What leads to sadism usurping justice?

By this, I mean to ask why when bad people like dictators suffer a brutal death (Gaddafi for example) people seem to take a perverse glee in it. Similar shit with celebrating war crimes or torturing prisoners. Why are people so prone to celebrating needless cruelty? Even if someone has to be killed, why not just shoot their brain and get it done with?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They are looking for a resolution that's not there

    you don't end human greed, you just mitigate it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      So what can people do to prevent the sadism that pops up from lack of resolution from occurring within themselves? What can I do to prevent myself from being cruel?

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Even if someone has to be killed, why not just shoot their brain and get it done with?
    An ordinary murderer kills like one or two people, so it's a fair punishment to simply take their life in a neutral, painless way.

    But someone like Gaddafi was responsible for thousands of deaths, and hundreds of thousands of people being subjected to all sorts of miserable oppression. A simple execution wouldn't have been enough to exact a punishment proportional to his crime, because he had but one life to lose. Rather, people like this must die in an exceptionally brutal way in order for their single death to be made awful enough that justice can be served relative to the gravity of their crimes.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That’s moronic, torturing a mass murderer or dictator isn’t actually gonna solve anything that just shooting them wouldn’t. It won’t bring back any people killed, it won’t help any refugees or people struggling financially.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Might deter future offenders.

        https://i.imgur.com/rLbGBdc.jpg

        By this, I mean to ask why when bad people like dictators suffer a brutal death (Gaddafi for example) people seem to take a perverse glee in it. Similar shit with celebrating war crimes or torturing prisoners. Why are people so prone to celebrating needless cruelty? Even if someone has to be killed, why not just shoot their brain and get it done with?

        Humans have evolved to enjoy seeing bad people in pain.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What does that have anything to do with it?

        The purpose of punishment is to convince society at large that justice has been served, so that people continue to abide by the social contract. It has nothing to do with rendering any specific material benefit.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I generally interpret punishment as more-so being there to prevent that person from doing whatever they’re being punished for, but I suppose an element of “Don’t do this, or something really bad will happen” can be a useful deterrence. Still, after a point, it’s just cruelty for its own sake.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Still, after a point, it’s just cruelty for its own sake.
            Exactly. What I'm suggesting is a third alternative to the two versions of punishment you're describing.

            It's not just about removing a dangerous person, or deterring other people from doing similar bad things. Rather, it's about establishing a generalized sense that justice has been done, so that the people as a whole believe that they live in a just society. The criminal himself merely becomes a prop in a sort of broader morality play.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Is it okay to use a person as a prop, simply ignoring their well-being or agency? I waver against such actions, personally. Just doesn’t sit right. Men are men, not tools to be used by men.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I generally interpret punishment as more-so being there to prevent that person from doing whatever they’re being punished for

            Because you've been brainwashed by stupid modernist takes
            Revenge has always been the main purpose of justice and is what huma beings strive for when wronged
            The whole purpose of centralizing justice under the authority of the state was to have a neutral and widely recognized entity avenge the victims in their stead to avoid the chaos of personal vendettas

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Are you a robot? Do you have autism?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, I am autistic, but I fail to see the relevance of that.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Based autists dabbing on neurotypicals with superior moral views.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I just don’t like unnecessary suffering.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          BTW, how are you and seemingly everyone else I discuss ethics and morality with able to tell that I am autistic? Is it my inability to get motivations which I can not relate to?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If someone murders your mother in front of you, the thought process isn't a cold, logical "what is the most ethical and constructive outcome for us as a species?". You're full of grief, shock, rage, confusion, hatred, and the whole spectrum of emotion blinding your senses. You probably end up screaming and crying as you crush their head, or paralyzed with shock.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Sure, one can forgive a momentary abandonment of reason, but we should strive as a species to at least craft our laws around justice above all else.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's nice but also has nothing to do in the slightest with the OP

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Punishing criminals is for the greater good, even deterrence aside. It is an inherent good, like letting an orphanage visit the zoo free of charge.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Why is it inherently good outside of deterrence, compensating victims, and prevention?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Punishment is a mutually brutalising necessary evil

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >An ordinary murderer kills like one or two people, so it's a fair punishment to simply take their life in a neutral, painless way

      Only if said murderer killed hios victims in a neutral, painless way

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    all sin and thus all evil is indulgence, nothing more or less. to see people you perceive as enemies or prey driven before you and tormented can be pleasureful, and sinful people indulge in that pleasure. its no different than indulgence in homosexualry, gluttony, etc. its all the same.

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