When do FTM TERFs get a support group?

female socialization is optional these days. afabs can reject it pretty much anytime because being a masculine woman is not stigmatized at all and there is absolutely no social downside to it.

nta but lol its true and dont try to deny it. try getting your parents to let you wear short hair and pants as an afab then try getting your parents let you wear long hair and skirts as an amab. you bitches aint oppressed at all shut up!!

im from a conservative family on mexico and they 100% let my cousin dress however he wants but my dad threatened to kill me while showing me the gun at his hip and my mom threatened to kick me out. the most she gets is shitty comments from family members and the most i get is a threat of losing my life or being kicked out. at least my dad didnt kick my ass and sa me like my friends dad did!

lol this also happens in first world countries stfu. countless mtfs get kicked out of their homes that ive known yet the reaction to most ftms always seems to be "lol let her act out shell grow out of it" while he has a full beard grown. like i said, theres no comparison you bitches just aint oppressed

lol just look at tiktok twitter or tumblr. ive known countless first world mtfs whove gotten kicked out and yet the most ftms face is not being able to start T legally due to unloving parents, something that is common among mtfs so they just diy but since ftms are women they dont, they just expect it to be handed it to them

maybe some mythical ftms from a turbochristian family do get opressed, but to compare it to the treatment mtfs get is just laughable. lets just say: compared to mtfs ftms arent oppressed. 90% of oppresion ftms get is simple normal misogyny all afabs face, while amab hate is more personalized. this is why in some families the tranny will get kicked out but the gay boy wont, while in others the gay kid will get kicked out while the rapist uncle wont

>don’t hang around ftm spaces
>don’t hear about ftm experiences
>wow, why does nothing happen to ftms

ftm spaces are them mostly cry about their straight boyfriends not seeing them as men and talk about being totally valid doods. i dont see much suffering on those spaces

is this some sort of bait? I mean currently there's a thread on r/ftm where the doodz are discussing how getting misgendered is just funny and harmless (peak malebrained yes, but that wouldn't happen if FtMs were facing real discrimination because of being misgendered)

note how honmoder is not finding it funny at all and is fucking miserable, just copes by not giving a fuck cause they feel they can't do anything

Dysphoria is entirely subjective and does not matter because there's no adequate way to measure who is more dysphoric and it would it be pointless because everyone who is dysphoric deserves treatment regardless of severity.

You ARE biased. I know more then enough FTMs who got abused and kicked out for being trans. Storys all range from getting locked up in their room and beaten to a pulp, getting "correction" raped multible times over a months long period or jumping out the window from the 3th floor because the mom tried to stab him with a kitchen knife for cutting his hair and those all happened just in my circle in a 1th world country

Notice how none of the posts are about who has is worse, just whether FTMs face discrimination or not. Yet MTFs all, without fault, turn it into a competition. MTFs are irredeemable narcissists who deserve no form of empathy as they are physically incapable of showing the emotion themselves.

>That was the discussion we were having was it not?
No it was not. Try to cool your malebrained urge for competition.

Never said I wasn’t a man. You are acting very malebrained for someone who is supposedly a woman though.

I do not want to deny that this is horrible and i feel sorry for them but for the love of god stop this opression olympics, it's retarded. Can we all just agree being a tranny is awfull regardless if ftm or mtf?

>Can we all just agree being a tranny is awfull regardless if ftm or mtf?
Yes
>I do not want to deny that this is horrible and i feel sorry for them but for the love of god stop this opression olympics, it's retarded.
Then don't deny it. Admit that MtF's get fucked over by western society because there is literally no public space where we are safe if outed as trans. Once you admit that we can move on but until then yes I will be upset that a very real issue that puts transwomen in mortal danger is just ignored.

It's why MtF's lean towards transmaxxers and FtM's theyfabs. You not passing on any given day might open you up to ridicule, us not passing opens up to grevious bodily harm.

>Then don't deny it
Nobody has denied shit here except for you. We all get it, mtf's are being opressed left and right but when ftm's start to speak up about their hardships you scrotes jump in crying all "woe me?? We get gazillion times more violence then foid- uhhm trans men"

>ignoring my entire point again and seething over one word taking as an opportunity to go mask off

Yeah please go touch grass, don't know what's even the point of trying to defend your "1# opressed" throne this hard. Having a crumb of empathy for a group you're not part off isn't really your strenght huh?
You want a cookie? A medal even? Ohhh you're soo opressed i'm sowwy for saying one mean thing, should i call you a stupid bitch instead? Is this more validating since youre such a poor poor unfortunate little hon and everyone else is a meany?

Can you please shut the fuck up
Bragging about how good you have, just how insecure are you? Anyway I agree with OP the vibe in this thread is, even now, continuing to deteriorate. I know playing the stern parent won't work on this site but otherwise I'd have told the both of you I'm very disappointed and to say sorry ten times over already

>t easily available
Only if you live somewhere where informed consent is a thing and don’t want to be a criminal

>They ignore the fact that FTMs have issues unique to themselves which MTFs don’t necessarily face
Such as?

Again. Every single FtM I've met essentially told me if they went to prison they would detransition because they don't want to be in the male jail. While FtM's are oppressed, you can at any time fallback on female spaces while MtF's don't have that fallback option.

>I fully support pooner segregation, trannies be damned.
they are already segregated. most troon spaces are mtf spaces, while ftm spaces are lesbo/radfem spaces where all amabs are unwelcome.

MTFs cozy up with feminists and imitate their gaslighting rhetoric to beat down trans men. Even so MTFs will never admit to having female privilege.

>being a masculine woman is not stigmatized at all and there is absolutely no social downside to it
>no there are some downsides you are downplaying
>ok but find a specific case where a pooner gets kicked and beaten by their father!
Nice moving the goalposts retard. Notice how I never once mentioned that ftms had it worse or as bad as mtfs but you had to move the conversation towards that because troons are the most insufferable demographic on the planet. It’s absolutely false that there are no social consequences to dykemoding as a foid, simple as. Dykes are notoriously treated as subhuman by straight women.

>being a masculine woman is not stigmatized at all and there is absolutely no social downside to it
>I never claimed that there's no downsides to dykemoding or that FtMs don't experience any discrimination
Retard moment

Then don’t butt in to defend the post of an anon claiming masculine females are not stigmatized in any way if that’s not what you believe. Simple as.

>masculine women are not stigmatized but also stigma towards trans women affects them harshly
hmm

im the one who started this thread. im regretting not deleting it 10 minutes in like i consider doing. this was a fucking gag post. i didnt read you all's long stupid argument. almost all FTMs have a positive view of MTFs and vice versa

>You can only sweep the animosity under the rug for so long. FTMs and MTFs do not mix. We have fundamentally different upbringings, struggles and ways of seeing the world. The trans community would be way better off if we split it off between AMABs and AFABs.

MTFs and FTMs are similar.
Theyfabs and butches on T are different

> would be way better off if we split it off between AMABs and AFABs
Yeah that would work well with people who loathe being reminded of their sex

lol just visit the average millenialhon or mid20s transitioner twitter and see how they talk about how they were treated. now compare that with how most ftms transition when they are literal teens? lmaoo its not comparison. like i said: you bitches aint oppressed

theres been a million studies about this but im just gonna like this one
https: (slashslash) www (dot) ncbi (dot) nlm (dot) nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC7906237/
most ftms come out when they are literal teenagers and their parents just let them! meanwhile when asking mtfs their parents reaction you get a variety of not very nice stories 🙂

I did swim team so I was actively encouraged to shave my legs
That said yea good overall point. AFABs just allowed more masc expression than AMABs are allowed femme expression in general.
Like lots of parents, including mine fine with the leg shaving, oppose letting their sons grow their hair to even shoulder length. Pixie cuts on the other hand are totally fine

pooners deserve to enter your amab safe space because they are men too. stop being a bigot hon

Sorry, most troons are not sexually assaulted by their families because y’all are hideous af. Most of you are transbian basement dwellers living rent free cause your parents are too afraid to kick you out.

Pooner sexual assault rate is higher. AFABs always win TIM!

lol most stories from ftms about sexual abuse always originates not only pretransition, but also entirely removed from transness altogether. you werent raped because youre trans, you were raped because youre a woman. trans women on the other hand, get assaulted bcuz theyre fem or trans all the time. its about the cause. transmisogyny exists, but transmisandry doesnt, you just experience normal misogyny all afabs face

(also i couldve pulled the whole "ftms only transition due to sexual trauma" transphobic argument but i didnt since im not like you)

god you really want me to pull out that second argument, dont you?

I'm a bit late calling you out on this but let's not pretend like you hadn't already used that argument. By mentioning you wouldn't use it as an argument you used it as an argument. And threatening with using it is also using it.
Just say you hate ftms or don't see them as valid or something, maybe once we get that out of the way we can start being constructive

Yeah, but don’t tell the transbian Serano cultists that

very well put cause
>transmisogyny exists, but transmisandry doesnt, you just experience normal misogyny all afabs face
is the most important point and I think everyone can agree on that FtMs should stop pretending it exist

it used to exist in older times when being FtM was seen as trying to steal male privilege, but such concept does not apply in our times (atleast in first world, there maybe still 3rd world countries where it exist and it probably does exist in muslim world, but first world FtMs are just pretending)

>> You weren’t beaten because you’re a tranny, you’re were beaten because you are a man
unironically true.
non-tranny gnc males catch the same kind of beatings.

Duh, non-trans people can experience transmisogyny cause transmisogyny means hate on amabs being feminine.

Similarly non-trans people could experience transmisandry too (I doubt all the afabs who got punished for crossdressing in history were trans), but it does not exist in our times anymore

And note that it's not transmisandry why butch women get hate due to being GNC because they're not getting hate for their masculinity itself, but breaking gender roles and being ugly women. It's just plain old sexism, lookism and misogyny. Transmisandry happens only in very patriarchal socities that usually make any kind of FtM transition (or crossdressing) illegal

> most ftms come out when they are literal teenagers
Most don’t even know that’s a thing when they’re teenagers and most don’t come out until adulthood
> their parents just let them
Sure, especially when it’s not even legal for teenagers to transition

>don’t hang around ftm spaces
>don’t hear about ftm experiences
>wow, why does nothing happen to ftms

pure truth
they are just spoilt where nothing is ever enough.
don't have to wear dresses, don't have to wear hair long, don't have to learn to cook or clean, single life is so normalized that 70% or so of young adults aren't married, so no pressure to get hitched either, etc.
wtf does "female socialization" even mean in this day and age? it's a concept that is not even applicable in any meaningful way in modern times.

my favorite are the extremely sex negative ones who call amab libido rapey and inherently predatory who go full coomer after getting on T so they either lower the dose until theyre no longer coomers, go off T entirely, or remain on it, but keep saying that its ok for them to be rapey coomers since theyre afab. god they suck

>my favorite are the extremely sex negative ones who call amab libido rapey and inherently predatory
I wonder if some FTMs are kind of a reverse of the over-the-top sexuality we see in some MTFs
Like FTMs are known for being horny but it's possibly some just really don't like being women/get dysphoric over women's sexuality and being perceived as a woman in a sexual way like that.
Like whatever makes some cis-women really oppose say sexy armor in video games, or boob sliders, maybe some minority of FTMs have that impulse cranked up to 11

Well yea but it's in the same way how some MTFs transition for fetishisty reasons but end up less fetishy because their sex-drive is cut due to low-T.
So the reverse for FTMs. They[again this is a minor subset but would have overlap with this TERF group] have an aversion to [especially female] sexuality before transition and oversexualization and objectification. Then they transition and get hornybrained.

It's more about how they were before transition/hrt rather than how they act when they're on hrt.

>Probably the majority. Do mtfs not get dysphoric over being perceived as men?
It's often in a different non-sexual sense as men aren't objectified in the same way women are.

For MTFs a comparable situation would be your friends asking you to move their furniture because they perceive you as strong. It's not as sexually charged usually.
Then again I've never been a chad and I'm sure they sometimes do get something similar.

But I'd also say it's not just about themselves being objectified but opposing objectification or female sexuality in a general sense. Again the "can video game characters be hot" or "should sex work be legal" discussions. More abstract sexuality.

Who likes whores tho, it’s not a red flag

>Girls never want to date me I'm such a loser
>That girl has slept with so many guys she's such a fucking slut what a whore
Honestly I don’t see why these are exclusive

But dating isn’t remotely similar to sleeping around. Seems perfectly sound to me.

Said seething was also engineereed by males though. Gender Critical is not really organic TERF movement, but originally conservative astroturfing to cause LGBT infighting being adopted by also TERFs

>it was le moids who masterminded it
women and responsibility like oil and water.