Who was Napoleon's greatest Marshal, and why is it Ney?


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Who was Napoleon's greatest Marshal, and why is it Ney?

"Ney was seen during one of the charges beating his sword against the side of a British cannon in furious frustration. During the battle, he had five horses killed under him, and at the end of the day, Ney led one of the last infantry charges, shouting to his men: "Come and see how a marshal of France meets his death!"[ It was as though Ney was seeking death, but death did not want him, as many observers reported"

  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was Davout, Ney was kind of a retard

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed. Davout actually has some impressive victories under his belt and can act independently without Napoleon's direct command.

      Suchet, Lannes, and Messena are honorable mentions.

      Soult only gets high ranks because he knew how to play the politics games. Ney was a fucking idiot whose best moments was launching an attack without orders on the Prussians getting caught out of position and over extended at Jena and a rearguard action from the retreat of Moscow that Nappy and the French had to spin as heroic for propaganda purposes.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Soult commanded the right wing of the army at the battle of Austerlitz (2 December 1805). It was this wing that captured the Pratzen heights, the key to the entire battle. This success won him great praise from Napoleon, who called him “le premier maneovrier de l’Europe”. Soult would also go on to play a prominent role at the battles of Jena (1806) and Eylau (1807).

        Soult had fought Wellington’s forces for over a year (but, as Napoleon put it, “because he kept beating you, you think he’s a good soldier”).

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Soult commanded the right wing of the army at the battle of Austerlitz
          That was Davout who held the right at Sokolnitz and Telnitz. Soult commanded the center.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      maybe ney was not a great tactician but his escape from the russians at kraznoi was wizard tier. what he lacked in brains he made up in resilience and willpower.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Napoleon's time was so incredibly kino

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What’s he doing? What’s Ney doing? What’s happening? Can’t I leave the field for a minute? What’s he doing there? How can a man go forward with the cavalry without infantry support!? What’s the matter with you?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      based Waterloo enjoyer

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Imadeonemistakeinmylifeishouldhaveburnedberlin.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Objectively
    1. Davout
    2. Lannes
    3. Suchet
    4. Saint-Cyr
    5. Moncey
    6. Soult
    7. Berthier
    8. Massena
    9. Ney
    10. Murat
    11. Victor
    12. MacDonald
    13. Oudinot
    14. Lefebvre
    15. Mortier
    16. Poniatowski
    17. Augereau
    18. Jourdan
    19. Bernadotte
    20. Grouchy
    21. Marmont

    Honorary marshals:
    1. Serurier
    2. Kellerman
    3. Brune
    4. Kellerman

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      How much reading do you think it took you to confidently assess 20+ secondary characters (albeit important ones) in world history? I'm genuinely curious because I haven't done a deep dive into Napoleon and I'd like to, but there's just so much documentation

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think he cheated and watched the Epic History thing on ranking Napoleon's Marshals.

        OPs pic is merch from that channel.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        At least 30-40 hours.
        There isn't much about them in English but there should be a few tid bits around about them with a few them having a biography.

        I think he cheated and watched the Epic History thing on ranking Napoleon's Marshals.

        OPs pic is merch from that channel.

        Actually, I saw that a few years after reading about them. I disagree with a lot of their choices.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bernadotte because he defeated Napoleon

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lannes is absolute bvll

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    berthier was the sole reason napoleon’s autistic logistical model was realized and once he was left out it was all fucked

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Napoleon's marshals always make me think about this clip of Bill Burr talking about Steve Jobs:

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Which one has the best post-war career?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bernadotte. His descendants are kings of Sweden to this day.

  10. 4 months ago
    Chud Anon

    What’s the best biography of Napoleon lads?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous
  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most people put Davout at #1, and rightly so as he was a brilliant officer and defintely deserves that spot. That said, he was also somewhat of an autist and was not well liked by the other marshals. Napoleon seems not to have trusted him either and would often disregard his advice or put him in stupid places where he wouldn't be of much use.
    I think that things would have turned out better had Davout died at Aspern-Essling and Lannes had survived. Lannes was just as competent as Davout, but he was also liked by many of the marshals (or was intimidating to those who didn't like him) and was probably Napoleon's best friend. Someone competent being able to check Napoleon on some of his dumber decisions would have been a huge help in some of the later campaigns, especially in Russia.

    All that said, Ney is my favorite of them. I always find myself feeling bad for him after the Russian campaign. The man was obviously suffering from PTSD and I think that's what led to the death wish he had at Waterloo. It's a shame that he didn't wind up dying in battle and instead was betrayed by his own nation.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are some good books about the Marshalls? In every book about the period, or Napoleon biography, you always get enough info to know these guys all had very fascinating lives and exploits in themselves, but they're never the focus.

    Is there a good book that focuses on the Marshalls or does one have to read individual biographies of each?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are three collective books all named "Napoleon's Marshals" by David P. Chandler, Richard Dunn Pattison and R. F. Delderfield.
      Some Marshals who were more prominent like Davout and Ney have books dedicated to them.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks man

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    General Calvet (and Gaston) would rek these pretenders.

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