Shit nobody ever said.jpg
Are you aware of how retarded you sound at the moment? Are you aware that you're proving my point?
>with no profit for the nice humane brits
>The attraction of India for Britain was in trade, not in taxation
>Ironically,
The real irony is that the British set up uncompetitively high tariff barriers for Indian goods to protect their island's manufacturers and intentionally made it as difficult as possible to set up any kind of industry in India, since they only wanted to milk the place for their own benefit.
I don't care about the Britain colonialism argument necessarily but these two probably read Marx and literally nothing else.
>Country Y's GDP grew by 25%
>Country X's GDP grew by 5%
Therefore Y is oppressing X
Fucking retards.
>growth of the economy, percentage of the economy taken as tax revenue
How is such data even collected or accurately estimated for the muglar?
The railroads were fully paid by Indians at ridiculously high rates per mile.
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So, more money that went to the proletarians?
Mostly to rich British shareholders.
Wow. Did you know British railroads were paid for by the British? And French railroads paid by the French?
The thing is that people always pretend that the railroads the British built in India were some grand act of civilising charity, even though they were an overpriced ripoff that could've been built just fine without any British involvement.
Yeah, India had many qualified railway engineers and a well-developed industrial economy to produce the materials, there was no need for British expertise and investment.
Wait, shit, no - India was an agrarian society that was nowhere close to the social and technological changes needed for that kind of infrastructure.
>How the British impoverished the world's richest country
Well I'm sure this will be accurate and unbiased. I wonder how it's going to address the fact that Indian GDP was much larger when the British left than when they arrived.
Engineers can be hired from whatever place. It doesn't really matter.
>India was an agrarian society that was nowhere close to the social and technological changes needed for that kind of infrastructure.
Britain was a similarly agrarian society just a few decades before they managed to gain a dominant position in India. It was their stranglehold that prevented any real industrial development in India infeasible.
>I wonder how it's going to address the fact that Indian GDP was much larger when the British left than when they arrived.
Indian GDP per capita was totally stagnant under the British and started shooting straight up after they left. Incidentally all major famines ended as well.
>and started shooting straight up after they left
Not what your own graph tells lmao. Or is it growth when there is a fall for decades with a new trend only after the cold war by pure coincidence the period socialists were in power.
>GDP before 1800
Read the thread
>Not what your own graph tells lmao
In case you've forgotten, India gained independence in 1947. The trend of serious growth begins shortly after.
Yeah after 1990
before.
>interpolates 1970 to 2000 for no reason
Let me guess was the value in 1990 closer to that of 1980, or 2000?
Are you blind or simply pretending?
Who would bring the technical know how there if not the british that invented them? And how much later? What it local rulers opposed or just didn't show interest in investing money they could be enriching themselves with?
Wow, they parasitised the country for decades, caused famines but left a HECKING railroad?
>caused famines
so did the mughals
> There is reason to think
I stopped reading after that cope.
because poos were illiterate (as they are now) and didn't keep detailed written records
> Many famines occurred
> But umm..like, poos just didn't write them down!
The Anglos were shit rulers who turned India into a shithole.
It's a good thing, israelites are making them into a hated minority within england.
Pic very much related.
what i find hilarious is that many of the same people who cry about israelites subverting their culture, forcing diversity, creating divide and conquer protected classes, etc. are the same people who will rant to end on why the rothschilds were a good thing for india
the actual based take is none india has always been a shithole
The british easily. Their predecessors left an incredibly low bar to clear, that's how they managed over a century of relatively little resistance from elites or local peasant revolts until nationalism grew after 1900. Revisionism of rich mughal period India has proved nonsense and it is pretty funny given not even pakis nevermind majority non muslims in India have any particular love for them nowadays and as expected was fully driven by western leftists.
How is this data even collected.
All I see is a bunch of revisionist BS.
Ever heard of written sources?
Written sources left over from the mughlar era provide sufficient data to estimate GDP growth and tax revenue?
Okay, show them.
No, on how harsh their 'rule' was.
why do Indians call strangers "dear"? is it a relic of the British Raj? if so, are they too retarded to understand that the British aren't culturally dominant in the anglosphere anymore?
They only do that to women. They are used to arranged marriages and so they don't have a lot of interactions with women and it's also why they make up 90% of all "show bob and vegana". A lot of places with arranged marriages or low interaction with women lead to that.
>pic
Uh-h-h, isn't mughal empire one of the gunpowder empires?
For the common man it didn't really change. For the Princes of India it either got a whole lot better if they threw their lot in with the British or they got obliterated
Mughals were just homosexual turkic empire who got reduced to nothing when the their ruler aurangazeb decided to islamify India
Marathas are still prominent in Indian politics and its role in dharmic identity, but the empire was nothing but tax collecting and it didnt want to destroy kingdoms.
British rule is nothing but the worst, police state that pushed homosexualry, reducing and buckbreaking India into a poverty filled rump desolate state, caused all kinds of famines, deaths, christcuckolding, ww1 and ww2, communal riots, 2 states even though muslims still live among hindus TILL THIS DAY
TL DR I want hindurastra
>British rule pushed homosexualry
???
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/11/asia/british-empire-lgbt-rights-section-377-intl/index.html
>The homophobic legacy of the British Empire
>India was in fact one of the first colonies to outlaw LGBT sexual relations under British imposed legislation.
>As was the case in India, Malaysia also criminalizes same-sex relations under Section 377, based on the original British colonial legislation.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-18/today-s-anti-lgbtq-laws-trace-their-roots-to-british-colonialism?leadSource=uverify%20wall
>Today’s Anti-LGBTQ Laws Trace Their Roots to British Colonialism
>The law is an often-overlooked legacy of British colonial rule in India, where in 1860, the first prohibition on sodomy was written into a penal code, according to Human Rights Watch. The law was eventually exported across the British empire, stretching across roughly 40 places in Africa, Asia and the Pacific.
Apparently, dastardly and cringe Anglodevils tricked colonials into doing gaysex with each other but simultaneously BASED Brits bullied browns back into the closet.
What about the Mauryas?
anglo rule was essentially protoglobohomo and loses by default
>t. butthurt shitskin
>shipping browns around the world is a good thing, trust me
When we win you lot and your entire disgusting mongrel race will be wiped off the face of the earth.
>reddit filename
>multi-reply post full of pure seethe
pottery
Imagine not even being fit to be slaves! You're worse than naggers! AHAHAHAHAHA
Imagine losing the demographic majority in your own country, without a shot fired.
You are worst than injuns.
> Projected a minority within mere decades.
> israelites have complete control over the currency and the information flow.
> Lost the tech advantage
> Lost the population size advantage.
> thinks he is going to be winning any time soon.
Okay...
shiiet mane its these bloody britishers fault we bathe in poo mane they dont wanna see a young jeetigga succeed in lyfe mane
Mughals of course. India was at the peak of its military and economic power and they left major cultural legacies