What philosophy will help me to destroy self-hatred? Stoicism and trying to pursue self-actualization isn't working, it just suppresses the hate only for it to jump up again like a snake from tall grass.
What philosophy will help me to destroy self-hatred?
did you read Epictetus or Marcus?
No, I thought starting with the greeks was a meme/gay psyop? I have no idea who they are, unless by Marcus you mean Aurelius - yes I've read him.
watch these, or read Epictetus.
Marcus is interesting but he's not practically all that helpful. Same is true of nietzche and others, more intellectually stimulating, less actual help.
If you want actual practical philosophy to help with depression, you want Epictetus or the NT of the Bible. Some of the less religious part of St. Augustine may also help.
Epictetus helped me so much man. Still took years to truly cure my depression and anxiety, but there's something about his tough love approach that really helps you snap out of a spiral of self-pity. Like he basically says "if your life sucks so bad then you can just kill yourself, y'know. oh you're afraid to do that? then i guess life must not be so bad after all, stop whining retard"
Glad to hear you made it anon. His writing didn't hit me when I first read it but in the years since then I've found myself remembering lines of his whenever I'm in tough situations. This one comes to mind:
>When any person treats you ill or speaks ill of you, remember that he does this or says this because he thinks that it is his duty... Say on each occasion "It seemed so to him."
That too. When people are mad at you you always gotta stop and consider if they seem like an angry person in general. If so, its like "nice I only have to be around this asshole temporarily, they have to be around themselves 24/7, sucks to be them kek"
Also a lot of the times people aren't necessarily as mad at you as you imagine them to be. He talks about that where its like if you have a dinner party and one of your guests breaks a glass, you wouldn't really give a shit if it was an honest mistake. Therefore when you are the one making honest mistakes, apologize but don't get too bent out of shape about it, because reasonable people won't hold it against you and unreasonable people can go fuck themselves. That shit is huge if you're predisposed to being neurotic
Also I forget whether Epictetus mentions anything like this but questioning the legitimacy of your own emotions is one of the first crucial steps of wisdom
Like just because you're angry doesn't necessarily mean you're right
Just because you're suffering doesn't necessarily mean you have a right to bitch and moan
Women in particular are really bad at learning that
Okay so stop reading pop-anything and go work some manual labour.
I'm not even memeing, you are not the type philosophy will help(it doesn't help most people, don't feel bad).
Also you might wanna consider therapy, but I think you need to grow up somewhat.
Epicurism
Nietzsche
Whitman
Bhagavad Gita
Enjoy small pleasures and tiny accomplishments in the moment.
Just don't read the new testament self-hatred is considered a virtue.
>self hatred is considered a virtue
Not really. Just acknowledges that human beings are sinful (which they are) and the need for salvation of our souls to reach divine perfection.
>human beings are sinful and need to reach divine perfection.
But, isn't "sin" part of what we are? Why feel ashamed and guilt-ridden of what you are, isn't that self-hatred by definition?
It’s not about feeling ashamed or hating yourself. It’s about repenting and seeking forgiveness from a holy God and seeking his help to be better. Read the parable of the prodigal son; Christianity is not about instilling shame into people it’s about total unconditional divine forgiveness.
Nietzsche is a terrible person to read about Christianity from. He attacks a strawman, based on the most simplistic, dogmatic form of the faith. It's like beating up on a high schooler's understanding of Nietzsche or Hegel and claiming you've "debunked it," or whatever popular term you want.
Christianity is about divine union with God. It isn't about feeling bad. It's about embracing your authentic self and what makes us most self-determining and thus free and real.
Saint Athanasius puts it this way: "God became man that man might become God."
In John 17, Christ talks about us "being in Him and He is in the Father." Saint Paul, Saint John, and Saint Peter all talk about "God living in us," "living in God," "Christ in us," being born into the "fullness of God," and achieving the "gnosis of God."
Romans in general, and particularly Romans 7 is about freedom — freedom from being ruled over by disordered desire, instinct, drive, and circumstance. It's freedom to be our authentic selves and seek what is truly good. As Plato points out, men want what is truly good, not just what they currently think is good. To be open to learning is an act of transcendence, going beyond current beliefs and desires. The Logos, reason, Christ, is the unifying power that can order man.
Mystical union with God, the highest good, is what Christianity is all about. Not simply "do x and don't do y in order to get z reward and avoid v punishment " people reduce it to that and it totally misses the point.
NTA
I've been interested in Sufism and I've got an Orthodox Christian background, albeit mainly by association rather than learning on my own too much.
>Christianity is about divine union with God.
Do you see union with God as simply recognition of God?
In other words, there is no need to "act" to make a union, but rather it is about recognition that the union has been there all along.
That's also what makes us feel free.
I've heard a Sufi(?) quote:
"To say I am God is not blasphemy. To say that I am other than God is blasphemy."
Anyway, wondering whether this fits with what you describe by "living in God", "God living in us" and so on.
>Nietzsche
This. Op should read the essay titled Schopenhauer as Educator, it's in Untimely Meditations
Have you tried Mushrooms?
How old are you anon?
28
I used to write a little but it's always cringe looking back at the things I write and I'm horribly afraid someone will find them.
Both shrooms and Ayahuasca are a retreat. The only way to properly resolve emotions and their issues is to encounter them and to face them.
When you sort it out you can use drugs much more freely and find more enjoyment in them, if you want to. Trust me I tried most psychedelics, drugs in general are a crutch that will prevent the healing process, even if it is useful to walk as you are now.
Don't be my bpd ex who "solved all her emotional issues with an Ayahuasca shaman". I know it seems unbearable, but the ONLY way to deal with this shit is sobriety. Unfortunately.
But do you think this is innately true or just true for you? In my own case a few big trips helped me to experience a freer state of mind, i.e. freer from self judgement and outmoded ideas of myself, that made it much easier for me to cultivate that kind of mental state when I was sober. Of course there was also a lot of self reflective work in addition to that, but I still attribute much of my own progress to shrooms.
Hm I actually had more of such an experience on stimulants(speed, coke), rather than LSD and shrooms. However this very thing happening was what got me to try therapy for real, it simply wasn't logical that my brain should need something outside of itself to operate normally.
But both pale in comparison to therapy, and that's definitely not just me. I tend to consider it innately true because... This is tricky. My first response was because of "le science", but I think it has more to do with trust I had to build toward my therapist.
A few big trips can be transformative, in my opinion, in a certain way because they're a new thing for you, outside your comfort zone, you're forcing yourself to do/go through. Not that they're special in and of themselves.
Dunno, I might be biased against hallucinogens in general because I never actually experienced such shifts in perspective(or visual/audio hallucinations etc) while on them, even when taking them with a "control group" of friends. The philosophical breakthroughs and such shit people claim LSD/shrooms bring just go to show most people don't actually have an interest in philosophy, and these substances just make them interested in them short term. Along side a chemical cocktail that makes you feel many of your conclusions are far more profound than they actually are.
Thanks anon, this was Interesting. I agree with you about therapy, or more generally, self reflection. I've definitely known people who had breakthroughs on psychadelics they probably could have come to with just a bit of introspection. And I see what you mean about philosophy, I wonder sometimes why questions about, say, metaphysics, seem inherently urgent to some people and not others. I suspect it has something to do with the solidity of your reality. Socially, economically, etc. Drugs being a good way to intentionally show yourself how malleable and contingent your experience really is.
>What philosophy will help me to destroy self-hatred?
Transgenderism and embracing your real gender identity.
Philosophy can help you relativise the importance that self-hatred seems to have, but it won't remove it. As for how to remove it, the answer is hard work on your emotions, or some other alternative path. Personally? I might try Ayahuasca. We'll see. Not that people who do Ayahuasca automatically resolve their emotional problems, but I am not really sure what else to try so it's one option I am considering.
If you actually want stoicism to work then you have to find your duty, and I am not making a poop joke. Epicurean philosophy is superior in my opinion and most stoics end up becoming Epicurean without even realizing it to a degree. You may honestly like Buddhism more, the burden of hate is especially damaging to hold onto, Buddhism offers some of the most acute arguments for letting go of your burdens that I have read.
I think my problem is my low self-esteem and the retarded things it makes me do, like putting others down and acting insecure when I don't mean to. I also sabotage myself and act rude and cold to women which is probably why I don't have a gf yet despite there being so many females at my workplace.
Maybe I should see a therapist but I'll try Epictetus first.
Jesus, dude you're literally me
What the fuck is that thing she's holding.
It's an eyelash curler, Anon.
Have you considered boring ol' pragmatism?
You should abandon self-hatred because it isn't doing anything useful. If it were capable of helping you change yourself, you would have changed by now. If you intellectually know the change needs to be made, don't bother feeling a particular way about it just DO it.
This book is about swordsmanship, but mostly the right attitude for studying it. You can apply the concepts to most things you would want to be good at though. Observe what works or doesn't. Don't bother regretting or lamenting anything, just accept that it is the case now, and take intelligent action to change it.
Objectivism
You’re retarded.
New Testament
Convert to a branch of Christianity that does communion, preferably Catholicism
why do u hate yourself? what makes you so uniquely terrible? no philosophy will help you overcome it if you don't interrogate the root workings of your mind. you need to stop ruminating and start doing, stop focusing on yourself and focus on what you can do for the world, and your peers. start giving gifts, have picnics, give compliments, join a union, volunteer for a favoured local council member
Scientology is what you are looking for. Read Dianetics
Friedrich Nietzsche and Max Stirner
“It is only because man believes himself to be free—not because he is free—that he experiences remorse and pricks of conscience.” - Nietzsche
“We are perfect altogether; for we are, every moment, all that we can be—and we need never be more!” - Stirner
Your entire existence has been determined by factors entirely outside of your control; free will does not exist, and the notion of moral responsibility is a misunderstanding of reality; none of us has any choice but to do what it is that we have the will and the power to do; we cannot and do not ever choose who and what we are, nor what we want, and any guilt that a person feels for doing something in the past—or self-loathing, existential dread, etc.—is only felt by them because of their not having accepted those aforementioned truths.
Spiritual polarization is the beginning of wisdom. Burn the haystack to find the needle. It's about Self-proximity, not (you)ness in the mirror or your head homunculus
What?
Taoism and Zen.
Philosophy is not self-help any more than physics or mathematics or geology is
Self hatred is defeated by radically accepting yourself. You have to acknowledge every flawed and pathetic and contradicting part of you and be perfectly okay with all of them, and then you grow and improve yourself from there.
self loating self-deprecation and degradation are very common, prevalent amongst chinese community, for we grew up in a super high stress enviorment, school starting at the age of six, begins with 8 hour eventurally middle school 15-18 hour daily schedule 5 to 6 days a week, parents yell at you, teacher super strict, classmates often are just as frustrated as you are, kept getting more stressful no ends in sight, anger aim inwards makes depression, try start with discover love for life
The meaning of life can be found
in constructive pain and pleasure.
with the intuition: that life is worth living
recalls the warm&loving childhood to pass love forward
sometimes being around a tiny living thing reawakes that love, for example, the first time your cat trusts you with it's life and gives you hugs.
so basically a new embodiment, meaning action defines behavior defines habits defines personality, meaning with a healthy mind and body you can decide what ideology to embody.
With the idea that people can only be one thing at a time such that all their actions aim towards that one thing, so tell me who you are by figuring out if you can just do one thing.
Write stuff down. Read whatever you want, but write about it while you do it.
Write more, write a diary. Write, write, write. Writing is words, words are thoughts, thoughts are what you want to develop ultimately: write about you, your thoughts about things, feelings, media, whatever.
Want to have more meaning in your life? Build better meaning. Write.
Nietzsche
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dokk%C5%8Dd%C5%8D
6. Do not regret what you have done.
9. Resentment and complaint are appropriate neither for oneself nor others.
Start mindful meditation, it’s pretty much a godsend for those of us who have to deal with overwhelming passion accrued over the years. Don't aim to completely extinguish your passions, but to become aware of them and dull them a bit. I think negative emotions can contribute to self improvement and ambition if you have that in you, but it’s not very good when it’s too self-inflicting and you have a hard time managing it. You’ll eventually get to a point where you can feel it well before it spreads and takes over, and thus you can manage it and use it at will. Sometimes those feelings can make you indestructible or at the least incredibly brave.
Christianity is the final red pill, OP. That you are so inclined to think it otherwise should’ve been your first clue that it is the case.
The answer is Kierkegaard, it's always been Kierkegaard.
Never buy wholesale into a philosophical movement or single philosopher. Read widely and take to heart what strikes a chord with you. Living is more important that a philosophical system, and life is vast and complex. Certain times and certain circumstances will be better for one philosophy and another time another philosophy. Read philosophers that focused on living and spirituality, not autistic thinking
Anon, when has asking for philosophy actually helped you?
Try a PhD in physics rather than one in sucking your own cock. Find and max out your autism power.
the love of women is the root of all uh
so I was born once
unironically the thought of serving god makes me more happy. i get hard on myself. focus to much on myself.
if you focus more on the greater good. you will just get lost in the sauce of life.
practice gratitude helps too.
>this meal thats on the table. think of all the hard work it took to get here.
>people had to process it.
>for them to do this they had to get up.
>go through their own struggles
>take a shower
>get dressed
>feed their kids
>drive through work
>deal with their dick head boss.
not only that
>the food itself had to be grown
>harsh weather
>taking in sun
>taking in water
>battling the winds
and so on it goes.
the more you see into how much everything means. it will remind you that things are more important than you may give credit for. even things that
think about how many footsteps I have taken in my life.
all the people ive met, breaths ive taken, words ive spoke. just to show up in this thread here today to tell you this. there is more to life than dwelling. you just dont have a match to light your candle. but i do today.
Philosophy of going to a therapist
Fucking owned lol xD