What's the conclusion of?

Was it good, bad?
Do arabs and slavs like it, would you want it back?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    any turk who does not miss the ottoman empire has no heart
    anyone who wants it back has no brain

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >anyone who wants it back has no brain
      Why not, it would be cool for someone to show those uppity Balkanians and Greeks their place, and to tame Arabs

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The solution is to create a new and improved empire that learned from past mistakes, not try and return to one that already failed

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think the stability it entailed was an improvement over the current situation in the middle east, but it fell, as empires are wont to do, and was ultimately unable to overcome its rivals or it its own shortcomings as a nation.

          Agreed.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck turkey and turks in particular

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Turks are based for giving us Mount and Blade. Greeks have done absolutely nothing lately and are nothing more than EU welfare queens.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Islam=bad

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      bump

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Was it good, bad?
    cool as fuck
    >Do arabs and slavs like it, would you want it back?
    no turks should go for pan turkism now imo

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no turks should go for pan turkism now imo
      last digit decides what Turkey will go for:

      0 - hardcore Islamism
      1 - hardcore Kemalism
      2 - neo-Ottomans
      3 - secular liberalism, joins the EU
      4 - taken over by Kurds
      5 - we wuz Romans
      6 - pan-Turkism
      7 - Turanism
      8 - Kara Boga-ism
      9 - pan-Anatolian-farmer-ism

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I hope you're proud of what you've done

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        rolln for 3

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        rolling for 7

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Culturally sterile

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most dull and lowest quality empire in history

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Things are either good or bad

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    r1b-z2103 pretending to be r1a-z93

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    kino

    harems, ME voodoo architecture and dress, slave soldier elites

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    a good meme but don't get carried away now

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If Europe had know what a fucking headache the Mideast would become, i don’t think they would have dismantled the Ottoman Empire. Except for the British that is.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wish the Safavids were strong enough to keep Iraq

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Safavids were circassians not iranian

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        don't care. They were majority shia and aligned more with Iraq. Ottoman's just appointed mamluks and let the places they conquered rot.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was the worst thing that happened to the balkans and middle east and is universaly hated by both slavs and arabs

    In 1945 the line betveen 70% literacy and -20% literacy in south east europe literaly folloved the border of the ottoman empire
    On one side people had fucking printing presses and universities and comunicated with the rest of the western world, and later had telegraphs and railroads and fucking penicilin, and on the other they had harač and zulum

    It was a big, massive bloody shit, like when someone has a shit so massive it turns out blood covered, that

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That was intentional though, they had a policy where you were only allowed to use the printing press in Constantinople. It was a good way to control the population, and pretty logical if you're running an empire as big as that. You don't want guys spreading around manifestos and stirring up revolts all the time in places a thousand miles away from your imperial capital.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        was it really that hard to set up bootleg presses by importing parts from europe under the table?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Ottoman navy controlled the eastern Mediterrean and their governors controlled the local armies. More importantly, you would have to know that 1) a printing press would be beneficial to your region, which would not be obvious to people who never used it and 2) in your interests to benefit your region, which would rarely be the case for the people the Ottoman put in positions of power. For example, if you're the Mamelukes, the Ottomans already accepted you as the elite of Egypt. You're already enjoying being the local boss, so introducing the printing press would do nothing but harm your position.

          The more average, non-Mamluk you ruled over would have to fulfill not just 1) and 2), but have the means to buy a printing press (almost impossible given Ottoman economic policies which kept everyone but the elite poor) and convince the people around them, who are probably all extremely poor and have much more immediate worries, to care about this and understand 1) and 2). So it was extremely unlikely without outside intervention. The Balkans were more fortunate in this regard, as they directly bordered the rest of Europe, so it was harder for the Ottomans to keep bad ideas out. But up until their decline period, the Ottoman authorities were still pretty competent. For example, a Greek printing press was set up by Nicodemus Metaxas and Cyril Lucaris in 1627, but the Ottoman authorities quickly tracked it down and closed it.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The ottoman empire is the Muslim equivalent of the spanish empire

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    was probably bad overall, but when you consider the degree to which things went to shit once they were gone it's hard not to miss them.
    A better empire would integrate its subjects to a degree that it isn't succeeded by vicious bouts of mutual ethnic cleansing, but man the independent Balkan and Arab states made the Ottomans look good by comparison

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    As an Arab I definitely want it back just so it could fall again and enjoy the lingering disdain from the Turk's knowing that they lost out on all that oil, plus all the slaughtering of Turkish conscripts in the Middle East must have been fun. The israelite had their eyes set for the Middle East since the beginning; even if it was still controlled by the Ayyubid Kurds or the Quraysh it would still have been gang raped by all the ZOGs.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Best incarnation of the Roman Empire.
    Best incarnation of the Persian Empire.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I am going to hijack this thread for a similar question.

    Why do we see the centers of technological and societal progress shift north over time? It seems all technological progress today is in northern countries and their colonies (Australia), but 1000 years ago it was in places like North Africa and Iberia.

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