What were the philosophical implications of mouse utopia experiment?

What were the philosophical implications of mouse utopia experiment? How would a philosopher fix the experiment to prevent the same outcome?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Give the mice literally anything to do other than eating and fricking?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      People ignore this because they crave doom and despair.

      This experiment was repeated several times. If the rats get literally any form of stimulation that isn't food or fricking their society doesn't collapse

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Link to subsequent tests? Be interested in reading.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This. If anything it proves that a lack of stimulation causes the mice to become dull and violent even though their physiological needs were being met

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          People ignore this because they crave doom and despair.

          This experiment was repeated several times. If the rats get literally any form of stimulation that isn't food or fricking their society doesn't collapse

          what sort of stimulation?
          just wheels? toys? leaving the tv on?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Everything from little screens to rat playgrounds to brightly colored balls and little play pens and mazes with cheese buttons at the end. No matter what, if they have sufficient stimulation (ie more than one activity), they don't go insane. Even one activity makes them perfectly functional but they do get bored.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            so if the goyim are being provided with enough entertainment while they lay in their pods, they won't lose their minds while the enlightened ones prepare for the end of days?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The end of days will never come as long as there are men to bear witness to tomorrow

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >the mice won't go insane if they have literally anything engaging to occupy themselves instead of just eating, fricking and sleeping? must be the israelites

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >What were the philosophical implications of mouse utopia experiment?
    Nothing? Scientific experiments don't influence philosophy. The scientific method only exists in order to rigorously categorize observable natural phenome. It was never necessary to perform an experiment to understand, philosophically, that utopia breeds degeneration and threads of that knowledge have been present since fricking Plato.
    >How would a philosopher fix the experiment to prevent the same outcome?
    Its not philosophers' jobs to create or alter scientific experiments to achieve utopia. That's not how any of this works. That's the realm of political theorists, and political theorists who imagine themselves to be philosophers; i.e. those who pursue foundational axioms of knowledge, is how you wind up with flat morons like Marx.
    To answer your (idiotic) question, every philosopher would apply his or her own interpretations of foundational knowledge to the experiment and the results would be largely meaningless because philosophy doesn't exist to, or claim to, provide mice with utopian living conditions.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >observable natural phenome
      phenomena*

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Are you moronic? The question of utopia and its effects on people have been a topic in philosophy for a long time.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Wow, no shit moron, its almost like I stated exactly that in my post. Maybe you acquire basic literacy skills before your parents let you use the internet? Would be a better future for us all.

        there is literally nothing wrong with the question. The only question that should be asked in relation to the experiment is "Does this have parallels to a human society?" as in what can we infer from these mice about humans.
        You're ignoring the whole point of the study to discuss how relevant science is to philosophers. The experiment should be criticized because mice and humans have totally different reproductive strategies, humans being K-selected and mice R-selected. They treat their young totally differently

        >there is literally nothing wrong with the question
        Except that it has nothing whatsoever to do with philosophy. Its a stupid fricking question. Not that you can't ask stupid questions, but you're going to get stupid answers. Anyone who responds to a question on the level of, "how would economists alter the testing of the higgs boson?" without derision is either
        A: a moronic pseudointellectual who doesn't see the glaring problems with the question on the surface level
        B: a sophist whose genuine interest is in propagating a narrative and/or sheer disinformation by lying to the gullible
        And I don't see much indication that OP's question is being asked in irony, before you try that defense.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          how is behavior changing over generations not philosophical, and why are you butthurt over the idea that the mouse utopia can be philosophical

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >how is behavior changing over generations not philosophical
            I didn't say it was. Scientific experiments are not philosophical.

            >why are you butthurt over the idea that the mouse utopia can be philosophical
            weak strawman

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            gonna blow your mind
            the mice experiment showed behavior changing over generations, and it was scientific, and philosophical

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >the mice experiment showed behavior changing over generations
            yep
            >and it was scientific
            yep
            >and philosophical
            nope

            Philosophy isn't Natural Science. It's philosophy. Natural Science is applied philosophy; it requires axiomatic principles about what knowledge even is in order to understand the scientific process. Understanding that which precedes from axioms is not knowledge of those axioms.
            You're actually out here slinging around 'philosophical' as a term of authority to try and validate the importance of things you like.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            youre not white

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody on his is white.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I am. and BOOM. I knew it. I can smell you monkeys

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You're obviously not.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >posts meaningless paper with no context.
            thanks bud
            youre not human and you cant do science. I can smell Subsaharan African attempts at reason from 10k away

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >is too dumb to read
            Ok

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            no I read your paper, just doesnt have any context, and europeans (specifically nordics) are the definition of white so your argument means nothing if I follow what youre saying

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Well done jidf

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            ah jeez bud im just some guy in his living room (who happens to be nordic as frick). I've noticed a trend with the browns (subhumans) that whenever their browness is pointed out they accuse you of being a israelite. strange how nordic supremacy and our beliefs have trickled down to you. of course you cant keep the white supremacy part cause youre clearly not white, but you keep the "critical Semitic theory" as it is called. we hate semites in part cause they try to make us be around you people so its all really quite ironic

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Unjiddable

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            oh sweet we're not using words anymore. GN my dear Black (or some such I suspect)

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            would be an improvement for you most likely

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      there is literally nothing wrong with the question. The only question that should be asked in relation to the experiment is "Does this have parallels to a human society?" as in what can we infer from these mice about humans.
      You're ignoring the whole point of the study to discuss how relevant science is to philosophers. The experiment should be criticized because mice and humans have totally different reproductive strategies, humans being K-selected and mice R-selected. They treat their young totally differently

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Seems like one hell of extrapolation from 8 mice to humanity as a whole.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the implications are that cities and civilization is the direct cause of homosexuality and rabid violence, due to overpopulation.

    Democrats btfo

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      ancient greece was 1. gayer and 2. more violent and 3. had less cities and 4. had smaller cities

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >had less cities
        >had smaller cities
        which only proves that "civilization" is a problem from the very get go, that it doesn't need to even get to the point of modern day mega-cities for it to start showing signs of overpopulation.

        Thanks for proving my point, it's so rare to have allies online.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          that does not explain why rome which had bigger cities and more cities but was less gay and violent

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >the implications are that cities and civilization is the direct cause of homosexuality and rabid violence, due to overpopulation
      >in mice
      NIMH btfo

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There are some parallels with modern society generally fricking with our emotional state, but this was obvious beforehand. The mouse experiment is just one experiment with a species far removed from ourselves, it doesn't actually tell us much.

    Trying to meme it as some kind of apotheosis is silly, you are better off looking at chimpanzee troops and social experiments with humans.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    We didn’t evolve to just be given things for free. Suffering and fighting is natural and healthy

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Humans are not mice

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >humans are not animals.
      >mice are animals.
      >there is absolutely NO OVERLAP between one type of animal and humans.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >fish can breath underwater
        >fish are animals
        >humans are animals
        >ERGO humans can breath underwater
        >because all animals are necessarily more similar than they are dissimilar
        By god anon you've cracked the fricking code

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >t. doesn't understand why scientists test products ultimately meant for human use on animals.
          I know you're trying to refute me, and desperately want to win, but you're doomed to lose this argument. No one is saying that humans are mice, but EVERYONE knows that scientists test products on animals before it reaches the human market.
          It's implicitly understood that there's enough similarities between humans and animals that we can learn about humans via testing on animals.

          that does not explain why rome which had bigger cities and more cities but was less gay and violent

          >Rome
          >less violent
          >less gay
          and here i thought this was a IQfy thread.
          just because Rome had stricter laws for homosexuality than Greece did, doesn't mean that homosexuals didn't exist. It just means that gays stayed in the closet more. (whoa, what a novel concept!)

          Cities are cancer and not "natural". Just as in the mouse experiment, the body instinctually knows when it's living in overpopulated areas, and produces chemicals that result in gay children down the line, to help reduce overpopulation.
          It's why you'll always find more gays in a city than in the rural areas (even accounting for population ratios)

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            so are you a loser in real life to or only on IQfy?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn't even attempt to refute anything i said.
            >now only attempts to insult with non sequiturs
            thank you for admitting i'm right. 🙂

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't happen.
    https://www.gwern.net/Mouse-Utopia

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >only things to do were eat or frick
    >mice go insane
    It’s almost like animals need varied stimuli/things to do in order to remain sane

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >it started with 4 males and 4 females
    >the colony peaked at 2,200
    Maybe try it with a few hundred unrelated founding members so there isn't so much mouse incest leading the over-expression of harmful recessive traits.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Give them weed.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Spiteful Mutant Theory

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The implications are that if you put people in a cell with only food and water forever, they'll die a slow death inside until they actually die of old age, presuming they don't anhero.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The implication is you'll die of peak oil in 6mo.
    His will ignore this, act moronic and so forth.

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