There is a hypothesis that Albanian is derived from Illyrian but it is unknown, where Albanian came from is unknown too.
Illyrians were Indo-European culture emerged around Dalmatia, at one point this culture spanned around Soga (modern day Slovenia) to Paeonia (modern day FYROM).
Surprisingly they seemed to avoid both Hellenisation and Latinisation until Slavs came and replaced them.
There is a hypothesis that Albanian language came from Illyrian, yes, but it is impossible to know since we almost dont know anything about Illyrians.
But if Albanian language isnt Illyrian, then where did it came from?
They come from mountains, had pastoralist lifestyle and clearly were indigenous to the area since longer time but they are not Slavic, Greek or Latin. Typical Occam Razor use
Phoenicians were really a great empire at the time, it's incredible how such an empire that expanded so much left such little written records and such a poor artistic legacy.
As said by another anon, it’s simply Occam’s Razor here. Albanians are not Slav, nor are they Greek. Their language is not derived from those two either. Since they are mountain people who most likely ran to the mountains to escape the Slavic invasions, it is simply most likely they are descendents of the Illyrians, as any other explanation would be much more complex and convoluted than this. It’s possible they have Thracian ancestry but Illyrians we’re much closer.
the albanians claim that they are, but their actual origins are unknown. the illyrian lands were settled by serbs and croats, so i guess they'd be the truest descendants
yeah, but they live in illyrian lands. croats settled land from istria to cetina and west bosnia, serbs from cetina to slightly east of morava. that's basically the entire illyrian range, thracians were to the east, italians to the west, germans to the north and greeks to the south. they are slavs, that's not disputed
The Balkans were heavily depopulated prior to the Slavic migration. That being said my money is on the dinaroids being the descendants of the Illyrians.
They were the 1st IE people in the Balkans. Some say they were the ancestors of Albanians, others say they were related to Slavs.
Needless ro say, they didn't amount to much. They ended the bloodlines of pre-IE inhabitants, they lived in villages, had tribal kings, had no writing system, and never united. They were conquered by the Roman Empire, but their descendants became emperors in 3rd and 4th century.
>They ended the bloodlines of pre-IE inhabitants
Did they really though? Most Illyrians seem to have been J2b and I don't think Cetina culture (Illyrians) were the first IE people in the Balkans. Not close to it actually.
J2b is very likely to be found in a Moldavan Suvorovo kurgan, if we are to trust Reich. I have no clue whether Cetina is directly related to this wave, if south-western Yamnaya had some J2b or if it's a founder effect emerging once Yamnaya already entered the Balkans.
If we are to assume Cetina is Illyrian then probably one of the latter two options, because even though Illyrian is scantly attested it doesn't seem to be from an archaic branch (like Anatolian).
It could have been picked up by early IE groups in the Balkans but the J2b MRCA probably wasn't from the steppe and yeah Cetina is often associated with Illyrians
I don't see why it couldn't be from the north caucasus and mediated by the steppe, in fact that seems most likely as these Suvorovo samples appear to be very high steppe if we are to read in between the lines of Nikitin's lecture.
I don't think there are any rumors/info of it being in eneolithic steppe samples. Its background is easier to figure out anyway because E-V13 is derived from an EEF lineage.
Some Yamnaya group picked it up in the Balkans and at least one of them became very lucky.
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And that person became an important part of proto-Thracians? Or Illyrians?
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Anonymous
It's in Thracians yes, it barely shows up in any of the BA or IA samples of modern croatia (I only see it in 1 of 70 or so).
To be fair, we only early iron age samples so far of likely Thracian speakers so maybe the situation is more complex before that.
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Anonymous
Maybe Seuthes the third was E-V13
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Anonymous
Am I reading it right
>MRCA lived in 4900BC >starts slow >expansion starts getting real in the alte bronze age >early iron age is also good >huge dip around year 0 for some reason but recovery was quick
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Something like that, I'm not exactly sure how to interpret all of it beyond branching seemingly spiking in eras of increased mobility (EBA, early Iron Age, migration era).
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Anonymous
Do you have similar graphs for any other haplogroups?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I do not, I took this from someone else.
You can maybe get a sense of it for others using ftdna's time tree tool but it wouldn't be presented the same.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have looked at ftdna Discovery and it's very useful and it also has the country % and ancient connections which I like
While exact origin of Albanians is unknown i believe proto albanians lived in Sar mountain area (North-western Macedonia/southern Kosovo) and expanded by assimilating adriatic illyrian tribes and latinised peoples. Slavic migrations played a part as well. About origin of proto albanians either dardanian/thracian tribe or messapic link holds most credibility.
The main haplogroup in Albania is E-V13 which is Thracian. J2-L283 is less common and that is the Illyrian haplogroup.
During this time, armenians even migrated all the way west to Constantinople and Thrace! That ought to show you how easily albanian could also be brought to greece and southern Italy. Since now we see we have armenian as a precedent. The armenians migrated with the coming of the turks. So we see a relationship between the migrating turks and the movement of armenian along with the appearance of albanian.
There is another element here- the armenians migrated to areas that were heavily populated by Greeks. We see the same story with the appearance of Albanians. Bari, was a heavily greek city. Sicily, those villages in formerly heavily greek regions. Same in the rest of southern Italy. In fact Corinth had become albanian as well, and big neighborhoods in Athens were albanian. Maybe the entire town. So armenian did the same thing, it left the caucasus to find a home in greek areas and assimilated the local greeks. This is how Taurus Armenia was created.
My opinion is that it is not a stretch to consider that maybe albanian also followed these patterns. I think it comes from the caucasus.
>blablabla
genetics prove albanians are the balkanites with the most iron age balkan admixture, theyre the closest living people to illyrians, that they have very little foreign dna (cause theyre inbred) including slavic (croats are slavic as fuck, serbs are hapas, greeks have 10% slavic admixture etc)
there's also no proof churka albanians spoke the same language as albos, there's no proof of a migration or relocation either, no proof of turks or whatever moving there
going off by names is like if someone said brits are also albos, because one of its poetic names is Albania (cause of the cliffs of dover)
also illyrians moved to southern italy see
There is a hypothesis that Albanian is derived from Illyrian but it is unknown, where Albanian came from is unknown too.
Illyrians were Indo-European culture emerged around Dalmatia, at one point this culture spanned around Soga (modern day Slovenia) to Paeonia (modern day FYROM).
Surprisingly they seemed to avoid both Hellenisation and Latinisation until Slavs came and replaced them.
There is a hypothesis that Albanian language came from Illyrian, yes, but it is impossible to know since we almost dont know anything about Illyrians.
But if Albanian language isnt Illyrian, then where did it came from?
, messapic people were illyrians
TLDR occams razor
Your post is not occams razor and requires reality-bending. Albanian in south italy is very similar to balkan albanian, the languages did not seperate thousands of years ago when the Illyrians were in the region.
DNA results are contradictory and should not be considered, as they do not prove anything. Populations are assimilated, not replaced. There is also the fact that you probably do not have a legitimate source for your DNA studies. >there's no proof of a migration or relocation either
There is very basic proof that Albanians are not native to the areas they settled in, southern Italy for example as well as southern Greece. Thus, they migrated to at least those areas, which gives the possibility that all of their culture migrated as well.
You have been brainwashed by communists at your school.
What a bullshit argument and I'm not even Albanian. A lot of people migrated to other places, that doesn't mean they didn't have a homeland. There's no document or linguistic or genetic evidence of Albanians coming from outside of the Balkans
my post is occams razor because there's no evidence for a population replacement in the albanian region at any point of history, no evidence for a migration or a transplant of peoples from wherever the fuck >DNA results should not be considered
why not? because they ALL show albos are the closest there is to iron age balkanites? because they prove you wrong about them coming from the balkans or turkey or north africa or whatever? because they prove they barely have foreign admixture? is that why?
>why not? because they ALL show albos are the closest there is to iron age balkanites?
You are mentally handicapped, albo. Albanian is just a oamguage imposed on the local people of the region, so it’s unsurprising that they would share the same DNA as ancient people living there. >my post is occams razor because there's no evidence for a population replacement in the albanian region at any point of history, no evidence for a migration or a transplant of peoples from wherever the fuck
Kek you’re a very dumb albo arent you? Like all the other albo animals you need a higher people to instruct you, snd teach you words.
While exact origin of Albanians is unknown i believe proto albanians lived in Sar mountain area (North-western Macedonia/southern Kosovo) and expanded by assimilating adriatic illyrian tribes and latinised peoples. Slavic migrations played a part as well. About origin of proto albanians either dardanian/thracian tribe or messapic link holds most credibility.
Funny how Gayreeks are always the ones to try to deny Albania's Illyrian heritage and make up nonsense like this
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I ran out of space.
During this time, armenians even migrated all the way west to Constantinople and Thrace! That ought to show you how easily albanian could also be brought to greece and southern Italy. Since now we see we have armenian as a precedent. The armenians migrated with the coming of the turks. So we see a relationship between the migrating turks and the movement of armenian along with the appearance of albanian.
There is another element here- the armenians migrated to areas that were heavily populated by Greeks. We see the same story with the appearance of Albanians. Bari, was a heavily greek city. Sicily, those villages in formerly heavily greek regions. Same in the rest of southern Italy. In fact Corinth had become albanian as well, and big neighborhoods in Athens were albanian. Maybe the entire town. So armenian did the same thing, it left the caucasus to find a home in greek areas and assimilated the local greeks. This is how Taurus Armenia was created.
My opinion is that it is not a stretch to consider that maybe albanian also followed these patterns. I think it comes from the caucasus.
Funny how Albanians are brainwashed by communists and act as golems for all eternity. And then they migrate out of their shithole to bother every neighboring country including gayreece.
Albanians aren't Illyrians, they are closer to ancient Greeks and ironically more Greek than the Turks larping as Greeks in modern day Greece. Croatians are probably the most Illyrian modern day nation, but of course also heavily slavified and also a bit italianized. Basically everyone tall from the Balkans is Illyrian, while the poor violent brownoids are Shitalian and Anatolian
So…? Most mariners they communicated with were not illyrian so they changed those terms, modern lebanese dont use pheonician words for sailing nor did the Medieval pisans use etruscan ones
This is some very low albanian IQ at on display here. albo brain, dont you realize that lebanese are not good mariners? Pisans have their own seagoing vocabulary. Albanian is a language foreign to the Illyrians who were seafarers, simple as.
>their own
It doesn’t come from Erruscan even of they descend from them. Case in point, retard
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Anonymous
You are so severely low IQ that you HAVE TO be Albanian. Black albo, let me explain. Italian is not Etruscan. It was replaced by another language. According to you, Albanian comes from Illyrian. It makes sense for Italian to have different vocabulary. It doesn’t make sense for Albanians to have it.
I’m going to trust scjolars over you and your trash commie country anyway. You’re not white.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes. Scholars disagree with you and I'm pelsagian illytran you retard.
There are trillion of cases like this in history. The langauge of the prevailing mariners (like Italians in the middle ages in the mediterranean) prevails over previous languages.
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Anonymous
>There are trillion of cases like this in history. The langauge of the prevailing mariners (like Italians in the middle ages in the mediterranean) prevails over previous languages.
This doesn't sound like people native to the Dinaric Alps.
Probably not. It has many more Latin loanwords than it has Greek loanwords, which it has hardly any of actually, despite living on top of eachother. Very strange for “illyrian”.
Origin is that they were a Hellenic adjacent culture that never prospered past tribalism. Indo European peoples.
Modern people who are most Illyrian are for sure Albanians. Also montenegrins, Serbs, Herzegovinans, southern Croats have a lot of Illyrian admixture in their blood. When u do DNA tests u can isolate kind of. For example I'm from southern Croatia DNA test says I'm 60 percent Slav (Slovakian/polish/Ukrainian type people) and 40 percent Mediterranean (Illyrian Thracian people).
Well if u take someone balkanian and they have a large percent of their DNA corresponding to polish/Belorussian (the most Slavic ppl) and then the rest is kinda Greek/Italian/Mediterranean u can surmise that the med stuff is Illyrian origin given that that person is from balkans
In red and black I dress.
Eagle on my chest
I'm proud to be:
Are you sure?
People are going to say Albanians but I'm not so sure about that
Albos and Monkidonians and the swarthiest of Serbs
Macedonians are Slavs though?
Or do you mean ancient Macedonians? They were Greek not Illyrian
>What is the origin of the Illyrians
Migrating Celts
>who are their modern descendants
No one. Slavs wiped them out
Illyrians can't be Celts! They didn't speak Celtic. They spoke their own language. And their pottery is different?
There is a hypothesis that Albanian is derived from Illyrian but it is unknown, where Albanian came from is unknown too.
Illyrians were Indo-European culture emerged around Dalmatia, at one point this culture spanned around Soga (modern day Slovenia) to Paeonia (modern day FYROM).
Surprisingly they seemed to avoid both Hellenisation and Latinisation until Slavs came and replaced them.
There is a hypothesis that Albanian language came from Illyrian, yes, but it is impossible to know since we almost dont know anything about Illyrians.
But if Albanian language isnt Illyrian, then where did it came from?
Could Albanian be Daco-Thracian? E-V13 haplogroup language
Albanians are probably half human fish monsters like in the shadow over innsmouth.
bumo
Pelsagian - the origin
Albanian - the descendant
If it's really Albanians then I'm glad the Balkans got thoroughly conquered by Slavs.
WHY do you hate Albanians WHY WHY WHY
What the hell is there to like
The kindness and intelligence
Albanians are not Illyrians. But they are the closest we have to Illyrians. Since the Dalmatians got Slav'd into oblivion.
Albanians are Illyrians
I mean obviously Albanians maybe mixed with Thracians
And why is it obvious?
They come from mountains, had pastoralist lifestyle and clearly were indigenous to the area since longer time but they are not Slavic, Greek or Latin. Typical Occam Razor use
Phoenicians were really a great empire at the time, it's incredible how such an empire that expanded so much left such little written records and such a poor artistic legacy.
the phoenician alphabet is not a bad contribution
They were not an empire, Carthage was.
As said by another anon, it’s simply Occam’s Razor here. Albanians are not Slav, nor are they Greek. Their language is not derived from those two either. Since they are mountain people who most likely ran to the mountains to escape the Slavic invasions, it is simply most likely they are descendents of the Illyrians, as any other explanation would be much more complex and convoluted than this. It’s possible they have Thracian ancestry but Illyrians we’re much closer.
J2b balkaners
So Cetina culture?
the albanians claim that they are, but their actual origins are unknown. the illyrian lands were settled by serbs and croats, so i guess they'd be the truest descendants
But Croats and Serbs are Slavs
yeah, but they live in illyrian lands. croats settled land from istria to cetina and west bosnia, serbs from cetina to slightly east of morava. that's basically the entire illyrian range, thracians were to the east, italians to the west, germans to the north and greeks to the south. they are slavs, that's not disputed
Hey retard
Most people in lands conquered by migrators are the descendants of the original natives who assimilated into their conqueror’s culture
The Balkans were heavily depopulated prior to the Slavic migration. That being said my money is on the dinaroids being the descendants of the Illyrians.
Illyrian skeletons don't look like that though
They were the 1st IE people in the Balkans. Some say they were the ancestors of Albanians, others say they were related to Slavs.
Needless ro say, they didn't amount to much. They ended the bloodlines of pre-IE inhabitants, they lived in villages, had tribal kings, had no writing system, and never united. They were conquered by the Roman Empire, but their descendants became emperors in 3rd and 4th century.
>They ended the bloodlines of pre-IE inhabitants
Did they really though? Most Illyrians seem to have been J2b and I don't think Cetina culture (Illyrians) were the first IE people in the Balkans. Not close to it actually.
J2b is very likely to be found in a Moldavan Suvorovo kurgan, if we are to trust Reich. I have no clue whether Cetina is directly related to this wave, if south-western Yamnaya had some J2b or if it's a founder effect emerging once Yamnaya already entered the Balkans.
If we are to assume Cetina is Illyrian then probably one of the latter two options, because even though Illyrian is scantly attested it doesn't seem to be from an archaic branch (like Anatolian).
It could have been picked up by early IE groups in the Balkans but the J2b MRCA probably wasn't from the steppe and yeah Cetina is often associated with Illyrians
I don't see why it couldn't be from the north caucasus and mediated by the steppe, in fact that seems most likely as these Suvorovo samples appear to be very high steppe if we are to read in between the lines of Nikitin's lecture.
Maybe you're right
What about E-V13?
I don't think there are any rumors/info of it being in eneolithic steppe samples. Its background is easier to figure out anyway because E-V13 is derived from an EEF lineage.
But how did it become big?
Some Yamnaya group picked it up in the Balkans and at least one of them became very lucky.
And that person became an important part of proto-Thracians? Or Illyrians?
It's in Thracians yes, it barely shows up in any of the BA or IA samples of modern croatia (I only see it in 1 of 70 or so).
To be fair, we only early iron age samples so far of likely Thracian speakers so maybe the situation is more complex before that.
Maybe Seuthes the third was E-V13
Am I reading it right
>MRCA lived in 4900BC
>starts slow
>expansion starts getting real in the alte bronze age
>early iron age is also good
>huge dip around year 0 for some reason but recovery was quick
Something like that, I'm not exactly sure how to interpret all of it beyond branching seemingly spiking in eras of increased mobility (EBA, early Iron Age, migration era).
Do you have similar graphs for any other haplogroups?
I do not, I took this from someone else.
You can maybe get a sense of it for others using ftdna's time tree tool but it wouldn't be presented the same.
I have looked at ftdna Discovery and it's very useful and it also has the country % and ancient connections which I like
The main haplogroup in Albania is E-V13 which is Thracian. J2-L283 is less common and that is the Illyrian haplogroup.
Turkroach post, do NOT give it attention
Communist cuck post, no rebuttal, just seethe
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Back to Caucaseddit
Turk bussy femboy is upset
What’s wrong with femboys?
Nothing everybody loves a good Turk femboy
smrds are not human.
what are smrds
I ran out of space.
During this time, armenians even migrated all the way west to Constantinople and Thrace! That ought to show you how easily albanian could also be brought to greece and southern Italy. Since now we see we have armenian as a precedent. The armenians migrated with the coming of the turks. So we see a relationship between the migrating turks and the movement of armenian along with the appearance of albanian.
There is another element here- the armenians migrated to areas that were heavily populated by Greeks. We see the same story with the appearance of Albanians. Bari, was a heavily greek city. Sicily, those villages in formerly heavily greek regions. Same in the rest of southern Italy. In fact Corinth had become albanian as well, and big neighborhoods in Athens were albanian. Maybe the entire town. So armenian did the same thing, it left the caucasus to find a home in greek areas and assimilated the local greeks. This is how Taurus Armenia was created.
My opinion is that it is not a stretch to consider that maybe albanian also followed these patterns. I think it comes from the caucasus.
ypuvhave to prove evidence of an Albanian speaking population in Caucasia
Hey, GreekSeethe poster here. I forgot to mention that i’m trans (MtF). Also i’m the Gervaisposter and the stalingrad spammer
>blablabla
genetics prove albanians are the balkanites with the most iron age balkan admixture, theyre the closest living people to illyrians, that they have very little foreign dna (cause theyre inbred) including slavic (croats are slavic as fuck, serbs are hapas, greeks have 10% slavic admixture etc)
there's also no proof churka albanians spoke the same language as albos, there's no proof of a migration or relocation either, no proof of turks or whatever moving there
going off by names is like if someone said brits are also albos, because one of its poetic names is Albania (cause of the cliffs of dover)
also illyrians moved to southern italy see
, messapic people were illyrians
TLDR occams razor
Your post is not occams razor and requires reality-bending. Albanian in south italy is very similar to balkan albanian, the languages did not seperate thousands of years ago when the Illyrians were in the region.
DNA results are contradictory and should not be considered, as they do not prove anything. Populations are assimilated, not replaced. There is also the fact that you probably do not have a legitimate source for your DNA studies.
>there's no proof of a migration or relocation either
There is very basic proof that Albanians are not native to the areas they settled in, southern Italy for example as well as southern Greece. Thus, they migrated to at least those areas, which gives the possibility that all of their culture migrated as well.
You have been brainwashed by communists at your school.
What a bullshit argument and I'm not even Albanian. A lot of people migrated to other places, that doesn't mean they didn't have a homeland. There's no document or linguistic or genetic evidence of Albanians coming from outside of the Balkans
>but le heckin document?!
There is no document or linguistic evidence to suggest they came from the Balkans either, albo.
my post is occams razor because there's no evidence for a population replacement in the albanian region at any point of history, no evidence for a migration or a transplant of peoples from wherever the fuck
>DNA results should not be considered
why not? because they ALL show albos are the closest there is to iron age balkanites? because they prove you wrong about them coming from the balkans or turkey or north africa or whatever? because they prove they barely have foreign admixture? is that why?
>from the balkans o
from the caucasus* whoops
Saying Albos is a slur. Say Albanians.
Idgaf
You would not say that to an Albanian in real life kid
Yeah I wouldn't, i don't want to end up in a human traffic ring
Another harmful stereotype
You're acting violent toward me for shortening Albanian to albo, isnt that a harmful stereotype too? Balkan bastard? All that?
You just now called me a bastard
Thats a stereotype, look up balkan bastard tvtropes
Yes I would, you’re all very very weak little people.
No man is bigger than a bullet
>the tiny albanian threatens to shoot me for being bigger and stronger than him
Kek I bet you stole your gun didnt you albo?
>why not? because they ALL show albos are the closest there is to iron age balkanites?
You are mentally handicapped, albo. Albanian is just a oamguage imposed on the local people of the region, so it’s unsurprising that they would share the same DNA as ancient people living there.
>my post is occams razor because there's no evidence for a population replacement in the albanian region at any point of history, no evidence for a migration or a transplant of peoples from wherever the fuck
Kek you’re a very dumb albo arent you? Like all the other albo animals you need a higher people to instruct you, snd teach you words.
I'm not Albanian and you're mentally ill
>projection
Keep seething albo
Meds
Did you steal those too albanian?
Did an Albanian steal your girl?
Women don’t like albanians. Maybe Too skinny short and dark.
While exact origin of Albanians is unknown i believe proto albanians lived in Sar mountain area (North-western Macedonia/southern Kosovo) and expanded by assimilating adriatic illyrian tribes and latinised peoples. Slavic migrations played a part as well. About origin of proto albanians either dardanian/thracian tribe or messapic link holds most credibility.
Funny how Gayreeks are always the ones to try to deny Albania's Illyrian heritage and make up nonsense like this
Funny how Albanians are brainwashed by communists and act as golems for all eternity. And then they migrate out of their shithole to bother every neighboring country including gayreece.
Take meds
Do you steal those too, alb*nian?
Harmful stereotype
Albanians aren't Illyrians, they are closer to ancient Greeks and ironically more Greek than the Turks larping as Greeks in modern day Greece. Croatians are probably the most Illyrian modern day nation, but of course also heavily slavified and also a bit italianized. Basically everyone tall from the Balkans is Illyrian, while the poor violent brownoids are Shitalian and Anatolian
The Albanian language is Illyrian
Then why does it have all of its seafaring vocab borrowed from other languages? Illyrians were famous mariners.
Provide source for claim?
>source?! Source?!
Maybe reddit is more your speed
Fine then I claim that all seafaring vocab in Albanian is unchanged from Illyrian
I claim that you are mentally ill and transgender
Gayreeks invented trans and gayness
Albanians ended it
Orel (2000), A Concise Historical Grammar of the Albanian Language: Reconstruction of Proto-Albanian
Can I read it for free online?
pdf is on l*bgen
So…? Most mariners they communicated with were not illyrian so they changed those terms, modern lebanese dont use pheonician words for sailing nor did the Medieval pisans use etruscan ones
This is some very low albanian IQ at on display here. albo brain, dont you realize that lebanese are not good mariners? Pisans have their own seagoing vocabulary. Albanian is a language foreign to the Illyrians who were seafarers, simple as.
You are the blacks of europe. You dont belong.
>their own
It doesn’t come from Erruscan even of they descend from them. Case in point, retard
You are so severely low IQ that you HAVE TO be Albanian. Black albo, let me explain. Italian is not Etruscan. It was replaced by another language. According to you, Albanian comes from Illyrian. It makes sense for Italian to have different vocabulary. It doesn’t make sense for Albanians to have it.
I’m going to trust scjolars over you and your trash commie country anyway. You’re not white.
Yes. Scholars disagree with you and I'm pelsagian illytran you retard.
There are trillion of cases like this in history. The langauge of the prevailing mariners (like Italians in the middle ages in the mediterranean) prevails over previous languages.
>There are trillion of cases like this in history. The langauge of the prevailing mariners (like Italians in the middle ages in the mediterranean) prevails over previous languages.
This doesn't sound like people native to the Dinaric Alps.
Albanian is a language between Germanic and Balto-Slavic that got extremely heavily Hellenized
Probably not. It has many more Latin loanwords than it has Greek loanwords, which it has hardly any of actually, despite living on top of eachother. Very strange for “illyrian”.
Mental illness
Albania
>it was real in my mind
Just keep consooming state propaganda goy.
Origin is that they were a Hellenic adjacent culture that never prospered past tribalism. Indo European peoples.
Modern people who are most Illyrian are for sure Albanians. Also montenegrins, Serbs, Herzegovinans, southern Croats have a lot of Illyrian admixture in their blood. When u do DNA tests u can isolate kind of. For example I'm from southern Croatia DNA test says I'm 60 percent Slav (Slovakian/polish/Ukrainian type people) and 40 percent Mediterranean (Illyrian Thracian people).
How can you isolate Illyrian?
Well if u take someone balkanian and they have a large percent of their DNA corresponding to polish/Belorussian (the most Slavic ppl) and then the rest is kinda Greek/Italian/Mediterranean u can surmise that the med stuff is Illyrian origin given that that person is from balkans
Albo
Illyrian IQ: 105
Albo IQ <75