What was happening here before the Atlantic slave trade and colonialism? What would have been the coolest and most based places to live or visit when they were free and uncorrupted by white civilization?
What was happening here before the Atlantic slave trade and colonialism?
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Internal slave trades, tribal warfare, cannibalism, etc.
Really!?
Ethiopia is the least violent of the nagger mudhut shithole gang
Do you have a problem with violence you cucked feminized little bitchboy?
In-group/territorial violence is a hallmark of societal decay within a region
>In-group
What makes you say this was the case there? I would have assumed most of their warfare was against other groups but I don't really know.
You've literally never even been in a fight
I literally have. As it turns out, I lost the only one I've been in as an adult, but I wouldn't back away trying again with you.
God this larp is cringe. Yeah fly out to Canada you stupid retard, wowza you're such a tough freaking guy!! Holy freaking shit! Posturing on the internet pretending like you'll fight an anonymous nobody who lives on the other side of the world is so fucking pathetic.
Although, hypothetically speaking, I would fucking choke you to death, you dyel homosexual
>God this larp is cringe.
>Proceeds to out-cringe me x3
Of course it's a leaf.
You're the one pretending you'll get into a fight with an anonymous internet user, as though anyone would take your embarassing posturing seriously
And you're the one getting sand in his vagina and feeling compelled to reply. The butthurt is showing big time.
He says unironically as they go through a multifront civil war.
You seem to be confusing present day with the time period OP is asking about.
>but... but muh time period
It still negate the claim that they are the least violent nagger. The empire period dont really help either.
>empire is violent
What a surprise
Ethiopia is literally a wartorn shithole with rampant rape and murder
If you actually learn about african geopolitics n history, african horner is among the most violent hierarchical african.
And the Ethiopians weren't even real naggers. Dark skin, sure, but they aren't racially negroid, per the old classification system for races
Horners are dark-skinned whites. Literally whiter than most Americans.
Dark skinned Arabs more like
Whiter than you Muhammed.
Cope, Ethiopian as an ethnicity doesn't exist, only the Amhara and Tigray are 51% West Eurasian on average. Everyone else is more Black African than they are West Eurasian, especially the Omotic and Nilotic people who are also native to Ethiopia.
>Everyone else is more Black African than they are West Eurasian
Somalis and other Cushites are like 45%-50% Eurasian so close enough, they cluster with Amharans and Tigrayans
Even among the Cushites, it ranges anywhere from 20 to 50%, which isn't too far off from other admixed groups that we do call black today.
>20
Haven't seen a single Cushite that low. All of them are extremely mixed with the lowest I've seen at 38%. Regardless, I'm not saying they aren't black
You're right, when I went to go check my sources, I saw that it was actually an Omotic population, not a Cushitic one.
>Ethiopia is the least violent of the nagger mudhut shithole gang
This is not true today, or even in the past.
Madagascar might be the least violent, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.
You need to read up on Ranavalona I. A queen so brutal that she managed to reduce the countries population in half.
Most peaceful people are probably the Khoisan or the pygmy peoples.
That bitch was crazy. I remember her.
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They had almost no good farmland and most of sub Saharan Africa, so they struggled to establish large, complex societies because they could never rely on a centralized food source.
Africans usually lived in tribes of their extended family/ethnic group. As a result their culture placed importance on fear, deference to elders, individual bravery, and supporting your family/tribe. Sometimes they would form small kingdoms/pockets of agriculture. They could often move around, lived off the land and fought hundreds of small wars with each other which are now lost to history.
The exception to this were a series of west African empires—Ghana, Mali and Songhai, which grew due to trade in salt and gold. They were successful in their height but were vulnerable to changes in the merchant economy they relied on.
Despite all the corruption and poverty in modern Africa it’s honestly impressive how far they’ve come considering most of them lived in what essentially were Iron Age societies only a century ago.
This fucking little cocksucker right here deserves a lot of blame for the agricultural situation.
Blacks had farms before Germanic whites you ignorant progressive fuck
Lot easier to grow wheat in the temperate plains of Central Europe than in the middle of a rugged jungle. Africans grew crops but they couldn’t do it on the same scale as Europeans did
You know the vast majority of Africa isn't jungle right? Interestingly enough with the exception of the Central African jungle the coastal rainforest in west and central Africa had some of the most dense populations
Most African alternatives to jungle are dry savannah and variations of desert which are just as useless for agriculture.
Having native stock is great, but what matters more is arable land you can actually use. Jungle land isn’t arable usually due to excessive wetness among other issues, and most African savannah is too dry. Certain parts of Africa are arable (parts of Nigeria, Malawi, Kenya, Togo, Uganda), but it’s not enough to achieve civilizations of the same size and complexity which emerged on other continents.
How are grasslands bad for farming beyond no rain? Also agriculture literally began in deserts
You need irrigation
>agriculture literally began in deserts
No, agriculture began alongside massive river systems which were easy to farm.
Central American civilization had agriculture, but just like Africa not nearly with the same ease as Europe. One of the hypotheses for the collapse of the maya is the gross failure of their agriculture systems. Just like Africa central Native American civilization failed to keep pace with development of European civilization.
Europe farming began on fucking Crete that should tell you something
>Europe farming began on fucking Crete
no it didn't you subhuman retard. Stop acting so arrogant when your basic facts are totally bullshit.
they're levantine farmers mixed with some nilotes and bantus
>bantus
Bantu's didn't migrate to the horn
>keep pace with development of European civilization.
European civilization wasn't exactly uniform throughout the continent. The Portuguese were good at naval exploration but their state was pretty poor and heavy poverty was quite common in the metropole compared to other states at the time. It's why despite being one if the first to have a foothold and having a presence for centuries they only had total control of Angola in 1929
>European civilization wasn’t uniform
Yes, but on average it developed and advanced far more quickly than African and Native American civilization, especially after 1300. The Portuguese you mention weren’t rich compared to Europe but they were compared to average Africans trying to survive in a hunter-gatherer world without any sort of technological or intellectual development
It doesn’t matter where farming was first introduced to Europe—once people knew how to do it, it could be spread all over Europe, whereas if you taught an African how to farm it would be almost useless to them 80% of the time due to the African geography they lived in.
>average Africans trying to survive in a hunter-gatherer world
Ever since the West African expansion (which then led into the Bantu expansion) the VAST MAJORITY of Africa lived agriculturalist lives, whether it be growing crops or pastoralism. Hunter-gatherers are less than 0.1% of Africa's population today, and their rapid decline began when Bantu farmers with metal tools and weapons migrated deep into the Central African rainforests, as well as East Africa (besides the Horn) and Southern Africa.
>How are grasslands bad for farming beyond no rain?
Soil. Savannas lack the proper soil for settled agriculture. It can support a single, very small harvest on a plot of land, and then it'll need to rest for a very long time. The food output is low enough that the only thing it's good for is grass, so pastoralism dominated the region.
>Also agriculture literally began in deserts
Black river. Soil was moved along the body of water to fertilize Egypt. If not for that, it'd be nothing.
>Also agriculture literally began in deserts
The levant wasn't a desert at all in 11000 BC. How do you not know this?
Jungle too wet ? The Aztecs figured out agriculture in a fucking marsh. Sub-Saharans just don't have the IQ to build civilization.
Aztecs had alien help, look at the pyramids
Sub-saharan africans didnt, and thats why they were disadvantaged
Wrong comparison. precolonial native in dense jungle Brazil are not as advanced as aztec as well. You probably can compare aztec with west african civilization and Ethiopia tho. They dont really have dense jungle compared to their southern cousin and can form certain amount population density to form civilization
Civilization is all about population density, why would i succumb to some schizo claiming to be god and be forced to make huge tomb for him, while i can run and take refugee into dense congo forest
because of reliable access to food and water, not to mention security?
>You probably can compare aztec with west african civilization
Yeah, and when you do the difference in IQ is obvious
>Sub-Saharans just don't have the IQ to build civilization.
Sub saharan IQ is literally increasing every year. Urban Kenyans have a higher IQ than black americans. How do you explain that?
>Lot easier to grow wheat in the temperate plains of Central Europe than in the middle of a rugged jungle.
Wheat isn't the only crop on the planet.
Sub-Saharan Africa had at least 5 varieties of cereal grain, 4 of which use c4 photosynthesis which makes them better adapted to a warmer climate.
Europe on the other hand, had 0 native cereals and the process of adapting crops from the middle East into the European climate took thousands of years.
There is enough good farmland to support large empires though. I don't think people realise how big africa is. Zimbabwe which used to be the bread basket of Africa and South Africa which also contains a lot of fertile land as well are combined are about the same size as western Europe.
My family used to live in Kenya and the area around mount kenya is super fertile and the British used it to grow lots of cash crops tea, coffee etc but when the british first arrived it was just being used by pastural nomads to graze cattle. So clearly the issue is more complex than a lack of arable land because some of the most fertile and productive regions were not being utilized in the first place.
IMO people put too much emphasis on geographical limitations but the honest truth is that it doesn't answer everything.
africa has always had a lot of farmland, its mostly bc of disease, and low population density overall. most british farm are in south and east africa, relatively far away from disease ridden jungle
>its mostly bc of disease
No, it's access to grains and soil quality.
Trying to grow wheat in SSA Africa was general not effective due to climate. In the areas it did "work" they basically had workers with rock bottom pay to make it work and very heavy state support and favouritism. Generally the crops favoured in Africa are ones that are drought or climate prone or ones that minimize labour or easy to spread.
>Zimbabwe which used to be the bread basket of Africa
https://africacheck.org/fact-checks/blog/analysis-was-zimbabwe-ever-breadbasket-africa
>which also contains a lot of fertile land as well are combined are about the same size as western Europe.
Which only became occupied by people in possession of grains recently
>My family used to live in Kenya and the area around mount kenya is super fertile and the British used it to grow lots of cash crops tea, coffee etc but when the british first arrived it was just being used by pastural nomads to graze cattle.
Pastoralists generally don't have an interest in participating in agriculture to begin with, as it's rough and intensive. Agriculturalists have to have a significant enough presence in the area to outnumber them and force them off the land. Consider England's history with enclosures if you want to understand.
In this case, the land was cleared for a quick harvest, then use in the pastoral systems common to the area, with no concern for fertility.
Mount Kenya's case is not the norm in Non-Bantu lands, and arable land within Bantu regions looks like a patchwork mess.
>it’s honestly impressive how far they’ve come considering most of them lived in what essentially were Iron Age societies only a century ago.
Wow, someone that acknowledges that most of Africa was in the Iron Age.
>What was happening here before the Atlantic slave trade and colonialism?
Wakanda
>What was happening here before the Atlantic slave trade and colonialism?
Nothing. Just throwing spears and chanting ooga-booga.
Iron ahead agriculturalists. Sun Sahara Africa was pretty isolated by geographical factors and develop4d accordingly. On the East Coast you saw the developments of an interesting Mercantile culture but it too unfortunately dominated by slaves.
Everybody was a king
Spayce ships n shieet nigga we wuz astrunots until whitey came and stole our powers
Can someone give me some figures or statistics about the expected wealth transferred from Africa and India to Europe?
I don't think you understand just how apocalyptic the geographic conditions are in the areas you highlighted. Extreme heat, unpredictable rivers which deplete/replete water levels yearly, insects which kill livestock (no useful animals for farming/transportation), and literally one of the biggest barren land masses on earth. There was very little going on because the populations were so low they couldn't sustain a functioning society for long.
People like to despise bantu people, but out all african races they are the only african race who dominate this half of africa thru farming, and metallurgy. They are highly adaptable as well, while other pastoralist african race like cushite, nilotes, semite, berber (except maybe the khoe) fail to expand southward, bantus manage to take cattles and become pastoralist and expand down toward south africa
You're correct, but you shouldn't forget where they acquired iron and farming from: Their West African ancestors.
Depends on the region but most of it was a real life FFA. Think of modern Africa basically but with spears instead of AKs and animal skin as clothes
And no white females to nut in
Before the Atlantic slave trade, Yorubaland was great. Very little warfare, excellent food output, easy agriculture, and low taxes for the common man. Long-distance communication handled via massive drum stations since who-knows-when, large urban population, free and constant access to water, a de facto sewage system for half of the year, and some of the best fashion and accessories in all of Sub-Saharan Africa. (Pluviophile's dreamland)
It's my favorite part of Pre-Colonial Africa, by far.
>interesting reply that isn't arguing about muh dumb violent naggers
Mega based, thank you friend.
>Very little warfare
lol
>human sacrifice bad
Our society today would be a lot less cucked if we still sacrificed people to war gods.
He didn't say there were none.
IIRC, before the Yoruba civil wars began, and before the slave trade took off, many of their worst aspects hadn't appeared. The value of human life was relatively high by comparison, so the common man couldn't afford (or even expect) a slave for his burial. It would mostly be used either as a law enforcement measure, or as part of a royal burial (mostly including servants who would follow their lord into the afterlife and attend to him). Somewhere in the imperial period, it was decided that princes would die with the monarch if he perished prematurely, and (at a separate time) that palace staff weren't required to die with each transition in power. This was used to prevent intrigues within the court, and to retain talent.
Anon you realize he’s just posting shit that Europeans would just say to justify colonialism and unrelated images right
He's focusing on the human sacrifice topic. I'm not going to pretend that wasn't an element of Yoruba culture, but I wanted to clarify its scale.
Interesting time period. I love reading the accounts of the british expedition to Benin city. The whole place seemed so alien and weird.
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Reverend Samuel Johnson humanizes it greatly in his history of the Yorubas.
>What would have been the coolest and most based places to live or visit when they were free and uncorrupted by white civilization?
Swahili coast or the Kingdom of Kongo.
Still seething about Black Panther my God get help. Wakanda existed in Marvel comics for decades before the movie.
Somali coastal towns, nice weather and maritime trade with lower parts of Africa as well as Arabs, Indians etc.
Brainlet take. Grains exist everywhere, they are just grasses that have been domesticated overtime. Africa being the origin of mankind has therefore had manytimes more time for it's people to have developed their own crops and in many places they did: Sorghum and Teff are both a couple of examples of grains that have been grown on the continent for many many thousands of years. They just didn't grow it on a large scale because of cultural reasons involving the prestige of Cattle.
>Pastoralists generally don't have an interest in participating in agriculture to begin with
Bingo. The tribes in the area could have turned to agriculture, developed into cities, progressed technologically and become powerful empires but they didn't want to for cultural reasons. Pastoralists have always been the enemy of civilisation. If you read Mesopotamian history, the pastoral mountain folk would always sack the cities of the fertile crescent, later it would be the steppes cultures invading and pillaging China, Europe etc etc.
Kenya is not the norm because that region was purposely settled by white colonists so that the colonial authorities could make the territory monetarily viable. The white highlands, as they were called were made to be super productive regions because of white colonial intervention in a way that wasn't common elsewhere.
Ethiopia if only because it sounds like a hilarious larp that they justify their Kingdom based on being descended from Solomon.
Literally nothing
The Social Order of Pre-contact Igbo Society
Negro Major – This could either refer to the King Priest or the Judge Priest depending on which Igbo system you are talking about. The King Priest would be the only real political figure in centralized Igbo society, possibly playing the role of “Loyal Patron” or “Grand Manipulator.” In the case of the Awka, the major Igbo tribe who sold slaves, he was probably the latter; with the Nri, a tribe where slaves ran to be free, the former.
Judge Priest – The Judge Priest of decentralized Igbo society was closer to what we would call a judge or priest in our own societies. While he was seen as a man of power, he didn’t hold an executive role.
Negro Concilium – These would be the heads of village families who participated as a council. Not only did their political role make their organization democratic, but throughout the status system, this group was the focal point where things were kept “egalitarian yet complex,” possibly the best way to describe this system.
In order to retain this status, one must have good communication skills, be what we might call “fluent speakers”, and had to maintain discipline in their administrative role.
Negro Plebeian – These would be the various tradesmen who were disciplined in their crafts and developed a hard work ethic.
Negro Minor – Younger members who were fodder for the other roles.
Negro Vulgus – Murderers, thieves, and possibly rapists who broke the laws of their societies. These were actually looked down upon in Black societies that had an active system law enforcement, such as the Ashanti or the Igbo, and the Malians under Ibn Battuta who developed a system of law and order due to a religious culture. However, domestic abuse probably evoked little concern.
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>What was happening here before the Atlantic slave trade and colonialism?
Arab slave trade and colonialism