What was the point when European dominance over the world was assured? 1492? The Scientific Revolution?

What was the point when European dominance over the world was assured?
1492?
The Scientific Revolution?
The Industrial Revolution?

  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    October 1, 331 BC

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13791605/#13795778
      Mods are literally trannies, deleted half the thread.

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    When the Mongols and their decedents fucked everyone in the ass except Western Europe.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      They feared white warriors

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is actually a good take. Mongols fuck up almost all the asian civizilations.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >1492?
    yeah

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Industrial Revolution?
    Correct.
    Before it most of Asia and Africa were wealthier than Europe.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not true. Large parts of them were in fact utter backwaters by western european standards. Some of the areas were richer (in absolute terms, or compared to the area - not necessarily on a per capita basis) but still less developed.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >not necessarily on a per capita basis
        That one stat about per capita incomes in the 1500s is a meme

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yup. Average Chink and Pajeet at that time wasn't richer than his European counterpart.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        1492 was the point of assured Euro dominance, because it made Europe the centre of global trade, rather than an endpoint as it had previously been. As notes, Europe was already one of the wealthiest regions of the world by the end of the 15th century. European technological dominance from this point on would only continue to grow, as would the disparity in wealth between Europe and most of the rest of the world. Euros would have been important, but the discovery of the Americas sealed their dominance

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Africa
      Have you got a single source at all? That's the dumbest thing I've heard today but i'm genuinely curious

      >Asia
      The wealth was more even spread across in Europe. In "asian" (only India and China) the wealth was concentrated around a far smaller portion of society, while everyone else were shit-eating peasants.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Have you got a single source at all?
        No one cites sources (images aren't sources) in this shit board bro

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Still, in this case an image would be good enough. Since i'm not even sure what the outlandish claim is exactly referring to.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >i'm not even sure what the outlandish claim is exactly referring to.
            You are confused, understood. Come back when you understand what wealth and wealth per capita is.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              So you're saying that you believe Africa, a barren continent filled mostly with stone age tribesmen was more wealthy in any way than Europe in the 18th century? I i'm starting to think you might have brain damage

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                18th century strictly speaking? No they were not wealthier as Europe was in the middle of industrializing by then, before it however share of wealth was fairly even. And indeed for most of history share of wealth were either very balanced or in favor of Asia or Africa

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The viewpoint that Africans and Asians were wealthier because they had good which were valuable to europe in abundance ignores the basic premise behind why any form of trade occurs in the first place.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        That doesn't make sense though, having a mudhut over a Gold Ore without knowing how to mine and extract that doesn't make anyone richer, except if someone pays to get that like with the Saudi Oil

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Even if you're paid to mine the good what's more important is how much you're paid to do it.

          Oil is different as demand is so high countries always pay a premium for it, so you will always be paid a handsome amount.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    European (more specifically latin european) societies were more predisposed to technological advancement and entrepreneurship than most others already by the late middle ages. The middle east and east asia both fell behind, though only slowly, and both maintained military capabilities sufficient to not just be conquered, or even be an outright threat in the ottomans case. The americas, africa or australia were never anywhere close in tech level, though they would have resisted a lot harder if they weren't decimated by disease.
    And I can't really explain why india, formally populated and not even that backwards, accepted european rule in the way they did.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Early 18th century. In the 17th century, it was still possible for the old powers like the Ottomans and the Chinese to at least sometimes, situationally compete and even beat Western European countries in struggles for influence generally and on the battlefield in particular. But by the early and definitely the mid 18th century it was becoming increasingly clear that Western Europe's time had come.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    with the invention of the steam engine, i'd think.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Renaissance of the 12th century

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    the reformation and lead up to the 30 years war changing the fabric of european society and fostering that highly competitive nationalist spirt that would dominate innovation for 400+ years
    a lot went on between 1500-1650 if i was going to peg it I down to one event you could make a case for the invention of moveable type printing

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    1453.

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    This discussion always descends into endless extrapolation based on the butterfly effect.

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    By the 1400s, especially by the later part of the century . You could safely say Europeans had better ships, better armour, better weapons, better art, and better means of communication (printing press) , and better mechanisms (widespread mechanical clocks, better lifting machines like Brunelleschi’s or Da Vinci’s etc...) than the rest of the world

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fall of the Song Dynasty prevented an industrial revolution and setting China back a few hundred years.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Something like this. The Ming Dynasty also blew their chance to have their own Age of Exploration.

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What was the point when European dominance over the world was assured?

    The Crusades.

    Europeans reconnected with the ancient world and regained the knowledge lost with the fall of the Roman empire and from that point, would go on to dominate the planet.

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    How could it not be 1492. In what scenario does Europe colonize two entire continents and not surpass eastern civilization

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >How could it not be 1492.

      Like I said, it was the Crusades that started Europeans off on dominating the world and part of this was the desire for foreign spices, which lead to the events o f1492.

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The conquest of Aztec Empire.
    It changed human history, for first time an entire civilization collapsed to the force of a colonialist power, the conquest of America not only openned new routes of conquest and colonization across America for the nation that became the main trans-oceanic power for the next centuries but also gave place to new flavors of Western cultures in a new continent.
    It also inspired new expeditions from Spain and other Western European nations such as Netherlands, Britain, Portugal and France, to find, explore and conquer new lands in Africa, India, Oceania, SEA, etc., while provided them with the confidence on their cultural, religious and military superiority.
    That day, the myth of Non Terrae Plus Ultra was debunked.

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    1492: discovery of America and fall of Granada, by this point Europeans societies had a significant advance and Muslims began to decline

  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    3500 BC

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They take our sons and turn them into little Romans!

  19. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The actual reason is europe and persia were always the strongest regions of the world. Saging this shit thread based on false premises.

  20. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Since Sea Peoples, then Alexander the Great, Roman Empire, Crusades. By the time of The Age of Exploration it became obvious.

  21. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    When Jurchens and Mongols ran a train on Song China and everywhere else that stood any chance
    Then, when the Manchus ran a train on Ming China and mismanaged everything was the final turn.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah that's obviously a fake graph.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        What is that chart supposed to prove, because GDP isn't wholly based on tourism in any of those countries?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm just mocking your idiotic argument.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Im a different anon

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ignore him. He's been spamming his broken data everywhere

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The mods deleted half the thread because all the replies are mentally retarded. They will do it again.

  22. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The great turkish war

  23. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The scientific revolution. It cemented to culture of innovation that to this day most countries fail to replicate. Really only japan managed to cultivate a similar level of innovation

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Really only japan managed to cultivate a similar level of innovation
      Old news
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/11/china-overtakes-the-us-in-scientific-research-output?
      The research was done by the Japanese btw

      >The Japanese NISTP report also found that Chinese research comprised 27.2% of the world’s top 1% most frequently cited papers. The number of citations a research paper receives is a commonly used metric in academia - “citation impact”.

      >The US accounted for 24.9% of the top 1% most highly cited research studies, while UK research was third at 5.5%.

      >China published a yearly average of 407,181 scientific papers, pulling ahead of the US’s 293,434 journal articles and accounting for 23.4% of the world’s research output, the report found.

      >China accounted for a high proportion of research into materials science, chemistry, engineering and mathematics, while US researchers were more prolific in research into clinical medicine, basic life sciences and physics.

      >The “high impact” finding is in keeping with research published earlier this year, which found that China overtook the US in 2019 in the top 1% measure, and passed the European Union in 2015.

      >Papers that receive more citations than 99% of research are “works that are seen as being in the class of Nobel prize winners, the very leading edge of science”, study co-author Dr Caroline Wagner said at the time. “The US has tended to rank China’s work as lower quality. This appears to have changed.”

      >“China has the largest number of researchers in the corporate and university sectors among major countries. In the corporate sector, the United States and China are on par with each other, and both are showing rapid growth.”

      >“China is one of the top countries in the world in terms of both the quantity and quality of scientific papers,” Shinichi Kuroki of the Japan Science and Technology Agency told Nikkei Asia.

  24. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Never. 1400-1900 was just a fluke. World belongs to chinese.

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