When do FTM TERFs get a support group?

We're sick of the oppression.

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What do they even mean by this?
    t. Ftm

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >be foid
      >act like a foid
      simple as

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are they talking about hating trans women or talking about how being female makes them experience misogyny or what.
        >captcha 0KG4Y

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Both

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          they are feminists and hate men, and see trans women as men so they hate them and see trans men as "trans masc" (only afabs can be trans masc) and therefore do not hate them.

          basically it's just mental gymnastics to justify hatred of men, borne of feminism.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      it means we're TERF FTMS!! did you not get it yet?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It also means we recognize trans men are just lesbians! I hope this helps!

        these people arent actually ftm

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >self hating feminist FTMs don't exist, even rarely
          kinda coping anon

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >self hating
            Sure
            >feminist
            That more dubious, I just hope they do it because they want to score

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol terftms are extremely common anon. pretty much every ftm with a tumblr acc and abt 60% of "transmasc lesbians" are huge terfs

            [...]
            yeah this they totally gravitate to tumblr for whatever reason.
            you can recognize the signs of it whenever you talk to pooners who emphasize their afab-ness and female socialization, who mainly socialize with cis women and theyfabs, and just generally don’t understand or relate to manhood. terfism is their way of controlling their fear of men (deflecting it into a safe target, trannies) and their failure/inability to meaningfully socially transition.

            im saying theyre not actually trans if theyre terfs and hate men

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          lol terftms are extremely common anon. pretty much every ftm with a tumblr acc and abt 60% of "transmasc lesbians" are huge terfs

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            you seem like you're way overstating it

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            maybe on the tumblr part, sure, but theyre very common. always be wary of pooners who always emphisize their afabness, female socialization, their "safety", etc. its like a million red flags and you gotta learn to spot them. personally? i dont bother with any ftm at all. why care for them or cis women when i can just date a cis man who can actually frick me and manhandle me and wont cry over everything, spout terfy bullshit and detransition on me and claim i groomed her. honestly the only stable form of st4t relationship is the one were a cisf repressor skinwalks her transbian gf and then poons out on her. those relationships usually last the longest from what ive seen

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            i hate having female socialization. i want to kill my female socialization
            t. rogd trupooner

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            female socialization is optional these days. afabs can reject it pretty much anytime because being a masculine woman is not stigmatized at all and there is absolutely no social downside to it.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            > being a masculine woman is not stigmatized at all and there is absolutely no social downside to it
            Moid moment

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            nta but lol its true and dont try to deny it. try getting your parents to let you wear short hair and pants as an afab then try getting your parents let you wear long hair and skirts as an amab. you b***hes aint oppressed at all shut up!!

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You must be the most sheltered libtard ever if you think no parents would ever take issue with their daughter dressing like a dyke.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            im from a conservative family on mexico and they 100% let my cousin dress however he wants but my dad threatened to kill me while showing me the gun at his hip and my mom threatened to kick me out. the most she gets is shitty comments from family members and the most i get is a threat of losing my life or being kicked out. at least my dad didnt kick my ass and sa me like my friends dad did!

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, you’re a third world “person”. Opinion discarded

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol this also happens in first world countries stfu. countless mtfs get kicked out of their homes that ive known yet the reaction to most ftms always seems to be "lol let her act out shell grow out of it" while he has a full beard grown. like i said, theres no comparison you b***hes just aint oppressed

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I’ve never seen it personally therefore it never happens!
            I’ve never met a troony who kicked out of her house for ordering AGP clothing therefore it doesn’t happen. Thank you for this meaningful addition to the conversation beanoid.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol just look at tiktok twitter or tumblr. ive known countless first world mtfs whove gotten kicked out and yet the most ftms face is not being able to start T legally due to unloving parents, something that is common among mtfs so they just diy but since ftms are women they dont, they just expect it to be handed it to them

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’ve heard of countless stories of FTMs getting kicked out and forced to wear their hair long, getting their binders thrown out, you’re a moron with severe confirmation bias who thinks things don’t happen because they’re outside your bubble. Sorry about your terminal incel brain though.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            maybe some mythical ftms from a turbochristian family do get opressed, but to compare it to the treatment mtfs get is just laughable. lets just say: compared to mtfs ftms arent oppressed. 90% of oppresion ftms get is simple normal misogyny all afabs face, while amab hate is more personalized. this is why in some families the troony will get kicked out but the gay boy wont, while in others the gay kid will get kicked out while the rapist uncle wont

            >don’t hang around ftm spaces
            >don’t hear about ftm experiences
            >wow, why does nothing happen to ftms

            ftm spaces are them mostly cry about their straight boyfriends not seeing them as men and talk about being totally valid doods. i dont see much suffering on those spaces

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            > i dont see much suffering on those spaces
            ftm space are one of the most miserable hellholes you can find

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            is this some sort of bait? I mean currently there's a thread on r/ftm where the doodz are discussing how getting misgendered is just funny and harmless (peak malebrained yes, but that wouldn't happen if FtMs were facing real discrimination because of being misgendered)

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            the top post rn on r/mtf is about not passing but not caring because honmoding is heccin valid. your point?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            note how honmoder is not finding it funny at all and is fricking miserable, just copes by not giving a frick cause they feel they can't do anything

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >r/ftm
            kek
            Misery isn’t just about discrimination

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dysphoria is entirely subjective and does not matter because there's no adequate way to measure who is more dysphoric and it would it be pointless because everyone who is dysphoric deserves treatment regardless of severity.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Distress caused by it can be measured as mild, severe etc by how much it impacts your functioning
            > everyone who is dysphoric deserves treatment regardless of severity
            Treatment itself varies depending on severity

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You ARE biased. I know more then enough FTMs who got abused and kicked out for being trans. Storys all range from getting locked up in their room and beaten to a pulp, getting "correction" raped multible times over a months long period or jumping out the window from the 3th floor because the mom tried to stab him with a kitchen knife for cutting his hair and those all happened just in my circle in a 1th world country

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've heard the exact same stories from MtF's but when they tried going to a shelter they were denied from the women's one and ended up getting raped in the male shelter being surrounded by heroin addicts 🙂

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Notice how none of the posts are about who has is worse, just whether FTMs face discrimination or not. Yet MTFs all, without fault, turn it into a competition. MTFs are irredeemable narcissists who deserve no form of empathy as they are physically incapable of showing the emotion themselves.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            That was the discussion we were having was it not?

            And I don't deny you face discrimination, and it doesn't really matter who has it worse. But it is infuriating being told woe is me by a bunch of people that magically detransition whenever things get tough. It's hard to see someone as a man when they tell me to my face that "If i was arrested I would detransition as men are weird and aggressive"

            I'm sorry but if you think this way you are not a man, just a groupie.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >That was the discussion we were having was it not?
            No it was not. Try to cool your malebrained urge for competition.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Weren't you supposed to be a man?
            Or did you decide to detransition because you were losing the argument?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Never said I wasn’t a man. You are acting very malebrained for someone who is supposedly a woman though.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I mean you're almost as bad as the people you are pointing the finger at. "All MTFs are evil" but just like the ones here who are clearly biased, so are you. I don't know many trans people but I don't doubt that FTMs can have it really bad. The average person is not nice, is not good. Parents are usually biased and project expectations on their children that they will, sometimes violently, enforce. That goes for pretty much every trans person. So instead of lashing out at eachother how about you all start acting like adults?
            And that goes for both "sides", not just the person I replied to

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I do not want to deny that this is horrible and i feel sorry for them but for the love of god stop this opression olympics, it's moronic. Can we all just agree being a troony is awfull regardless if ftm or mtf?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            everyone reasonable agrees and stopped posting in the thread. why do you think i, the op, am currently trying to bumplimit itkek

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Can we all just agree being a troony is awfull regardless if ftm or mtf?
            Yes
            >I do not want to deny that this is horrible and i feel sorry for them but for the love of god stop this opression olympics, it's moronic.
            Then don't deny it. Admit that MtF's get fricked over by western society because there is literally no public space where we are safe if outed as trans. Once you admit that we can move on but until then yes I will be upset that a very real issue that puts transwomen in mortal danger is just ignored.

            It's why MtF's lean towards transmaxxers and FtM's theyfabs. You not passing on any given day might open you up to ridicule, us not passing opens up to grevious bodily harm.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Once again, lying to suit your agenda. It was always about the attention, never about who has it worse or not. MTF narcissism on full display.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Then don't deny it
            Nobody has denied shit here except for you. We all get it, mtf's are being opressed left and right but when ftm's start to speak up about their hardships you scrotes jump in crying all "woe me?? We get gazillion times more violence then foid- uhhm trans men"

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you scrotes
            False flag detected.

            Ending the discussion, when we look at pooners we can't stop laughing at you.

            You want to present as a man but couldn't take half the shit that's thrown at men on a daily basis. You refuse to see that while your position, or the position of your friends might be bad, on average any non moronic pooner would be able to transition in peace as long as they cut off their family (which MtF's have to do anyway) and never have to worry about being trans ever again. At worst people will just see you as a butch lesbian. You are the moronic biological child of the trans community because all you people do is keep failing and being rewarded for it.

            Go cry on Ovarit about how you ruined your body or whatever where you and your terfy friends can circlejerk to each other about how being a woman is suffering.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ignoring my entire point again and seething over one word taking as an opportunity to go mask off

            Yeah please go touch grass, don't know what's even the point of trying to defend your "1# opressed" throne this hard. Having a crumb of empathy for a group you're not part off isn't really your strenght huh?
            You want a cookie? A medal even? Ohhh you're soo opressed i'm sowwy for saying one mean thing, should i call you a stupid b***h instead? Is this more validating since youre such a poor poor unfortunate little hon and everyone else is a meany?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not oppressed. I have a bf, vegana and I pass. My family is accepting of me and I was at my cousin's holy communion 2 days ago.

            Basically I get to enjoy being a woman, while you continue seething at your own existence.

            I pity you, because god gave you easy mode and yet you still somehow fricked it up. Imagine being a pooner and not being a roid daddy by 25 when T and the Gym is easily available.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Can you please shut the frick up
            Bragging about how good you have, just how insecure are you? Anyway I agree with OP the vibe in this thread is, even now, continuing to deteriorate. I know playing the stern parent won't work on this site but otherwise I'd have told the both of you I'm very disappointed and to say sorry ten times over already

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Bragging about how good you have, just how insecure are you?
            I did say the discussion was over. I'm just rubbing salt in the wound because i'm a fembrained b***h.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >t easily available
            Only if you live somewhere where informed consent is a thing and don’t want to be a criminal

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It’s pointless to explain this. MTFs are demons who will always counter this with “it’s not like I’m saying FTMs can’t face hardships but…” They ignore the fact that FTMs have issues unique to themselves which MTFs don’t necessarily face, get mad at all who dare suggest anyone but themselves should be the center of their pity party, claim FTMs should talk about their issues themselves (they are, but libs will never give a shit about pooners), while also getting mad at FTMs for not talking about trans women enough. FTMs get absolutely no benefit from associating with MTFs under the trans community, they get all their issues ignored while suffering the collateral damage from bathroom and sport hons. I fully support pooner segregation, trannies be damned.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >They ignore the fact that FTMs have issues unique to themselves which MTFs don’t necessarily face
            Such as?

            Again. Every single FtM I've met essentially told me if they went to prison they would detransition because they don't want to be in the male jail. While FtM's are oppressed, you can at any time fallback on female spaces while MtF's don't have that fallback option.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Every single FtM I've met essentially told me if they went to prison they would detransition because they don't want to be in the male jail.
            well not detransition but still go to female jail because they're literally the masculine dude in a whole building of sex-starved women. ftms are practically kings in female jails.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I fully support pooner segregation, trannies be damned.
            they are already segregated. most troon spaces are mtf spaces, while ftm spaces are lesbo/radfem spaces where all amabs are unwelcome.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Replace MtF with women and FtMs with men and read this again.
            MtFs are more fembrained than we give them credit for...

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            MTFs cozy up with feminists and imitate their gaslighting rhetoric to beat down trans men. Even so MTFs will never admit to having female privilege.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Find me just one case of first world FtM getting kicked out of their home and beaten by their father.

            And note that post 90s only. I know it used to happen in like 50s and there was a time when FtM crossdressing was far more illegal and thus kinda less tolerated than MtF, but even in those times also MtFs were heavily discriminated and seen as acceptable targets for violence.

            Also, does not count if it happened due to relationship with a female that happened to coincide with coming out as FtM. Small minority of lesbians (which the FtM is seen in this case) do get kicked out of their homes, but never heard of violence in those cases aside ancient ones.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >being a masculine woman is not stigmatized at all and there is absolutely no social downside to it
            >no there are some downsides you are downplaying
            >ok but find a specific case where a pooner gets kicked and beaten by their father!
            Nice moving the goalposts moron. Notice how I never once mentioned that ftms had it worse or as bad as mtfs but you had to move the conversation towards that because troons are the most insufferable demographic on the planet. It’s absolutely false that there are no social consequences to dykemoding as a foid, simple as. Dykes are notoriously treated as subhuman by straight women.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your reading comprehension sucks because I never claimed that there's no downsides to dykemoding or that FtMs don't experience any discrimination. My only point all this time is and was is that in post millenial times FtMs are not experiencing discrimination and hate on same level as MtFs especially in first world. You have things easy and should be glad about it if anything. Getting more discriminated doesn't make you any better/more trutrans cause real life isn't some weird oppression olympics.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >being a masculine woman is not stigmatized at all and there is absolutely no social downside to it
            >I never claimed that there's no downsides to dykemoding or that FtMs don't experience any discrimination
            moron moment

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're confusing me with another person. I never wrote

            female socialization is optional these days. afabs can reject it pretty much anytime because being a masculine woman is not stigmatized at all and there is absolutely no social downside to it.

            , so maybe wait until they reply to you.

            Don't assume that everyone discussing this issue here is same person.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then don’t butt in to defend the post of an anon claiming masculine females are not stigmatized in any way if that’s not what you believe. Simple as.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >anon claiming masculine females are not stigmatized in any way
            I'm the anon who made that post and I stand by it 100%
            not only are dykemoder women not stigmatized, they are celebrated as the best human beings, readily added to all kinds of media (movies, videogames, etc love them, see the last of us which has a dyke protag and normies are breathlessly praising it for 3 years or something now), and they even get to be heads of countries no problem. picrel is dyke queen of Serbia, a country known to be very right-wing and even they absolutely love masculine women and elect them to high office. that's like a femboy becoming president of America, which will never ever happen.
            you have been thoroughly deboonked. simple as.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >masculine women are not stigmatized but also stigma towards trans women affects them harshly
            hmm

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            masculine afabs are the perpetrators of stigma towards trans women as can be clearly seen from the tumblr posts that started this thread.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            im the one who started this thread. im regretting not deleting it 10 minutes in like i consider doing. this was a fricking gag post. i didnt read you all's long stupid argument. almost all FTMs have a positive view of MTFs and vice versa

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can only sweep the animosity under the rug for so long. FTMs and MTFs do not mix. We have fundamentally different upbringings, struggles and ways of seeing the world. The trans community would be way better off if we split it off between AMABs and AFABs.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You can only sweep the animosity under the rug for so long. FTMs and MTFs do not mix. We have fundamentally different upbringings, struggles and ways of seeing the world. The trans community would be way better off if we split it off between AMABs and AFABs.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong. FtMs and MtFs are more similar than they are different. Everyone in this thread is just angryposting.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            MTFs and FTMs are similar.
            Theyfabs and butches on T are different

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Tbhon as a hsts ftm I have more in common with dykes on T than mtfs because they’re mostly just coping poonas who fell for radfem indoctrination. Theyfabs are aliens who should not be regarded as human though

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            > would be way better off if we split it off between AMABs and AFABs
            Yeah that would work well with people who loathe being reminded of their sex

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            nice job ignoring all the dyke worship in media and society

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol just visit the average millenialhon or mid20s transitioner twitter and see how they talk about how they were treated. now compare that with how most ftms transition when they are literal teens? lmaoo its not comparison. like i said: you b***hes aint oppressed

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            > how most ftms transition when they are literal teens
            Delusional

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            theres been a million studies about this but im just gonna like this one
            https: (slashslash) www (dot) ncbi (dot) nlm (dot) nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC7906237/
            most ftms come out when they are literal teenagers and their parents just let them! meanwhile when asking mtfs their parents reaction you get a variety of not very nice stories 🙂

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            linking as an image since NSFFW is being mean with its filters

            is this some sort of bait? I mean currently there's a thread on r/ftm where the doodz are discussing how getting misgendered is just funny and harmless (peak malebrained yes, but that wouldn't happen if FtMs were facing real discrimination because of being misgendered)

            misgendering is the most oppresion they usually face so taking it like that is generally prety healthy

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I did swim team so I was actively encouraged to shave my legs
            That said yea good overall point. AFABs just allowed more masc expression than AMABs are allowed femme expression in general.
            Like lots of parents, including mine fine with the leg shaving, oppose letting their sons grow their hair to even shoulder length. Pixie cuts on the other hand are totally fine

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            thank u! im glad we agree! so now i hope you can better understand why terftms are such an insult to us. trans women built the trans community. it was a community built by us for us as a safe space to escape all the abuse we face. ftms barely did anything for years and then suddenly, not only they appear but they bring the hateful retoric we built this space for, but they claim they had it worse despite the fact most got to transiton earlier, never were genuinely abused for their gender presentation, nor they were kicked out. it sucks. if youre gonna be a terfy ftm then please just dont call yourself trans. just call yourself a butch on t or something. we dont want you here, trans spaces are the only safe spaces for mtfs left. you can easily just get into womens shelters if you want comfort, but we cant. we can only hide and stomach it.

            Sorry, most troons are not sexually assaulted by their families because y’all are hideous af. Most of you are transbian basement dwellers living rent free cause your parents are too afraid to kick you out.

            1 i never said most, i just said the worse case scenario get some reading comprehension girlie c:
            2 the ugly troons usually come from either abuse they face by their parents when they try coming out so they end up transitioning later out of fear or because theyre uggo rapehons
            3 transbian basement dwellers get kicked out and abused all the time lmao those are prime targets. the two heroin catgirl transbians from that vid were both abused and kicked out by their parents one i think mentioned getting sexually assaulted
            4 you know nothing so please shut up and never speak again 🙂
            5 have a nice day 🙂

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            pooners deserve to enter your amab safe space because they are men too. stop being a bigot hon

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            and i welcome them as long as they arent terfs! if they enter whats pretty much the only safe space for trans women and start spouting hateful rethoric then thats like going to a black mans house while spouting racial slurs. at least give us this, you can always just get into a womans space without any objection if you need help sorting something about yourself out, while mens spaces are always harmful for mtfs

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry, most troons are not sexually assaulted by their families because y’all are hideous af. Most of you are transbian basement dwellers living rent free cause your parents are too afraid to kick you out.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            we apparently very sexy actually

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pooner sexual assault rate is higher. AFABs always win TIM!

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ok sure you win. You get to be sexually assaulted more. I'm so jealous. Anyway...

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol most stories from ftms about sexual abuse always originates not only pretransition, but also entirely removed from transness altogether. you werent raped because youre trans, you were raped because youre a woman. trans women on the other hand, get assaulted bcuz theyre fem or trans all the time. its about the cause. transmisogyny exists, but transmisandry doesnt, you just experience normal misogyny all afabs face

            (also i couldve pulled the whole "ftms only transition due to sexual trauma" transphobic argument but i didnt since im not like you)

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Even though the assault rate is way higher than for cis women?
            > You weren’t beaten because you’re a troony, you’re were beaten because you are a man
            Kek

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            god you really want me to pull out that second argument, dont you?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Go ahead, it’s not like you didn’t already call FTMs women. Then you go ape out when you get called a man in return. This is why nobody likes MTFs by the way.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm a bit late calling you out on this but let's not pretend like you hadn't already used that argument. By mentioning you wouldn't use it as an argument you used it as an argument. And threatening with using it is also using it.
            Just say you hate ftms or don't see them as valid or something, maybe once we get that out of the way we can start being constructive

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >> You weren’t beaten because you’re a troony, you’re were beaten because you are a man
            unironically true.
            non-troony gnc males catch the same kind of beatings.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, but don’t tell the transbian Serano cultists that

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            to them it's coomfuel, "turn oppressive beatings into the best frick ever" or whatever that degenerate said.
            the trans community would be so much nicer if we just dropped the T(ransbians).

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            very well put cause
            >transmisogyny exists, but transmisandry doesnt, you just experience normal misogyny all afabs face
            is the most important point and I think everyone can agree on that FtMs should stop pretending it exist

            it used to exist in older times when being FtM was seen as trying to steal male privilege, but such concept does not apply in our times (atleast in first world, there maybe still 3rd world countries where it exist and it probably does exist in muslim world, but first world FtMs are just pretending)

            >> You weren’t beaten because you’re a troony, you’re were beaten because you are a man
            unironically true.
            non-troony gnc males catch the same kind of beatings.

            Duh, non-trans people can experience transmisogyny cause transmisogyny means hate on amabs being feminine.

            Similarly non-trans people could experience transmisandry too (I doubt all the afabs who got punished for crossdressing in history were trans), but it does not exist in our times anymore

            And note that it's not transmisandry why butch women get hate due to being GNC because they're not getting hate for their masculinity itself, but breaking gender roles and being ugly women. It's just plain old sexism, lookism and misogyny. Transmisandry happens only in very patriarchal socities that usually make any kind of FtM transition (or crossdressing) illegal

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            in summary
            trans women are women
            trans men are women

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            > most ftms come out when they are literal teenagers
            Most don’t even know that’s a thing when they’re teenagers and most don’t come out until adulthood
            > their parents just let them
            Sure, especially when it’s not even legal for teenagers to transition

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >implying that in first world gnc females are less accepted
            what are you smoking? I haven't ever seen any first world FtM complain about being kicked out of home or beaten by their parents, but I do know tons of US and EU MtFs kicked out of their home for being trans, some times even beaten and otherwise abused too.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >don’t hang around ftm spaces
            >don’t hear about ftm experiences
            >wow, why does nothing happen to ftms

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            *for ordering a skirt in amazon and them intercepting the package
            oops 😛

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            pure truth
            they are just spoilt where nothing is ever enough.
            don't have to wear dresses, don't have to wear hair long, don't have to learn to cook or clean, single life is so normalized that 70% or so of young adults aren't married, so no pressure to get hitched either, etc.
            wtf does "female socialization" even mean in this day and age? it's a concept that is not even applicable in any meaningful way in modern times.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I notice some FTMs are extremely hostile to sex-work in a way that seems kind of off. Def a red-flag.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            my favorite are the extremely sex negative ones who call amab libido rapey and inherently predatory who go full coomer after getting on T so they either lower the dose until theyre no longer coomers, go off T entirely, or remain on it, but keep saying that its ok for them to be rapey coomers since theyre afab. god they suck

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            High libido doesn't make you a coomer, you can be hypersexual but not a cumbrain

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >my favorite are the extremely sex negative ones who call amab libido rapey and inherently predatory
            I wonder if some FTMs are kind of a reverse of the over-the-top sexuality we see in some MTFs
            Like FTMs are known for being horny but it's possibly some just really don't like being women/get dysphoric over women's sexuality and being perceived as a woman in a sexual way like that.
            Like whatever makes some cis-women really oppose say sexy armor in video games, or boob sliders, maybe some minority of FTMs have that impulse cranked up to 11

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think you can pump a woman full of testosterone and not have her end up being horny.
            Ftms must have higher libidos than mtfs on average. Drugs similar or identical to mtf hrt (inculding estrogenergic ones, not just androgen blockers) have a history of being used to suppress sex drive in sex offenders so mtfs who are high sex drive are likely horny in spite of their hormones rather than because of them.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well yea but it's in the same way how some MTFs transition for fetishisty reasons but end up less fetishy because their sex-drive is cut due to low-T.
            So the reverse for FTMs. They[again this is a minor subset but would have overlap with this TERF group] have an aversion to [especially female] sexuality before transition and oversexualization and objectification. Then they transition and get hornybrained.

            It's more about how they were before transition/hrt rather than how they act when they're on hrt.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            > some just really don't like being women/get dysphoric over women's sexuality and being perceived as a woman in a sexual way like that
            Probably the majority. Do mtfs not get dysphoric over being perceived as men?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Probably the majority. Do mtfs not get dysphoric over being perceived as men?
            It's often in a different non-sexual sense as men aren't objectified in the same way women are.

            For MTFs a comparable situation would be your friends asking you to move their furniture because they perceive you as strong. It's not as sexually charged usually.
            Then again I've never been a chad and I'm sure they sometimes do get something similar.

            But I'd also say it's not just about themselves being objectified but opposing objectification or female sexuality in a general sense. Again the "can video game characters be hot" or "should sex work be legal" discussions. More abstract sexuality.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            MTF lurking your thread and yeah I do. Women come on to me a lot and make it really clear that they see me as a man and it makes me feel like shit.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who likes prostitutes tho, it’s not a red flag

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Who likes prostitutes tho, it’s not a red flag
            It's not just about being a SWERF
            That kind of thought/behavior has a ton of overlap with some other toxic behaviors.

            Like think of the incels who say stuff like
            >Girls never want to date me I'm such a loser
            But also
            >That girl has slept with so many guys she's such a fricking bawd what a prostitute
            That kind of thing.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Girls never want to date me I'm such a loser
            >That girl has slept with so many guys she's such a fricking bawd what a prostitute
            Honestly I don’t see why these are exclusive

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            He thinks he's a loser who can't get laid and at the same time he's shaming any women who might be willing to date him.
            You see this a lot in more traditional cultures like say the Middle East. Where the men will really feel the need to be sexual as teens but view any woman who has sex outside marriage or w/e as a fallen woman.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            But dating isn’t remotely similar to sleeping around. Seems perfectly sound to me.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            ‘transmasc’ isn’t ftm, it’s theyfab

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          lol terftms are extremely common anon. pretty much every ftm with a tumblr acc and abt 60% of "transmasc lesbians" are huge terfs

          yeah this they totally gravitate to tumblr for whatever reason.
          you can recognize the signs of it whenever you talk to pooners who emphasize their afab-ness and female socialization, who mainly socialize with cis women and theyfabs, and just generally don’t understand or relate to manhood. terfism is their way of controlling their fear of men (deflecting it into a safe target, trannies) and their failure/inability to meaningfully socially transition.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Discrimination for being a gnc man?

        Can someone explain what she means by this? It's always been my understanding that men are extremely privileged and never the victim of sex-based discrimination, I guess that's untrue though?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Can someone explain what she means by this?
          they think that the abuse men receive for being gnc is not because they're men but because everyone hates female clothes and expression.
          basically the woman cries out as she hits you for being gnc.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It also means we recognize trans men are just lesbians! I hope this helps!

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        unpassing pooners can experience sexism and misogyny for being seen as female. It's pretty much only thing discrimination experience as there's not much transphobia directed towards FtMs.

        so this is fembrained poons who can't pass and cope by being TERFs I guess, also kinda inevitable because most radfems are butch lesbians and many FtMs also start as butch lesbians

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Half of ovarit terfs are repressors.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >trans exclusionary trans men
      ?????????????????

      It's probably cases where a butch lesbian starts experimenting with testosterone but still pretty much thinks like a lesbian. Same idea as an hrt femboy.
      Also the one OP is talking about said "a little terfy at times" so it's not like he literally means he excludes himself from feminism. He probably just sometimes agrees with terfs about their more mild takes like keeping mtfs out of women's sports. A lot of mtfs talk about sometimes agreeing with terfs too.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >FtM TERF
      >Gay Nazis

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Terminally fembrained

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    why do some ftms have to hate trannies
    i didnt ask to be born a man 🙁

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Penis is EVIL.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason why some mtfs hate ftms, they’re moronic

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love when trannies fight other trannies, it’s like they’re half-aware about the fact they are in no way, shape or form the gender they claim they are but are too narcissistic to apply that thinking to themselves. Truly a wonderful display of mental illness.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    psyop alert
    t. ftm non-terf

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >trans exclusionary trans men
    ?????????????????

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      STOP calling us men, TIM!! We are TRANSMASC, we are LESBIANS, we are TIFs. GOT IT??

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kek why don’t get just call themselves HRT dykes? It would at least not be so circularly logical

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          some of them aren't even on HRT anon it's just a meme to them. theyre either fakers or way self hating

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    the queer community hasnt had a constructive debate since stonewall

  8. 10 months ago
    Flux

    god can we drop these pathetic fricks in a spiked pit from a great height pleaze

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    This plot is getting way to confusing to keep up with.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    stop arguing and hating on FtMs and saying they have it so easy
    it's ridiculous and does nothing, stop spreading hate between us
    there's specific upsides and downsides to being ftm or mtf, one isn't inherently better or easier

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >there's specific upsides and downsides to being ftm or mtf, one isn't inherently better or easier
      I mean I don't hate pooners, but this is a clear lie (atleast in western society)

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not going to lie I was a bit terfy but only towards transbians however looking back it was because of misplaced jealousy over not being AMAB. Now that I’ve actually transitioned I have come to believe that mtfs have it harder than ftms.

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Man this was a joke thread why the frick you b***hes have to argue in every single thread

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      autism

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    that’s it, i used to love our mtf sisters until i came to this board and reading this thread was the breaking point. i’m officially a ftm terf. wish me luck sisters!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >former trump supporter here we seriously cant let this guy get the nuclear codes

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    sweet, i love a good infighting thread. what's everyone's favorite sonic game

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    poon bros... this comic made me feel really unstigmatized.. wtf im a woman again now!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      kek you got any more of those?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        no

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      radfem tumblr is more fricked up than anything i've ever seen on NSFFW and that bar is pretty insane. the feel-good "pleasantries" like this only make it so much fricking creepier to think about

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        afab womanhood is an actual horror and "Radfems" are just patriarchy enforcers trying to hunt down and drag back people trying to escape it (ftms) or expel people trying to integrate with womanhood in a way that isnt completely suffocating (mtfs). naturally it's freaky to look at yes

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >radfem tumblr
        give me links

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's really not that hard to find dude

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            you know as well as i do that screencap is surface level child's play stuff, and that it takes very little to find radblr's justified abuse and murder of amab children because they're "born rapists", which is barely the tip of the iceberg itself

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you know as well as i do that screencap is surface level child's play stuff
            uh... no i dont, actually i thought that was about as bad as it got anon..

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Wow you're so strong and hecking valid!!!
      >Wdym you're still trans? But I gave you compliments! You're suppoed to change your mind now!

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hate amabs
    >transition to male anyway
    what

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >logic and rationality
      >women
      anon, I...

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah okay, stop acting like men are any more rational. They are just better at pretending. I'm not shy of how I feel about things, but plenty of (cis) guys are. So they act like their feelings are axiomatic and therefore logical, but they're still letting their feelings dictate their opinions first and foremost. If anything I feel like high T makes this worse, and the most masculine people are the least likely to even consider straying from their dogma

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          That sounds pretty male brained. Any examples?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well for one, climate change is a good example. (Male) politicians who deny it in its entirety will ignore any evidence as biased, even the mild stuff. They will call their opposition emotional, but they themselves will make appeals like, and I am paraphrasing an actual statement, "it will cost a hundred trillion with no benefits".
            Same with trans "debates". Usually guys who "just don't believe it's real" with nothing to back it up.
            And for another one my dad who doesn't like to give up some luxury comforts when I tell him stuff like overconsumption are bad, then tells me that all humans are taxing the world and I should just off myself if I care so much.
            Often completely off the rails stuff that they present as conpletely level-headed despite clearly being either spur-of-the-moment opinions or just blatantly uninformed (despite repeated opportunities to inform themselves)

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Same with trans "debates"
            a huge amount of opposition to trannies is from women.
            troonyism wasn't even a big political issue until women started seething (irrationally) about bathrooms and sports.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but men jump in just as easily. I guess my point really is that there is no real difference. There's reasonable and unreasonable people, and whether you're a man or a woman only seems to determine which excuses you use to pretend otherwise

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Said seething was also engineereed by males though. Gender Critical is not really organic TERF movement, but originally conservative astroturfing to cause LGBT infighting being adopted by also TERFs

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is like saying anti-covid lockdowns isn't organic because it was jumpstarted by conservative astroturf bullshit (which is true by the way). That may have been what started it but people were memed into buying it for real and now how can you really say it's fake at this point.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it was le moids who masterminded it
            women and responsibility like oil and water.

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    This thread has taught me that fembrained FtMs need to disappear. Unfortunately that's the vast majority of them.

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    When something happens to FtM's they instantly regress back to being female.

    go to jail? Oops I've detransitioned
    need shelter? Oops I've detransitioned
    etc

    It's not that FtM's don't experience discrimination, it's that they have a wide variety of support networks they can access regardless of their transition. MtF's are discriminated in female spaces, and male spaces aren't suitable for us/we are actively putting ourselves in harm's way engaging with them.

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    i'm just lurking but please god go back to lolcow or cc or whatever other hole this thread keeps getting flooded from, this is embarrassing

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    Can we come to an agreement that trans "women" who act like this should be ousted from the trans movement and forcibly detransitioned?

    • 10 months ago
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      peepee poopoo

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      >we

    • 10 months ago
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      "women" in quotes, how amicable of you

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    69! mtfs and ftms 69'ing each other with hot troony sex. girlballs on his face. tdick on her face. win win.

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    70 times the t4t sex

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    It literally is misandry though
    What does she mean by terfy? I could see a place for ftms in trans-inclusive radfem spaces or intersectional feminism.

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