People ask that every year. They predict it every year. "Apple is dying." Used to be a cliche. Every newspaper in the 90s had an article like that. Even after the iMac. And then the iPod. And then the iPhone. And Intel Macs. And the headphone jack. And ARM. Every time they do something, the company is doomed.
One of these predictions should have been right, right? It's weird. It's kind of funny. Uncanny, almost. Like there's something going on here. Something unseen. On the surface, the company is always doomed. But it hasn't yet. It's still there. How can this be? It doesn't make sense, right? It doesn't make any sense.
You know what I think? There's someone pulling the strings. Someone sinister.
But I'm onto them. They're dinosaurs. With knife hands.
>Every newspaper in the 90s had an article like that.
90s Apple was indeed an awful experience all around. The iPod literally saved that fucking company. Had Microsoft not given Apple money over the course of the 90s the company would have died, period. Every executive in Apple will admit it, even Steve Jobs. Keeping Apple afloat was an anti-trust protection by Microsoft.
But today? Apple has a nice walled garden going that keeps people inside their playground, the software is good enough and the hardware is as well. Apple keeping the product line slim like they do means its excellent for IT departments to just buy in as there wont be 900 different versions of laptops or windows bouncing off their toolset.
Well, the iMac is what really turned things around, and the one big cash infusion (covert settlement) from MS, plus the MS commitment to continue developing Office for Mac.
iPod helped pivot Apple away from just computers (soon they would change their name to just "Apple", rather than "Apple Computers").
without their phone market and "services", they basically have nothing left. apple usa is cash poor. if the apple usa division runs out of money, apple ireland gives them "loans" to avoid tax, which has happened many times since establishing itself in europe. their computer lines are not selling well at all. it won't take much to finish them off if the bottom falls out of the phone market. people have warned for years that apple's share price is overinflated and overvalued. when that comes crashing back down to a realistic level (or the tech market collapses like it did 20+ years ago) many pension plans, hedgefunds etc.etc are going to collapse.
This is so bonkers dumb that I feel bad answering it. Apple Ireland exists as a tax haven for Apple. It's not a separate entity. And cash flowing from Ireland to US is only one of many juggling acts they do to stay afloat.
Anyway, Apple aren't going anywhere. It'll be around for at least another 30 years. What they are selling then? Who knows. But it knows what it's doing.
You are zoomer posting, friend. The return of Steve Jobs and the popularity of the Bondi Blue iMac was their 90’s turnaround. iPod was actually a later side project that utilized some overstock 5gb iBook drives. But the iMac sold well. It was priced right.
I promise you I am older than dirt. And used macs then (personally, a Power Computing clone, last of a breed killed by Steve once he rejoined Apple).
The iPod actually was born partly as a side project of Steve's dream device, the iPad. The phone as well. I'm sure some prototypes used iBook sized disks at one point, but there actualy was no iBook with a 5 GB disk. The first were 3 GB, in 2000 there was a refresh to 6 GB.
And by "iBook sized" I don't even mean storage, to be clear -- the disks they shhipped with were the tiny Hitachi micro drive or whatever, which was 1.8", rather than the 2.5" drives in iBooks (and PowerBooks etc from the era).
I actually forgot about this device, its been so long that I thought this and the ipod came out in the very early 2000s, but apparently that iMac came out in 1998.
without their phone market and "services", they basically have nothing left. apple usa is cash poor. if the apple usa division runs out of money, apple ireland gives them "loans" to avoid tax, which has happened many times since establishing itself in europe. their computer lines are not selling well at all. it won't take much to finish them off if the bottom falls out of the phone market. people have warned for years that apple's share price is overinflated and overvalued. when that comes crashing back down to a realistic level (or the tech market collapses like it did 20+ years ago) many pension plans, hedgefunds etc.etc are going to collapse.
>apple usa is cash poor. >apple ireland gives them "loans" to avoid tax,
That's entirely intentional to avoid paying US tax rates as Ireland offered them the lowest tax rates in Europe to set up (which is why 800+ US companies European bases are in Ireland. Tax rates and English language). It's got fuck all to do with Apple USA being "cash poor". It's everything to do with Apple avoiding paying the IRS and American tax payers what they owe.
>It's everything to do with Apple avoiding paying the IRS and American tax payers what they owe.
Which is why it's one of the most valuable companies on the planet. Tax avoidance.
And even then they're still one of the largest tax payers in the US. Back in 2018 they paid 38 billion in repatriation tax on 245 billion they brought back into the US. And the only reason they did it was because of Trump's tax cut bill which meant that 38 billion was a fraction of what they would have paid (the cut was to around 15-16%). So they took the hit from that to get the media and IRS and politicians off its back about not paying their taxes in the US. But it's still pretty much game on as there has been absolutely no law changes since in regard to closing taxation loopholes that allow them to offshore their wealth in the first place. Because every single cunt in congress uses the exact same loopholes.
>It's everything to do with Apple avoiding paying the IRS and American tax payers what they owe.
Which is why it's one of the most valuable companies on the planet. Tax avoidance.
And even then they're still one of the largest tax payers in the US. Back in 2018 they paid 38 billion in repatriation tax on 245 billion they brought back into the US. And the only reason they did it was because of Trump's tax cut bill which meant that 38 billion was a fraction of what they would have paid (the cut was to around 15-16%). So they took the hit from that to get the media and IRS and politicians off its back about not paying their taxes in the US. But it's still pretty much game on as there has been absolutely no law changes since in regard to closing taxation loopholes that allow them to offshore their wealth in the first place. Because every single cunt in congress uses the exact same loopholes.
https://americansfortaxfairness.org/issues/corporate-taxes/highlights-of-apples-tax-dodging/
Good read if anyone cares about Apples tax dodging. But you can apply it to every single US and non-EU entity that set up shop in Ireland when they offered the lowest tax rate in the EU.
The EU have said they plan to deal with the tax rate problem though by setting a minimal limit to what EU members can offer so nobody is getting more business. Thing is, with the UK out of the EU, Ireland is the only other EU country where English is the first language. And right now we don't know how the Irish are going to take being told "stop it" when their politicians are raking in as much money as they are from overseas tax dodgers.
This. Everything is getting shittier. Apple is one of the only companies where it basically works as advertised and you can talk to a human being if you need help.
This is what LULZ fags don't understand why 40 year old milfs who don't even have a computer will always buy apple.
>Samsung was starting to lean way too hard into aping Apple >My OnePlus 8t was showing signs of obsolesence one year in >The fucking $1000 ROG Phone 6 fell hard once and must've suffered some antenna damage because BT started to crap out, as did internet and even losing signal in places I didn't used to
If the 15 didn't have USB-C I probably would've grinned and beared with it but I was wanting some consistency for once after three duds, I could've just gotten a Pixel but I was never sure about its performance for games. Am I insane or does it seem like the 15 Pro Max is the only phone out there with a 1TB option?
This. Everything is getting shittier. Apple is one of the only companies where it basically works as advertised and you can talk to a human being if you need help.
This is what LULZ fags don't understand why 40 year old milfs who don't even have a computer will always buy apple.
Apple is too entrenched, because it's still seen as a 'cool' brand. Only when the perception is shattered, or when the shortcomings of it's products become too much and apple refuses to change will they lose favor with the normies. There's a reason why windows dominates the desktop pc market. Because it's just a better system for general, everyday office use. Apple is too stubborn and refuses to do the bare minimum to make their OS more usable and productive. Like holy shit it's been 20 years and still no automatic windows snapping? I dont mean I mean what windows has had since the mid 2000's.
yo I agree
They say they wanna make things work well before putting them into devices, but takes too long, and some situations just look like they are really fucking stubborn. it's been around since the beginning of their company.
What are you even talking about, Windows dominates the PC market in raw numbers because most of the world is poor and a lot of businesses are cost saving in any way they can. There is no functional reason why a Macbook wouldn't work just as well as a Windows laptop for in an office setting. Large scale dependent engineering companies aside, a Macbook works just as well, though even that might change with CAD now being supported on Apple hardware/software. But again functionally either will work, and Windows will win because the cost is orders of magnitude lower.
Aside from that, ironically it's because Windows users are not willing to work with a UNIX system that they find switching to macOS difficult, it requires greater brainpower to operate it in a way that gives full functionality to the user. You need to be comfortable using the terminal with your OS in much greater extent than with Windows if you want to take full advantage of OSX.
Indian CEO is really the only way they can fuck this up now.
Once Tim Apple gets replaced by the inevitable Indian CEO
I think both Apple and Google will try to keep the mobile market share close to 50/50, that way neither side will have to worry too much about antitrust cases
Indian CEO won't happen at Apple, they depend more on CEO charisma than any other company
Hear me out here, but what Apple needs is a tranny CEO
I bought an iphone 14 pro max this march and after seeing the 15 pro max and how it literally didnt change anything at all except the material of the phone (and some gaymer raytracing shit for a mobile phone lol) id say apple's decline starts now
also been noticing a lot of bugs in ios that just didnt happen before. the other day my screen was randomly locked to about 30fps until i restarted the phone. also still on ios 16 or whatever because i dont trust theyve fixed the overheating issues on 17. apple has the most h1b visa workers in all of the major tech companies so it's not a surprise. this is just what happens
it's important to note that this decline is happening now but only on the objective quality of their products. m1 was a huge deal, m2 and m3 are both worthless. the financial consequences of this decline wont be seen for quite some time
Nobody in 3d design or game development uses a mac, so all those benchmarks are useless.
Final cut is only used by youtubers who make advertisement videos.
Nobody in 3d design or game development uses a mac, so all those benchmarks are useless.
Final cut is only used by youtubers who make advertisement videos.
said, these use cases are literally only seen in youtube benchmarks and never again lol
the only professional apps that mac users run are adobe
Nobody in 3d design or game development uses a mac, so all those benchmarks are useless.
Final cut is only used by youtubers who make advertisement videos.
You do understand that the CPU speed, cache, memory bandwidth, SSD bandwidth, etc. which make it fast in benchmarks still exist when not running benchmarks, and benefit all use cases, right?
Not with Apple Silicon. It is good at hardware accelerated tasks, if you give it any other task, it will all fall apart.
The new M3 MBP gets 8-9 hours battery life watching youtube. My 4 year old Elitebook 830 G6 gets 11-13 hours using Brave lol.
Huh. Skipped the 14 Pro (as well as the 13 and 12, I was using an 11 Pro), got the 15 Pro because it;s the same weight pretty much as the 11 Pro, feels a bit smaller, screen is a major improvement, and USB-C. Never had the overheating issue myself (don't use Tiktok or Insta) but for sure haven't since the update (and it seems that did fix the issues).
And bugs seem to be popping up at about the same rate they always have. Been on iOS since it was iPhone OS. Used Android since the G1 as well. Bugs show up, get squashed both places.
Apple will outlast the 1970s machinery powering your local infrastructure. You'll be living in 1700 while someone else is using apple products in 2050 somewhere else on the planet.
If whatever Apple Goyslop they are currently selling like hotcakes stops selling, they will simply innovate their way out. They do it every single time. When the candy iMacs slowed down they started making iPods. Then the iPhone. They are looking for the next thing and they will find it. They have made some truly innovative and ahead-of-their-time products. Right now they can’t make the MacBook fast enough to sell and quality shows that.
They are slowly becoming just another tech company and people don't see them as "magic" anymore. Unless they get into enterprise or datacenter they've effectively capped out and I believe their current numbers are going to start dropping soon.
I don't consider them magic but I just enjoy the build quality and availability of support. If anything ever went wrong with my Pixel, I was on my own.
Maybe certain types companies particularly in media, but the overwhelming majority of corporations use dell/hp/lenovo business workstations/laptops in a windows ltsc domain managed by active directory. I was referring more to the software part of it with office applications, exchange, O365 and azure SaaS.
Everything to do with enterprise IT, data center, big data, and AI, Apple is completely absent in. So IF they were able to do that, then yeah they'd still have a ton of untapped potential cash. But MS, Amazon, and Google have a total stranglehold on those sectors. Possibly an opportunity for them in the data center/AI hardware sector though against Intel/AMD/Nvidia with their killer SoCs.
When the EU forces them to open up imessage or at least support RCS. Yes there are really normies who think iMessage is a decision factor for what phone they use.
Once Tim Apple gets replaced by the inevitable Indian CEO
I think both Apple and Google will try to keep the mobile market share close to 50/50, that way neither side will have to worry too much about antitrust cases
The downturn of having everything done in house is that they have to face the costs of actually doing it so their operating costs are much higher. Also, one of their tricks has been to book the entire leading edge manufacturing process of TSMC, which costs a fortune.
On the other hand they have tons of hard cash in hand. It would take a significant drop in sales first for we to able able to predict this.
Even if they were to be squeezed by costs and slowly diminishing revenue, they still have enough cash to try something or purchase someone.
If anything it seems like Apple is only doing better than ever... >Apple PC marketshare going up >windows just keeps shitting the bed >normies realizing a mac mini gets them premium apple experience for an affordable price >Gen Z and younger absolutely refuse to have any kind of smartphone except for an iphone >release of iphone SE to compete with affordable android phones
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You do understand that the CPU speed, cache, memory bandwidth, SSD bandwidth, etc. which make it fast in benchmarks still exist when not running benchmarks, and benefit all use cases, right?
During the upcoming depression. Mass unemployment will make make people reluctant to buy new phones.
I agree that he wasn’t a “smart” man. But he was a good hype-man and his ideas appealed to boomers and Gen X well enough to get them to pay a $600 markup for iCrap
iPhone in decline in Japan, the nips don't want it and they don't want to seem poor, like Americans who buy iphones
A Cringey aspect of american culture is poor people make-believing they're not poor if they walk around with expensive things (this is commonly seen with Africans buying shiny things), and apples latest ad campaign is telling me that women will have sex with them if they have an iPhone, and they get women to repeat the "blue bubble" comments to make-believing owning an iPhone = sex.
Whether you're looking for a great phone or looking to hop on the winning bandwagon, apple is losing in america too, and the google pixel is stealing crapple's sales.
And here we see the utter domination required to break through apple's legendary reality distortion field https://9to5google.com/2023/10/13/google-pixel-8-display/
Late Gen Z and Alpha are both raised on Google Chromebooks and Androids, so we're in for an age of Google domination.
Apple and Microsoft will both be on decline.
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Google docs & services work on Macs too...plus, once you have docs and sheets and shit solidified in your mind as "school grade shit," you're more than happy to pay for real software like Office.
You do understand that the CPU speed, cache, memory bandwidth, SSD bandwidth, etc. which make it fast in benchmarks still exist when not running benchmarks, and benefit all use cases, right?
iPhones are for poor people who work at mcdonalds and the like
apple has always been lowest quality bottom of the barrel currynagger shit in the name of profits
Late Gen Z and Alpha are both raised on Google Chromebooks and Androids, so we're in for an age of Google domination.
Apple and Microsoft will both be on decline.
microsoft is on solid ground due to the entrenchment of windows and (this was unthinkable a few years ago) microsoft DOES have the best apps. Teams, outlooks, excel, word - they're all the best and those are killer apps. and idk when this happened but somehow microsoft attached a ton of parasites to android and they're getting paid by google for each android device sold.
lol@ apple fags for not being able to watch this video
>lol@ apple fags for not being able to watch this video
Just watched on iPad. Is video supposed to be something that doesn't work on iOS according to chuds?
>Teams, Outlook, Excel, Word >killer apps
Maybe for companies or retarded boomers/millenials who’ve been using it for 20 years and assume it’s the best when there are better, free alternatives out there.
I refuse to ever use microshit’s garbage software for my own personal use.
If anything it seems like Apple is only doing better than ever... >Apple PC marketshare going up >windows just keeps shitting the bed >normies realizing a mac mini gets them premium apple experience for an affordable price >Gen Z and younger absolutely refuse to have any kind of smartphone except for an iphone >release of iphone SE to compete with affordable android phones
(cringey) American culture when poors make-believe they're rich.
I didn't do my homework on the iPhone, but the s23 ultra is the best phone ever made minus an SD card slot, audio jack, sim card tray, removable battery and other modular hardware
e-boing @ poor people buying iphones to seem Rich, when only poor people buy iphones and it's a sign that you're poor. e-boing @crapple for not being able to buck the obsolescence train they've been riding.
The s9 ultra tablet is $800 less than crapple's top tier iPad & the iPad doesn't do1 thing better than the ultra. i'm losing my shit over here. & ipad has a shitty screen ratio. they're saying how the pens are basically the same but that cannot be true; the s pen has a finer tip which... why in the heck wouldn't you want that? the crapple also uses an LCD screen. all the advantages for LCD are not in play here, like lower cost, higher brightness, availability, size&resolution - holy shit they don't even have a 16:9 screen ratio or a bigger screen. this doesn't make sense to exist. someone is claiming android can't do vector graphics but according to the adobe illustrator description, it does. and that's a desktop function anyway
The iWatch is *egregiously* obsolete because it has cheap, inferior sapphire that totally defeats the purpose of using sapphire&the battery doesn't even last a day, which makes it significantly less useful than the galaxy watch 5&6 (gw5) &they're charging MORE than the superior gw5 & 6 that have a 2.5-3 day battery life. The iWatch's audience is no one.
Everything apple makes is obsolete&obviously so. Crapple has no reason to exist&the world would be just fine if that TRILLION dollar company disappeared without a trace tomorrow.
when other manufacturers stop being lazy naggers and start putting decent trackpads in laptops and build decent chipsets that get more than five hours of actual work
I don't think they gonna fall off any time soon, but I'm sure that their control of both of the phone and computer markets isn't as strong as it once has been, in the phone market, there are a lot of decently priced phone that do as well as the standard iphone, and in the computer market you have windows for gaming and daily tasks doing fine, and linux offering a clean desktop experience with a unbeatable security but have humble support for games.
Apple has access to the soul of mankind through their iPhones. I am not joking. They crunch realities when you turn them on and off. You can use them to transpose people.
>When do you think they will start failing as a company?
when they drop hackintosh for good. they will lose all the poorfags contributing to opensource mac apps.
When the next great depression happens and people are forced to admit that they can't justify $1000 a year on a new phone anymore. They're a company that literally could not exist outside of good economics times.
> They're a company that literally could not exist outside of good economics times.
survives early 80s recession
survives Black Monday stock market crash 1987
survives early 1990s recession
survives Black Wednesday 1992
survives dot-com bubble burst 2002
survives 2008 financial crisis
survives worldwide great recession from subprime mortgage crisis 2007, US housing bubble pop, worldwide banking crises.
survives COVID lockdowns/business collapses/money printing
beats massive phone companies Nokia and Motorola
beats Windows Phone, Pocket PC
beats CPU manufacturer Motorola
makes the iconic desirable MP3 player
makes the iconic desirable tablet, after years of janky Windows Tablet PCs
beats Intel at the mobile CPU market
makes the iconic desirable laptop
beats Microsoft at their "give products to schools to hook children on Windows" game until macs are the thing to be seen with at college
beats every other watch company at making a desirable smart watch
beats headphone companies at making instant new multi-billion-dollar market in headphones
only company on planet able to do compete with Microsoft and push out a desirable server OS (discontinued), desirable desktop OS, desirable laptop OS, desirable tablet OS and desirable phone OS with unified core.
devs pay money to develop for Apple ecosystem
has rabid fanboy customer base instead of angry disgruntled hostages (Microsoft, Google).
Apple is 60%+ iPhone sales. If the iPhone fails, then apple is getting into trouble. At some point they will be running out of reasons to sell their new ones. They still have years left though and one should never underestimate the dumbness of consumer cattle but slowly people will realise that 1000$+ for the same shit every year is just not worth it.
And when that happens apple is at risk of having too many expenses through years of abundance and the company getting too inflexible to adapt to a shrinking market. Also developing and maintaining the whole closed apple ecosystem does come at a cost that only pays of when having a large and loyal userbase.
Macs becoming a smaller percentage of the company's overall revenue does not imply that less Macs are selling than before you absolute fucking dolt. What was Apple's annual revenue in 2012? What is it now?
I'm going to guess you're <25.
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It does not matter how many macs they are selling in absolute numbers. The point is, macs only make up a small fraction of the overall companys revenue. Macs alone will not keep apple alive, since - at least as of now - its much harder to extract dollars from macs than from iphones.
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So you concede the point, good. Don't post stupid charts you don't understand next time. By the way I'm not the guy you posted the chart in response to, I just chimed in to call you the retard you were being.
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The chart perfectly proves my point, you just dont get it. It never was about mac revenues shares declining or whatever, it was about mac revenues shares always beeing negligible compared to iphones. Apple = iPhones. Macs are irrelevant. Get it now?
4 weeks ago
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Jesus, you were wrong and you lost. You should just stop
4 weeks ago
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Whatever you say, see you in the next thread appletard.
I just returned from the SEA and they are all still lining up to finance Apple products. Who cares wtf is happening in third world USA. The future is Asia and they want Apple products!
They wont because they've pivoted from being tech company to lifestyle company that can command tech authority.
They'd fail when both Nike and Microsoft simultaneously (i.e. there is some serious simultaneous social upheaval across both the tech and lifestyle spaces, like a global catastrophe that these companies are somehow not smart enough to profit off of).
When Tim Apple retires. Cook was Jobs right hand man, which is why he was picked as his successor. He was able to combine Jobs design and lifestyle concerns with operating efficiencies that Jobs never really cared about. Cook however knows not to stray too far away from Jobs' vision but isn't completely trapped by it.
The person who comes after Cook will likely have no firsthand connection with Jobs. It will be someone the investor class likes. Someone who will favor short term gains over long term growth. There will be a feeding frenzy as Apple's product line rapidly expands while quality drops. Initially sales will skyrocket as consumers line up and fight each other for an Apple toilet seat or Apple exercise bands. But it will be junk and the Apple name will no longer stand for anything. Eventually the name will be licensed to anyone with the money to do so.
Spot on except my position is that all that is already happening and Cook was the guy making it happen. Hence this chart. Cook was never a product focused guy he's a bean counter. If Jobs put someone like Schiller or Fed in charge they'd still be product, design, and brand focused. We never would have had a notch with them. Hence the sharp uptick in picrel at the time of Jobs' death.
no, they buy it because it has sleek ads and looks nice and everyone else buys it and they want to fit in to feel better about the gaping void inside of them that prevents them from thinking freely about anything
>it's going to start failing because I want it to
I appreciate that the old economy is dying and the new one is being formed, but maybe avoid such blatantly pathological "but I WAAAAAANT IIIIIIT" expectations
When they start building cars.
When their buyers become tech literate.
>says the guy who doesn't know how to operate a computer made for idiots
People ask that every year. They predict it every year. "Apple is dying." Used to be a cliche. Every newspaper in the 90s had an article like that. Even after the iMac. And then the iPod. And then the iPhone. And Intel Macs. And the headphone jack. And ARM. Every time they do something, the company is doomed.
One of these predictions should have been right, right? It's weird. It's kind of funny. Uncanny, almost. Like there's something going on here. Something unseen. On the surface, the company is always doomed. But it hasn't yet. It's still there. How can this be? It doesn't make sense, right? It doesn't make any sense.
You know what I think? There's someone pulling the strings. Someone sinister.
But I'm onto them. They're dinosaurs. With knife hands.
Pendulum swings both ways.
So do the knife hands. Watch out.
>Every newspaper in the 90s had an article like that.
90s Apple was indeed an awful experience all around. The iPod literally saved that fucking company. Had Microsoft not given Apple money over the course of the 90s the company would have died, period. Every executive in Apple will admit it, even Steve Jobs. Keeping Apple afloat was an anti-trust protection by Microsoft.
But today? Apple has a nice walled garden going that keeps people inside their playground, the software is good enough and the hardware is as well. Apple keeping the product line slim like they do means its excellent for IT departments to just buy in as there wont be 900 different versions of laptops or windows bouncing off their toolset.
Well, the iMac is what really turned things around, and the one big cash infusion (covert settlement) from MS, plus the MS commitment to continue developing Office for Mac.
iPod helped pivot Apple away from just computers (soon they would change their name to just "Apple", rather than "Apple Computers").
This is so bonkers dumb that I feel bad answering it. Apple Ireland exists as a tax haven for Apple. It's not a separate entity. And cash flowing from Ireland to US is only one of many juggling acts they do to stay afloat.
Anyway, Apple aren't going anywhere. It'll be around for at least another 30 years. What they are selling then? Who knows. But it knows what it's doing.
You are zoomer posting, friend. The return of Steve Jobs and the popularity of the Bondi Blue iMac was their 90’s turnaround. iPod was actually a later side project that utilized some overstock 5gb iBook drives. But the iMac sold well. It was priced right.
I promise you I am older than dirt. And used macs then (personally, a Power Computing clone, last of a breed killed by Steve once he rejoined Apple).
The iPod actually was born partly as a side project of Steve's dream device, the iPad. The phone as well. I'm sure some prototypes used iBook sized disks at one point, but there actualy was no iBook with a 5 GB disk. The first were 3 GB, in 2000 there was a refresh to 6 GB.
And by "iBook sized" I don't even mean storage, to be clear -- the disks they shhipped with were the tiny Hitachi micro drive or whatever, which was 1.8", rather than the 2.5" drives in iBooks (and PowerBooks etc from the era).
I actually forgot about this device, its been so long that I thought this and the ipod came out in the very early 2000s, but apparently that iMac came out in 1998.
without their phone market and "services", they basically have nothing left. apple usa is cash poor. if the apple usa division runs out of money, apple ireland gives them "loans" to avoid tax, which has happened many times since establishing itself in europe. their computer lines are not selling well at all. it won't take much to finish them off if the bottom falls out of the phone market. people have warned for years that apple's share price is overinflated and overvalued. when that comes crashing back down to a realistic level (or the tech market collapses like it did 20+ years ago) many pension plans, hedgefunds etc.etc are going to collapse.
>apple usa is cash poor.
>apple ireland gives them "loans" to avoid tax,
That's entirely intentional to avoid paying US tax rates as Ireland offered them the lowest tax rates in Europe to set up (which is why 800+ US companies European bases are in Ireland. Tax rates and English language). It's got fuck all to do with Apple USA being "cash poor". It's everything to do with Apple avoiding paying the IRS and American tax payers what they owe.
>It's everything to do with Apple avoiding paying the IRS and American tax payers what they owe.
Which is why it's one of the most valuable companies on the planet. Tax avoidance.
And even then they're still one of the largest tax payers in the US. Back in 2018 they paid 38 billion in repatriation tax on 245 billion they brought back into the US. And the only reason they did it was because of Trump's tax cut bill which meant that 38 billion was a fraction of what they would have paid (the cut was to around 15-16%). So they took the hit from that to get the media and IRS and politicians off its back about not paying their taxes in the US. But it's still pretty much game on as there has been absolutely no law changes since in regard to closing taxation loopholes that allow them to offshore their wealth in the first place. Because every single cunt in congress uses the exact same loopholes.
B-but Mother Nature gave them the N-word Pass
https://americansfortaxfairness.org/issues/corporate-taxes/highlights-of-apples-tax-dodging/
Good read if anyone cares about Apples tax dodging. But you can apply it to every single US and non-EU entity that set up shop in Ireland when they offered the lowest tax rate in the EU.
The EU have said they plan to deal with the tax rate problem though by setting a minimal limit to what EU members can offer so nobody is getting more business. Thing is, with the UK out of the EU, Ireland is the only other EU country where English is the first language. And right now we don't know how the Irish are going to take being told "stop it" when their politicians are raking in as much money as they are from overseas tax dodgers.
>worldwide
now remove the 2 billion pajeets and 5 billion naggers who are stuck with Compaq Presarios and Dell Optiplexes
Apple is too comfy. Everything feels cheap and not working. They really nailed premium high quality.
This. Everything is getting shittier. Apple is one of the only companies where it basically works as advertised and you can talk to a human being if you need help.
This is what LULZ fags don't understand why 40 year old milfs who don't even have a computer will always buy apple.
>Samsung was starting to lean way too hard into aping Apple
>My OnePlus 8t was showing signs of obsolesence one year in
>The fucking $1000 ROG Phone 6 fell hard once and must've suffered some antenna damage because BT started to crap out, as did internet and even losing signal in places I didn't used to
If the 15 didn't have USB-C I probably would've grinned and beared with it but I was wanting some consistency for once after three duds, I could've just gotten a Pixel but I was never sure about its performance for games. Am I insane or does it seem like the 15 Pro Max is the only phone out there with a 1TB option?
go to bed grandpa
Apple is too entrenched, because it's still seen as a 'cool' brand. Only when the perception is shattered, or when the shortcomings of it's products become too much and apple refuses to change will they lose favor with the normies. There's a reason why windows dominates the desktop pc market. Because it's just a better system for general, everyday office use. Apple is too stubborn and refuses to do the bare minimum to make their OS more usable and productive. Like holy shit it's been 20 years and still no automatic windows snapping? I dont mean I mean what windows has had since the mid 2000's.
yo I agree
They say they wanna make things work well before putting them into devices, but takes too long, and some situations just look like they are really fucking stubborn. it's been around since the beginning of their company.
What are you even talking about, Windows dominates the PC market in raw numbers because most of the world is poor and a lot of businesses are cost saving in any way they can. There is no functional reason why a Macbook wouldn't work just as well as a Windows laptop for in an office setting. Large scale dependent engineering companies aside, a Macbook works just as well, though even that might change with CAD now being supported on Apple hardware/software. But again functionally either will work, and Windows will win because the cost is orders of magnitude lower.
Aside from that, ironically it's because Windows users are not willing to work with a UNIX system that they find switching to macOS difficult, it requires greater brainpower to operate it in a way that gives full functionality to the user. You need to be comfortable using the terminal with your OS in much greater extent than with Windows if you want to take full advantage of OSX.
t. posted this from my Windows LTSC machine
When the establishment lose their hold on general public.
Aka, kill all the elites and Apple will collapse slowly
All it takes is a woman CEO
YouTube replaced their woman with a pajeet and it somehow got worse
Pajeet CEO is incoming when Tim cook steps down
Indian CEO won't happen at Apple, they depend more on CEO charisma than any other company
Hear me out here, but what Apple needs is a tranny CEO
Its already failing as Android phones get better and affordable.
>implying the majority of the population cares
Out of all things that are getting worse they're worseining the slowingest
When their child slavery exploitation hits international news.
It has done. Several times. Nobody cares.
I bought an iphone 14 pro max this march and after seeing the 15 pro max and how it literally didnt change anything at all except the material of the phone (and some gaymer raytracing shit for a mobile phone lol) id say apple's decline starts now
also been noticing a lot of bugs in ios that just didnt happen before. the other day my screen was randomly locked to about 30fps until i restarted the phone. also still on ios 16 or whatever because i dont trust theyve fixed the overheating issues on 17. apple has the most h1b visa workers in all of the major tech companies so it's not a surprise. this is just what happens
it's important to note that this decline is happening now but only on the objective quality of their products. m1 was a huge deal, m2 and m3 are both worthless. the financial consequences of this decline wont be seen for quite some time
> m1 was a huge deal, m2 and m3 are both worthless.
Final Cut Pro render:
M2 - 19 minutes 25 seconds.
M3 - 6 minutes 40s.
M3 Pro - 5 minutes.
Blender CPU test:
M2 - 10 minutes 20s.
M3 - 8 minutes 15s.
M3 Pro - 5 minutes 37s.
Blender GPU test:
M2 - 3 minutes 8s.
M3 - 1 minute 46s.
M3 Pro - 58s.
Nobody in 3d design or game development uses a mac, so all those benchmarks are useless.
Final cut is only used by youtubers who make advertisement videos.
like
said, these use cases are literally only seen in youtube benchmarks and never again lol
the only professional apps that mac users run are adobe
You do understand that the CPU speed, cache, memory bandwidth, SSD bandwidth, etc. which make it fast in benchmarks still exist when not running benchmarks, and benefit all use cases, right?
Not with Apple Silicon. It is good at hardware accelerated tasks, if you give it any other task, it will all fall apart.
The new M3 MBP gets 8-9 hours battery life watching youtube. My 4 year old Elitebook 830 G6 gets 11-13 hours using Brave lol.
Huh. Skipped the 14 Pro (as well as the 13 and 12, I was using an 11 Pro), got the 15 Pro because it;s the same weight pretty much as the 11 Pro, feels a bit smaller, screen is a major improvement, and USB-C. Never had the overheating issue myself (don't use Tiktok or Insta) but for sure haven't since the update (and it seems that did fix the issues).
And bugs seem to be popping up at about the same rate they always have. Been on iOS since it was iPhone OS. Used Android since the G1 as well. Bugs show up, get squashed both places.
Apple will outlast the 1970s machinery powering your local infrastructure. You'll be living in 1700 while someone else is using apple products in 2050 somewhere else on the planet.
If whatever Apple Goyslop they are currently selling like hotcakes stops selling, they will simply innovate their way out. They do it every single time. When the candy iMacs slowed down they started making iPods. Then the iPhone. They are looking for the next thing and they will find it. They have made some truly innovative and ahead-of-their-time products. Right now they can’t make the MacBook fast enough to sell and quality shows that.
>THEY INVENTED A CUMPYOOTER
Already existed
>THEY INVENTED AN MP3 PLAYER
Already existed
>THEY INVENTED A PHONE
Really, nagger?
They are slowly becoming just another tech company and people don't see them as "magic" anymore. Unless they get into enterprise or datacenter they've effectively capped out and I believe their current numbers are going to start dropping soon.
I don't consider them magic but I just enjoy the build quality and availability of support. If anything ever went wrong with my Pixel, I was on my own.
They're already in enterprise many companies give their employees imacs iPads and macbooks
Maybe certain types companies particularly in media, but the overwhelming majority of corporations use dell/hp/lenovo business workstations/laptops in a windows ltsc domain managed by active directory. I was referring more to the software part of it with office applications, exchange, O365 and azure SaaS.
Everything to do with enterprise IT, data center, big data, and AI, Apple is completely absent in. So IF they were able to do that, then yeah they'd still have a ton of untapped potential cash. But MS, Amazon, and Google have a total stranglehold on those sectors. Possibly an opportunity for them in the data center/AI hardware sector though against Intel/AMD/Nvidia with their killer SoCs.
>but the overwhelming majority of corporations use dell/hp/lenovo business workstations/laptops in a windows ltsc domain managed by active directory.
No corporation is using LTSC for this, what are you even talking about.
how to save costs by removing features, avoiding upgrading old ones, and slapping a pretty shell on top: the apple story.
When the EU forces them to open up imessage or at least support RCS. Yes there are really normies who think iMessage is a decision factor for what phone they use.
Once Tim Apple gets replaced by the inevitable Indian CEO
I think both Apple and Google will try to keep the mobile market share close to 50/50, that way neither side will have to worry too much about antitrust cases
Indian CEO is really the only way they can fuck this up now.
Apple made a laptop that actually delivers both cpu and battery performance. Literally the only company that has ever done this.
Using ARM is cheating.
It's winning. Fuck x86. Worst ISA ever
The downturn of having everything done in house is that they have to face the costs of actually doing it so their operating costs are much higher. Also, one of their tricks has been to book the entire leading edge manufacturing process of TSMC, which costs a fortune.
On the other hand they have tons of hard cash in hand. It would take a significant drop in sales first for we to able able to predict this.
Even if they were to be squeezed by costs and slowly diminishing revenue, they still have enough cash to try something or purchase someone.
Stock prices are a different matter entirely.
Never.
They took already existing technologies and inventions so they never risk shit, just polish them to normie levels and claim them as their own
During the upcoming depression. Mass unemployment will make make people reluctant to buy new phones.
https://sixcolors.com/post/2023/11/apples-fiscal-2023-in-charts/
Does anyone care to guess what significant event coincided with this sudden surge in profit?
Steve Jobs died in 2011 and the ihomosexual from Alabama took over.
Bango. That was the beginning of the end. Focus shifted from products to profits.
apple has always been lowest quality bottom of the barrel currynagger shit in the name of profits
Little known fact, Steve Jobs wasn't a smart man. Makes no difference who took over really.
I agree that he wasn’t a “smart” man. But he was a good hype-man and his ideas appealed to boomers and Gen X well enough to get them to pay a $600 markup for iCrap
iPhone in decline in Japan, the nips don't want it and they don't want to seem poor, like Americans who buy iphones
A Cringey aspect of american culture is poor people make-believing they're not poor if they walk around with expensive things (this is commonly seen with Africans buying shiny things), and apples latest ad campaign is telling me that women will have sex with them if they have an iPhone, and they get women to repeat the "blue bubble" comments to make-believing owning an iPhone = sex.
Japan is breaking up with apple
https://9to5google.com/2023/09/28/google-pixel-japan-iphone-market-share/
Whether you're looking for a great phone or looking to hop on the winning bandwagon, apple is losing in america too, and the google pixel is stealing crapple's sales.
And here we see the utter domination required to break through apple's legendary reality distortion field https://9to5google.com/2023/10/13/google-pixel-8-display/
Late Gen Z and Alpha are both raised on Google Chromebooks and Androids, so we're in for an age of Google domination.
Apple and Microsoft will both be on decline.
Google docs & services work on Macs too...plus, once you have docs and sheets and shit solidified in your mind as "school grade shit," you're more than happy to pay for real software like Office.
iPhones are for poor people who work at mcdonalds and the like
Big COVID bump, along with Apple Silicon.
iPad also returned to growth for the first time in a few years.
microsoft is on solid ground due to the entrenchment of windows and (this was unthinkable a few years ago) microsoft DOES have the best apps. Teams, outlooks, excel, word - they're all the best and those are killer apps. and idk when this happened but somehow microsoft attached a ton of parasites to android and they're getting paid by google for each android device sold.
lol@ apple fags for not being able to watch this video
>killer apps
Teams, Outlook, Excel, and Word all run better on my M1 than the i9 work laptop I have.
>Teams, Outlook, Excel, and Word all run better on my M1 than the i9 work laptop I have.
They work better using Windows on ARM inside a VM using Apple Silicon, than on an actual ARM Windows laptop.
Wtf does that even mean? Those programs run fine on anything. And they're light weight; there isn't really a "running better" to be had, fanboy
also
what?
>lol@ apple fags for not being able to watch this video
Just watched on iPad. Is video supposed to be something that doesn't work on iOS according to chuds?
>Teams, Outlook, Excel, Word
>killer apps
Maybe for companies or retarded boomers/millenials who’ve been using it for 20 years and assume it’s the best when there are better, free alternatives out there.
I refuse to ever use microshit’s garbage software for my own personal use.
If anything it seems like Apple is only doing better than ever...
>Apple PC marketshare going up
>windows just keeps shitting the bed
>normies realizing a mac mini gets them premium apple experience for an affordable price
>Gen Z and younger absolutely refuse to have any kind of smartphone except for an iphone
>release of iphone SE to compete with affordable android phones
iPhones are for the economically disadvantaged
(cringey) American culture when poors make-believe they're rich.
I didn't do my homework on the iPhone, but the s23 ultra is the best phone ever made minus an SD card slot, audio jack, sim card tray, removable battery and other modular hardware
e-boing @ poor people buying iphones to seem Rich, when only poor people buy iphones and it's a sign that you're poor. e-boing @crapple for not being able to buck the obsolescence train they've been riding.
The s9 ultra tablet is $800 less than crapple's top tier iPad & the iPad doesn't do1 thing better than the ultra. i'm losing my shit over here. & ipad has a shitty screen ratio. they're saying how the pens are basically the same but that cannot be true; the s pen has a finer tip which... why in the heck wouldn't you want that? the crapple also uses an LCD screen. all the advantages for LCD are not in play here, like lower cost, higher brightness, availability, size&resolution - holy shit they don't even have a 16:9 screen ratio or a bigger screen. this doesn't make sense to exist. someone is claiming android can't do vector graphics but according to the adobe illustrator description, it does. and that's a desktop function anyway
The iWatch is *egregiously* obsolete because it has cheap, inferior sapphire that totally defeats the purpose of using sapphire&the battery doesn't even last a day, which makes it significantly less useful than the galaxy watch 5&6 (gw5) &they're charging MORE than the superior gw5 & 6 that have a 2.5-3 day battery life. The iWatch's audience is no one.
Everything apple makes is obsolete&obviously so. Crapple has no reason to exist&the world would be just fine if that TRILLION dollar company disappeared without a trace tomorrow.
PC & Android master race signing off.
Their lack of serious innovation already has them going down.
seems unlikely. no competitor for the aspirational group who wouldn't be seen without an apple product
when other manufacturers stop being lazy naggers and start putting decent trackpads in laptops and build decent chipsets that get more than five hours of actual work
I don't think they gonna fall off any time soon, but I'm sure that their control of both of the phone and computer markets isn't as strong as it once has been, in the phone market, there are a lot of decently priced phone that do as well as the standard iphone, and in the computer market you have windows for gaming and daily tasks doing fine, and linux offering a clean desktop experience with a unbeatable security but have humble support for games.
probably never. they have so much cash they can just buy any competitor that comes along. also Macs are slowly becoming the majority over PCs.
they will never fall if no totally new technology appears or if they follow new techologies
Apple has access to the soul of mankind through their iPhones. I am not joking. They crunch realities when you turn them on and off. You can use them to transpose people.
same laptop (3) three years in a row
it's already over, just download more ram and you got perma computing.
>When do you think they will start failing as a company?
when they drop hackintosh for good. they will lose all the poorfags contributing to opensource mac apps.
Dunno about "failing", but Apple relies on ample consumer credit, which will keep drying up for decades to come.
Never. Everything else is garbage.
They are already stagnating because no one has a vision at the helm.
Not untill another premium tech company appears so not very soon. Probably in 20 years
When the next great depression happens and people are forced to admit that they can't justify $1000 a year on a new phone anymore. They're a company that literally could not exist outside of good economics times.
> They're a company that literally could not exist outside of good economics times.
survives early 80s recession
survives Black Monday stock market crash 1987
survives early 1990s recession
survives Black Wednesday 1992
survives dot-com bubble burst 2002
survives 2008 financial crisis
survives worldwide great recession from subprime mortgage crisis 2007, US housing bubble pop, worldwide banking crises.
survives COVID lockdowns/business collapses/money printing
beats massive phone companies Nokia and Motorola
beats Windows Phone, Pocket PC
beats CPU manufacturer Motorola
makes the iconic desirable MP3 player
makes the iconic desirable tablet, after years of janky Windows Tablet PCs
beats Intel at the mobile CPU market
makes the iconic desirable laptop
beats Microsoft at their "give products to schools to hook children on Windows" game until macs are the thing to be seen with at college
beats every other watch company at making a desirable smart watch
beats headphone companies at making instant new multi-billion-dollar market in headphones
only company on planet able to do compete with Microsoft and push out a desirable server OS (discontinued), desirable desktop OS, desirable laptop OS, desirable tablet OS and desirable phone OS with unified core.
devs pay money to develop for Apple ecosystem
has rabid fanboy customer base instead of angry disgruntled hostages (Microsoft, Google).
"apple are doomed"
Apple is 60%+ iPhone sales. If the iPhone fails, then apple is getting into trouble. At some point they will be running out of reasons to sell their new ones. They still have years left though and one should never underestimate the dumbness of consumer cattle but slowly people will realise that 1000$+ for the same shit every year is just not worth it.
And when that happens apple is at risk of having too many expenses through years of abundance and the company getting too inflexible to adapt to a shrinking market. Also developing and maintaining the whole closed apple ecosystem does come at a cost that only pays of when having a large and loyal userbase.
They sell 6 million computers per quarter - not ios. Not sure what you mean.
You do realise that this chart doesn't actually demonstrate that Macs are selling less, right? 5% of 100 is smaller than 2% of 1000.
>WAIT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE HOW CAN 5% BE SMALLER THAN 2% NO NO NO YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE WRONG
Are trying to bait or are you actually this retarded?
Macs becoming a smaller percentage of the company's overall revenue does not imply that less Macs are selling than before you absolute fucking dolt. What was Apple's annual revenue in 2012? What is it now?
I'm going to guess you're <25.
It does not matter how many macs they are selling in absolute numbers. The point is, macs only make up a small fraction of the overall companys revenue. Macs alone will not keep apple alive, since - at least as of now - its much harder to extract dollars from macs than from iphones.
So you concede the point, good. Don't post stupid charts you don't understand next time. By the way I'm not the guy you posted the chart in response to, I just chimed in to call you the retard you were being.
The chart perfectly proves my point, you just dont get it. It never was about mac revenues shares declining or whatever, it was about mac revenues shares always beeing negligible compared to iphones. Apple = iPhones. Macs are irrelevant. Get it now?
Jesus, you were wrong and you lost. You should just stop
Whatever you say, see you in the next thread appletard.
1978
Sadly, I don't see it happening for a while.
I just returned from the SEA and they are all still lining up to finance Apple products. Who cares wtf is happening in third world USA. The future is Asia and they want Apple products!
Companies fail, cults dont
They wont because they've pivoted from being tech company to lifestyle company that can command tech authority.
They'd fail when both Nike and Microsoft simultaneously (i.e. there is some serious simultaneous social upheaval across both the tech and lifestyle spaces, like a global catastrophe that these companies are somehow not smart enough to profit off of).
When Tim Apple retires. Cook was Jobs right hand man, which is why he was picked as his successor. He was able to combine Jobs design and lifestyle concerns with operating efficiencies that Jobs never really cared about. Cook however knows not to stray too far away from Jobs' vision but isn't completely trapped by it.
The person who comes after Cook will likely have no firsthand connection with Jobs. It will be someone the investor class likes. Someone who will favor short term gains over long term growth. There will be a feeding frenzy as Apple's product line rapidly expands while quality drops. Initially sales will skyrocket as consumers line up and fight each other for an Apple toilet seat or Apple exercise bands. But it will be junk and the Apple name will no longer stand for anything. Eventually the name will be licensed to anyone with the money to do so.
Spot on except my position is that all that is already happening and Cook was the guy making it happen. Hence this chart. Cook was never a product focused guy he's a bean counter. If Jobs put someone like Schiller or Fed in charge they'd still be product, design, and brand focused. We never would have had a notch with them. Hence the sharp uptick in picrel at the time of Jobs' death.
Literally never owned an apple product, overpriced just for that apple logo.
the only reason people buy iphones is because of blue bubbles and imessage.
no, they buy it because it has sleek ads and looks nice and everyone else buys it and they want to fit in to feel better about the gaping void inside of them that prevents them from thinking freely about anything
>it's going to start failing because I want it to
I appreciate that the old economy is dying and the new one is being formed, but maybe avoid such blatantly pathological "but I WAAAAAANT IIIIIIT" expectations
I hate this company but I feel like over the years the consuming has become worse.
too big to fail, consoomer.