When do FTM TERFs get a support group? Posted on May 23, 2023 by Anonymous We're sick of the oppression.
What do they even mean by this?
>act like a foid
Are they talking about hating trans women or talking about how being female makes them experience misogyny or what.
they are feminists and hate men, and see trans women as men so they hate them and see trans men as "trans masc" (only afabs can be trans masc) and therefore do not hate them.
basically it's just mental gymnastics to justify hatred of men, borne of feminism.
it means we're TERF FTMS!! did you not get it yet?
these people arent actually ftm
>self hating feminist FTMs don't exist, even rarely
kinda coping anon
That more dubious, I just hope they do it because they want to score
im saying theyre not actually trans if theyre terfs and hate men
lol terftms are extremely common anon. pretty much every ftm with a tumblr acc and abt 60% of "transmasc lesbians" are huge terfs
you seem like you're way overstating it
maybe on the tumblr part, sure, but theyre very common. always be wary of pooners who always emphisize their afabness, female socialization, their "safety", etc. its like a million red flags and you gotta learn to spot them. personally? i dont bother with any ftm at all. why care for them or cis women when i can just date a cis man who can actually fuck me and manhandle me and wont cry over everything, spout terfy bullshit and detransition on me and claim i groomed her. honestly the only stable form of st4t relationship is the one were a cisf repressor skinwalks her transbian gf and then poons out on her. those relationships usually last the longest from what ive seen
i hate having female socialization. i want to kill my female socialization
t. rogd trupooner
female socialization is optional these days. afabs can reject it pretty much anytime because being a masculine woman is not stigmatized at all and there is absolutely no social downside to it.
> being a masculine woman is not stigmatized at all and there is absolutely no social downside to it
nta but lol its true and dont try to deny it. try getting your parents to let you wear short hair and pants as an afab then try getting your parents let you wear long hair and skirts as an amab. you bitches aint oppressed at all shut up!!
You must be the most sheltered libtard ever if you think no parents would ever take issue with their daughter dressing like a dyke.
im from a conservative family on mexico and they 100% let my cousin dress however he wants but my dad threatened to kill me while showing me the gun at his hip and my mom threatened to kick me out. the most she gets is shitty comments from family members and the most i get is a threat of losing my life or being kicked out. at least my dad didnt kick my ass and sa me like my friends dad did!
Oh, you’re a third world “person”. Opinion discarded
lol this also happens in first world countries stfu. countless mtfs get kicked out of their homes that ive known yet the reaction to most ftms always seems to be "lol let her act out shell grow out of it" while he has a full beard grown. like i said, theres no comparison you bitches just aint oppressed
>I’ve never seen it personally therefore it never happens!
I’ve never met a tranny who kicked out of her house for ordering AGP clothing therefore it doesn’t happen. Thank you for this meaningful addition to the conversation beanoid.
lol just look at tiktok twitter or tumblr. ive known countless first world mtfs whove gotten kicked out and yet the most ftms face is not being able to start T legally due to unloving parents, something that is common among mtfs so they just diy but since ftms are women they dont, they just expect it to be handed it to them
I’ve heard of countless stories of FTMs getting kicked out and forced to wear their hair long, getting their binders thrown out, you’re a retard with severe confirmation bias who thinks things don’t happen because they’re outside your bubble. Sorry about your terminal incel brain though.
maybe some mythical ftms from a turbochristian family do get opressed, but to compare it to the treatment mtfs get is just laughable. lets just say: compared to mtfs ftms arent oppressed. 90% of oppresion ftms get is simple normal misogyny all afabs face, while amab hate is more personalized. this is why in some families the tranny will get kicked out but the gay boy wont, while in others the gay kid will get kicked out while the rapist uncle wont
ftm spaces are them mostly cry about their straight boyfriends not seeing them as men and talk about being totally valid doods. i dont see much suffering on those spaces
> i dont see much suffering on those spaces
ftm space are one of the most miserable hellholes you can find
is this some sort of bait? I mean currently there's a thread on r/ftm where the doodz are discussing how getting misgendered is just funny and harmless (peak malebrained yes, but that wouldn't happen if FtMs were facing real discrimination because of being misgendered)
the top post rn on r/mtf is about not passing but not caring because honmoding is heccin valid. your point?
note how honmoder is not finding it funny at all and is fucking miserable, just copes by not giving a fuck cause they feel they can't do anything
Misery isn’t just about discrimination
Dysphoria is entirely subjective and does not matter because there's no adequate way to measure who is more dysphoric and it would it be pointless because everyone who is dysphoric deserves treatment regardless of severity.
Distress caused by it can be measured as mild, severe etc by how much it impacts your functioning
> everyone who is dysphoric deserves treatment regardless of severity
Treatment itself varies depending on severity
You ARE biased. I know more then enough FTMs who got abused and kicked out for being trans. Storys all range from getting locked up in their room and beaten to a pulp, getting "correction" raped multible times over a months long period or jumping out the window from the 3th floor because the mom tried to stab him with a kitchen knife for cutting his hair and those all happened just in my circle in a 1th world country
I've heard the exact same stories from MtF's but when they tried going to a shelter they were denied from the women's one and ended up getting raped in the male shelter being surrounded by heroin addicts 🙂
Notice how none of the posts are about who has is worse, just whether FTMs face discrimination or not. Yet MTFs all, without fault, turn it into a competition. MTFs are irredeemable narcissists who deserve no form of empathy as they are physically incapable of showing the emotion themselves.
That was the discussion we were having was it not?
And I don't deny you face discrimination, and it doesn't really matter who has it worse. But it is infuriating being told woe is me by a bunch of people that magically detransition whenever things get tough. It's hard to see someone as a man when they tell me to my face that "If i was arrested I would detransition as men are weird and aggressive"
I'm sorry but if you think this way you are not a man, just a groupie.
>That was the discussion we were having was it not?
No it was not. Try to cool your malebrained urge for competition.
Weren't you supposed to be a man?
Or did you decide to detransition because you were losing the argument?
Never said I wasn’t a man. You are acting very malebrained for someone who is supposedly a woman though.
I mean you're almost as bad as the people you are pointing the finger at. "All MTFs are evil" but just like the ones here who are clearly biased, so are you. I don't know many trans people but I don't doubt that FTMs can have it really bad. The average person is not nice, is not good. Parents are usually biased and project expectations on their children that they will, sometimes violently, enforce. That goes for pretty much every trans person. So instead of lashing out at eachother how about you all start acting like adults?
And that goes for both "sides", not just the person I replied to
I do not want to deny that this is horrible and i feel sorry for them but for the love of god stop this opression olympics, it's retarded. Can we all just agree being a tranny is awfull regardless if ftm or mtf?
everyone reasonable agrees and stopped posting in the thread. why do you think i, the op, am currently trying to bumplimit itkek
>Can we all just agree being a tranny is awfull regardless if ftm or mtf?
>I do not want to deny that this is horrible and i feel sorry for them but for the love of god stop this opression olympics, it's retarded.
Then don't deny it. Admit that MtF's get fucked over by western society because there is literally no public space where we are safe if outed as trans. Once you admit that we can move on but until then yes I will be upset that a very real issue that puts transwomen in mortal danger is just ignored.
It's why MtF's lean towards transmaxxers and FtM's theyfabs. You not passing on any given day might open you up to ridicule, us not passing opens up to grevious bodily harm.
Once again, lying to suit your agenda. It was always about the attention, never about who has it worse or not. MTF narcissism on full display.
>Then don't deny it
Nobody has denied shit here except for you. We all get it, mtf's are being opressed left and right but when ftm's start to speak up about their hardships you scrotes jump in crying all "woe me?? We get gazillion times more violence then foid- uhhm trans men"
False flag detected.
Ending the discussion, when we look at pooners we can't stop laughing at you.
You want to present as a man but couldn't take half the shit that's thrown at men on a daily basis. You refuse to see that while your position, or the position of your friends might be bad, on average any non retarded pooner would be able to transition in peace as long as they cut off their family (which MtF's have to do anyway) and never have to worry about being trans ever again. At worst people will just see you as a butch lesbian. You are the retarded biological child of the trans community because all you people do is keep failing and being rewarded for it.
Go cry on Ovarit about how you ruined your body or whatever where you and your terfy friends can circlejerk to each other about how being a woman is suffering.
>ignoring my entire point again and seething over one word taking as an opportunity to go mask off
Yeah please go touch grass, don't know what's even the point of trying to defend your "1# opressed" throne this hard. Having a crumb of empathy for a group you're not part off isn't really your strenght huh?
You want a cookie? A medal even? Ohhh you're soo opressed i'm sowwy for saying one mean thing, should i call you a stupid bitch instead? Is this more validating since youre such a poor poor unfortunate little hon and everyone else is a meany?
I'm not oppressed. I have a bf, vagina and I pass. My family is accepting of me and I was at my cousin's holy communion 2 days ago.
Basically I get to enjoy being a woman, while you continue seething at your own existence.
I pity you, because god gave you easy mode and yet you still somehow fucked it up. Imagine being a pooner and not being a roid daddy by 25 when T and the Gym is easily available.
Can you please shut the fuck up
Bragging about how good you have, just how insecure are you? Anyway I agree with OP the vibe in this thread is, even now, continuing to deteriorate. I know playing the stern parent won't work on this site but otherwise I'd have told the both of you I'm very disappointed and to say sorry ten times over already
>Bragging about how good you have, just how insecure are you?
I did say the discussion was over. I'm just rubbing salt in the wound because i'm a fembrained bitch.
>t easily available
Only if you live somewhere where informed consent is a thing and don’t want to be a criminal
It’s pointless to explain this. MTFs are demons who will always counter this with “it’s not like I’m saying FTMs can’t face hardships but…” They ignore the fact that FTMs have issues unique to themselves which MTFs don’t necessarily face, get mad at all who dare suggest anyone but themselves should be the center of their pity party, claim FTMs should talk about their issues themselves (they are, but libs will never give a shit about pooners), while also getting mad at FTMs for not talking about trans women enough. FTMs get absolutely no benefit from associating with MTFs under the trans community, they get all their issues ignored while suffering the collateral damage from bathroom and sport hons. I fully support pooner segregation, trannies be damned.
>They ignore the fact that FTMs have issues unique to themselves which MTFs don’t necessarily face
Again. Every single FtM I've met essentially told me if they went to prison they would detransition because they don't want to be in the male jail. While FtM's are oppressed, you can at any time fallback on female spaces while MtF's don't have that fallback option.
>Every single FtM I've met essentially told me if they went to prison they would detransition because they don't want to be in the male jail.
well not detransition but still go to female jail because they're literally the masculine dude in a whole building of sex-starved women. ftms are practically kings in female jails.
>I fully support pooner segregation, trannies be damned.
they are already segregated. most troon spaces are mtf spaces, while ftm spaces are lesbo/radfem spaces where all amabs are unwelcome.
Replace MtF with women and FtMs with men and read this again.
MtFs are more fembrained than we give them credit for...
MTFs cozy up with feminists and imitate their gaslighting rhetoric to beat down trans men. Even so MTFs will never admit to having female privilege.
Find me just one case of first world FtM getting kicked out of their home and beaten by their father.
And note that post 90s only. I know it used to happen in like 50s and there was a time when FtM crossdressing was far more illegal and thus kinda less tolerated than MtF, but even in those times also MtFs were heavily discriminated and seen as acceptable targets for violence.
Also, does not count if it happened due to relationship with a female that happened to coincide with coming out as FtM. Small minority of lesbians (which the FtM is seen in this case) do get kicked out of their homes, but never heard of violence in those cases aside ancient ones.
>being a masculine woman is not stigmatized at all and there is absolutely no social downside to it
>no there are some downsides you are downplaying
>ok but find a specific case where a pooner gets kicked and beaten by their father!
Nice moving the goalposts retard. Notice how I never once mentioned that ftms had it worse or as bad as mtfs but you had to move the conversation towards that because troons are the most insufferable demographic on the planet. It’s absolutely false that there are no social consequences to dykemoding as a foid, simple as. Dykes are notoriously treated as subhuman by straight women.
Your reading comprehension sucks because I never claimed that there's no downsides to dykemoding or that FtMs don't experience any discrimination. My only point all this time is and was is that in post millenial times FtMs are not experiencing discrimination and hate on same level as MtFs especially in first world. You have things easy and should be glad about it if anything. Getting more discriminated doesn't make you any better/more trutrans cause real life isn't some weird oppression olympics.
>being a masculine woman is not stigmatized at all and there is absolutely no social downside to it
>I never claimed that there's no downsides to dykemoding or that FtMs don't experience any discrimination
You're confusing me with another person. I never wrote
, so maybe wait until they reply to you.
Don't assume that everyone discussing this issue here is same person.
Then don’t butt in to defend the post of an anon claiming masculine females are not stigmatized in any way if that’s not what you believe. Simple as.
>anon claiming masculine females are not stigmatized in any way
I'm the anon who made that post and I stand by it 100%
not only are dykemoder women not stigmatized, they are celebrated as the best human beings, readily added to all kinds of media (movies, videogames, etc love them, see the last of us which has a dyke protag and normies are breathlessly praising it for 3 years or something now), and they even get to be heads of countries no problem. picrel is dyke queen of Serbia, a country known to be very right-wing and even they absolutely love masculine women and elect them to high office. that's like a femboy becoming president of America, which will never ever happen.
you have been thoroughly deboonked. simple as.
>masculine women are not stigmatized but also stigma towards trans women affects them harshly
masculine afabs are the perpetrators of stigma towards trans women as can be clearly seen from the tumblr posts that started this thread.
im the one who started this thread. im regretting not deleting it 10 minutes in like i consider doing. this was a fucking gag post. i didnt read you all's long stupid argument. almost all FTMs have a positive view of MTFs and vice versa
You can only sweep the animosity under the rug for so long. FTMs and MTFs do not mix. We have fundamentally different upbringings, struggles and ways of seeing the world. The trans community would be way better off if we split it off between AMABs and AFABs.
>You can only sweep the animosity under the rug for so long. FTMs and MTFs do not mix. We have fundamentally different upbringings, struggles and ways of seeing the world. The trans community would be way better off if we split it off between AMABs and AFABs.
Wrong. FtMs and MtFs are more similar than they are different. Everyone in this thread is just angryposting.
MTFs and FTMs are similar.
Theyfabs and butches on T are different
Tbhon as a hsts ftm I have more in common with dykes on T than mtfs because they’re mostly just coping poonas who fell for radfem indoctrination. Theyfabs are aliens who should not be regarded as human though
> would be way better off if we split it off between AMABs and AFABs
Yeah that would work well with people who loathe being reminded of their sex
nice job ignoring all the dyke worship in media and society
lol just visit the average millenialhon or mid20s transitioner twitter and see how they talk about how they were treated. now compare that with how most ftms transition when they are literal teens? lmaoo its not comparison. like i said: you bitches aint oppressed
> how most ftms transition when they are literal teens
theres been a million studies about this but im just gonna like this one
https: (slashslash) www (dot) ncbi (dot) nlm (dot) nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC7906237/
most ftms come out when they are literal teenagers and their parents just let them! meanwhile when asking mtfs their parents reaction you get a variety of not very nice stories 🙂
linking as an image since LULZ is being mean with its filters
misgendering is the most oppresion they usually face so taking it like that is generally prety healthy
I did swim team so I was actively encouraged to shave my legs
That said yea good overall point. AFABs just allowed more masc expression than AMABs are allowed femme expression in general.
Like lots of parents, including mine fine with the leg shaving, oppose letting their sons grow their hair to even shoulder length. Pixie cuts on the other hand are totally fine
thank u! im glad we agree! so now i hope you can better understand why terftms are such an insult to us. trans women built the trans community. it was a community built by us for us as a safe space to escape all the abuse we face. ftms barely did anything for years and then suddenly, not only they appear but they bring the hateful retoric we built this space for, but they claim they had it worse despite the fact most got to transiton earlier, never were genuinely abused for their gender presentation, nor they were kicked out. it sucks. if youre gonna be a terfy ftm then please just dont call yourself trans. just call yourself a butch on t or something. we dont want you here, trans spaces are the only safe spaces for mtfs left. you can easily just get into womens shelters if you want comfort, but we cant. we can only hide and stomach it.
1 i never said most, i just said the worse case scenario get some reading comprehension girlie c:
2 the ugly troons usually come from either abuse they face by their parents when they try coming out so they end up transitioning later out of fear or because theyre uggo rapehons
3 transbian basement dwellers get kicked out and abused all the time lmao those are prime targets. the two heroin catgirl transbians from that vid were both abused and kicked out by their parents one i think mentioned getting sexually assaulted
4 you know nothing so please shut up and never speak again 🙂
5 kill yourself 🙂
pooners deserve to enter your amab safe space because they are men too. stop being a bigot hon
and i welcome them as long as they arent terfs! if they enter whats pretty much the only safe space for trans women and start spouting hateful rethoric then thats like going to a black mans house while spouting racial slurs. at least give us this, you can always just get into a womans space without any objection if you need help sorting something about yourself out, while mens spaces are always harmful for mtfs
Sorry, most troons are not sexually assaulted by their families because y’all are hideous af. Most of you are transbian basement dwellers living rent free cause your parents are too afraid to kick you out.
we apparently very sexy actually
Pooner sexual assault rate is higher. AFABs always win TIM!
Ok sure you win. You get to be sexually assaulted more. I'm so jealous. Anyway...
lol most stories from ftms about sexual abuse always originates not only pretransition, but also entirely removed from transness altogether. you werent raped because youre trans, you were raped because youre a woman. trans women on the other hand, get assaulted bcuz theyre fem or trans all the time. its about the cause. transmisogyny exists, but transmisandry doesnt, you just experience normal misogyny all afabs face
(also i couldve pulled the whole "ftms only transition due to sexual trauma" transphobic argument but i didnt since im not like you)
Even though the assault rate is way higher than for cis women?
> You weren’t beaten because you’re a tranny, you’re were beaten because you are a man
god you really want me to pull out that second argument, dont you?
Go ahead, it’s not like you didn’t already call FTMs women. Then you go chimp out when you get called a man in return. This is why nobody likes MTFs by the way.
I'm a bit late calling you out on this but let's not pretend like you hadn't already used that argument. By mentioning you wouldn't use it as an argument you used it as an argument. And threatening with using it is also using it.
Just say you hate ftms or don't see them as valid or something, maybe once we get that out of the way we can start being constructive
>> You weren’t beaten because you’re a tranny, you’re were beaten because you are a man
non-tranny gnc males catch the same kind of beatings.
Yeah, but don’t tell the transbian Serano cultists that
to them it's coomfuel, "turn oppressive beatings into the best fuck ever" or whatever that degenerate said.
the trans community would be so much nicer if we just dropped the T(ransbians).
very well put cause
>transmisogyny exists, but transmisandry doesnt, you just experience normal misogyny all afabs face
is the most important point and I think everyone can agree on that FtMs should stop pretending it exist
it used to exist in older times when being FtM was seen as trying to steal male privilege, but such concept does not apply in our times (atleast in first world, there maybe still 3rd world countries where it exist and it probably does exist in muslim world, but first world FtMs are just pretending)
Duh, non-trans people can experience transmisogyny cause transmisogyny means hate on amabs being feminine.
Similarly non-trans people could experience transmisandry too (I doubt all the afabs who got punished for crossdressing in history were trans), but it does not exist in our times anymore
And note that it's not transmisandry why butch women get hate due to being GNC because they're not getting hate for their masculinity itself, but breaking gender roles and being ugly women. It's just plain old sexism, lookism and misogyny. Transmisandry happens only in very patriarchal socities that usually make any kind of FtM transition (or crossdressing) illegal
trans women are women
trans men are women
> most ftms come out when they are literal teenagers
Most don’t even know that’s a thing when they’re teenagers and most don’t come out until adulthood
> their parents just let them
Sure, especially when it’s not even legal for teenagers to transition
>implying that in first world gnc females are less accepted
what are you smoking? I haven't ever seen any first world FtM complain about being kicked out of home or beaten by their parents, but I do know tons of US and EU MtFs kicked out of their home for being trans, some times even beaten and otherwise abused too.
>don’t hang around ftm spaces
>don’t hear about ftm experiences
>wow, why does nothing happen to ftms
*for ordering a skirt in amazon and them intercepting the package
they are just spoilt where nothing is ever enough.
don't have to wear dresses, don't have to wear hair long, don't have to learn to cook or clean, single life is so normalized that 70% or so of young adults aren't married, so no pressure to get hitched either, etc.
wtf does "female socialization" even mean in this day and age? it's a concept that is not even applicable in any meaningful way in modern times.
I notice some FTMs are extremely hostile to sex-work in a way that seems kind of off. Def a red-flag.
my favorite are the extremely sex negative ones who call amab libido rapey and inherently predatory who go full coomer after getting on T so they either lower the dose until theyre no longer coomers, go off T entirely, or remain on it, but keep saying that its ok for them to be rapey coomers since theyre afab. god they suck
High libido doesn't make you a coomer, you can be hypersexual but not a cumbrain
>my favorite are the extremely sex negative ones who call amab libido rapey and inherently predatory
I wonder if some FTMs are kind of a reverse of the over-the-top sexuality we see in some MTFs
Like FTMs are known for being horny but it's possibly some just really don't like being women/get dysphoric over women's sexuality and being perceived as a woman in a sexual way like that.
Like whatever makes some cis-women really oppose say sexy armor in video games, or boob sliders, maybe some minority of FTMs have that impulse cranked up to 11
I don't think you can pump a woman full of testosterone and not have her end up being horny.
Ftms must have higher libidos than mtfs on average. Drugs similar or identical to mtf hrt (inculding estrogenergic ones, not just androgen blockers) have a history of being used to suppress sex drive in sex offenders so mtfs who are high sex drive are likely horny in spite of their hormones rather than because of them.
Well yea but it's in the same way how some MTFs transition for fetishisty reasons but end up less fetishy because their sex-drive is cut due to low-T.
So the reverse for FTMs. They[again this is a minor subset but would have overlap with this TERF group] have an aversion to [especially female] sexuality before transition and oversexualization and objectification. Then they transition and get hornybrained.
It's more about how they were before transition/hrt rather than how they act when they're on hrt.
> some just really don't like being women/get dysphoric over women's sexuality and being perceived as a woman in a sexual way like that
Probably the majority. Do mtfs not get dysphoric over being perceived as men?
>Probably the majority. Do mtfs not get dysphoric over being perceived as men?
It's often in a different non-sexual sense as men aren't objectified in the same way women are.
For MTFs a comparable situation would be your friends asking you to move their furniture because they perceive you as strong. It's not as sexually charged usually.
Then again I've never been a chad and I'm sure they sometimes do get something similar.
But I'd also say it's not just about themselves being objectified but opposing objectification or female sexuality in a general sense. Again the "can video game characters be hot" or "should sex work be legal" discussions. More abstract sexuality.
MTF lurking your thread and yeah I do. Women come on to me a lot and make it really clear that they see me as a man and it makes me feel like shit.
Who likes whores tho, it’s not a red flag
>Who likes whores tho, it’s not a red flag
It's not just about being a SWERF
That kind of thought/behavior has a ton of overlap with some other toxic behaviors.
Like think of the incels who say stuff like
>Girls never want to date me I'm such a loser
>That girl has slept with so many guys she's such a fucking slut what a whore
That kind of thing.
>Girls never want to date me I'm such a loser
>That girl has slept with so many guys she's such a fucking slut what a whore
Honestly I don’t see why these are exclusive
He thinks he's a loser who can't get laid and at the same time he's shaming any women who might be willing to date him.
You see this a lot in more traditional cultures like say the Middle East. Where the men will really feel the need to be sexual as teens but view any woman who has sex outside marriage or w/e as a fallen woman.
But dating isn’t remotely similar to sleeping around. Seems perfectly sound to me.
‘transmasc’ isn’t ftm, it’s theyfab
yeah this they totally gravitate to tumblr for whatever reason.
you can recognize the signs of it whenever you talk to pooners who emphasize their afab-ness and female socialization, who mainly socialize with cis women and theyfabs, and just generally don’t understand or relate to manhood. terfism is their way of controlling their fear of men (deflecting it into a safe target, trannies) and their failure/inability to meaningfully socially transition.
Discrimination for being a gnc man?
Can someone explain what she means by this? It's always been my understanding that men are extremely privileged and never the victim of sex-based discrimination, I guess that's untrue though?
>Can someone explain what she means by this?
they think that the abuse men receive for being gnc is not because they're men but because everyone hates female clothes and expression.
basically the woman cries out as she hits you for being gnc.
It also means we recognize trans men are just lesbians! I hope this helps!
unpassing pooners can experience sexism and misogyny for being seen as female. It's pretty much only thing discrimination experience as there's not much transphobia directed towards FtMs.
so this is fembrained poons who can't pass and cope by being TERFs I guess, also kinda inevitable because most radfems are butch lesbians and many FtMs also start as butch lesbians
Half of ovarit terfs are repressors.
It's probably cases where a butch lesbian starts experimenting with testosterone but still pretty much thinks like a lesbian. Same idea as an hrt femboy.
Also the one OP is talking about said "a little terfy at times" so it's not like he literally means he excludes himself from feminism. He probably just sometimes agrees with terfs about their more mild takes like keeping mtfs out of women's sports. A lot of mtfs talk about sometimes agreeing with terfs too.
why do some ftms have to hate trannies
i didnt ask to be born a man 🙁
Penis is EVIL.
Same reason why some mtfs hate ftms, they’re retarded
I love when trannies fight other trannies, it’s like they’re half-aware about the fact they are in no way, shape or form the gender they claim they are but are too narcissistic to apply that thinking to themselves. Truly a wonderful display of mental illness.
t. ftm non-terf
>trans exclusionary trans men
STOP calling us men, TIM!! We are TRANSMASC, we are LESBIANS, we are TIFs. GOT IT??
Kek why don’t get just call themselves HRT dykes? It would at least not be so circularly logical
some of them aren't even on HRT anon it's just a meme to them. theyre either fakers or way self hating
the queer community hasnt had a constructive debate since stonewall
god can we drop these pathetic fucks in a spiked pit from a great height pleaze
This plot is getting way to confusing to keep up with.
stop arguing and hating on FtMs and saying they have it so easy
it's ridiculous and does nothing, stop spreading hate between us
there's specific upsides and downsides to being ftm or mtf, one isn't inherently better or easier
>there's specific upsides and downsides to being ftm or mtf, one isn't inherently better or easier
I mean I don't hate pooners, but this is a clear lie (atleast in western society)
Not going to lie I was a bit terfy but only towards transbians however looking back it was because of misplaced jealousy over not being AMAB. Now that I’ve actually transitioned I have come to believe that mtfs have it harder than ftms.
Man this was a joke thread why the fuck you bitches have to argue in every single thread
that’s it, i used to love our mtf sisters until i came to this board and reading this thread was the breaking point. i’m officially a ftm terf. wish me luck sisters!
>former trump supporter here we seriously cant let this guy get the nuclear codes
sweet, i love a good infighting thread. what's everyone's favorite sonic game
poon bros... this comic made me feel really unstigmatized.. wtf im a woman again now!
kek you got any more of those?
radfem tumblr is more fucked up than anything i've ever seen on LULZ and that bar is pretty insane. the feel-good "pleasantries" like this only make it so much fucking creepier to think about
afab womanhood is an actual horror and "Radfems" are just patriarchy enforcers trying to hunt down and drag back people trying to escape it (ftms) or expel people trying to integrate with womanhood in a way that isnt completely suffocating (mtfs). naturally it's freaky to look at yes
give me links
it's really not that hard to find dude
you know as well as i do that screencap is surface level child's play stuff, and that it takes very little to find radblr's justified abuse and murder of amab children because they're "born rapists", which is barely the tip of the iceberg itself
>you know as well as i do that screencap is surface level child's play stuff
uh... no i dont, actually i thought that was about as bad as it got anon..
>Wow you're so strong and hecking valid!!!
>Wdym you're still trans? But I gave you compliments! You're suppoed to change your mind now!
>transition to male anyway
>logic and rationality
Yeah okay, stop acting like men are any more rational. They are just better at pretending. I'm not shy of how I feel about things, but plenty of (cis) guys are. So they act like their feelings are axiomatic and therefore logical, but they're still letting their feelings dictate their opinions first and foremost. If anything I feel like high T makes this worse, and the most masculine people are the least likely to even consider straying from their dogma
That sounds pretty male brained. Any examples?
Well for one, climate change is a good example. (Male) politicians who deny it in its entirety will ignore any evidence as biased, even the mild stuff. They will call their opposition emotional, but they themselves will make appeals like, and I am paraphrasing an actual statement, "it will cost a hundred trillion with no benefits".
Same with trans "debates". Usually guys who "just don't believe it's real" with nothing to back it up.
And for another one my dad who doesn't like to give up some luxury comforts when I tell him stuff like overconsumption are bad, then tells me that all humans are taxing the world and I should just off myself if I care so much.
Often completely off the rails stuff that they present as conpletely level-headed despite clearly being either spur-of-the-moment opinions or just blatantly uninformed (despite repeated opportunities to inform themselves)
>Same with trans "debates"
a huge amount of opposition to trannies is from women.
trannyism wasn't even a big political issue until women started seething (irrationally) about bathrooms and sports.
Yeah but men jump in just as easily. I guess my point really is that there is no real difference. There's reasonable and unreasonable people, and whether you're a man or a woman only seems to determine which excuses you use to pretend otherwise
Said seething was also engineereed by males though. Gender Critical is not really organic TERF movement, but originally conservative astroturfing to cause LGBT infighting being adopted by also TERFs
This is like saying anti-covid lockdowns isn't organic because it was jumpstarted by conservative astroturf bullshit (which is true by the way). That may have been what started it but people were memed into buying it for real and now how can you really say it's fake at this point.
>it was le moids who masterminded it
women and responsibility like oil and water.
This thread has taught me that fembrained FtMs need to disappear. Unfortunately that's the vast majority of them.
When something happens to FtM's they instantly regress back to being female.
go to jail? Oops I've detransitioned
need shelter? Oops I've detransitioned
It's not that FtM's don't experience discrimination, it's that they have a wide variety of support networks they can access regardless of their transition. MtF's are discriminated in female spaces, and male spaces aren't suitable for us/we are actively putting ourselves in harm's way engaging with them.
i'm just lurking but please god go back to lolcow or cc or whatever other hole this thread keeps getting flooded from, this is embarrassing
42, the meaning of life
45 aka donald trump
46 aka joe biden .
Can we come to an agreement that trans "women" who act like this should be ousted from the trans movement and forcibly detransitioned?
"women" in quotes, how amicable of you
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69! mtfs and ftms 69'ing each other with hot tranny sex. girlballs on his face. tdick on her face. win win.
70 times the t4t sex
It literally is misandry though
What does she mean by terfy? I could see a place for ftms in trans-inclusive radfem spaces or intersectional feminism.
im not gonna post that number
I got you brother
ftm equivalent of nazi mra trans women
Congrat retard, you can count to 100