Where can i find trad women like this ?

I want a trad woman like this but who isn't muslim. I'm apostate but i kept the good values of the religion, i just didn't wanted to believe to the bullshit anymore.

I wanna find a wife like me, beautiful arab looking girl like picrel, non-muslim but still conservative, traditionnal, decent.

Is it too much to ask for a woman ? Because every woman i know is either a religious retard or a depraved whore.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its possible but why not find a reasonably decent one tell her about your way of thinking practically. Religion is good and all that but practicality just work irl.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In Syria

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what the fuck does "trad" even mean? you incels have so many retarded buzzwords that have no real substance.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      “Traditional”. Basically a meek housewife who’ll be their substitute mother as well as a mother to their kids. It’s a balm against the “uppity” independent women in their lives who have the freedom to fuck who they want but pointedly won’t fuck them.

      I get the incel retreat into religion. “I’m pure” is a much better story to tell yourself than “Nobody will fuck me”, but it’s being used a gateway into some outright poisonous ideology. The term “trad” seems to come from Nazi ideology that somehow got caught up in their whole deal. The Nazis were always trying to present the “ordinariness” of traditional German families in contrast with the “degenerate” modernity they saw in places like Berlin. The whole “reject modernity embrace tradition” slogan was part of that and you see it on this board.

      Thing is there are reasons those “traditions” are dying out boys, at least in the rigid form incels and religious nuts fantasise about. They’re just not sustainable. Put yourself and the people you love in chains and there’ll always be part of you and part of them that long to be free. Suppress it too long and that part of your soul and theirs will eventually rebel and poison your white picket fence fantasy. Your “trad” wife will get sick id the way you take her for granted and self sabotage, picking fights, emotional cheating, a dead bedroom or even outright infidelity. Your kids will rebel against your values as part of the process of growing up and your efforts to control them will only make it worse. You yourself, having spent a lifetime suppressing your own urges, will end up drinking, beating your wife, cheating or retreating to your bathroom so you can jerk furiously to futanari.

      Better to allow room for humans to be human and not be so beholden to “the rules”. Self denial only leads to misery.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not

        what the fuck does "trad" even mean? you incels have so many retarded buzzwords that have no real substance.

        but sincerely, thank you for taking you time to write this. All this "trad wife" thing is really messing up with people expectations regarding relationships and what people are.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >All this "trad wife" thing is really messing up with people expectations regarding relationships and what people are.
          Everyone should be trad. Unfortunately the society has degenerated. It's messing up with people's expectations that the ideal partner is someone who follows God's law? Then it really is over.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > who’ll be their substitute mother as well as a mother to their kids.
        How do I get this? I don’t care if she’s religious or whatever but this sounds like the dream

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don’t be so sure. Mothers are nurturing but they also have expectations that their nurturing will bear fruit in terms of maturity. You’ll resent her the second she tells you to stand up straight, work harder, stop playing video games and mow the lawn.

          She’ll say “Why can’t you be more like Susan’s husband? He’s a manager. Why aren’t you a manager?” Not only will the sex dry up because you’re a boy in her eyes and she wants a man, but so will the chicken tendies.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Independent women are miserable basket cases.

        Sad to say I'm dating a girl who embodies both sides of the coin and it's a fucking nightmare in its own right, my own personal failing aside.

        She's got a bit of a past but I don't really seem to "do it" for her which tears at me. Meanwhile, I pull solid money and she's miserable having to work at all rather than be at home raising kids. She was seemingly deluded into thinking liberty and sexual freedom would equate to happiness.

        Meanwhile I am second guessing our relationship constantly because I can't negotiate attraction or stability. I feel like I can't compare to the other men previous to me. But she's a great cook and super good emotionally, as long as her and I keep the clothes on. Except I can't even have solace knowing that I was some sort of "leader" in having her, rather than being settled for.

        I have trouble committing to a girl that doesn't feel like she's "mine" in the sense of the word. She has trouble feeling attraction to me outside the money and passable companionship I offer, even though I'm definitely worth something. Meanwhile she is so good on the other "traditional" front outside the bedroom that I have a hard time leaving because most of the other "independent" women are shit tier and can't compare for any of the emotional or "house wife stuff" but I get to have half a "house wife" that was previously just open legs for whatever handsome gentlemen.

        It's a completely fucked up situation because we've convinced outselves "tradition" is bad, cringe, etc. Men who are serious about dating and don't fall into the "un sexable" category are met with used up women. Women are taught that just doing whatever the fuck you want all the time results in a happy ending. There's a happy medium that we missed a long time ago.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Thing is there are reasons those “traditions” are dying out boys, at least in the rigid form incels and religious nuts fantasise about. They’re just not sustainable.
        I sort of get your point, but what you're talking about is very uniquely 21st century.

        Fact is that those traditions were the basis of most human societies for the vast majority of recorded history. Most human beings throughout history were religious, and would be considered "conservative" or "traditional" by today's standards.

        Why do you think that all of them were wrong, and only we who live in this late 20th c/21st c liberal democratic era are right?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Christians don’t do polygamy, yet the Bible doesn’t forbid it. Ever wonder why? Your father didn’t have slaves who served as concubines to bear children for your mother. You didn’t grow up with multiple women in the household all serving the role of mother and wife.

          Christians and westerners in general don’t do polygamy because Christian values are derived from Greco-Roman values. Those just got superimposed on Judean beliefs when Christianity hit it big in the Greek speaking part of the Roman world. Should they have broken with their cultural practices and gone back to the more “traditional” Levant polygamous patriarch model?

          Family values are cultural and contextual. There are many ways families can form and provide happy stable places for people to call home. The modern form is just the latest iteration.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The modern form is just the latest iteration.
            Yes, because the factual increase of broken homes and shallow, promiscuous relationships is the gold standard of happy, stable families in le current year.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > who’ll be their substitute mother as well as a mother to their kids.
        Both is gross. I want my spouse to be a mother to my family not me wtf you guys want to be mom'd?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          americans are repressed and always go on about how they like older women. mommy issues and also feminism tells them they can't like 18-22 year old girls

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Absolutely savage, /thread

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Basically a meek housewife who’ll be their substitute mother as well as a mother to their kids. It’s a balm against the “uppity” independent women in their lives who have the freedom to fuck who they want but pointedly won’t fuck them.
        in the BDSM/kink world women who are free and independent purposely become submissive who essentionally are meek housewifes who do anything their dom says. some women just want to be trad or submissive

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >everyone I don't like is an incel

      “Traditional”. Basically a meek housewife who’ll be their substitute mother as well as a mother to their kids. It’s a balm against the “uppity” independent women in their lives who have the freedom to fuck who they want but pointedly won’t fuck them.

      I get the incel retreat into religion. “I’m pure” is a much better story to tell yourself than “Nobody will fuck me”, but it’s being used a gateway into some outright poisonous ideology. The term “trad” seems to come from Nazi ideology that somehow got caught up in their whole deal. The Nazis were always trying to present the “ordinariness” of traditional German families in contrast with the “degenerate” modernity they saw in places like Berlin. The whole “reject modernity embrace tradition” slogan was part of that and you see it on this board.

      Thing is there are reasons those “traditions” are dying out boys, at least in the rigid form incels and religious nuts fantasise about. They’re just not sustainable. Put yourself and the people you love in chains and there’ll always be part of you and part of them that long to be free. Suppress it too long and that part of your soul and theirs will eventually rebel and poison your white picket fence fantasy. Your “trad” wife will get sick id the way you take her for granted and self sabotage, picking fights, emotional cheating, a dead bedroom or even outright infidelity. Your kids will rebel against your values as part of the process of growing up and your efforts to control them will only make it worse. You yourself, having spent a lifetime suppressing your own urges, will end up drinking, beating your wife, cheating or retreating to your bathroom so you can jerk furiously to futanari.

      Better to allow room for humans to be human and not be so beholden to “the rules”. Self denial only leads to misery.

      Incels are modernist degenerates to the core who have nothing whatsoever to do with religion or morality, and your unhinged diatribe is just a loose associated of baseless assumptions and attacks against people who, fundamentally, hold values that you don't.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bro, I grew up in a fundamentalist church. I held your values once. I also watched the people I grew up with try and fail at the “trad” lifestyle I’m describing. I have friends and family who are still deeply religious and I love and respect them and don’t try to tear down their beliefs. Try me for knowledge of the Bible and doctrine and you’ll lose the fight.

        I’m not describing genuinely religious people who grew up in church. I’m describing the tradcel larpers you see online. Nazis are out there trying to recruit and they’ll use the religious angle to push the conversation toward and normalise their own beliefs. Incels will latch onto anything that will salve the pain of loneliness, so they’ve been repeating the nazi propaganda.

        Look around you. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re not a cynical white supremacist yourself, but you’ve got to recognise the people you’re standing beside.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not religious, but I can recognize someone who has contempt for the values themselves when I see it. When you say things like "I held your values once" (past tense), it's fucking obvious what my problem with your post's angle is, and it has nothing to do with memorizing your congregation's doctrine or reading the Bible X times.

          >you’ve got to recognise the people you’re standing beside.
          That's the thing. I'm not. You're making the ridiculous connection between incels who are motivated only by selfish hedonism and delusions of grandeur, "white supremacists", and people who want a spouse with morals. It's completely disconnected from reality. The only thing these groups have in common is that you direct your disdain towards each and find it convenient to smear them by association with the others.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The connection is very real and deliberate and you’re either refusing to understand or trying to muddy the waters. I’ll break it down for you:

            Religion is a memeplex of ideas that are modular and dynamic and can fit any number of lifestyles and political leanings. It’s also old and associated with the past, so it gets associated with traditional values.

            Nazism and its related movements are a political movement predicated on the notion that races are tangible, real, good things and that the modern world has degenerated from a mythical past where the “natural order” was obeyed. The aims of the movement are to destroy modernity and bring back the mythical golden age by reimposing traditional values and ethnic cleansing.

            Incels are a political ideology that is fundamentally misogynistic, but also happens to long for a mythical golden age when things were better and every man got to at least have a wife.

            These movements are not the same. Not at all. In fact, they aren’t even necessarily natural allies. Except that they all have crossover in their adherents’ desire to return to the mythical past when men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.

            Nazis and incels are pushing the religion angle to get recruits and normalise their ideologies. Incels do it because they’re bitter and angry and misery loves company. Nazis do it because they love social hierarchies any anti-modernist movement hastens the coming of their white ethnostate.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The connection is very real and deliberate
              I didn't say there was no connection--I said you're loose associating, because you are. You are either consciously or instinctively using unambiguously "bad" groups (incels and 'Nazis') to paint specific morals in a bad light, despite the motivating values in the case of incels being diametrically opposed to the values that 'trad religion' espouses.

              > on the notion that races are tangible, real
              This is a basic litmus test of sanity. Valuing one's race is hardly evil, either. To call anybody under this description a genocidal 'supremacist' is just hysterics.

              >Incels are a political ideology that is fundamentally misogynistic
              They're fundamentally selfish, but through an egalitarian lens. They're literal caricatures of what feminists complain about, they interpret things in feminist terms or reactively against feminist positions (i.e. "Men's Rights", "women are bad because they don't act the same as men do or should", etc.). They don't give a single shit about morality, and the only time I've ever seen them referring to religion is as part of a diatribe against women. Some feminist said that Christianity is oppressive because of some passage in the Bible? Cue incels who just want the excuse to call women stupid holes or some ridiculous nonsense.

              Is there intersection? Sort of. Incels take whatever feminists whine about (the most unsympathetic interpretations of the past) and attach to it as a way to lash out at women. "Nazis" (by your definition, it seems people who are actually willing to conserve things like their own group or society) correctly notice that social mores have changed, and that the change has been generally negative. The religious will see much the same thing in society, it's just that you've imposed an absurd condition on them: if someone religious wants to stop the decline in morality, then he's basically a Nazi to you. In effect, you require them to roll over and die.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I never said the morals are bad because incels and white nationalists agree with them. I’m saying they’re inadequate because they simply don’t work.

                Also, nice of you to confirm what I’m talking about. “What’s wrong with being a little bit racist?” “I’m just asking questions”. You’re trying to mainstream white supremacist ideology. Literal propaganda tactics straight from the playbook.

                >The modern form is just the latest iteration.
                Yes, because the factual increase of broken homes and shallow, promiscuous relationships is the gold standard of happy, stable families in le current year.

                Low divorce rate was just masking a ton of unhappy marriages, spousal abuse, cheating and closet homosexuality that was happening anyway. The main reason the divorce rate spiked when no-fault divorce finally became legal was because of backed-up demand from people who couldn’t get a divorce before. These days, the divorce rate is actually much much lower than the oft-cited 50% and is very closely tied to economic factors (the richer you are when you get married, the more likely you are to stay married). The divorce rate among Millennials is lower than it was for Gen X and Boomers. I’m inclined to bet Zoomers will bring it even lower.

                Rates of children whose genetic paternity wasn’t the same as their nominal father are remarkably stable (~10-12%) across time and cultures. In Mexico, in the US, Europe, Africa and Asia and even tribal societies, it stays fairly constant. It’s closer to 10% in very buttoned down cultures but even there, people are still breaking the rules.

                Medieval peasants were definitely cheating on each other.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > I’m saying they’re inadequate because they simply don’t work.
                Which is patently false. There are factually better or worse ways of doing things, and some of the better ways just so happen to be advocated by religion.

                >You’re trying to mainstream white supremacist ideology.
                You are using "Nazi", "white nationalist", and "white supremacist" interchangeably. You're chock full of shit. "Nazi" is a buzzword that has lost all sense or meaning besides "something I don't like", A white nationalist is someone who wants a white nation, i.e. a homogeneous society. A white supremacist is a total meme who thinks that whites are superior to other races and should therefore rule over them--which is on its face totally incompatible with the idea of a homogeneous society. You're just endlessly flinging out scare words because you know that indirect smears are the only tack you have.
                I don't care what you call me, but don't insult me with this incoherence masquerading as an argument.

                >Low divorce rate was just masking a ton of unhappy marriages, spousal abuse, cheating and closet homosexuality that was happening anyway
                Partially. When you say divorces spiked, that's literally the case--then they relaxed after the pent-up stress was released, and later climbed to a new, higher norm--not merely because of divorce laws but because of changing, shittier norms for relationships.
                The fact is that more 'modern' relationship arrangements that you promote as the rightful new norm demonstrably result in more broken relationships AND less happy ones. You can see the statistics on waiting until marriage yourself. People who wait until marriage (even controlling for their religion) divorce less and have happier marriages.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I use them interchangeably because my arguments are applicable for several related groups. My use of the word “nazi” is just a quick shorthand that people recognise. Believe me, nobody outside of the far right cares about the distinction between someone who wants to expel all non-whites, someone who wants non-whites to be second class citizens and someone who wants to commit a literal genocide.

                Fact is, it doesn’t matter what I call you - you’re still trying to mainstream racist beliefs by piggybacking on religion. You’re just freaking out right now because I called you on it and you don’t know what to do.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > you’re still trying to mainstream racist beliefs by piggybacking on religion
                No, I'm not. I unapologetically have my beliefs about human groups, which include caring about my own. I've openly said I'm not religious. And I've also said that I can see the purpose and value behind some moral teachings of religion. Lay off the snarky Tim Wise speeches and pull your head out of your ass. You're the one who came in here, guns blazing, trying out every possible invective and asspull you could come up with to "mainstream" the idea that OP must be personified metaphysical evil because he asked how to find a partner who's "non-muslim but still conservative, traditionnal, decent." You have zero right to complain about supposedly hidden agendas when that DEFINES your posts. Maybe the reason leftist garbage is constantly guilty of this kind of rank hypocrisy is that, for people who can't help but propagandize, everything else looks like propaganda. Kind of like thieves are worried about getting stolen from.

                > You’re just freaking out right now because I called you on it and you don’t know what to do.
                How? I'm not hiding anything. Do you think really think that labelling things disarms them?
                I'm pissed at the continued incoherence on your part of conflating wildly different things into the single box of "things I don't like" My point from the beginning was that you're sneering at values themselves and using any method you can think up to discredit them. That is, except for a direct admission that you despise everything someone like OP cares about. And it's this intellectual dishonesty that pissed me off enough to engage you, from the first post through to this one. Cut the crap and stop talking about tangential nonsense in pitiful attempts to give yourself a veneer of objectivity. You have contempt for the concept of lifelong monogamy, for the idea that men and women are different, or that a complementary relationship could be good.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didn’t respond to the OP at all. I just answered some random dude’s question about what this “trad” nonsense was about. There are different ingredients in the pot and I explained what they were. All my posts have been dissecting the idea of “trad” and how it’s used on the Internet.

                At no point did I call the OP evil or even imply he was wrong for seeking out a more conservative girl who wasn’t religious. I can’t help him, so I didn’t answer his questions.

                I don’t despise “traditional” family values. I’m married with kids myself. I also recognise that the carnival mirror version of the life I lead that’s implied in the word “trad” (male breadwinner, obedient wife who doesn’t work, does all the chores and bulk of the child rearing) is an unsustainable fantasy. My marriage is strong because my wife and I are equal partners and we face the world together.

                You’re the one here seething and putting words in my mouth, talking about values without articulating what they are.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because responding to a guy who called OP an incel with your diatribe about being 'trad' has nothing to do with OP, despite the word being in the thread title. Sure, dude. It's even more unhinged to go on the rant you did when you just said there was no connection to the thread.
                Even in the most generous take, where we can entirely blame the first guy who got assblasted at OP for the subject matter of your post, you were all too happy to oblige and expand on the vitriol.

                > is an unsustainable fantasy.
                So your entire post was about a caricature that was conjured up by you in the first place, and which had no connection to what OP was saying? Just fuck off and start your own thread, then.

                > talking about values without articulating what they are.
                I literally *just* reiterated them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re getting mad at me because of a some other anon called OP an incel? I was just answering questions. People call each other names on this board. If you can’t handle that, you need to stop posting.

                And yes, the word “trad” does imply an unsustainable fantasy in its usage by people on this board, especially incels. Words don’t belong to you - they mean whatever meaning people use them for.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That guy called OP an incel. You went off about how incels glom onto the "trad" label despite the only time I've ever even seen them lumped together is by people like the both of you. Incels themselves never do that. The closest they come is warping some past standards (i.e. lifelong monogamy) to fit a delusional narrative that women should be property, that 'women are only good for their holes', etc.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So your argument is that nobody using the word “trad” when asking for advice on finding a girlfriend is an incel? That is a very long bow to draw.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Unironically, yes. I just haven't seen it, ever. Only people who reflexively call anyone like OP an incel.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry dude, but that’s just not true. I’ve seen incels throw around terms like “trad” all the time. They’re a loose agglomeration of people that run along a spectrum, not a monolith. Just because they’re not literally threatening to murder and rape women in every moment doesn’t mean they aren’t incels.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The divorce rate among Millennials is lower than it was for Gen X and Boomers. I’m inclined to bet Zoomers will bring it even lower.
                You're thinking of the absolute divorce rate (divorces per 1000 population, generally). Iirc, the relative divorce rate has been high and pretty much constant for the past few decades.
                And I'm not just talking about divorce, because the worst offenders nowadays don't even bother getting married. I'm talking about the prevalence of single parents, who are much more likely with common-law marriages dissolving at a much greater rate than actual ones.

                Anyway, the bottom line for all of this is basically a question of values. For people who value stability and happiness, not just in marriage but for society, modern norms are objectively poorer than the 'traditional' ones that you're so eager to disparage.
                I mean, OP was basically just asking "how do I find a kind wife who isn't a whore" and you go on this extended rant about how he's shacking up with incel white supremacists with mommy complexes and false beliefs in things that are but shouldn't be true.
                It was obvious from the beginning that your issue wasn't about morals. It was about values. You disdain OP's, and so you don't care about the morals which further them.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you incels have so many retarded buzzwords
      traditional people have always existed. the world didnt come into existence in 2016 retard

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have a High paying job and fluent career.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Christian Orthodox women are obligated to wear head coverings when attending church.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know. Women are so nasty these days of internet porn.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you're an exmuslim too? just download a muslim dating app if you're in the west. you can change your settings to non-practising. The girls on there are usually arab, pakistani, iranian, the type who will be more trad than girls from non-muslim backgrounds. Thing is though if you match with a non-practising girl there she might not be trad so could be tough..
    good luck, hope you get ur dick wet.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are you a man worthy of a good wife?

    protip: you're posting on LULZ calling strangers retards and whores, so no, you certainly do not deserve anything better than retards or whores.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I went on a date with an M.D. who looked just like this. She was a liberal NPC, though.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically- Syria, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Jordan.

    But also Bosnia.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have the same problems as a girl, but I'm not an apostate. Just a cultural muslim. I can't find a nice guy that's a balance between the super religious retard or the obnoxious extremely liberal type. Don't know where to find someone I can relate to that doesn't fall into either extremes

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