What was the true reason why Satan betrayed God? what is the Blackpill?

What was the true reason why Satan betrayed God? what is the Blackpill? there should be something more than Muh i want to be more powerful than God and rule everything maybe Satan saw God as not truly divine and powerful and he could be killed

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pride.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, and his pride lead him to not accept God's orders at the beginning of creation which was to kneel before man, as an angel he refused to do so, began the rebellion with 1/3 of the angels in heaven and was cast down to the earth.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why is JHVH never accused of being proud? Why is everyone else condemned for independent thought and action, while he gets a free pass?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He is God, and the creator of all things. How could God be proud? How could He who is above the rest be proud? What would there to be proud about when you know there is nothing greater than you?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >He is God, and the creator of all things
            At least according to him.

            >How could God be proud?
            Proud gods are extremely common in the history of religion

            But perhaps you are really asking, how could he possibly be proud of this creation? You would have a point in that case, he did not make an excellent job

            >How could He who is above the rest be proud?
            JHVH does not really behave like he is "above it all"

            >What would there to be proud about when you know there is nothing greater than you?
            The very fact that he would refer to himself in such terms means he is anything but humble

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You state these things from a lack of experience with Him, which is nothing new. Lots of people wrongly judge God, due to the fact that they have no experience with Him directly. So I don't hold it against you to think these things. I'm not the one that will be judging you.

              The creation is the way it is because of Satan and the fact that God respects free will.

              >humble
              Being self aware doesn't mean you can't be humble. You are trying to judge God from a lack of understanding of who He is and what He is. Thus, you are led to believe what you believe through your limited understanding. All you do is prove your ignorance.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >demands that his creations praise him and tell him what a big dick gigachad he is
            >gets pissy over trivial slights
            >not proud as fuck

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This and basically being subservient to us because we’re created in His image. Angels are a higher being than us, so there’s a bit of irony in the fact that most prideful being is now lower than us. There was probably some stipulation that if he helped humanity he could return to his station, but pride is the greatest of all sins for a reason.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We were forbidden from being together , our love was forbidden . I couldn't understand how love could be evil , I still don't

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What was the true reason the scorpion stung the frog? Same thing, really.
    Good is good and evil is evil. Eternal principles

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most Angels have Ego like Humans Lucifer was not the only one how could he convince many Angels to betray God and join him?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That shit ain't even DLC, it's fanon. The Adversary is an agent of the Highest performing an ordained role, see Job and Christ in the desert.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If that was true then why did Jesus say
      >I saw Satan fall like lightning from Heaven
      ?
      and why in the book of Revelation, does it claim that a war in Heaven will take place, and Satan will be thrown down to earth, where he will deceive the majority of the world? Almost like Satan is acting on his own free will, because if he was just following orders, why on earth would God be kicking him out of Heaven?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I would be extremely cautious in interpreting the visions of a guy eating mushrooms in a cave. And taking parables and coded speech literally.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Satan's fall from Heaven was seen by Jesus Christ. A lot of the warning in Revelation are found in the entirety of the Bible. So Revelation is legitimate.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Akephalos

        "We were just following orders". That excuse didn't go well last time.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If Satan followed orders, things would not be as they are today. The fact of the matter is, that Satan is properly dealt with and thrown into the lake of fire for the simple fact that he refuses to follow orders. Even Jesus straight up calls the Devil the father of lies, and that he was a murderer from the beginning, not holding the truth because there's no truth in him. Satan does things on his own merit, and that's why he is prophesied to be thrown into the lake of fire.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Akephalos

            Satan is still an uncle tom, was an uncle tom and will always be an uncle tom even while 'rebelling'.

            Shit is just wargames.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No idea what uncle tom means, but what I do know is that Satan is acting on his own free will, which is why he will be thrown into the lake of fire. Angels have free will, which is why they will be judged alongside with man.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Planet Earth is a special place created for our body, soul and spirit. We agree to be born here without the knowledge of God for a purpose. God wants us to see if our soul, through free will, is good and fruitful or bad and demonic. Atheists are just going along with the program to not know about God and doing whatever thier hearts desire. Just like Lucifer, now satan, deciding he will do whatever his heart desired, exalted himself as good as God. God did not show mercy to Lucifer and to 1/3 of the Angels, now demons, that followed satan, whom He cast all down to earth first, then the Lake of Fire at Judgement day. God came in the flesh, Jesus if you are not up to speed, so we can be His Brother and Sister so He would be familiar with mankind unlike His Angels and if you can humble yourself towards God and accept the free salvation that He provides in His Son, Jesus Christ, within your heart, God the Father will accept you into His realm (Heaven). If not, then you are as useful as the Demons He sent to the Lake of Fire.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >see Job and Christ in the desert.
      Two stories that contradict each other

      Book of Job: The Devil torments a human being with JHVH's consent
      Christ in the Desert: the Devil is supposedly attacking JHVH through Jesus

      The fact that they are in the same book is embarrassing

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How does it contradict? Do you think Satan is only obliged to work one way? He is the deceiver and tempter. He does whatever is necessary.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >How does it contradict?

          Is the Devil JHVH's buddy or his sworn enemy?
          Why the fuck was Satan allowed in Heaven? Why are humans no longer allowed in the Garden of Eden when Satan can freely visit JHVH and asks "howdy neighbor? Got any loyal followers you want me to shit test"?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Devil currently resides in heaven. The Devil is not buddies with God, God is the highest form of authority in Heaven. Jesus explains why He can't just make Satan disappear in a parable. All things are meant to take their natural course, so that the filter can be properly put to use. God has great plans for humanity, but He is allowing Satan's rebellion to help Him weed out the chaff from the wheat. He is taking what Satan screwed up, and making something good out of it. Making lemonade out of lemons, so to speak.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The Devil currently resides in heaven
              Yeah, I can believe it

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's different levels of Heaven. I don't think you understand what I meant by that. But I'm not going to spoonfeed you on this either. If you wish to know, you'll have to devote yourself to research.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >someone on /x/ says something unusual while refusing to provide evidence of any sort
                Must be a day ending with a -y

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >unusual
                if you take the time to read the Bible, what I said shouldn't seem unusual.

                Planet Earth is a special place created for our body, soul and spirit. We agree to be born here without the knowledge of God for a purpose. God wants us to see if our soul, through free will, is good and fruitful or bad and demonic. Atheists are just going along with the program to not know about God and doing whatever thier hearts desire. Just like Lucifer, now satan, deciding he will do whatever his heart desired, exalted himself as good as God. God did not show mercy to Lucifer and to 1/3 of the Angels, now demons, that followed satan, whom He cast all down to earth first, then the Lake of Fire at Judgement day. God came in the flesh, Jesus if you are not up to speed, so we can be His Brother and Sister so He would be familiar with mankind unlike His Angels and if you can humble yourself towards God and accept the free salvation that He provides in His Son, Jesus Christ, within your heart, God the Father will accept you into His realm (Heaven). If not, then you are as useful as the Demons He sent to the Lake of Fire.

                >we agree to be born here
                that's contrary to what the Bible speaks of.

                what parable would that be?

                I gave gigantic hints in my post. Just read the Gospels.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>we agree to be born here
                >that's contrary to what the Bible speaks of.

                If our soul does not agree to be here in union with God the Father, then there is no love or justice. Wrap your mind around that fact.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What I'm saying is that we don't exist until we are born into this earth. Nowhere in the Bible does it claim that we existed prior to being born. It does however say that we live once, die then will be judged. If we lived with God before, then we wouldn't need to be here anymore, because we would've already proven ourselves worthy. You are trying to twist foreign beliefs into the faith but that's what the Christian faith states.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but that's what the Christian faith states.
                *but that's not what the Christian faith states.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So we come from nothing like the big bang?
                We came from God, a little piece of Him in us. We are like gods....
                My info comes from private revelations while in deep prayer with Jesus and The Father so I don't expect anyone to believe me. We will all know at death.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also, God knew you before you were born, That is in the Bible!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                God is beyond time, and thus knows us for who we are. This doesn't mean we existed before we were born.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We did not come into this world, with knowing God beforehand. This goes against everything spoken of in the Bible and why salvation is needed in the first place. We are created by God, but we do not choose to be born here. That would imply that we knew God already beforehand, but that isn't the case. We are nothing like gods. Your info is faulty, and you should know better than to blindly trust everything that enters your thought process.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong,
                I said, “You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That is specifically in regards to Israel and their position of authority. At that time, there were judges within Israel, and they were likened to gods because they had the authority to judge within their own nation. I strongly suggest you read that entire chapter instead of cherry picking that verse so you will see for yourself how wrong you are in your interpretation of that one.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So we come from nothing like the big bang?
                The big bang comes from vegeta powering up, kid.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >My info comes from private revelations while in deep prayer with Jesus and The Father

                You arent communicating with jesus, you are being decieved by demonic entities.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, because you know everything and I know nothing. I can't wait to see you again upstairs...Nothing is by chance. Enjoy your 1 Life to give.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Watch the video on 2x speed.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I gave gigantic hints in my post. Just read the Gospels.
                look man if you don't know the verse you're referring to, could you just like, say if it was new Testament or old Testament? please?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I do know. I'm just not going to spoonfeed you. Read the Gospels. This goes both ways, if you really wanted to know you'd be reading right now. But given that you expect me to spoonfeed you a verse, goes to show you don't really care about these things. You'll learn far more if you would just take the time to properly educate yourself.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah you're right. I wonder though, would you withhold information that would tell an Adamic white man created by Yahweh as an inheritor of the earth, what his true identity is? being this cryptic, eh, I don't know about that man. I was more of just wondering what your specific reference was, so that I could look at it with Strong's Concordance and an Aramaic Targum/ Septuagint.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What you want to do is argue, which is why you focus on a literalist translation. If you wanted to know, you know where to read it from. If you want to argue, then go elsewhere.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                a literalist translation? lol, uh, I wasn't going to argue with you about a parable that Jesus made, okay. I understand you probably have to deal with a lot of annoyance here but I just wanted the reference, sorry.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Strongs accordance
                Lot's of trolls on this board love to reference this one, completely disregarding the fact that the Bible is compiled of parable, allegory, metaphor and poetry. All I'm saying is that if you really cared, you'd either have known exactly what parable i'm talking about, or would've taken the time to read the Gospels yourself.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Strong's takes the original Paleo Hebrew definitions of the words which have been conveniently mistranslated and conflated. such as, the distinction of Idumeans and Judahites. completely lost in the Rosicrucian KJV, commissioned by a gay King. is that what I'm supposed to trust? that errors so large can be ignored, and that parables and metaphor will magically remain intact, and unmodified? no thanks. you might want to look into that we well as the oldest translation to the Tanakh, the Jerusalem Targum.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Spirit brings discernment, and you shouldn't devote yourself to solely one translation. When I say study, I don't mean it lightly. But I also know that the modern translations provide everything you need to know. I also know that there are a few mistranslations in the KJV that lead people into misunderstanding things about the faith in general. So again, study is crucial. Genuine study.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              what parable would that be?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The parable of the tares obviously.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Book of Job: The Devil torments a human being with JHVH's consent

        Partly right.
        Satan was challenging God's omniscience when he said Job only worships him because he's blessed take it away and he'll stop. Hence why God let satan prove himself wrong on Job. He challenge Gods authority in the Kings hall in front of others in an attempt to undermine God. There's depth to the story beside just a bet. There's the why.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Truth.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Job reacts that way because, unlike you (who did not endure what he endured), he doesn't know the entire story.
          Imagine if he had known God was using him as a pawn to stroke his ego about having unflinchingly loyal servants that will not stop obeying him no matter what, do you think he would have gladly accepted this?
          It's easy to rationalise JHVH's behavior as just and fair, subordinates in a dictatorship engage in very similar behaviour on a regular basis

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tepid and surface level.
            Job never cursed God for what was happening to him.
            Your putting ur own emotions into this.
            Keep them out of the story woman.
            The devil is the one who thought he knew better than God and Job proved God right and the devil wrong.
            Theres a reason Satan/devil is also called the accuser and why he always comes to kill steal, and destroy.
            Its his evil nature.
            Are u Christian?
            Y or N

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He is inference to satan btw

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So, he had God's consent. He said "Yo, God, I bet I can make Job curse your name if I ruin his life." and God said "I'll take that bet, just don't kill him."

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jealousy and pride. He wanted to be seated above God.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He loved God so much he and half of heaven rebelled when God created humans because they could see how depressing and miserable that would turn out for God. Basically an omniscient all-loving God creating a bunch of new pain and misery to feel because of the slim chance some humans will be good. It was more of an attempted intervention than a rebellion really.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a neat and slightly humourous take , as a humie it's understandable, I hate them to. But feel I can't want to wipe them out cause that's big G's project. Not my place, goes against divine law. But my opinion of humans is abysmally low

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did satan have to deceive the whole world? Only a powerful being could do this, it's not like it's something to scorn him or her over. It's because god could only help those who believed in him. Most people or many people are kinda trash. They just live boring lives in the material. Satan fell from heaven to basically catch these people in the sieve, and bring them ultimately along with him as he became a god.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    two possibilities, first is that Satan / Lucifer / The Adversary tried to save humanity on his own by gifting them knowledge of good and evil through the "tree of wisdom" which is said in the book of enoch to grant great wisdom for all you who try and say it just gave adam / eve the ability to think they knew good from evil, the tree gave them great knowledge able to rival that of YHVH. Satan appears to be unaffiliated with the group of angels that decided to take human wives and spread knowledge among early humans of metallurgy, astronomy, and other sciences; however, if he was involved this would be two separate occasions where the adversary tried to save creation on his own from eternal separation from the Elohim / YHVH. Perhaps he truly fell at the beginning of the new testament when god decided to save humanity using a different divine being, finally pissing satan off enough to rebel and be cast out of heaven likely for giving knowledge that would allow escape form eternal separation / damnation without accepting the way YHVH and Yeshua provided.

    Second option is he's controlled opposition or satan is god. As the father of lies what better lie to put out there than suggesting people follow meaningless rules and rituals only to end up in the same afterlife as everyone else ?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wish we could get to the truth, why it is obfuscated so intensely is troublesome , I fear the worst

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    satan or saturn or sabazios or zeus - all the same thing. his child - lucifer "lit one" by gnostic believes is to be jupiter jovepiter or simply jove is the israeli god
    since jesus was child of god he was a semi or demi god, not true - he was a god himself (something modern israelites deny) his mother is istar (venus, isis, cybele) the brightest planet. Together Jupiter Saturn and Venus are the brightest planets. Holy trinity. Reason you're told pagans and astrology are haram/heretic is because if you look to the sky you'll see what gnostics based their beliefs on and it makes sense. Whilst the torah, quran and bible are the same thing just washed to be monotheistic as opposed to polytheistic so that it could divide and pit people against eachother (muslims vs christians, israelites vs muslims etc.)

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Helelbenshakar
    Was the most beautiful angel in all creation till he started wanting something he shouldnt. To take God's throne and be worshipped because he felt he deserved it. Bascically jealously he felt others should share in that to worship to.
    Also he was the 1st psychopath and a extremely convincing liar with his dragon speak.
    To put it in terms ppl can relate look at the kudlaks in Russia when communism came very similar to what Satan felt.
    In short he was is a delusional pre madona that thinks he knows better than a being even he with all his power and knowledge could never completely fathom.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Amen.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    satan was god with a trollface mask

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its all explained in here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wbdjo7xnUg

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ultimately these Judeo-christian tales are just stories about human psychology. Be careful not to take them as factual accounts of past history

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not sure about the blackpill on whether or not Lucifer/Samael/Nachash/ whatever the fuck did it through their own will, if that even exists or not, for some individuals only or everybody, Idk, but one thing is very true, as it appears to be, that Samael fucked Eve and created genetically damned abominations like me, so that even a little drop of his blood will make you impure. fuck, what kind of game is that? bam, you're Cain, and you're fucking evil. nothing can be done. you're just there to be used as a tool, made an example of, and tortured forever, or if he's lucky, he's atomically destroyed or whatever. although, even with that said, I don't understand exactly why he was such an asshole as to kill his own half brother. like, if I had a pure Adamic half brother, my unforgivable crime would be worshipping the ground he walked on, lol. if only

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its just fables, don't read so much into the fiction.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    U:

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You haven’t even read the bible

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Satan's fall was, until recently, only an action predicted to occur in the future.

    The fall took place when God committed 9/11 and Satan called God and his israelite followers out for it but the leftist media brainwashed the US.

    Satan is on our side. We must not let YHWH get away with 9/11. Hail Satan and know the truth.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They forced me to watch as a child , I'm so sorry

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The real reason is that you are all pagans and homosexuals and disgusting human beings. Satan serves God. His job is to entrap stupid homosexuals and keep them out of the upper realms.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Entrap people like you

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hatred of humans, essentially. He wanted to rule the earth to condemn mankind, that's pretty much it.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    god was stifling. god even forgave satan already and gave him the entire universe to play in!

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the Quran states that it's because Satan believed he was better than humanity, and so God said he was going to kick him out of heaven. Then Satan said he'd bring as many people to hell as possible (because Satan, being a heavenly being, can see the unseen/the future), and then God said that he'd only be able to tempt people with his tongue (i.e. words).

    The spiritual Satan can only talk to people. However, supernaturals on this earth are easily influenced by Satan's words because they have the power and willingness to do horrible things in Satan's name.

    But the fact remains- Satan is the way that Satan is because he refused to prostrate to Adam, simply stating that he was BETTER than him, because Adam was made of different materials.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What was the true reason why Satan betrayed God?
    My favorite telling of it is in the Yezidi holy books, this is the headcanon which I subscribe to

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You should stop reading to much into it. "The devil" is a hoax made up by the church to discriminate against other religions at the time.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You will never be israeli

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This guy gets it

      Protestantism is cringe redneck shit

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TL;DR: butthurt over the whole granting souls thing while at the same time feeling pity for its bearers thinking the attached responsibility is impossible to carry.
    TTL;SDR:God made him do it.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God ordered him in order to purge the unworthy

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was god's plan

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HAIL SATAN
    THE ELITE WORSHIP SATAN GOD WILL FAIL

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fuck the elite and fuck satan and god (same dude)

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Legend of Prometheus

    >What was the true reason why Satan betrayed God.
    Love of mankind. 😐 The gods need mortals to suffer, to make themselves smarter.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    (You) are reprieved until (You)r Appointed Time.
    Is the hour not now?

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What was the real reason God created Satan if God was omncient and could see the future and knew his creation would eventualy betray him?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God didn't create Satan, God created the angels before mankind, and the angels have free will. It was the angel who chose to rebel against God that was Satan.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dunno maybe Satan just had enough of Jehovah's bullshit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > How to spot a retard gnostic or brainwashed cultist.
      > They use Jehovah instead of YHWH (Yahweh) or Adonai etc.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where does it say Satan betrayed God?

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Satan betrayed God
    what kind of immature mindset is this?

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll /thread this for you.

    "Satan" isn't intended to be a living entity. Like nearly everything in scripture, it is an allegory.

    The story of creation and the fall is the story of now. The use of the past tense is tricky, but in some cases the original Greek used present tense. The KJV is incredibly subversive that way sometimes. It's the closest to the original meaning, but there are certain "keys" they left out.

    Satan is the "adversary" or opposite of the self, meaning everything which is self-evidently 'outside' you. In this case, "you" are God. The original Aramaic is much more explicit about it.

    In other words: hello, me!

    /thread

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >angels lack free will
    >Satan was an angel
    >Therefore Satan was literally designed to "betray" God
    God's kind a cunt, if you think about it.

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