What made Ireland so irrelevant?

What made Ireland so irrelevant?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They never adopted English or French customs and so could not compete in the modern medieval world.
    Scotland failed against every Norwegian and English invasion that happened until the 1100s because the Celtic government and society could not compete. It wasn't until Scotland adopted English and French customs under Malcolm III and David I that it became a more prosperous country that was able to interact on the international stage.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They have a string of victories against Norse and Saxons how is that failure?

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Irrelevant? The Irish literally civilized the illiterate English founding monasteries and writing the first manuscripts there, moron. Not only that, they founded many monasteries in the mainland too in France and as far as Italy, they were the light of civilization during the Dark Ages.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly. Ireland's relevance is 200 years of wandering England and Germany founding monasteries. After and before that they were irrelevant.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >The Irish literally civilized the illiterate English founding monasteries and writing the first manuscripts there, moron.
      Eh, not insignificant but I always felt like that argument was founded a bit too strongly in Irish nationalists trying to counter the English stereotyping their people as uncivilised. Certainly can be credited for initiating the Christianisation of the Anglo-Saxons, but that probably would’ve happened anyway due the resurgence of Catholic Christianity in the nearby Frankish realm and exposure to missionaries from there. Not to mention, that at least some Christian Romano-British populations likely still existed in the western English states like Wessex and Mercia. It’s not good to base your claim to significance on teaching your more historically important neighbour to read and write, so they would later go on to kick your ass. It reminds me of the Hoteps/US black nationalists saying shit like, WHITEY WUZ IN DA CAVES, BEFORE WE KANGZ TAUGHT THEM CIVILISATION. Like OK, but you’re saying you had a head a start on wypipo and they still eventually buck broke you, made you glorified farm equipment for 200 years, and conquered your continent for lulz.

      In any case, Ireland’s problem was that like the Welsh, they never formed an even semi-centralised Kingdom like the English and Scots did by the eleventh century, and so eventually began to be preyed upon by foreign conquerors like the Norse and later Anglo-Normans.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >In any case, Ireland’s problem was that like the Welsh, they never formed an even semi-centralised Kingdom like the English and Scots did by the eleventh century, and so eventually began to be preyed upon by foreign conquerors like the Norse and later Anglo-Normans.

        The Irish would have centralized were it not for the Norman invasion but the fact they weren't centralized helped them hold out and not be conquered by the Normans. Centralized England fell in a day and the Scots invited the Normans in but decentralized Ireland held out till the 9 years war in the 1600s nearly 500 years after the Normans landed in Ireland. 800 years of British occupation is a meme too and most parts of Ireland were under Irish control until the Irish defeat in the 9 years war in 1610

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >not only seething, but a seething liar
      lmao

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You? Yes you are

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          haha keep seething yankee :^)

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    USA is the new Ireland

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's more distant from the continent compared to Great Britain.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    ireland is british's belarus

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    In CK2 I turned Ireland into a fortress of Shia Islam and became king of the world so frick your "irrelevant"

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >ore numerous, wealthy and advanced english was the only possible outcome.
    Scotland was never conquered by England.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Keep telling yourself that.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      see pic related

      Keep telling yourself that.

      a civil war doesn't count.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    your post

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    We have the worlds most cunning fish

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Catholicism

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I sure hope this is bait, otherwise you are some mega moronic Black person

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Damn this board is ridiculous. Every damn ireland thread there's some anglo gloating at the irish famine and spouting rank racism at them, and they don't ever fricking get deleted. I attempt a realistic and balanced explanation why ireland suffered under english rule and it gets fricking deleted. Yeah you damned jannieBlack folk, ireland was backwards, ireland was inferior in many metrics, ireland suffered under the english in turn. At no point did I justify that. You can fricking suck my ass, I'm done with this shithole of a board.

      And you are so dumb you think "bait" and "moron" make up for lack of any arguments. Truly, you belong on this board. Have fun.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Jannies suck, they leave all sorts of garbage threads up, there are a billion German hate troll posts every day.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Poor soil and weather for agriculture, poor geography for engaging in European affairs in any meaningful way.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Isolation and limited resources

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    prolly GarryOwen mate

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Isolated from Europe

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ireland is at the literal end of the (old) world and has neither rare/expensive resources to exploit nor the climate for being a breadbasket. This effectively isolated them from the world trade network through all of Antiquity, the Middle Ages, and the first chunk of the Modern Period. Why would a trader/merchant go all the way to the Atlantic, go to Britain, then instead of selling there keep going to another even further island with that has nothing of value to trade back to you that safer and closer places don’t? It wasn't until globalization that Ireland ever really had a chance, and most of that time was spent recovering from the English looting the country for the past few centuries.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They aren’t.
    They have massive diaspora and are highly influential despite small numbers.

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