homosexual is right, linux should Btfo Windows >Ntfs drive compatibilty >Dual booting manual >Procedural GuI designer, run source code through a GuI and it autobuilds a setup depending on for example " tick these dependencies if you want to install them, naggerapp seems to scan computers that it connects for Kfc pictures and -sudo rm user any computer above $x pictures of kfc, please input $x to proceed"
MS is so bad at developing filesystems that they made SSDs a de facto standard to cope.
Which, ironically, was also of huge benefit to freetards, since it also compensates for btrfs' pitfalls.
The very freedom it boasts of means no one has a consolidated idea and all projects take different directions, which is ultimately useless for mass adoption as a whole.
homosexual is right, linux should Btfo Windows >Ntfs drive compatibilty >Dual booting manual >Procedural GuI designer, run source code through a GuI and it autobuilds a setup depending on for example " tick these dependencies if you want to install them, naggerapp seems to scan computers that it connects for Kfc pictures and -sudo rm user any computer above $x pictures of kfc, please input $x to proceed"
Windows has an infinite advantage because project management for Linux is effectively non-existant besides getting a distro created, which everyone and their mother wants to do, then they do nothing special with it.
People bitch and bitch about Xorg being shit or Weyland being shit, but then nobody actually bands together to make something. This eternal turmoil is how Microsoft is able to stay in the lead, regardless of the pants-on-head retarded decisions they make.
This goes the other way, too. Nobody wants to make the complicated shit, but everyone wants to make the easy shit. Thats why there's a million package managers that nobody can choose from, and that barely differ from one another.
people did band together to make something. It was called Xorg. Then people decided it was shit and they banded together to make Wayland. People do band together to make things.
too much reliance on GNU
also I want to be able completely remove bash and I can't
you can just use a different shell. but you need to keep it on your system because programs are written in bash.
Imagine being so fucking stupid you confuse a kernel that's had the same project lead for 30 years and attracts the top developers from every hardware maker on planet earth with an OS distribution that makes use of said kernel.
wayland have too many things not working in """window""" managers, kde is absolutely fine but too bloated and buggy
xorg is dead with security flaws
stuff like fractional scaling are just naggerlike in something like sway or naggerland, again it's completely stable and usable for a normal person in kde
Linux needs wine to be way better than it is currently.
The moment wine becomes so seamless you can't even tell it's there is the moment Linux will win.
Wine or something that replaces wine should work as good as Valve has proton working. Also if all distro's have Android apps working as ChromeOS has that might even be better for android normies.
What is elf missing? Or is it the fact that Linux OSes expect you to distribute software in source form that you're annoyed with? That's a feature IMO.
There needs to be a singular form of software packaging that is distro-agnostic, easily allows running legacy versions and saving the installers, like an .exe
The current distro-agnostic solutions are either lacking or not seeing much use.
Assuming you mean Linux as in the GNU + Linux distros, it's because of the nature of (F)OSS. For example, GNOME didn't have thumbnails in the file picker until a few months ago (ticket was open for a decade and a half). "Devs" saying they care for the community, while they buttfuck everyone with their decisions (looking at you, Canonical). Projects are not guaranteed to get money, and some of the things don't work as well as they should. Also, many small projects which are good end up dead. On many distros, basic stuff which should have a working GUI (so normal people can use it) doesn't work / is buggy.
Then we have software incompatibility, drivers, etc.; these are not GNU + Linux (or any OS), but those who wrote it, incorporating things such as DRM, anti-cheat, and stuff like that. Problems which the Windows "power user" (aka script kiddie with le vidya) doesn't want to deal with.
The file picker is free software. If you want it to have thumbnails, why don't you add thumbnails? If your vision for Gnome is so much better than Gnome's, and users really want those features, surely they'd flock to your fork?
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Why would anyone give a shit about "market share". Why do you want more people to use Linux? So you can have more annoying noobs asking stupid questions?
There needs to be a singular form of software packaging that is distro-agnostic, easily allows running legacy versions and saving the installers, like an .exe
The current distro-agnostic solutions are either lacking or not seeing much use.
you don't understand what packages are, what they do, or what they are for. you don't understand what distros are or what they do. the whole point of distros (plural) is that they do things differently.
How the fuck is random anon supposed to maintain a fork of something as bloated and rapidly developed as gnome? Why is every solution to a FOSS problem "le code it yourself" when most people can't program and are simply requesting features that will sway them to actually use that software?
If it's such a widely-had problem, then _someone_ that agrees with you will be a programmer. >when most people can't program
see above where I explain that the biggest problem with Linux is the endless sea of non-contributing leeches that think they have the right to demand things be done to satisfy them.
if you can't program, learn how to, or accept that decisions about how computers work will always be made by other people.
if you don't like your car, you have two choices: learn how to work on cars, or pick the car that is closest to matching what you want. you aren't entitled to demand that other people work on your car for free. you aren't entitled to demand that car manufacturers make a car to your specifications with exactly the features you want, all for free.
you can (1) pay someone to make Gnome the way you like it, (2) learn to program and make Gnome the way you like it, (3) pick something that suits you better (KDE solves all these problems people have with Gnome not being customisable enough, while still being a floating DE), or (4) shut up and accept the shit you get completely for free.
nobody in the world cares if you use their software.
>If your vision for Gnome is so much better than Gnome's, and users really want those features, surely they'd flock to your fork?
Yes. It's called Cinnamon.
>oh this problem or flaw right here? well too bad pal, it's not a bug, it's a feature. you don't need it anyway. why do you want it? make it yourself if you want it that much. *closes bug report as won't fix*
or you can just change DE and leave GNOME to rot as it should. Maintaining such huge codebase is difficult, and instead of changing it, for them to take the code and take credit, just change DEs. THAT is the problem of F(OSS), and is human nature. Now go back where you came from.
The market share idiots are 14 year olds that actually still believe people would like Linux if they just tried it/has it preinstalled. Newsflash, they have tried it and the market share reflects that it's garbage. Not only that, increasing from 1 to 3% has been entirely due to increased use of phones/tablets for browsing which aren't counted in the desktop stats.
Its logo. I hate this lazy fuck penguin. It instantly reminds me of fat fucks who can’t care for themselves, don’t shower, always smell like piss and cum and have no goal in life.
It doesn't come pre-installed on laptops and desktops from manufacturers such as HP and Dell. Then again, they'd probably make their own freedom hating distro's like Google did with Android and ChromeOS.
Dell makes laptops that come with Linux, they're just not in walmart and there's no money incentive to push them on normies.
Right now is the perfect balance. Only those in the know use linux, but enough of them do in such a way that means 99% of things have support for linux.
I would say the biggest problem is the lack of drivers and programs for the average consumer, but this will only be solved when linux reach at least 15% of market share, so having more programs and drivers is a consequence of having a good job somewhere else.
Starting resolving the problems described here maybe we reach the 15%.
Lack of drivers is self inflicted. Torvalds could make the driver ABI stable at any time instead of demanding 3rd parties hand over their source code like a dirty commie. AMD did it, and Apple stole that shit to make their own GPUs.
I would say the biggest problem is the lack of drivers and programs for the average consumer, but this will only be solved when linux reach at least 15% of market share, so having more programs and drivers is a consequence of having a good job somewhere else.
Starting resolving the problems described here maybe we reach the 15%.
linux has better drivers than windows you retarded fagets
Many peripherals either have a shit driver or software that is only for Windows or iOS. And sometimes there is multiple generic software, bit it all has half the functions. Normal homosexuals just want it to werk.
Linux belongs on the virtual machine and to be virtualised or simply as kernel to power IoT botnets like router. Simple as.
Games work better on Linux these days. Wine is *very* good and not having telemetry and auto updates compete with the game for I/O bandwidth means it will load assets much faster.
Gayming is harder than it needs to be. Trying to get Cemu to run through proton with cheat engine was an absolute nightmare, it was buggy to all hell and I had to constantly restart my machine. Linuxtards will always immediately dismiss any valid criticism of it which is also why it will never get a decent market share.
There's one singular Linux API, GNU implements the Posix API that exists everywhere, and both X11 and OpenGL is very portable.
What exactly is fragmented?
I will give one hint: focus on gaymes, unironically. I'm not a gaymer, but this is what lead the market is games.
What made MS-DOS reign over Apple is games. What made the technology progress was games. What made the technology known for normalfags was games.
Focus your OS for gamers. If gaymers are confortable using it, so the normalfag will be.
FOCUS IN THE FUCKING GAYMES!
Games work better on Linux these days. Wine is *very* good and not having telemetry and auto updates compete with the game for I/O bandwidth means it will load assets much faster.
Mis-mash of ideas with, seemingly, no thought of an overall design. Leads to an overflowing kitchen sink of interfaces and abilities.
Too beholden to compartively ancient concepts in OS design and failure to adopt better ideas that arose post-UNIX.
Mistaken believe that their processes produce quality when there are numerous examples demonstrating the opposite.
Performance over correctness issues in various places and stupid thinking about disconnect from user-land - a kernel is useless without the ability to use it.
But it can work and is very flexible and efficient at times but there can be many gotchas along the way. I say this from deploying it "in anger" on various systems used in demanding environments with strict performance, security and reliability concerns.
Big issue is desktop environments. They just feel wrong, bloated, they don't work smoothly, have compatibility problems. Why are MacOS and Windows so smooth? Because most of it is developed in house. Linux is a horse designed by committee, or rather multiple versions of one horse worked on by independent committees working seperately and releases their own versions with software from all over the ecosystem taped together. UNIX has this problem too but BSD is way less fragmented becasue less people are making it and it's a whole OS whereas Linux is just a standalone component.
The way it doesn't try(enough) to be on the cutting edge on new standards and features, and hence not beating proprietary software vendors to the punch and letting them control how entire parts of computing works, like with video and image manipulation it's all Adobe garbage in the professional sphere, i wish more people would try to look to the horizon when developing
A lot of stuff isn't properly tested. For example I use gamescope for HDR games and an update forces VRR which my surround recover doesn't support so the screen just goes black. I tried turning it off in the script but to no avail. and they don't have any way to message the dev.
Too many package managers which makes distributing your software a pain in the ass.
Too many distros that really do nothing other than divide what little userbase currently exists.
Open sores developers don't care about fixing actual issues.
Community is a fragmented trashpile. No one hates a Linux user more than another Linux user.
Linux's biggest problem is the same as it's biggest strength: there's no consensus on what "Linux" is or what it should be and yet it's treated as if it's a single thing when it's not even remotely.
You cannot make a functioning OS when the display server team if fighting against the DE team, the kernel team is fighting against the audio server, no centralized decision-making. the users demand X, the desktop team says that the kernel team should do this, the kernel team says it's display team's job, the display team say it can never be done for REASONS. Then a bearded man comes out and says "Stop using the drivers because the drivers are evil".
Android is a Linux system, it has no problems and widely adopted, samsung even paid for the professional software ports and Samsung Galaxy is a great competitor to the ipad pro for 2d art. Because Android is centralized, there's a chain of command that decides who does what and how in the end everything comes together and works.
Open sores community is like a bunch of cats nobody is even trying to herd they are just fighting, there's no organization, no direction, and no progress.
it functions for me and for millions of other people. why make up lies? nobody is fighting anyone. people are having technical discussions where they sometimes disagree. because Linux is built on freedom, rather than having to come to a single conclusion, people can freely try out their ideas and prove them in the world, and people will pick what actually works. This is much better in the long-run than a top-down design decision made by a Microsoft executive. >display server team >DE team >kernel team >desktop team >the users
There are no teams. There are just people working on what they want to work on, the way they want to work on it, solving their own problems and problems they find interesting. The end result is a very good system.
>The end result is a very good system.
what system specifically are you talking about?
Because last time I booted into Ubuntu to run A1111 it was dogshit. A bare installation of Ubuntu with nothing else on it is suffering from freezes, and Firefox keeps crashing, the file manager lags, the system runs slow and unresponsive while being installed on an M.2 SSD.
Some time ago linux fanboys used to laugh at the smeary windows when the Windows Explorer would freeze, now it's worse, actually it has always been worse.
Ubuntu is dogshit. So what? None of that happens on my system. It doesn't happen on my new desktop and it doesn't happen on my 10 year old laptop. I don't ruin Ubuntu on either as I am not a nagger.
Notice how you didn't name your system. Because you know that there's actually something wrong with your system too, you're just coping with it, or have an extremely rare edge use case nobody else has, so instead of saying it you pretend to be an all mysteryous gatekeeper rather than a lying autismal neckbeard.
>And yet everybody uses X.
Almost nobody uses linux in the first place.
But when they do most new distros are shipping with Wayland as default and you need to go out of your way to shift into X so you could enjoy the screen tearing shitfest .
The ratio of leeches to developers has skyrocketed. Most Linux users now do nothing to contribute at all to their operating systems. They don't help newbies, they don't go to installfests, they don't write any code, they don't write documentation, they don't report bugs. At the most they might talk about Linux on web forums.
Well guess what dipshit, most windows users don't contribute to windows either. THE USER IS SUPPOSED TO USE, the attitute >here's a bunch of shit you can try and make an os out of this if you want
is why it never took off.
USERS want a product, not a fucking project.
See google android, it's linux, it works, it's widely adopted and has the popular professional software on it, because Samsung developed a device with drivers, desktop server and all for it and then paid the company to port the soft and support it then sold the product to the users the users are happy.
if you don't like it, you aren't forced to use it. feel free to use Windows if you think it's better. nobody anywhere in the world cares what OS you use.
Linux users get nothing out of you choosing to use Linux. For people like me, it's more work because every additional non-contributing user is a drain on my patience. 1% of the time, users are curious and intelligent, and they figure most things out for themselves and ask smart questions when they are stuck. 99% of new users ask braindead questions that are answered in the first page of the manual.
This is the real problem. People think that by using Linux they're somehow doing its developers a favour. You aren't. Choose what you want. Nobody else cares what OS you use.
>That and X11 dying
X died 20 years ago.
X has always been dead. The problem is that the autismal community has been in denial of the problem for far too long and kept clinging onto a decaying corpse of an abandoned project rather than moving on until it was too long.
I literally see no reason to transition over to linux. When the people who actually made the software are not the ones guaranteeing it. This how MS got so popular. They followed in IBM's footsteps, and provided first party support for institutions and other large customers. And when those people set out to buy a home computer, they bought what they knew from work. Microsoft DOS, Then Windows.
I truly wish there was a legitimate competitor to microsoft. Apple does not give a shit. They never have. And linux is too damn fragmented. I mean now it's better, but not by much. Linux support alone is extremely expensive. Especially in the enterprise space.
>plug in scanner >no scanner found >flip switches replug things >no scanner found >sudo sane-find-scanner >oh, yeah, there's a scanner there, it's got some bus errors though >sudo usermod -a -G lp anon >no scanner found >edit /etc/saned/epsonds.conf to manually add the product id from lsusb >no scanner found >power cycle >ok fine, there's a scanner there, you can access it, and we kind of know what it is >okay, show me the help on it >no scanner found >power cycle, immediately run scanimage --help -d epsonds:usb:001:009 >here's the help >scanimage >no scanner found >power cycle, update cmdline to epsonds:usb:001:010 >scanimage >Corrupt JPEG data: 2214 extraneous bytes before marker 0xd1 >power cycle, update cmdline to epsonds:usb:001:011 >scanimage --mode Lineart --depth 1b -d epsonds:usb:001:011 > scan.pnm >successfully acquired a shitty 1 bit black and white image
This is a scanner listed as completely supported by sane. This is the modal experience when anything doesn't quite work out on the first try in gnu/linux.
Community full of retards with autism and huge ego
SystemD
Relying too much on the wiki (wich is most of the times is written like shit) instead of making things work the easy, fast, intuitive and simple way
Lack of latest hardware and software support or it just doesn't work like it should
Just use the command line mentality
Way too many developers developing redundant software full of bugs and unfinished instead of working together and getting shit done
Too much latency when playing games and barely no mod support
Nvidia drivers on Linux sucks
They keep breaking things for no reason. Open source developers like vanity projects like wayland, systemd, gnome and gtk3 which fix no real problems but cause massive headaches for end users.
I can fix all the problems I have with Linux.
I can't with macOS.
I barely have any problems on Windows, but in some areas it is inferior to Linux.
That's why I have Linux + Windows on my PC, and can't wait until I switch to a job where they don't force me to use macOS.
I use Arch btw so I have always liked Linux. Everything "just works" and wiki is nice. I tested "is Linux good" with my dad. I didn't instruct he in any way and wasn't even present when he did all of this. He did create usb drive with Ubuntu LTS, installed it and get even into desktop. His English is good enough. He even installed gpu drivers with installer and toggled automatic security updates. Installed Google Chrome (I didn't like that but its his pc).
There is a list that isn't working as default:
>hardware acceleration in video players, browser or in anywhere >widevine is missing or broken (i have no idea, because I don't use stream services) >google meet works but teams was broken >display switching to tv with hdmi was broken >installation did spam "ubuntu crashed" or something even when everything (according to my dad) did look ok >if you open gtk dialog and switch virtual desktop, sometimes whole Gnome crashes and "starts as new session" but videos audio is playing in background >moving/copying files process bar is inaccurate and when "finished" it is actually still doing the moving/copying >if you open too many tabs and watch video and ram usage is 90-100%, system just crashes instead of just freezing one program for 30 seconds (I tested this in Arch and even with zram, swap and oom killers I can't create combination where ram management works like in Windows) >dark mode is qually bas as in Windows, so 30-60% of the dialogs and applications are still white
Even is Arch I had to modify Firefox/Librewolf with config file, userChrome.css, about:config, two addons, settings and random environment variables and flags, so it stops doing white flashes in situations where it loads or refresh a page, changing tabs etc.Then using all of that also fix white addon menus and new tab background as well. Still once a month I see ome new white thing and have to fix it. I hate that Linux has only two consistent themes: Breeze and Adwaita (and their dark variants). All of the other ones are always that "this looks good, oh it is only for kvantum, oh it is only for qt5 and gtk2 but not for gtk3" etc.
Btw my Librewolf did freeze and crash during writing this and I had to screenshot this message and write this end part again. Same happened in Chromium browsers too. It is probably some bug in Fcitx5 and some programs where I write too long or something. Btw, all of this is "normal distro" with "normal DE". In my Arch + Hyprland, almost 30-50% of things is bugged, everything crashes 2-3 times a day and games lag even with gamescope etc. But I still use it because I like potential of this. Also in my setup my audio just goes silent 2 times a day but pulseaudio shows bar going back and forth so audio actually "works" but just doesn't play in my headphones. This is "fixed" by changing audio profile to something and back to original.
Of course this is less problems that I had in Windows and macOS (these are commonly just reinstalled, fixed by relatives or they take computer to some expensive shop) but I dream about a day where all just works.
linux is bad because different people make different programs that do similar things and they should be forced at gunpoint to collaborate instead and do everything my arbitrary way
As a newbie user of linux (5-6 mounths) with no old guard bias, and before I say harsh things I want to preface that I actually really like linux and intend to stick to it.
>Lack of interest from software developers
Sadly the single biggest adversarial death spiral.
Not many people use linux => Software devs don't consider making their shit work on linux => You need to have a lot of patience and technical know-how to run basic shit.
In case of adobe or other AAA games and software, trying to run a lot of things is a crapshoot.
If linux wants wide adoption it has to somehow get over the hurdle of "have shit work out of the box"
>The community sucks and isn't very centralised
Linux has a rightful reputation of having a community of techbro fags with fragile egos and smugness. This also extends to linux coverage.
I don't know how to really get this across but a lot of linux users, both random redditors and public figures have a LOT of disdain for people who don't want to be a geeksquad worker in their spare time, which personally put me off for a long while.
Let me put it this way, when linux fanboys pitch the system, it sounds like this:
WOWZA LINUX IS A FOSS GNU LICENESED FREE SOFTWARE WITH LOTSA PRIVATE SECURITY TO FIGHT THE CORPO-GORBO, ALSO IT CAN BE VERY HIGHLY CUSTOMISED TO DO SHIT YOU ALREADY DO, AND BTW HAVE I MENTIONED I USE ARCH??
When I do it, I go:
It boots faster and eats less idle resources. here try this one which runs out of the box (mint). Have fun!
Also personally having no discord server and having to run to forums for every issue is a headache.
TL;DR
Shit doesn't work without dedicating your life tinkering with it once you go past just using it to do granny-level computer stuff, and people who would offer tech support and advice are too busy jerking off about knowing they can do it.
Nvidia, the most popular GPU manufacturer in the world, is an absolute horror show on linux, the best I found was pop_os which since 22.04 now seems to have some weird memory/cpu issue with 4gb on idle and random spikes to 100%
it was otherwise the best of a bad bunch.
AMD is better but the hardware they make is actual shit. They jumped on pluton first which tells you all you need to know about them.
Linux is misery on anything but dogshit HW or basic internet/video usage where an igpu will suffice.
Bugs that have sat unfixed since I first tried using it in 2010.
Inability to customize UIs for all DEs except tiling DEs.
Completecand utter lack of documentation for the same where it exists.
Lack of backwards compatability, and apparently no intent to ever have it.
Absolutely no way to ever standardize and simplify locations of executables, configuration files, and shared libraries. Alternately, no standard for programs to follow which eases customization of these things for individual programs... iirc symlinks work but are hacky.
No standard for naming, locating, or calling different versions of shared libraries on the same install; and apparently no attempt to ever do so.
Hardcore nerd self-absorbtion in UI design for art programs: "I know C, graphic designer, therefore my opinion is not just morally superior but also correct due to my identity."
No way to unfuck or customize retarded packaging configurations, requirement chains, or presets on Debian based distros.
It doesn't work exactly the way I personally want without having to do any workarounds, it should be developed just to appeal to me particularly
homosexual is right, linux should Btfo Windows
>Ntfs drive compatibilty
>Dual booting manual
>Procedural GuI designer, run source code through a GuI and it autobuilds a setup depending on for example " tick these dependencies if you want to install them, naggerapp seems to scan computers that it connects for Kfc pictures and -sudo rm user any computer above $x pictures of kfc, please input $x to proceed"
>using ntfs
I dare you to actually say what's wrong with NTFS
N(igger)T(ranny)F(aggot)S(ex) has to be reverse engineered to be usable by a decent OS
MS is so bad at developing filesystems that they made SSDs a de facto standard to cope.
Which, ironically, was also of huge benefit to freetards, since it also compensates for btrfs' pitfalls.
>btrfs
This is still a thing? I thought Red Hat dropped it.
Yes, but mostly on desktops. RH dropped it so they don't have deal with its edge cases (which are basically non issues for home use).
The windoze implementation is slower than the ntfs3 linux driver.
the ntfs3 linux driver is wrong then
It's a competitive fight but me personally it's gotta be that core OS components and third-party additions are far too tightly coupled.
The very freedom it boasts of means no one has a consolidated idea and all projects take different directions, which is ultimately useless for mass adoption as a whole.
These:
Windows has an infinite advantage because project management for Linux is effectively non-existant besides getting a distro created, which everyone and their mother wants to do, then they do nothing special with it.
People bitch and bitch about Xorg being shit or Weyland being shit, but then nobody actually bands together to make something. This eternal turmoil is how Microsoft is able to stay in the lead, regardless of the pants-on-head retarded decisions they make.
This goes the other way, too. Nobody wants to make the complicated shit, but everyone wants to make the easy shit. Thats why there's a million package managers that nobody can choose from, and that barely differ from one another.
people did band together to make something. It was called Xorg. Then people decided it was shit and they banded together to make Wayland. People do band together to make things.
you can just use a different shell. but you need to keep it on your system because programs are written in bash.
Imagine being so fucking stupid you confuse a kernel that's had the same project lead for 30 years and attracts the top developers from every hardware maker on planet earth with an OS distribution that makes use of said kernel.
Ah, alright, please go explain that to the average desktop user, I'm sure they'll get it and switch instantly.
no usable DE
otherwise I find linux distros much comfier than post-xp windows
install xfce
When is that getting wayland support
Soon.
Never. god willing.
then when is xorg getting proper multi-display support
you dont need more than one monitor
that's some serious cope
I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry.
wayland have too many things not working in """window""" managers, kde is absolutely fine but too bloated and buggy
xorg is dead with security flaws
stuff like fractional scaling are just naggerlike in something like sway or naggerland, again it's completely stable and usable for a normal person in kde
>security flaws
like what?
Market share
Linux needs wine to be way better than it is currently.
The moment wine becomes so seamless you can't even tell it's there is the moment Linux will win.
Wine or something that replaces wine should work as good as Valve has proton working. Also if all distro's have Android apps working as ChromeOS has that might even be better for android normies.
No .exe equivalent
What is elf missing? Or is it the fact that Linux OSes expect you to distribute software in source form that you're annoyed with? That's a feature IMO.
There needs to be a singular form of software packaging that is distro-agnostic, easily allows running legacy versions and saving the installers, like an .exe
The current distro-agnostic solutions are either lacking or not seeing much use.
linux users
Assuming you mean Linux as in the GNU + Linux distros, it's because of the nature of (F)OSS. For example, GNOME didn't have thumbnails in the file picker until a few months ago (ticket was open for a decade and a half). "Devs" saying they care for the community, while they buttfuck everyone with their decisions (looking at you, Canonical). Projects are not guaranteed to get money, and some of the things don't work as well as they should. Also, many small projects which are good end up dead. On many distros, basic stuff which should have a working GUI (so normal people can use it) doesn't work / is buggy.
Then we have software incompatibility, drivers, etc.; these are not GNU + Linux (or any OS), but those who wrote it, incorporating things such as DRM, anti-cheat, and stuff like that. Problems which the Windows "power user" (aka script kiddie with le vidya) doesn't want to deal with.
The file picker is free software. If you want it to have thumbnails, why don't you add thumbnails? If your vision for Gnome is so much better than Gnome's, and users really want those features, surely they'd flock to your fork?
Why would anyone give a shit about "market share". Why do you want more people to use Linux? So you can have more annoying noobs asking stupid questions?
you don't understand what packages are, what they do, or what they are for. you don't understand what distros are or what they do. the whole point of distros (plural) is that they do things differently.
How the fuck is random anon supposed to maintain a fork of something as bloated and rapidly developed as gnome? Why is every solution to a FOSS problem "le code it yourself" when most people can't program and are simply requesting features that will sway them to actually use that software?
If it's such a widely-had problem, then _someone_ that agrees with you will be a programmer.
>when most people can't program
see above where I explain that the biggest problem with Linux is the endless sea of non-contributing leeches that think they have the right to demand things be done to satisfy them.
if you can't program, learn how to, or accept that decisions about how computers work will always be made by other people.
if you don't like your car, you have two choices: learn how to work on cars, or pick the car that is closest to matching what you want. you aren't entitled to demand that other people work on your car for free. you aren't entitled to demand that car manufacturers make a car to your specifications with exactly the features you want, all for free.
you can (1) pay someone to make Gnome the way you like it, (2) learn to program and make Gnome the way you like it, (3) pick something that suits you better (KDE solves all these problems people have with Gnome not being customisable enough, while still being a floating DE), or (4) shut up and accept the shit you get completely for free.
nobody in the world cares if you use their software.
>If your vision for Gnome is so much better than Gnome's, and users really want those features, surely they'd flock to your fork?
Yes. It's called Cinnamon.
>oh this problem or flaw right here? well too bad pal, it's not a bug, it's a feature. you don't need it anyway. why do you want it? make it yourself if you want it that much. *closes bug report as won't fix*
or you can just change DE and leave GNOME to rot as it should. Maintaining such huge codebase is difficult, and instead of changing it, for them to take the code and take credit, just change DEs. THAT is the problem of F(OSS), and is human nature. Now go back where you came from.
The market share idiots are 14 year olds that actually still believe people would like Linux if they just tried it/has it preinstalled. Newsflash, they have tried it and the market share reflects that it's garbage. Not only that, increasing from 1 to 3% has been entirely due to increased use of phones/tablets for browsing which aren't counted in the desktop stats.
hello, Debussy, still trying to shill gnome here?
Its logo. I hate this lazy fuck penguin. It instantly reminds me of fat fucks who can’t care for themselves, don’t shower, always smell like piss and cum and have no goal in life.
Linus Torvalds got bitten by a penguin in a zoo once and it infected him with Pinguinitis, look it up
GNUtards ruining backwards compatibility all the time, see
Also, GNUtards being unable to set sane defaults, forcing everyone to write their own config for everything and thus causing fragmentation
I just learn the defaults.
The only thing in my .inputrc is set bell-style none (leaving that on by default is admittedly insane.)
I'd say its biggest problem is that it's free.
Windows expats who think the biggest problems are that double clicking something in Gnome doesn't do what they expect.
Software support (No Kevin, WINE is not a replacement)
It doesn't come pre-installed on laptops and desktops from manufacturers such as HP and Dell. Then again, they'd probably make their own freedom hating distro's like Google did with Android and ChromeOS.
Dell makes laptops that come with Linux, they're just not in walmart and there's no money incentive to push them on normies.
Right now is the perfect balance. Only those in the know use linux, but enough of them do in such a way that means 99% of things have support for linux.
I would say the biggest problem is the lack of drivers and programs for the average consumer, but this will only be solved when linux reach at least 15% of market share, so having more programs and drivers is a consequence of having a good job somewhere else.
Starting resolving the problems described here maybe we reach the 15%.
Lack of drivers is self inflicted. Torvalds could make the driver ABI stable at any time instead of demanding 3rd parties hand over their source code like a dirty commie. AMD did it, and Apple stole that shit to make their own GPUs.
linux has better drivers than windows you retarded fagets
They're upset it doesn't support the 7 year old non-free app needed to reconfigure the lights on their Chinese RGB keyboard.
Many peripherals either have a shit driver or software that is only for Windows or iOS. And sometimes there is multiple generic software, bit it all has half the functions. Normal homosexuals just want it to werk.
Linux belongs on the virtual machine and to be virtualised or simply as kernel to power IoT botnets like router. Simple as.
BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
delusional redditor
agent BrightAsSun#666 please fix this bot, can't even form a coherent sentence
Linux IS NOT GOOD FOR VIDEOGAME YOU FUCKING naggerS
systemd
No kernel-level support for thumbnails in the file picker.
Red Hat and everything they produce.
There is no problem. I like it just the way it is.
Gayming is harder than it needs to be. Trying to get Cemu to run through proton with cheat engine was an absolute nightmare, it was buggy to all hell and I had to constantly restart my machine. Linuxtards will always immediately dismiss any valid criticism of it which is also why it will never get a decent market share.
Fragmentation
There's one singular Linux API, GNU implements the Posix API that exists everywhere, and both X11 and OpenGL is very portable.
What exactly is fragmented?
I will give one hint: focus on gaymes, unironically. I'm not a gaymer, but this is what lead the market is games.
What made MS-DOS reign over Apple is games. What made the technology progress was games. What made the technology known for normalfags was games.
Focus your OS for gamers. If gaymers are confortable using it, so the normalfag will be.
FOCUS IN THE FUCKING GAYMES!
Games work better on Linux these days. Wine is *very* good and not having telemetry and auto updates compete with the game for I/O bandwidth means it will load assets much faster.
> What is Linux' biggest problem
It is not MacOS
This. You shouldn’t have to use the command line ever, not even once.
>ga ga goo goo
Mis-mash of ideas with, seemingly, no thought of an overall design. Leads to an overflowing kitchen sink of interfaces and abilities.
Too beholden to compartively ancient concepts in OS design and failure to adopt better ideas that arose post-UNIX.
Mistaken believe that their processes produce quality when there are numerous examples demonstrating the opposite.
Performance over correctness issues in various places and stupid thinking about disconnect from user-land - a kernel is useless without the ability to use it.
But it can work and is very flexible and efficient at times but there can be many gotchas along the way. I say this from deploying it "in anger" on various systems used in demanding environments with strict performance, security and reliability concerns.
Big issue is desktop environments. They just feel wrong, bloated, they don't work smoothly, have compatibility problems. Why are MacOS and Windows so smooth? Because most of it is developed in house. Linux is a horse designed by committee, or rather multiple versions of one horse worked on by independent committees working seperately and releases their own versions with software from all over the ecosystem taped together. UNIX has this problem too but BSD is way less fragmented becasue less people are making it and it's a whole OS whereas Linux is just a standalone component.
degenerate community. whether it's pedos, transgenders or furries
whats wrong with furries? 🙁
They want to fuck animals
lack of positive male role model, same as the rest
how does that translate into wanting to fuck the rabbit from the disney movie
Gnome/GTK
too much reliance on GNU
also I want to be able completely remove bash and I can't
The way it doesn't try(enough) to be on the cutting edge on new standards and features, and hence not beating proprietary software vendors to the punch and letting them control how entire parts of computing works, like with video and image manipulation it's all Adobe garbage in the professional sphere, i wish more people would try to look to the horizon when developing
Its biggest appeal
A lot of stuff isn't properly tested. For example I use gamescope for HDR games and an update forces VRR which my surround recover doesn't support so the screen just goes black. I tried turning it off in the script but to no avail. and they don't have any way to message the dev.
Too many package managers which makes distributing your software a pain in the ass.
Too many distros that really do nothing other than divide what little userbase currently exists.
Open sores developers don't care about fixing actual issues.
Community is a fragmented trashpile. No one hates a Linux user more than another Linux user.
Linux's biggest problem is the same as it's biggest strength: there's no consensus on what "Linux" is or what it should be and yet it's treated as if it's a single thing when it's not even remotely.
Fragmentation.
You cannot make a functioning OS when the display server team if fighting against the DE team, the kernel team is fighting against the audio server, no centralized decision-making. the users demand X, the desktop team says that the kernel team should do this, the kernel team says it's display team's job, the display team say it can never be done for REASONS. Then a bearded man comes out and says "Stop using the drivers because the drivers are evil".
Android is a Linux system, it has no problems and widely adopted, samsung even paid for the professional software ports and Samsung Galaxy is a great competitor to the ipad pro for 2d art. Because Android is centralized, there's a chain of command that decides who does what and how in the end everything comes together and works.
Open sores community is like a bunch of cats nobody is even trying to herd they are just fighting, there's no organization, no direction, and no progress.
it functions for me and for millions of other people. why make up lies? nobody is fighting anyone. people are having technical discussions where they sometimes disagree. because Linux is built on freedom, rather than having to come to a single conclusion, people can freely try out their ideas and prove them in the world, and people will pick what actually works. This is much better in the long-run than a top-down design decision made by a Microsoft executive.
>display server team
>DE team
>kernel team
>desktop team
>the users
There are no teams. There are just people working on what they want to work on, the way they want to work on it, solving their own problems and problems they find interesting. The end result is a very good system.
>The end result is a very good system.
what system specifically are you talking about?
Because last time I booted into Ubuntu to run A1111 it was dogshit. A bare installation of Ubuntu with nothing else on it is suffering from freezes, and Firefox keeps crashing, the file manager lags, the system runs slow and unresponsive while being installed on an M.2 SSD.
Some time ago linux fanboys used to laugh at the smeary windows when the Windows Explorer would freeze, now it's worse, actually it has always been worse.
>muh very good system
Ubuntu is dogshit. So what? None of that happens on my system. It doesn't happen on my new desktop and it doesn't happen on my 10 year old laptop. I don't ruin Ubuntu on either as I am not a nagger.
Notice how you didn't name your system. Because you know that there's actually something wrong with your system too, you're just coping with it, or have an extremely rare edge use case nobody else has, so instead of saying it you pretend to be an all mysteryous gatekeeper rather than a lying autismal neckbeard.
do you want me to tell you every component in my computer and every program i have installed on it before i say that it works?
Wayland set back desktop linux by 20 years.
>Wayland set back desktop linux by 20 years.
X is fucking dead and buried. Nobody is working on X, nobody is fixing X, X will never be uodated.
Wayland came out 20 years too late.
And yet everybody uses X.
>And yet everybody uses X.
Almost nobody uses linux in the first place.
But when they do most new distros are shipping with Wayland as default and you need to go out of your way to shift into X so you could enjoy the screen tearing shitfest .
>Nobody is working on X, nobody is fixing X,
This also applies to Gayland
>yes, goyim, abandon mature technology and embrace ~~*gayland*~~ instead
none of those would have been a problem if redhat didn't want to suppress X
The ratio of leeches to developers has skyrocketed. Most Linux users now do nothing to contribute at all to their operating systems. They don't help newbies, they don't go to installfests, they don't write any code, they don't write documentation, they don't report bugs. At the most they might talk about Linux on web forums.
Well guess what dipshit, most windows users don't contribute to windows either. THE USER IS SUPPOSED TO USE, the attitute
>here's a bunch of shit you can try and make an os out of this if you want
is why it never took off.
USERS want a product, not a fucking project.
See google android, it's linux, it works, it's widely adopted and has the popular professional software on it, because Samsung developed a device with drivers, desktop server and all for it and then paid the company to port the soft and support it then sold the product to the users the users are happy.
if you don't like it, you aren't forced to use it. feel free to use Windows if you think it's better. nobody anywhere in the world cares what OS you use.
Linux users get nothing out of you choosing to use Linux. For people like me, it's more work because every additional non-contributing user is a drain on my patience. 1% of the time, users are curious and intelligent, and they figure most things out for themselves and ask smart questions when they are stuck. 99% of new users ask braindead questions that are answered in the first page of the manual.
This is the real problem. People think that by using Linux they're somehow doing its developers a favour. You aren't. Choose what you want. Nobody else cares what OS you use.
>because every additional non-contributing user is a drain on my patience
kek, preach brother.
There's isn't a multi-trillion dollar company promoting it's use in schools.
Lel. Linux is "owned" by multi-trillion dollar companies nowadays.
screentearing
no linux distro should screentear out of the box. unfortunately lightweight ones do
i never got the screentearing to stop even with a compositor
the users
Lack of Office 365. It's the only thing forcing me to keep using pajeetware.
Just use a browser anon
middle mouse button pastes instead of scrolls
ok babby duck
that its a steaming pile of dogshit which requires 30 hours of reading to do simple things that would have taken 30 seconds on Mac OS?
All the DEs suck. That and X11 dying and Wayland becoming the new thing is going to make DEs suck even more.
>That and X11 dying
X died 20 years ago.
X has always been dead. The problem is that the autismal community has been in denial of the problem for far too long and kept clinging onto a decaying corpse of an abandoned project rather than moving on until it was too long.
How can it be dead if I'm using it without issue?
>bad goyim, how dare you not use our ~~*solution*~~
how's the weather in Tel Aviv?
Great kernel. The GNU/Linux desktop's biggest problem is autistic application developers.
The israelites in charge can't profit from it and the extra security drives them MAD!
Poor OEM support.
I literally see no reason to transition over to linux. When the people who actually made the software are not the ones guaranteeing it. This how MS got so popular. They followed in IBM's footsteps, and provided first party support for institutions and other large customers. And when those people set out to buy a home computer, they bought what they knew from work. Microsoft DOS, Then Windows.
I truly wish there was a legitimate competitor to microsoft. Apple does not give a shit. They never have. And linux is too damn fragmented. I mean now it's better, but not by much. Linux support alone is extremely expensive. Especially in the enterprise space.
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>plug in scanner
>no scanner found
>flip switches replug things
>no scanner found
>sudo sane-find-scanner
>oh, yeah, there's a scanner there, it's got some bus errors though
>sudo usermod -a -G lp anon
>no scanner found
>edit /etc/saned/epsonds.conf to manually add the product id from lsusb
>no scanner found
>power cycle
>ok fine, there's a scanner there, you can access it, and we kind of know what it is
>okay, show me the help on it
>no scanner found
>power cycle, immediately run scanimage --help -d epsonds:usb:001:009
>here's the help
>scanimage
>no scanner found
>power cycle, update cmdline to epsonds:usb:001:010
>scanimage
>Corrupt JPEG data: 2214 extraneous bytes before marker 0xd1
>power cycle, update cmdline to epsonds:usb:001:011
>scanimage --mode Lineart --depth 1b -d epsonds:usb:001:011 > scan.pnm
>successfully acquired a shitty 1 bit black and white image
This is a scanner listed as completely supported by sane. This is the modal experience when anything doesn't quite work out on the first try in gnu/linux.
>waah. why are these unpaid devs not bending over backwards to get my scanner working.
Is linux shit because it's free or is it free because it's shit?
>because it's free
quite sure that some of those developers get neat donations and sponsorships
Who are you quoting?
That everyone who knows what they are doing with computers uses linux for everything important...
But the masses are too fucking stupid and will use whatever is installed on their computers by default.
reddit post
people treating it like windows. its a kernel.
yeah, yeah, and
>wayland is a protocol
guess what, neither one works at the end of day
Google and Windows double penetrating it.
Users
it's users
Community full of retards with autism and huge ego
SystemD
Relying too much on the wiki (wich is most of the times is written like shit) instead of making things work the easy, fast, intuitive and simple way
Lack of latest hardware and software support or it just doesn't work like it should
Just use the command line mentality
Way too many developers developing redundant software full of bugs and unfinished instead of working together and getting shit done
Too much latency when playing games and barely no mod support
Nvidia drivers on Linux sucks
They keep breaking things for no reason. Open source developers like vanity projects like wayland, systemd, gnome and gtk3 which fix no real problems but cause massive headaches for end users.
I can fix all the problems I have with Linux.
I can't with macOS.
I barely have any problems on Windows, but in some areas it is inferior to Linux.
That's why I have Linux + Windows on my PC, and can't wait until I switch to a job where they don't force me to use macOS.
microsoft paying gnomohomos to sabotage linux on desktop
I use Arch btw so I have always liked Linux. Everything "just works" and wiki is nice. I tested "is Linux good" with my dad. I didn't instruct he in any way and wasn't even present when he did all of this. He did create usb drive with Ubuntu LTS, installed it and get even into desktop. His English is good enough. He even installed gpu drivers with installer and toggled automatic security updates. Installed Google Chrome (I didn't like that but its his pc).
There is a list that isn't working as default:
>hardware acceleration in video players, browser or in anywhere
>widevine is missing or broken (i have no idea, because I don't use stream services)
>google meet works but teams was broken
>display switching to tv with hdmi was broken
>installation did spam "ubuntu crashed" or something even when everything (according to my dad) did look ok
>if you open gtk dialog and switch virtual desktop, sometimes whole Gnome crashes and "starts as new session" but videos audio is playing in background
>moving/copying files process bar is inaccurate and when "finished" it is actually still doing the moving/copying
>if you open too many tabs and watch video and ram usage is 90-100%, system just crashes instead of just freezing one program for 30 seconds (I tested this in Arch and even with zram, swap and oom killers I can't create combination where ram management works like in Windows)
>dark mode is qually bas as in Windows, so 30-60% of the dialogs and applications are still white
Even is Arch I had to modify Firefox/Librewolf with config file, userChrome.css, about:config, two addons, settings and random environment variables and flags, so it stops doing white flashes in situations where it loads or refresh a page, changing tabs etc.Then using all of that also fix white addon menus and new tab background as well. Still once a month I see ome new white thing and have to fix it. I hate that Linux has only two consistent themes: Breeze and Adwaita (and their dark variants). All of the other ones are always that "this looks good, oh it is only for kvantum, oh it is only for qt5 and gtk2 but not for gtk3" etc.
Btw my Librewolf did freeze and crash during writing this and I had to screenshot this message and write this end part again. Same happened in Chromium browsers too. It is probably some bug in Fcitx5 and some programs where I write too long or something. Btw, all of this is "normal distro" with "normal DE". In my Arch + Hyprland, almost 30-50% of things is bugged, everything crashes 2-3 times a day and games lag even with gamescope etc. But I still use it because I like potential of this. Also in my setup my audio just goes silent 2 times a day but pulseaudio shows bar going back and forth so audio actually "works" but just doesn't play in my headphones. This is "fixed" by changing audio profile to something and back to original.
Of course this is less problems that I had in Windows and macOS (these are commonly just reinstalled, fixed by relatives or they take computer to some expensive shop) but I dream about a day where all just works.
linux is bad because different people make different programs that do similar things and they should be forced at gunpoint to collaborate instead and do everything my arbitrary way
/g/, reddit and trannies.
As a newbie user of linux (5-6 mounths) with no old guard bias, and before I say harsh things I want to preface that I actually really like linux and intend to stick to it.
>Lack of interest from software developers
Sadly the single biggest adversarial death spiral.
Not many people use linux => Software devs don't consider making their shit work on linux => You need to have a lot of patience and technical know-how to run basic shit.
In case of adobe or other AAA games and software, trying to run a lot of things is a crapshoot.
If linux wants wide adoption it has to somehow get over the hurdle of "have shit work out of the box"
>The community sucks and isn't very centralised
Linux has a rightful reputation of having a community of techbro fags with fragile egos and smugness. This also extends to linux coverage.
I don't know how to really get this across but a lot of linux users, both random redditors and public figures have a LOT of disdain for people who don't want to be a geeksquad worker in their spare time, which personally put me off for a long while.
Let me put it this way, when linux fanboys pitch the system, it sounds like this:
WOWZA LINUX IS A FOSS GNU LICENESED FREE SOFTWARE WITH LOTSA PRIVATE SECURITY TO FIGHT THE CORPO-GORBO, ALSO IT CAN BE VERY HIGHLY CUSTOMISED TO DO SHIT YOU ALREADY DO, AND BTW HAVE I MENTIONED I USE ARCH??
When I do it, I go:
It boots faster and eats less idle resources. here try this one which runs out of the box (mint). Have fun!
Also personally having no discord server and having to run to forums for every issue is a headache.
TL;DR
Shit doesn't work without dedicating your life tinkering with it once you go past just using it to do granny-level computer stuff, and people who would offer tech support and advice are too busy jerking off about knowing they can do it.
reddit post
>t. midwit who got filtered by package manager and config file
Nvidia, the most popular GPU manufacturer in the world, is an absolute horror show on linux, the best I found was pop_os which since 22.04 now seems to have some weird memory/cpu issue with 4gb on idle and random spikes to 100%
it was otherwise the best of a bad bunch.
AMD is better but the hardware they make is actual shit. They jumped on pluton first which tells you all you need to know about them.
Linux is misery on anything but dogshit HW or basic internet/video usage where an igpu will suffice.
Bugs that have sat unfixed since I first tried using it in 2010.
Inability to customize UIs for all DEs except tiling DEs.
Completecand utter lack of documentation for the same where it exists.
Lack of backwards compatability, and apparently no intent to ever have it.
Absolutely no way to ever standardize and simplify locations of executables, configuration files, and shared libraries. Alternately, no standard for programs to follow which eases customization of these things for individual programs... iirc symlinks work but are hacky.
No standard for naming, locating, or calling different versions of shared libraries on the same install; and apparently no attempt to ever do so.
Hardcore nerd self-absorbtion in UI design for art programs: "I know C, graphic designer, therefore my opinion is not just morally superior but also correct due to my identity."
No way to unfuck or customize retarded packaging configurations, requirement chains, or presets on Debian based distros.
No one has filed FOIA requests on US govt employee records for Lennart Poettering.
The lack of a C compiler dedicated to the safest code possible.
No fully automated with smart presets compile everything from source distro for ricing, degugging, and easier customization.
Constant forking instead of fucking fixing issues.
Lack of work saving tools for forking.
Sleepy now...
Developers that huff their own farts and refuse to make basic obvious quality of life changes.
Such as?