Where did the myth of negotiating dealership fees come from? Is that only for new cars.
Where did the myth of negotiating dealership fees come from? Is that only for new cars.
Where did the myth of negotiating dealership fees come from? Is that only for new cars.
It was a thing, once upon a time. Now if you try they'll just tell you to fuck off so they can sell it to the next schmuck. We need to change retarded dealership laws so that we can buy direct from the manufacturer without the middleman adding fees and "market adjustments", and it needs to happen ASAP.
i, too, miss saturn
yes that is my experience they tell me to fuck off the best offer I got off the entire out the door price is $200 off and that was with a car I test drove that had the fucking brake caliper melted
its quite simple. We crash the market by not buying. The media will loudly screech that consumers are no longer interested in driving, etc, and spew whatever whore filth their corporate masters tell them to.
Just keep fucking starving them. Starve dealerships, starve auto makers, starve everything.
Yeah, I mean that's it.
M8, almost every problem can be solved like that, we ''''simply'''' co-operate all together and do X and in less than 2 weeks, everything will be solved.
In theory, if everyone said No during the plandemic measurements, in less than 1 month the world would be back to normal and the markets would've never crashed etc.
But it is easier said than done. Your problem is, you think about it logically, but logic no longer applies in the post 2010's world.
Don't get me wrong, your theory would solve the car price problem in less than 1 month, hell, maybe even 1 week if EVERYONE stopped buying new cars, but it's just that, a theory.
>Your problem is, you think about it logically
but you didn't *TAP PIPE*, which is a requirement for thinking about something logically.
Back then dealerships were not in the same dealer group.
Dealer fees are exaggerated and do not count towards salesman commissions. Signing a few titles etc then driving to DMV with the stack is the process.
>negotiating dealership fees
Negotiate out the door, tax inclusive pricing. Who cares how they organize the lines as long as you're happy with the total offer? They're going to make the numbers work for them no matter what
with used cars I am seeing nothing no willingness to come off a dime they tell me the price I ask for the out the door price they it's like 1500-2000 dollar more and it's take it or leave it they don't care that I am paying cash I guess these used places want you to do financing
Every place wants you to finance through them, they get per contract kickbacks
looking at margins now, and the increasingly unstable used car market, figure out your local tax rate and offer 10% off the sale price+tax, accept as high as 7% off that
Don't forget, a lot of that is taxes which they can't do anything about. Still, it's not yet a buyers market and may not be for a long time as long as new cars keep being luxury yachts with 10,000 electronics that WILL break by the time they hit the used market.
How about we get the fucking cars directly from the manufacturer? Why not change the "Princeton Toyota" or "Ford of Aspen" for just "Ford©"
Many states in the US have laws that make that exact process illegal. Texas only lets you buy new cars from licensed dealers and explicitly bans manufacturers from selling directly to customers. Tesla gets around this by selling the car through Oklahoma and shipping all the necessary paperwork to get the title and registration moved to Texas.
Yes, and that's a problem. Middlemen don't help anyone but themselves.
Demand is too high. However there are still some things you shouldn't have any issue insisting they remove/don't add:
>etch
>undercoat
>clear bra (it's cheaper to get this done aftermarket if you want one)
>all extended warranty/tire protection/maintenance plans
>paint protection (ceramic now)
things that they are unlikely to budge on:
>doc fee
>going below msrp
>freight
Doc fee used to be an automatic thing to get them to drop but they're not doing it anymore.
You're supposed to say
>ok now how much is that "on the books"
The old boomer "advice" of offering cash is out the door as well. Dealers hate that shit, and they get huge kickbacks from a bunch of dogshit flybynight "banks" to finance
I honestly wish I could just low key pay the salesman 600 dollars straight up, and get me out the door with a good price. They are so scummy they'd still screw for a few pennies more though
Car market is substantially different than before coronavirus