What is the ugliest sounding language in history?
What is the ugliest sounding language in history?
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english
a mongrelized mixture of Romance/assorted European languages.
if your country speaks English predominantly, it is already culturally and ethnically MUTTIFIED beyond repair
lmao. stay mad your faggy country got cucked to hell and back
It's a mongrel of a language, but it's not an ugly sounding language.
Stay mad ESL, still gotta speak English if you want anyone who matters to understand you.
>says this in English
Writes. Written English is actually good, its phonetics is bad, though second to Chinese.
That’s why English has become the perfect globohomo religion in our age. It represent our modern world.
Brazilian Portuguese
Brazilian Portuguese sounds good or can sound good
Portuguese from Portugal, in which S doesn't exist and is instead pronounced as SH, is a very harsh Slavic sounding language
Brazilian Portuguse sounds more like a Romance language
stop posting bad brazilian music
Both are terrible
>Portuguese from Portugal, in which S doesn't exist and is instead pronounced as SH, is a very harsh Slavic sounding language
Glad to see I am not the only one noticing this
I always thought that Brazilian Portugeuse sounded like a combination of Spanish and Russian.
>That Charlie Brown Jr cover
Damn, haven't heard that song since I left Brazil 10+ years ago. Instant nostalgia man.
>t. Butthurt Miguel who can't admit that Eurotuguese sounds like some Slavic abomination
nah man I like bossa nova it sounds way cooler than jazz
Portuguese is just an ugly language in general.
It's aright
oinkrainian sounds ugly asf
arabic or chinese or any south american dialect
I never liked the fucking click-shit
Probably Chinese, but I also really hate how French sounds and don't know how people consider it one of the more beautiful languages.
I wouldn't call French ugly, just really fucking gay.
This
Tonal languages sound absolutely awful
i think cantonese is one of the coolest sounding languages.
granted i just know it from hong kong movies but still
Never got into kungfu shit, what's the appeal?
john wick-esque fast paced gun and hand to hand battles along with slapstick action comedy.
Not really my cup of tea, but when Hong Kong cinema became popular, it was largely because China was a subject of fascination and curiosity from the outside world because this huge Chinese chunk of the world’s population been so isolated due to communism for so long.
I agree, Cantonese is kino
Specifically Mandarin Chinese is terrible in particular, I find every other variety to be much softer on the ears. Naturally that's the most common one, fucking hell.
french depends heavily upon who is speaking it and how
cute girls are great in it and so are really deep-voiced dudes but hearing the average person isn't great
I think mandarin Chinese sounds beautiful tbqh
Shir shir
French in singing form is really nice. It also depends on how the person speaks it
There are so many cool things about Chinese history and culture but their spoken language makes me want to cover my ears. Sorry guys.
Have to agree. Chinese sounds horrible.
Probably the sandpeople languages tbh. Too many guttural sounds, especially Somali sounds horrible for this exact reason.
This is the right answer. Somali is án abomination of a language
Written Somali is also same to African languages as Dutch is to European languages, looks like a total meme version of the languages around it.
>Chinese is just awful
>I absolutely can’t stand the general intonation of slavic languages when they are spoken by women, for some reason they’re not that horrible when spoken by men
>Arabic can be beautiful in written worm, but when spoken, it sounds like the speaker is choking on pleghm
Chinese is pretty bad. The inflection/intonation or whatever seems off.
Slavic languages never bothered me.
Arabic is actually a cool language when you start to understand it.
I absolutely can’t stand the general intonation of slavic languages when they are spoken by women, for some reason they’re not that horrible when spoken by men
Really? Russian women reciting poetry or some sort of dictation is incredibly beautiful, they have this gorgeous sort of sing song melodic rhythm, it sounds lofty and elegant. When I get better at the language I will have to ask them about if they have names for it and start gathering examples.
>>I absolutely can’t stand the general intonation of slavic languages when they are spoken by women
Wtf are you on about, lol? Language is language whether spoken by men or women. There is nothing wrong with Slavic langauges, they are all beautiful.
>Arabic can be beautiful in written worm, but when spoken, it sounds like the speaker is choking on pleghm
classical arabic sounds nice modern dialects are cancer to the throats
Yeah the East/Southeast Asian tonal languages are pretty unappealing to me. African tonal languages can sound nice, however.
Tonal?
Having tones; like, in Chinese, every syllable is assigned one of a few tones, which determines the pitch of that syllable.
Cantonese, Vietnamese and Mandarin are the big three.
Cantonese sounds so similar to Vietnamese, and yet so far.
>Cantonese sounds so similar to Vietnamese
Long legacy of Han colonialism.
If you say "han" with a rising tone it means Korean, if you say "han" with a determined tone it means Chinese.
See this video, it's obviously in Chinese, but when she says "hanfu" and "hanfu" she's saying two different words.
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The Korean version is sort of asked like a question "han? fu", the chinese one puts emphasis on the second part "hAN fu"
A lot of people like to use the ma ma ma ma example, but you'd never actually say "the horse scolds my mother", this is an actual real world example and as you can see there's no self-aware acknowledgement of how similar they sound, in tonal languages these sounds are perceived as completely different but if you don't speak a tonal language these are pretty much identical.
>A lot of people like to use the ma ma ma ma example
What's that poem about the lion? Shi shi shi shi shi etc.
Here we go:
It's a pretty contrived example since it's written in Classical Chinese and read in Mandarin readings. If you pronounce it in actual reconstructed pronunciation, it's not ambiguous, and if you translate it into actual Mandarin it's not ambiguous either.
you know how when you ask a question the tone is different from making a statement? in chinese every syllable can be a different word based upon the tone.
It only sounds retarded from an English perspective. Everyone else recognizes that Dutch is a pure western Germanic language and that English is the retarded mongrelized sounding language.
its Afrikaans not dutch btw
no but it's so close it's more of a dialect that got recognised as its own language becaue of reasons
dutch was still an official language in SA untill the 60's or 70's
>Everyone else
Everyone else agrees that Dutch sounds fucking horrible lol, don't even try to pretend otherwise. The throat rape sounds involved and shit like "kook oor log a Schjivecbeingen Vrouw" just sounds absurd to anyone who doesn't speak it as a native
I like the sound of Dutch. The intonations with which it's spoken always makes it sound so happy.
We have the same throat rape noises in some English dialects, so they don't bother me.
Dude afrikaans and dutch sound like the devil's language, all my friends agree on this
>and that English is the retarded mongrelized sounding language.
No, it's not you dumb fuck. It's the perfect tool for information exchange.
English is not "perfect" in any way. The only reason it's popular is that it's literally a creole language which makes it relatively easy to learn.
That's a controversial theory at best.
Arabic/semitic languages in general
arabic
it's not just ugly, it's also inherently aggressive and when you hear it you instinctively feel in danger
>t. 4 tours in iraq
not to mention their women are ninjas
Because you are where you dont belong, fuck off kelb ibn kelb, your mom is a charmouta
>arabic ... when you hear it you instinctively feel in danger
kek
>t. Never made homies with the gas station haji
They're actually based if you give them a chance anon. Remember at least half of them were on our side
Xhosa
I think it sounds cool honestly, like I legitametely find it pleasing to the ear, but how the fuck would you even start learning all the clicks etc. is beyond me.
Whatever Vietnamese and Filipino people speak
Thai
>CTRL+F
>"Thai"
>this result
Correct
One day the local Thai family came into my store; I heard them before I saw them, and I swore I heard a bunch of mongoloids (the other kind) mimicking how they thought Chinese people sounded. It must have been like how Dutch people sound to Germans.
This is the answer, cool culture, chill people, cool history, great food, horrific, shitstain of a language.
Chinkspeak
Hebrew is a pretty ugly language. Yoddish is the funniest language
*Yiddish
Korean
Vietnamese
Those clicking languages from africa
French. Sounds like a retarded lisp language
Tagalog
Portugese by far
Dutch, ugliest and worst sounding.
Are there any pretty sounding languages. French is already written off as gay.
I like Romanian, it's like a French-Italian mix, with a little Slavic, but not enough to ruin it
German.
My ancestors met these "people" and tried talking to them. All they got in response was a whole bunch of bestial gurgling so they named the germans "the mutes/the ones unable to speak".
>slavs daring to talk shit about anyone's language
Both you and germanic speakers sound like you got pain in your mouth
>What is the ugliest sounding language in history?
Really any Chinese. Cantonese, Mandarin, they both sound so hideous, abrasive, clunky, and generally awful. I can't even listen to any of their music. I find it difficult even putting it into words because I disassociate from the noise, but it almost sounds like they speak as if their mouth if full of cotton balls and every other word has "shr" in it.
I think most other languages are fine.
I see people complaining about Arabic languages, but they can sound pretty romantic when they're not being spoken by some illiterate sunburnt heathen.
>I see people complaining about Arabic languages, but they can sound pretty romantic when they're not being spoken by some illiterate sunburnt heathen.
On the contrary. Educated people tend to heavily emphasize the consonants and make it sound ugly.
Because educated speakers' speech is closer to fus7a and fus7a pronunciation is harsher. In modern dialects, especially Middle-Eastern ones, the pronunciation has changed and became softer.
Mandarin
Vietnamese sounds like dying cats fucking
And when Viets speak English it sounds like someone who has had their tongue and all their teeth removed
Tagalog is a language where the second you hear someone speaking it, you know nothing of any value is being said. It's a retard language.
A racists language
>Every language
Be more specific
Tagalog/any south asian languages
Like everything else bad, the answer is Chinese.
not a fan of most dialects of chinese, that tonal shit is just nonsense to my ears
now what's the most beautiful language? off the top of my head I'd say italian and welsh are great
Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, French
They're cliche answers but I think for a reason.
I thought that French sounded stupid until I learned it and now consider it the superior Romance Language. It has such a complex phonology compared to the other major ones that it makes it especially interesting to listen to.
>half the letters in any given word are silent
>superior Romance Language
Needlessly complex orthography is a good thing. Makes it easier to spot simpletons.
It's a step down from Classical Latin in every way.
I said phonology not orthography you blind cretin. And like the other anon said it just filters out midwits.
>complex phonology
>no sound difference between singulars and plurals at all
lol
>Ignores "compared to the other major ones"
>Thinks tacking an S sound to the end of a word changes phonological complexity if the sound already exists in the language
>Doesn't know that it's pronounced regardless of followed by a vowel
I accept your admission to being a total idiot.
>it's more complex than the frankenstein's monster of english
>this is an achievement to be celebrated
I never mentioned Enlgish in my post, you're not just an idiot but an obsessed one too.
>he said in English
>missing the point
French and Portuguese sound atrocious, and I say this as a native speaker of Portuguese.
Portuguese sounds Slavic (Euro) or like moaning (Brazil). French sounds like phlegm in your throat.
French, Japanese, Italian
Castillan Spanish is the language of God, I've never really been that big a fan of Italian. Yeah it sounds nice, but French and Japanese mog it pretty hard, so does Castillan.
Castillan makes me want to throw up sorry
>Castillan Spanish is the language of God
Yeah no, sorry. Spanish has the same problem as Portuguese: the Euro version is way uglier than the New World one. At least than the Mexican pronunciation, dunno about the rest of their former colonies.
At least to me, the distinction between S and C/Z lends it a touch of class. Hearing 'casa' and 'caza' as homophones feels slightly weird.
Ok, understandable. To me, this θ-sound sounds weird, like it doesn't belong in a Romance language.
I don’t know about Portuguese but I have to disagree, the way the accent rolls into other words and how they kind of hold the vowels in the mouth is much more attractive to me, and I’ve heard a lot of Mexicans speak Spanish in my life.
I really like the sound of Italian. For historic languages, Old English was a beautiful language.
classical Arabic
romance languages are gay as fuck
Hindi sounds ugly as fuck. Definitely the most retarded of all the Indo-European languages.
>Hitler dood
Sounds like a cool guy.
Polish
actual real life Parseltongue with all the hissy consonant clusters and the robotic way they stress words
T. russoid
French, followed by Spanish
Urdu, then Indonesian, then Chinese, then Arabic
Okay LULZ, now tell me the most beautiful sounding language.
Scottish when spoken by women.
I've always thought it was the superior celtic accent as well.
Lower Sorbian
Gothic
english (england)
I hate swedish, dutch, english spoken by poles, chinese, and all arabic languages. Chinese sounds really stop and start and every word is either chang, huang or shuo. Polish people speaking english sound like annoying retarded israelites. Swedish is just disguting, and so is dutch. I also dislike russian, its' speakers sound like they're going to start crying.
I like serbian and romanian. They sound like russian, but less whiny and more sober. I also like german, when not spoken by autistic loud impersonators. I like english spoken by irish women, it makes me fall in love with them.
>Chinese sounds really stop and start and every word is either chang, huang or shuo
You forgot "shur". I swear to God half the sounds in the Chinese Language are some variant of "shur"
>I also like german, when not spoken by autistic loud impersonators
My ex girlfriend was German, and it was always a pleasure to listen to her talking on the phone parents. German lends itself so well for loud talking, but it can sound so sweet if the consonants aren't emphasized
I too never cared for Dutch, but what the fuck is wrong with Swedish?
Italian is normie tier, but it's always chosen for good reason.
Russian when spoken by a woman
Finnish
italian
Coptic
>sasf
Oh yeah, fucking beautiful.
Bengali the Pope spoken in India and not of Bangladesh . It sounds sweet.
A lying tongue.
I feel like French is the most controversial language regarding how it sounds. It seems like people either love it or hate it, and that people who learn seem to grow to love it. There are even some posters ITT saying as much.
I'm glad that German seems to be losing meme status as worst though, even as a kid I thought it was way over-exaggerated how bad it sounds. It's not even the worst Germanic language for fuck's sake, Dutch is AIDS.
I concur.
https://voca.ro/1ggzrGwVOu8F
My theory is that most Americans only know German from WW2 movies where it's the language of the enemy and is inherently aggressive and dangerous. Now that enough time has passed and judged on it's own merits it's a nice enough sounding language when not screamed into your ear.
Xong (northern Hmong)
do not want.
why don't horror movies just hire one of these fuckers
People are saying Japanese is beautiful, and I agree in music and anime (maybe movies too), but the way real people speak Japanese can sound pretty awful. Like go watch street interviews from Japan.
Japan developed an Elder God-tier theatrical register that mogs nearly every other language, but yeah I think it sounds really mundane in regular conversation.
This nips sound based when they're being epic or femanine but besides that they found like morons
That high pitched girly teenage voice that they do to be cute is legitimately awful, but I don't know anything about Japan and if they do it outside of cringe anime clips
They do up until like 25-26. After that the girls pretty much drop it completely and just speak normally which is pretty sexy to me because they have a naturally low register compared to girls in some other languages.
If you like anime then Satsuki in Kill la Kill is kind of how Jap women over 30 sound a lot of the time, not the theatrical style of speech but more of the vocal range.
I've always been surprised how low in the register Japs speak naturally. Then you hear them try and say a bunch of words in English and they just go up an octave.
I don't know if you speak Japanese but honestly something about it makes you naturally speak with a deeper voice. I have no clue as to what it might be caused by but I'm serious it's physically easier to slip into a deeper register when speaking Japanese than English for some reason.
Strangely both high octaves and low octaves feel completely natural, doing the anime voice and the yakuza voice just fall out of the mouth, but trying to keep a neutral/english speaking tone is physically painful, it's like it's exactly between what is comfortable.
>I have no clue as to what it might be caused by
Their "e"'s and "o"'s are mid vowels, which make them sound heavier
Yeah, watching something like Shoplifters, almost all the women have quite deep voices.
Its attractive for sure.
>Eeeeeee... Sugou tbh ne?
Why the fuck do they do that
Agree 100%. Japanese in anime and music sounds like perhaps the best language on earth. In my opinion the simplicity of Japanese lends to its beauty in those media where they speak slowly and theatrically. Irl nip is just fast-spoken nonsense and with obnoxious abbreviations with swallowing of syllables because Japanese sentences have an awful information density per individual syllable.
>Like go watch street interviews from Japan.
NOPE. Those can be bad, but please watch one of Shinzo Abe's speeches. It's absolutely horrendous. People say Chinese is blocky and stop-and-start disjointed, but anything formally spoken in irl nip is 10x worse. https://youtu.be/F2Qg5NnuljQ
Here's how I'd put it.
>Watashi WA - [chinese disyllabic compound word]/sekinin WO - tantou itashimasu. Kore deWA - nippon NO - mirai WA - hozonsareteimasu.
In a less formal context all those syllables would probably just be swallowed to some extent.
I would even conjecture that the main reason Chinese has such a bad rep is because they have ZERO cultural soft power worldwide. People only hear ugly mundane Chinese. Their voice actors for anime shit can sound quite similar to Japanese ones.
>would even conjecture that the main reason Chinese has such a bad rep is because they have ZERO cultural soft power worldwide.
It always astounds me how China has fucked it up when it comes to using their culture for soft power.
Kung Fu movies were the shit, but now nobody cares for them anymore. It's the mother of East Asian civilizations and they get mogged by fucking Wa Island.
Doesn't help that the Chinese Government picks the worst diplomatic fights for no fucking reason, e.g. their chimpout on Sweden 2 years back
China's government is pants-on-head retarded when it comes to promoting soft power and sort of actively ruins its potential by forcing everything to be approved by them and cracking down on things they don't like. Fucking India has more soft power than China.
tbh I'd go so far as to say that Nigeria has more soft power than China, because at least Africa like their stuff. I can't think of a single other country that consumes large amounts of Chinese media but China itself.
Taiwan and Singapore?
Both consume their own media and pretty much nothing produced on the mainland. Fuck they consume more Japanese media than Chinese.
They produce plenty of Hong Kong films if I'm not mistaken
They did anon.
They did...
So now that Hong Kong is more firmly in line with the CCP their entire film industry has gone to shit?
Yes actually, foreign investors have pulled out and a lot of films are having their projects "re-evaluated" right now.
How the fuck is Taiwan not a soft power pop culture exporter?
>first world east asian country
they should be japan/south korea/hong kong tier
>Taiwan
>First world
As someone who has been, it's a glorified phillipines.
I can understand Japanese pop culture media almost 100%, but none of this. I just heard:
>saisho huiteiru sore iu hantai oita kare ga de ittai riyu kangai toittaBOOM
>but the way real people speak Japanese can sound pretty awful.
Kansai dialect is very cute tbh.
How the commoners speak is outright vandalism. It's the best sounding language if used well.
Irl Japanese isn't spoken by voice actors, that's why.
The Texan twang sounds lovely in movies, for example, but irl? No.
Ugliest sounding is slang/colloquial Tamil and the best sounding is either Arabic or proper Tamil
Tagalog
Turkish, by far
Uglugluggugg feruogluglouoglu
Mandarin sounds monotone and boring, but i think it's harmonious, even if a bit too much sing-songy. Arabic is harsh, but in a beatiful way, like a desert sunset. It truly shows its grammar was formed around Islam, when you hear the Koran read in classical arabic it sounds beatiful and trascendent.
Now turkish, and most agglutinating languages, sounds retarded. Where does the word end? Where does the phrase? Why does it have to be so blocky and cumbersome? Turkish especially gets the shit crown because of vocalic harmony, come on you can't tell me Alemanya'da e Turkye'de doesn't sound childish and autistic.
>It truly shows its grammar was formed around Islam, when you hear the Koran read in classical arabic it sounds beatiful and trascendent.
I... don't think the grammar of Quranic Arabic is particularly different from that of Pre-Islamic Arabic?
>Where does the word end? Where does the phrase?
Not sure why you have a problem with this. Words can get long but there's still obvious boundaries of words and phrases. In any case I like agglutinating languages more than languages with all kinds of tiny words thrown in all over the sentences, especially if the grammar of the language should give you the knowledge and there shouldn't need to be things like prepositions.
Plus, it seems like when people think of agglutination they only think of Turkish but there's plenty of other agglutinating languages. Even Japanese, which people are saying is beautiful in here, has at least aspects of agglutination, though it may not be as in that vein as Turkish is.
all the retards saying "chinese" don't mean mandarin because mandarin sounds completely innocuous. They're talking about cantonese, which does sound like somebody intentionally tried to create the most hideous sounding language possible.
Unless I've never heard Mandarin in my life (through both movies, which are probably Cantonese since most are probably from Hong Kong, and meeting Chinese speakers through my life), both it and Cantonese are similar levels of ugly.
Mandarin is monosyllabic, indistinct and boring. Cantonese sounds like someone trying to imitate what speech sounds like when it's played in reverse
Mandarin is not particularly monosyllabic. If anything it's less so than the other Sinitic languages because of homophones.
South Asian and Southeast Asian languages sound awful to me, especially the latter sounds like deep-throating a dick.
nagger language. The language of any black American nagger saying anything at any given time is the most abhorrent sound on earth
Vietnamese.
I dated a Viet girl for a little while, and whenever she spoke her native language, it was like listening to the Black Speech of Mordor.
DUDE HITLER
Dutch is cute because it sounds like drunk English/German
I like the sound of Finnish and French a lot
I tend to think of Dutch as being "waterlogged German".
How can you define an ugly sounding language without being racist? I mean even if you define one, this language is being spoken by millions of people. Shouldn't also all of these millions find it ugly as well?
Those people are inferior
Quit being a homosexual
>how can you define a least-favorite food without being a bigot? millions of people eat that stuff too, how come their tastes are different from yours
by god do you allow yourself to have any opinions at all
A few years back I would have said Arabic, no question. But then I started working with a couple of Sudanese guys who spoke it to each other what I heard come from their mouths was a very pleasant and almost musical sounding language. Not long afterwards, an Iraqi guy came started working with us and they'd converse in Arabic. Sounded like guttural, barbaric gibberish coming from him, so maybe it's just a dialect thing.
The Arabic world would agree with you. It seems there are many opinions they hold on which dialects are ugly as fuck and which are nice. If I recall Iraqi and Egyptian are gross, while Moroccan and Jordanian are nice. There are others obviously but I don’t remember them.
The "dialects" of Arabic are as different from each other as the Romance languages. And from Standard Arabic as the Romance languages are from Latin, for that matter.
Wouldn't North Germanic languages be a more appropriate comparison? I mean, different Latin dialects started to diverge long before Arabic spread beyond the Arabic peninsula, and if I'm not mistaken most Arabic dialects are quite mutually intelligeble with each other.
To various degrees, but the Romance languages are also various degrees of mutually intelligible. And some of the more distinct Arabic varieties are not particularly intelligible.
At work there is a Romanian woman who speaks English with a thick Romanian accent, and it's quite literally the most disgusting accent I've ever heard, my stomach recoils whenever I hear her speak. I imagine the Romanian language is no different.
Sounds like a mix of Italian and Portuguese
Any former Soviet Union Asian country language i.e. Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan etc. Sounds the way shawarma would sound like if it could speak
How can I at least understand what the article is saying if I’ve never spoken Dutch/Afrikaner in my life. Are Dutch and English that close to each other?
Dutch is a Germanic language like English. Though English has a lot of loan words from French and other languages. And yeah, from what I've seen of Dutch (and Afrikaans evolved from Dutch speakers who settled in South Africa and maybe other parts of Africa with influence from the African languages around them) it tends to be more similar to English than German is.
Probably most Dutch would consider their language to be closer to German than to English. Though of course they're all Germanic languages
>German: Unser Vater im Himmel, Dein Name werde geheiligt, Dein Reich komme, Dein Wille geschehe wie im Himmel so auf Erden.
>Dutch: Onze Vader in de hemel, Uw Naam worde geheiligd, Uw Koninkrijk kome, Uw wil geschiede gelijk in de hemel als ook op aarde
>English: Our Father, which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name, Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, in earth, as it is in heaven:
Yeah nobody is saying it's closer to English than German just that English is closer to it than German.
Ah, I misunderstood you in that case. My bad
Is Dutch as easy for an english speaker to learn as it looks like?
Someone please answer this
The FSI ranks it as a Category I language which means it is extremely easy for native English speakers to learn, and is considered the third easiest language after Afrikaans and Danish, again for native English speakers.
The estimate is 575-600 hours, or 23-24 weeks of consistent study, including speaking practice with others, to reach general competency.
It is probably the closest living relative of English, since Scots isn't a real language.
Sure it is. A lot of speakers now speak it with English influence, which muddies the waters, but 'pure' Scots is at least as different from English as Portuguese is from Spanish.
No it isn't Scots Anon, you were btfo utterly for months on end last year, I thought you learned your lesson. It's a dialect of English influenced by lowland brogue, it is absolutely not a proper language at all.
I don't know who Scots Anon is. But if Scots is a dialect of English then Portuguese is a dialect of Spanish.
I don't accept your dichotomy, state your case in clear linguistic terms that Portuguese is as similar to Spanish as English is to Scots.
That is what I'm saying. You'll note I didn't say Scots factually is or isn't a separate language, though, because I don't think there is a fact of the matter one way or another what is or isn't a separate language. It's primarily a sociopolitical question. But I think if you're trying to communicate linguistic information then it behooves you to at least use a consistent definition for your words to convey any information to the listener.
I think you misunderstood my post. I said that I don’t accept your dichotomy, then I asked you to prove it. That means I don’t accept that Portuguese is as similar to Spanish as scots is to English, and since you think that it is then it’s your responsibility to prove it.
It is true that the area between dialect and language can get a bit tricky, but sharing 80% of your vocabulary with English, having the exact same conjugation habits, sentence structure, case system(or lack there of), and genitive system doesn’t make you a separate language. That’s far closer than Portuguese/Spanish, just because they have a strong accent and write barn as bairn and about as aboot doesn’t make it a separate language.
Seriously man, I can’t link it because WebMs don’t get sound here but go on the scots page on Wikipedia and listen to the wiki tongues vid of the chick speaking it, it’s 99% clearly intelligible, I’m American and I have more trouble understanding Cajuns than that chick.
>but sharing 80% of your vocabulary with English
I'm pretty sure Spanish and Portuguese have even higher lexical similarity than that. Even as a non-native Spanish speaker, I can make out most of written Portuguese.
>having the exact same conjugation habits, sentence structure, case system(or lack there of), and genitive system doesn’t make you a separate language.
What major differences are there in the overall grammatical structure of Spanish and Portuguese? I'm not saying they're identical, but the overall scheme of things has a pretty strong resemblance.
>Seriously man, I can’t link it because WebMs don’t get sound here but go on the scots page on Wikipedia and listen to the wiki tongues vid of the chick speaking it, it’s 99% clearly intelligible, I’m American and I have more trouble understanding Cajuns than that chick.
Doesn't the same go for Swedish and Norwegian? Will you insist they're the same language? (I suppose that would at least be consistent.)
>I'm pretty sure Spanish and Portuguese have even higher lexical similarity than that.
80% was just a ballpark figure, the real share of vocabulary between Scots and English is much higher, but often obscured by orthography. Portuguese and Spanish are more easily mutually intelligible in the written form than the spoken form as well.
>What major differences are there in the overall grammatical structure of Spanish and Portuguese?
Portuguese lacks the third gendered article that Spanish has completely, only using masculine and feminine. Spanish uses the same words with masculine and feminine gender to relay different meanings, Portuguese doesn't do that, many words are completely different genders in Portuguese and Spanish.
The use of possessive pronouns is different, as well as second person pronouns, the use of the definite article is different, Portuguese uses the future indicative in a format that Spanish completely lacks, Portuguese has completely different cases that Spanish does not have, such as the personal infinite, etc. etc.
I could go on, but the point is, and I'm baffled by how I have to keep saying this to you, they are separate languages. Scots and English don't have any differences on the scale of the aforementioned, they have orthographic and accentual differences, with a smattering of new vocabulary, that's it
>Doesn't the same go for Swedish and Norwegian?
Yes, Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish are all dialects of Old Norse that have remained in such close and consistent contact as to be mutually intelligible, the FSI even has a special dispensation for time learning one of them counting towards time learning the others, with appropriate dust up regarding orthography and pronunciation. No one familiar with the subject seriously believes they are different languages as much as they are dialects.
croatian or polish. literally sounds like a sandgrinder
vietnamese sounds like what people sound like when they mock chinese speakers.
Is that Afrikaan?
The nicest Dutch ever spoken isn't even by a dutch person. It's Audrey hepburn.
Honestly the best speaker of the language. So refined.
>hah douh hah waht
No.
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Cantonese, by a country mile
the difference between a language and a dialect is whether or not it has a government insisting it is a language and not a dialect. End of discussion. Hell forgot the specific instance of Scots, listen to this shit and tell me it's less different from normal English than Portuguese is from Spanish
Dutch, Chinese, Arabic
English sounds goofy but I wouldn't say it's ugly
>everyone saying "chinese"
Most aesthetic judgements about a language are really about its speakers and their culture.
English.
Volapuk seems like it's up there.