Whats the reason behind roman dna being non existent in northern europe even after the romans conquered what is now britain they left nothing behind?
Could the invasion of italy by north africans be the reason?
are northern europeans the true romans now?
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No
if the romans ruled france and britain for hundreds of years genetically there should be evidence of it but there isnt
so what happened? where did it go?
>Could the invasion of italy by north africans be the reason?
Literally just Sicily?
As it turns out conquering an area does not mean mass migration for centuries to the region.
>We wuz romans n shiet, italianboi
>*Puts ketchup on pizza*
Forget the north. Even the current day Italians have very little to do with Romans.
Germs destroyed any semblance of Patrician blood they had centuries ago.
lmao weak bait moron
Frick off larping Mario
My dick has more Roman blood than you.
Is this bait or are you moronic? Iron age romans were like a mix between a spaniard and a north italian, completely unrelated to north euros
when people talk about Rome they mean the metal armors, emperorz, empire, marble temples, homosexuals, etc..
not the mud hut early tribals
>Iron age romans were like a mix between a spaniard and a north italian
>north
KEK
Romans wuz germanic ostrogoths
We have now a lot of ancient samples from Europe. Wewuzing is becoming more and more absurd. The Italic-Etruscan Iron Age cluster is pretty well defined already and every new study only confirms it.
So who is close to iron age romans and who is not?
North Italians/Spaniards.
This profile was really common in all of South Europe in the Iron Age. Illyrians looked very similar.
>So who is close to iron age romans and who is not?
all italians except sicilians, homosexual
Northeastern / Eastern Spaniards are the closest, but Romans plot in place where no modern European plot.
A little bit of Italian DNA is common on the North African coast
WE WUZ?
>roman dna
moronus magnus.
Now you get what political/elites maps mean.
It is like the Mongol, Ottoman or AlAndalus map. They show places where they went or the raids they did or the political regime they impossed, but this does not mean almost nothing from a demographic point of view.
Political maps of the past are just made-up generalizations made by Historians to try to explain history.
The % of Roman blood in UK or NorthAfrica is negligible, probably almost inexistent despite the centuries of Roman rule.
The % of ottoman, mongol, nafri blood in Eastern-Central Europe or Iberia is almost inexistent or negligible.
Do people really believe that millions (or hundred of thousands Romans went to live to all areas of UK)? Millions or hundreds of thousands mongols, ottomans, or nafris went to live to all areas of Eastern Europe or Iberia? Not at all. Some tens of thousands lived in the main spots (main capitals of the time or main geopolitical spots) but most of the people never saw a roman, a mongol, an ottoman or a nafri ever during centuries.
Turks did change Anatolian genetics, Slavs and Germans had an impact on South Europe, Turko-Mongols obviously changed a lot of Central Asian ancestry.
But those were basically demographic invasions. I am talking about geopolitical rule: romans, mongols, AlAndalus, etc.
It is like if I went to New York with my friends and some Historian paint the USA as mine in the future just because I used to be there and rule it.
But this has little to do with Romans but with Neolithic farmers. Romans barely had 3-4 spots in Eastern Spain. I highly doubt that they were more than 0-1% of the total population of the area. There are no chronicles saying that hundred of thousands of Romans were going to live to Iberia. Just a few burocrats, soldiers, and little else.
Yes, it's a coincidene. Modern Italians are too East Med shifted to be closest to ancient Latins or Etruscans.
Distance to: ITA_Urbino_Bivio:R1557___AD_151
0.02821332 Sicilian_East
0.03278808 Italian_Apulia
0.03321816 Italian_Campania
0.03337101 Italian_Molise
0.03445718 Greek_Deep_Mani
Distance to: ITA_Urbino_Bivio:R1556___AD_151
0.02442379 Italian_Campania
0.02658459 Italian_Basilicata
0.02735262 Italian_Apulia
0.02753111 Italian_Calabria
0.02828900 Sicilian_East
Distance to: ITA_Urbino_Bivio:R1555___AD_146
0.02883818 French_Corsica
0.03245600 Italian_Tuscany
0.03318656 Italian_Umbria
0.03594656 Italian_Lazio
0.03743293 Italian_Piedmont
Distance to: ITA_Urbino_Bivio:R1554___AD_173
0.02609147 Sicilian_East
0.02842561 Sicilian_West
0.02967994 Italian_Apulia
0.02994658 Maltese
0.03047876 Italian_Campania
This is how Roman plebeians looked like by second century CE.
These kind of references using 4-5 people to try to represent a several million people empire means little.
Who were these "ITA_Urbino-1555" 1556 1557 ? Maybe they were from the same area, or from the same family, or just visitors, or from a certain ethnicity. Unless we have like 200 references we can´t take conclussions about something as big as the Roman Empire.
It is like the 6-7 individuals that were found in a muslim cemetery in AlAndalus. Some people use this reference to try to portrait how AlAndalus looked like and even to try to sell the fake idea of massive mixing in all of Iberia.
There's around 200 or more. I think there's 300+ samples from Italy.
True Romans refused to frick the disgusting barbarian women
Only rapebabies existed but they are not enough to leave a mark
It's the other way around. Roman DNA is non-existent in Italy due to Hannibal's army raping its cross way the region.
Target: Italian_Calabria
Distance: 5.6820% / 0.05682043
82.6 TUN_Carthage_Kerkouane
17.4 CZE_IA_Hallstatt
0.0 ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.0 ITA_Sardinia_Nuragic
You live in cuckville
>romans conquered what is now britain they left nothing behind
Haven't you seen British people? Half of us look like we're med.
There's tons of Med/Roman DNA in Germany/England. They used to be way more Nordic genetically.
It's Celtic rather than Roman.
Nope. Ireland/Scotland is more Nordic than England. Anglos are basically Southrons in comparisons.
>OP unwilling to contemplate Northern Euros simply killed off his ancestors for trespassing north of the Alps and that he and his people were simply brown Mediterraneanoids all along.
>are northern europeans the true romans now?
We wuz romands und scheisse mein neger
Even the current day Italians have very little to do with Romans. Slaves from Syria and German rape of Italian women have changed the Italian genetic profile.
>are northern europeans the true romans now?
Even the closest modern European populations are clearly different from Romans.
Target: French_Corsica
Distance: 1.9973% / 0.01997341
63.6 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
28.0 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.0 West_Europe_Hunter-Gatherer_WHG
1.2 Iran_Neolithic_Farmer_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.2 Morocco_Early_Neolithic_Farmer_MAR_EN
Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
Distance: 3.3990% / 0.03399022
56.6 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
27.2 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.6 West_Europe_Hunter-Gatherer_WHG
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Target: ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
Distance: 3.7677% / 0.03767744
66.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
21.0 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
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