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What's LULZ's opinion on Line Battles?

  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    big dick energy
    and the best you can do considering the technological and sociaal development back then

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    long story short they prevent defeat in detail and maximize firepower. stop thinking you're a better general than actual successful generals please

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah they are pretty retarded and grew out of class divide. If you care for your soldiers let them take cover.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        you're an idiot. the next step is trench warfare which are just even stronger lines. battles are fought as a group, you're not an individual playing cowadoodty and if you try you just get killed

        how are you going to communicate and organize your force when every fucked is just running around for cover and doing their own thing? you effectively end up trapping yourself and the enemies superior firepower will crush you

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you're an idiot. the next step is literally shifting your lines into cover from trenches lile you say
          Great argument fuckbrain

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >men break ranks to take cover
        >Immediately get run down by cavalry
        >men stay in line
        >they form square and repel the cavalry
        Besides there were units who fought in a disorganized fashion and took cover. They were called skirmishers and they were unable to break enemy units with the strong cohesion and firepower of a line

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Cavalry can't take fortified positions with trenches fences and cannons.

          They didnt have rifles until the american revolution, so effective range and reloading ment it made sense to use organized mobs to maximise your firepower.

          This says nothing against using cover.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        They didnt have rifles until the american revolution, so effective range and reloading ment it made sense to use organized mobs to maximise your firepower.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          NOOO NO NO NO IM SMARTER THAN EVERY MILITARY MIND FROM 1444 TO THE 1890'S. I'M THE ULTIMATE MILITARY GENIUS

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            explain

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm just mocking people who know nothing of line warfare yet think they could do it better

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                6'2 men in kilts charging with swords btfos the linelet spiritually and physically

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Charging into pointy sticks with knifes

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, most casualties in those kinds of wars weren't even from fighting, they were from trying to get to the battlefield. Who cares if you're more likely to get shot in a line if statistically speaking small arms isn't even in the top five of death causes in a war?

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    try stop the line without another line
    pro tip, you can't.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm reading war and peace rn and austerlitz made me really sad

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Actual Warfare is the purest form of competition, being governed by very few rules. Line warfare would not have lasted in actual wars if it was ineffective.

    People who criticise it usually do not fully understand:
    1. The inaccuracy and extremely low fire rate of smoothbore muzzleloading weapons (2-3 shots per minute for extremely well drilled soldiers)
    2. How 5ft long muzzleloaders are a struggle to reload when crouched or prone.
    3. The importance of the bayonet charge and how dense formations benefit soldiers in melee.
    4. The danger of cavalry charges and the formations needed to counter these.
    5. The innacuracy of artillery and the lack of long range killing power. Reliable explosive shells had not been invented.

    All of the above points were true thoughout the 18th century and become no longer true throughout the 19th, coinciding with line warfare dying out.

    Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's shit, guns ruined war.

      >Actual Warfare is the purest form of competition
      wrong.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >wrong
        You sure, because armies that often went to war usually succeeded, while those which played at war did not
        For a good example see the Eight Banner Armies performance in the Taiping Heavenly Rebellion compared to that of the Green Standard Army

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You sure
          No, I just hate gun warfare.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      What makes a good soldier in your opinion, Sharpe?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The ability to fire three shot a minute. In any weather.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your not even a Gentleman. Your opinion is voided.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            does the virginian get more exposure in the books? loved that guy

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes. Everyone does. The books are so much better than the show its crazy. And the show was already based as hell

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Shut up simmerson you should have killed yourself tbqhwy

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I HAVE FRIENDS IN HORSE GUARDS

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                A man who loses the king's colours loses the king's friendship.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            And you can't even speak your own language.
            Go void your bowels, that's all you're good for.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            MAJOR LENNOX ANSWERED WITH HIS LIFE

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      i do 1812 (American Great Lakes - militia and artillery) reenactment, so i don't have the full scope of euro line battles. we can get a battalion or two maneuvering up against each other, with a few rare cavalrymen (mostly at Mississinewa)
      it's a good spectacle, with loud booms, but sometimes lacks the action of melee. still, powder is fun and its pretty neat when smoke fills the field and all you can hear is the crack of ignition. from the ground perspective, it's pretty fucking intense, your mind can get pretty locked into your drill and muscle memory that you can barely realize what's going on around you, which is why the officers/NCOs are so important to keep everyone moving according to the program. i've been flanked by horse and company without even realizing it, just because of how i've only been looking at my musket/looking forward: tunnel vision is pretty bad when you're tightly packed and not doing light infantry/skirmisher drill.

      most of these; plus, the morale effect of a mass volley is much more horrifying than individual shots. coordinating units is a fucking challenge, especially with fog of war and the literal clouds of gunpowder. people always ask "why didn't they wear camouflage?" but there was a battle where american militia were killed by friendly fire after retreating through the smoke because nobody in the american lines knew who was falling back--if they had been bright red or freedom blue, they would've been able to identify them quicker than the infantrymen's nerves

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous
  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I want more fantasy series with this rough tech level, second most aesthetic era after the immediately preceding one of pike and shot.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I feel you. I want it so bad I've started worldbuilding a fantasy setting with line war as it's central focus. I wish I could draw so I could draw their uniforms. I'm even making conlangs for the various nations and factions.
      If you like eu4 check the anbennar mod. Its fantasy pike and shot that evolves into line war.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        based
        please add hobbits as your anglo standins, luv me some 'obbits

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          RN I just have human two human factions and a barely fleshed out map. I want to add all your standard races and maybe some I come up with on my own.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    ultimate midwit filter

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      God the British riflemen uniform was so fucking clean

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      The way movies depict them is fucking retarded. They act as though people just waited around to get shot.
      Line formations were incredibly mobile and a hell of a lot more decentralized than what's depicted. They were organized into firing lines, yes, but in practice they broke off into smaller supporting contingents in engagements.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >yes, but in practice they broke off into smaller supporting contingents in engagements.
        Regular infantry units typically didn't unless the terrain absolutely called for it (forests, buildings) because it destroyed any kind of command and control. The actors in the pic you posted are representing skirmishers who had a very different role to play and thus were able to act in those kinds of formations.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like most people see the american civil war as an example of line battles when really the european observers were appalled by these batshit americans dying so senselessly.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      They just didn't realize how bad wars were gonna get. The tech was way better at killing but not so much better that you could use small unit tactics. A truly terrible time to fight a war.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    did you forget which war this was
    you're about a century off

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >line warfare
    lol
    lmao

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ships of the line
      >not line warfare

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      whats so funny

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ships also fought in lines

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        How tf did the french lose this?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nelson crossed their T's.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Guerrilla warfare is better

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Guerrilla warfare is better
      no honor or courage just getting lucky in battle

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Takes a lot of balls to just stand there and take being shot at.

    I understand the cruel logic behind it, and why it was the best option they had, but it must've been hellish on the mind (to say nothing of the body!) to be a part of the line. I do not envy them.

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