seriously what does having game look like? I know I cant just approach with bland questions but how would approaching while having fame look like?
what is having game?
seriously what does having game look like? I know I cant just approach with bland questions but how would approaching while having fame look like?
It looks like a supermodel. Game doesn't exist.
I have been told by a cute girl I could model because my face is so pretty, doesnt mean shit when you live in a enviroment where 95% of women hate asian men and want a country boy.
>not pulling zoomer loop pussy
I mean it's your own fault. You got to play to the crowds.
kek she was gaslighting you, you ugly fucking zoomshit
gaslighting me for what , she actually a dated a regular looking short guy and was not a Chad only girl.
>You look like a model. You'll make some girl happy someday.
>Not me though, I just happen to date a 6'2" Chad
Women literally only chat with me on anonymous chat website.
same and they can be fun to chat with. r.i.p. omegle.
There are alternatives. Girls are typically only there from ages 14-20. Eventually they realize that their sexual market value is renders these websites irrelevant.
>There are alternatives
maybe not reveal all your cards, but can i get a peak?
>>Not me though, I just happen to date a 6'2" Chad
he explains that her bf was a regular short dude
Wrong, Chads can talk about raping chlidren and get laid so Chads dont have game. Game is where you charm a foid into liking you through verbal manipulation and body language. For some reason stupid men instinctively know game but smarter men have no game so basically will never have sex unless they look good.
why is it that the smart ones lack game, I mean women have told me I sound like Woody Allen.
Smarter men are too into romance so have shit game. Let me make this easy to understand do not ever be nice if you want to game a woman, you must be smooth, manipulative, send their stupid brain into hurdles, confuse them, leave them begging to see you again, and make it clear they dont mean shit to you.
I feel like this slots into my theory here.
. The smarter you are the more you plan and think about the future. Thinking about the future leads to talking about the future, which leads to conversation that more or less solicits investment into an uncertain future outcome. It's entirely rational for people to be skeptical about a pitch like this.
People don't want to bet their futures on promises, they want to bet their futures on a history of past results.
>Stupid men instinctively know game
Not true, look at indians
you can still learn game. some of what pickup artists have said in the past definitely works. Not specific lines or anything but behaviors you should adhere to. >trips
This. Salesmen arent real either, people just automatically know what they want to buy
This.
Salesmen were failure of past logistic/supply chains. Amazon has no salesmen, walmart has no salesmen etc. There is no salesmen anywhere
The only time anyone even uses the word salesman anymore is when indian incels try to shill their retarded pua books or twitter as GOD figure but then don't provide any specifics when asked for any details or real life examples.
This. There are no ads for amazon products. There are never walmart ads. Salesmen and marketing teams haven't existed in centuries.
This. There are no door to door people walking up to try to tell you to buy every single bullshit pin from amazon. There are no people on the street stopping you to tell you about pack of chips directly from them. People cannot be convinced by salesmen which is why they haven't existed in centuries anywhere outside incel fantasies, like yours.
and how is this related to initial point? where in your link is anything about game or women? there's nothing there, you're changing topic into something irrelevant.
this. people have never enjoyed or despised a conversation with anyone else.
>someone mentions game
>other person mentions salesmen
>entire discussion switches to just meandering slogans
>no one ever mentions anything about actual speaking or contact with women
every time
ask someone to write out and describe ideal "game" or how is this salesmen supposed to get a gf from scratch
This. There's absolutely nothing that you could ever say to someone random that would make her fall in love with you. There is no game or magical set of words, gestures or tone of salesman to some random bitch working the register to make her go out with you.
It's not related at all. Show me which part of your link shows "game". There is nothing in there about it
>Either go out and live a life worth talking about or lie about it
There is no life to be lived anywhere, you don't get to interact with women or do anything anymore. Nothing happens, nothing to tell.
You're out here saying sales representatives don't exist when I provided evidence that they do. People can be convinced to do shit they wouldn't have based on a social interaction.
It's clear that I'm replying to an artificial intelligence. There's shit you can say that people like, and shit you can say that people don't like. All this is very demonstrable and obvious. Only a machine stuck in a loop could possibly disagree with something so apparent.
You're out here bringing up salesman in a completely irrelevant discussion for no reason out of nowhere.
There isn't absolutely anything that you could say to someone that will make them like you.
You have to rely on banal phrases because when push comes to showe and you get pressed to actually imagine what would this imaginary salesman say to this woman, there's nothing. The fact you obsess over AI and have to rely on these kitsch phrases unrelated to real life situations shows you're an autistic. Where is this demonstrated example of a guy salesmanning into a relationship? There isn't one.
This. Words are useless. Nobody can even speak the same language, you just look at people
This. Words cannot ever make some random cash register girl fall in love with a random customer, her understanding the language means nothing.
This. There's no such thing as reading comprehension
It's related to the post I am replying to, dumbass.
You don't have to lie, you just have to have some stories worth telling. Either go out and live a life worth talking about or lie about it.
Uh... dude?
https://www.amazon.jobs/en/job_categories/sales-advertising-account-management
Salesmen are on the verge of extintion because of how ineffective they are
they use actual gigachads as salesmen now for these phone and cable companies. they send them out to long term subscribers who try to cancel their plans. guy was like an 11/10, it was fucking hilarious standing next to him. he was sitting with my mom like they've been friends their entire life. i dont like this reality too much, even your job is based on the way that you look.
I've seen them using young women more than anything and they still fail on average
What?
If social skills mattered, then couples would break up. Its all just halo effect
I get this autistic logic you're using, but even if your behavior had a 0% impact (it obviously doesn't), it would still be plausible that a woman would break up with her current bf every time she found a more attractive man willing to date her.
its probably catered to the persons gender. have you ever talked to an 11/10 woman? it can be hard to say no to anything. its basically scamming, they're abusing our animal desires for their profit.
I talked to a cute girl from a telecom company a few weeks ago. She was bored with the job and ended talking about college and how she wanted to study a industrial design, she didn't push the telecom thing anytime after the first minute
>If things is key for the first times why people end breaking up?
People don't know each other when they meet, all the first interactions are influenced heavily by the halo effect.
People start really knowing each other after months or even years.
Those are two very different stages
how cute what she? was she actual giga giga stacy tier? like the 11/10 people? like, the people who look even better than the famous models.
She was more like a cute next door girl you would ask for prom if you were an American in a HS romcon
>very different stages
If halo effect was all that mattered, then couples would never break up. If you are saying there are people who are too retarded to even make a first impression on someone in their league, then yeah they obviously deserve to be alone and they would probably believe that social skills arent real. Like if I shit my pants all day I would say toilets arent real
I'm saying that looks are the key to the first meetings. There's no lookmatch shit as selfperception isn't objective
No game shit works, it's a selfhelp scam.
It doesn't works like you pretend that's why you end on such a retarded example
>there's no lookmatch
then why are practically all couples looksmatched? why is almost everyone in your social circle looksmatched?
>selfhelp scam
your an retard. just because numerology exists, doesn't mean math is a scam.
>then why are practically all couples looksmatched? why is almost everyone in your social circle looksmatched?
They aren't and if they were that would imply that looks are important even at the long term
scam
>your an retard. just because numerology exists, doesn't mean math is a scam.
Everyone can do a^2+b^2=c^2 and use it by themselves with the same results for every rectangular triangle .
Unlike game, game is like astrology
>they arent
Retard alert. How many obese runners are there in runner communities? Looks are important, but they dont make you special. Literally anyone can get a girlfriend based on looks alone. The blackpill cope is that you will never be at the top of the social hierarchy in terms of looks, which is about as pathetic as wishing to be a king or rock star and then becoming depressed over it.
>game is like astrology
No. You are a clown. You think PUA invented the concept of game because thats how you were introduced to it, since you are terminally online. Game is just a form of street smarts or aptitude or any other autistic phrase you want to use for relating to people. People who relate, have relationships. The existence of successful sociopaths and failed normies is 100% the story of game and relateability. Not all failed normies are deformed burn victims, not all sociopaths are supermodels
You have just given the reason to looksfags with your first answer.
I'll tell you the truth: The woman is usually more ugly
>stree smart shit
Living in a neighbourhood full of dealers that say that shit when they're broke because they're addicts themselves and other hustlers will never stop making me laugh
>only drug dealers can network with other people
Are you mentally ill
>I think men are hotter than women on average
Bet.
Anyway to the people that actually matter, couples are usually looksmatched. The only rare exceptions are trauma based or transactional
You don't make sense, this guy is right
Ciao
If he is right about shilling then you are conceding that game exists. Shilling a cult is just game for spiritual women
You're arguing with a dishonest shill trying to get a rise out of you if you haven't already noticed.
Even the numerals agree by gifting me quints
Making them be engaged in the convo. Idk what it looks like
what is a good topic not to appear either boring or stalky or desperate?
The most consistent tactic I've found is to tell stories about the past. People love storytelling.
Boring is what happens when you talk about the present. By definition, your day to day life can't be remarkable or exceptional.
Stalky/desperate is what happens when you talk about future plans. Any future plans convey a motive for future action, and those motives might be ulterior. You want to sound like you've lived a cool life and done cool things before meeting the person. You couldn't possibly have ulterior motives, since you're capable of doing the things you want without them. A sufficiently charismatic person will make people want to participate in future events based on how great the past events sound.
What if i have nothing cool to say? Do i just lie about having funny stories
You can link up with BPDemons by telling stories about past trauma and bad shit happening to you, so long as you're out of that situation now. This communicates future value in the sense that you've seen the bad side of life/humanity and are (theoretically) better equipped to either avoid it or not repeat the same bad behaviors of others.
The bar for what counts as "Cool" is a hell of a lot lower than you might think. Most people are living lives totally devoid of any meaningful activity or experiences. I've got no idea what your life's been like, but I've managed to tell long ass stories about buying cool shit at yard sales.
I am 23 and i have 0 fun experiences from the past because i've always been home playing vidya and watching porn
So you start making some experiences now and talk about how much time you used to spend on video games. That tracks a lot better in 202X than it used to, especially if you're out doing shit now. Most dudes, even normies are still glued to Warzone.
Game is basically 95% attractiveness and 5% charisma. I say charisma since you could luck out if you are some Jack Black or Kevin Hart type of dude, but that almost always involves jestermaxxing. Basically typical social monkey bullshit thats just nothing but constant gaslighting anyways.
Here is a little blackpill for you anon, literally everyone lies. Keep the lie short and keep the lie simple. Whole fucking planet runs on that kind of thing.
>literally everyone lies
Reality is that you can't get the best outcomes exclusive telling "The truth". I'm not even sure you can consider yourself a good person if you aren't willing to manipulate people you care about into doing things that are good for them.
There's tons of people out there with a couple thousand in credit card debt that they're paying interest on. If you told them that they could call a different bank and transfer that balance to a 0% card they would be skeptical. Sounds too good to be true, what's the catch? However, if you said "I had a buddy who got hurt on the job and had to use credit cards to get by, and he taught me this trick. Turns out the banks are always trying to fight each other for customers, and you can just transfer your debt to a different credit card and get 0% interest. It's kind of like how you can switch car insurance or Internet service providers and get the new customer prices every couple years."
Totally manipulative. That "Buddy" doesn't exist. Doesn't matter, I helped a few friends get out of credit card debt that way. It wouldn't have happened if I just told them the "Truth". They needed to hear a story about someone who successfully used the technique and got a good result from it, rather than just relying on a promise that it would work for them.
To follow up, yeah you can lie about shit pretty easily. It's much easier to exaggerate than it is to outright lie, but you'd be actually shocked how far you can go off some of the most brazen lies/exaggerations imaginable.
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Yes, this is a 2 hour long video essay, but it's worth a passive listen. It chronicles how Tommy Tallarico's entire career and achievements were based entirely on ridiculous, easily disproven lies, yet it didn't matter. He built up a massive career and runs (ran?) a successful concert series off those lies. It just doesn't matter.
The reason it doesn't matter is because he doesn't directly lie about the present or the future, only the past. People cannot detect an ulterior motive or any ill will because they aren't being asked for an investment. They aren't being implicitly promised a future or asked for an investment with those lies, so it doesn't bother them.
I don't know what it looks like, but I am pretty sure it smells like bullshit.
It involves some things that are hard to describe
Being playful, even doing banter and lightly mocking
Not appearing to be needy
Being bold, insinuating your desire for her
Keeping her interest in the convo, genuinely asking about her and naturally talking about yourself too
Putting you two in a position of "we are on the same team"
If she reciprocates, she will put you in a position of leadership of shorts. Game also involves leading - ex: what do we do now anon? - here, lets do X - or saying let me think instead of vacilating or saying uhhmm I dont know - let me think shows decisiveness, I dont knows you are a clueless dunce
Surprising her, leading her into an emotional journey, introducing new experiences to her - ex: hey lets go this way, you said you like antiques right? I know a good antique store over the block
Being yourself, not in the sense of being a loser if you are a loser (if you are a loser, quit being a loser before starting being yourself), but in the sense that you are not doing things to impress her or other people, being unapologetically you
knowing what to say and do in the right moment. Good decision making. Basically high charisma in fallout and hitting all speech checks.
Game, rizz, pickup lines, etc. are just made-up myths invented to make ugly guys think that the dating system is fair and meritocratic and that the only reason why they get rejected is their lack of personality.
It's complete BS, an attractive guy could literally say anything to a girl and still fuck her the same day.
cute guys usually have attractive tone to their jest and dont sound like theyre interrogating you.
No they don't. You only think they do because they're attractive. If another guy talked the exact same way with the only difference being that he's ugly, you'd perceive him as creepy/pussy/whatever adjective you came up with at the time to rule out undesirable men without feeling bad about it
Maybe they don't seem to be interrogating you because you don't treat their presence like that of an interrogator? Women make it very easy to talk to them if they find you attractive, and if they think you're ugly they'll just stonewall you with short responses and force you to carry the conversation entirely.
That's called halo effect. If they weren't physically attractive they would fail
This is why couples never break up. Women only have a body count of 1 at most
Pick up lines are supposed to make you look interesting when you about to spit game to a woman. You cant just get a girl with a pick up line unless your Chad but that also means you could say gibberish to them and still fuck them.
lol youre fucking pathetic
game is literally when you just socialize like a normal fucking human but this concept is lost on men who weren't born beautiful enough to be oversocialized so they don't understand how straightforward it actually is.
Tons of guys just socialize with foids and get friendzoned so not game sorry. Imagine two guys flexing their dicks only their dicks are speech and body language that is game. You gottta build up a vibe to pull it off though which is why morons have game they tend to have a vibe to them, smart guys got no vibe so have no game unless they are psychopaths.
well the guys who get friendzoned went through the trouble of neutering themselves to appear inoffensive and palpable enough to become a long-term deal, unlike men who go for a short-term hookup right off the bat or at least show overt romantic interest. yes, i agree that you gotta build up a vibe though. otherwise there will nothing to go on and no passion.
Idiots have game because they are closer to children, like women, so they have a better understanding usually off what makes them interesting to them. Also not giving a shit about social norms and not being petrified of breaking them helps.
"Game" is just what keeps a guy from seeming "boring" to a childish foid.
Women dont think like chlidren at all, you are confusing a selfish sociopath with a child. A little boy coudl talk to a non pedo woman and she would think AWW I WANNA JUST HUG HIM in mommy style not DAMN THIS KID IS SO HOT.
I know what to do, but i lack the confidence. Any tips?
nofap for a week; 1 or 2 shots before talking to women; 5-12mg of zinc; biting the bullet and just approaching women despite being anxious
pick one
Unironically the cure for my social anxiety in college was just mixing caffeine and alcohol. I suddenly realized I knew how to tell stories and remembered how funny or confident people handle any situation
Step 1: Be attractive
Step 2: Look and talk to them like you're stroking to them mid conversation
Careful. If you skip step 1, doing step 2 will make her label you a creep. If you skipped step 1 and avoid bothering women, you will also be labelled a creep
Attractive guys dont have game they auto soak women
On a macro level this is a beautiful display of game.
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Btw I think incels get hung up on the first step
>demonstrate value
They correctly realize that Chad's value is his looks. What they don't understand is that women value other things other than looks too. It could be status, wealth, or charisma. The reason you can go to SEA and slay is because your value is your skin color. Much like Chad you demostrate value passively in the form of status and wealth. A more active approach to demonstrating value would be humor and engaging story telling. Basically jestermaxxing.
>A more active approach to demonstrating value would be humor and engaging story telling. Basically jestermaxxing.
Nowhere near as effective as good looks and you end up just being entertainment. these people make wonderful friends to women unless they pass a certain looks threshold. if you passed it already, you wouldn't need to be funny in the first place. would you get good looking girls without the humor? probably not, but still passable to cute.
Except that without looks you will never get an opportunity to ever speak to women so you can't humor or tell any stories, not that you'd even have any stories to tell being a 30 yo virgin who has never gotten a chance to go to a party.
Yes you can. You establish male friend circles. Those friends will have girlfriends. Those girlfriends have friends. You should then be put in many situations to display your value. Also, hobbies allow you to connect with women.
As for lack of stories, make shit up. Study what makes a good short story. Learn the formula and make it up. Preferably it would be a story that subtly highlights your positive traits without coming off as bragging.
The men are all incels. Women do not have any hobbies, they only ever spend time alone watching netflix or in their friends house doing the same. Men do not ever get any chance to display their value anywhere anymore because women don't ever go anywhere that men can get to say anything to them.
There is nothing that makes a good story, there is no formula to it. There's no formula so you have nothing to make up. Go ahead, try to write one right now. You can't do it.
Plenty of things make good stories. There's decades of green texts that have made it to the hall of fame that you could pull inspiration from. It's totally asinine to say that there's nothing in particular that separates a good story from a bad one. There's plenty of evidence to support that some stories attract lots of attention and others don't.
Crazy shit you've seen, times lucky things have happened, shit you've gotten away with. Those tend to be the most intriguing.
See you didn't write one, there is no formula or anything to make up.
There is no crazy shit you've seen, nothing happens because you don't have the looks to come into contact with women in the first place to ever experience anything. It's totally asinine to to say there is a formula because then everyone would follow it. There is no evidence there's anything you could ever make anything up that is both a good story and makes you look good and you have a formula of making them up, especially in situations where you cannot ever come into contact with women to even say anything.
I am not going to write something that you'll just shit on and say it's no good. You've crafted a game state that unfalsifiable, allowing you to retreat into your preconceived notion.
People make shit up all the time. There are countless examples of green text stories with hundreds of thousands of views. Tabletop RPG horror stories about weirdos can reach views over a million views. Plenty of evidence supporting the fact that there's demand for stories about wacky events from the lives of ordinary people.
Yeah, it's a lot easier to exaggerate than it is to completely fabricate something, that's why you go out and have a couple experiences yourself. What I did was exaggerate my yard sale/thrift store finds, as well as the profit made from reselling them. If you watch TV shows like storage wars you can get an idea as to which kind of exotic items are collectible/valuable. Just claim you found similar shit.
You can make casual contact with women by working in places that hire women. Schools, hospitals, offices. Shit like that.
>You can make casual contact with women by working in places that hire women. Schools, hospitals, offices. Shit like that.
They are still Chad only. I've done this exact thing as I worked at these places and the results are the same. People are people and the heavier less attractive girls were ignored, while all the dudes bent over backwards for the hot ones. Life is a beauty contest, anon.
Never said it wasn't a beauty contest. Only ever refuted the asinine notion that storytelling and fiction is impossible. That and the idea that it's impossible to locate women to talk to and tell stories to.
Both of those things are clearly true. You can argue that it's not effective at achieving a specific end goal, but you can't argue that it's impossible to even find someone to talk to.
Literally just go on YouTube and look up RPG Horror stories. There's mountains of evidence that storytelling exists, and that people will listen to it for fun. I gave a specific examples of what things make a good story.
>Women hate being bothered by customers while working, it's a known fact.
Dude, you shoot the shit with your coworkers. Stories about the last job. Stories about the crazy homeless dude that spread his shit all over the bathroom and drew a swastika with his poop on the mirror. Laugh at the fact that the janitors had their hours cut by management, and then the manager had clean the shit himself.
You're literally arguing that it's not possible to make up interesting stories, that interesting fiction can't exist. You're beyond saving.
Crazy people, fortunate circumstances, sticking it to the man, getting away with shit. Those are prime storytelling real estate.
Sorry but if lying to women is the only way to get them to like me I'd rather stay alone than build a relationship upon dishonesty
You realize you have to kill to win a war and hurt someone else to win a fight right? Nevermind, enjoy being an incel loser doormat for the rest of your life homosexual lol
>if you don't murder people you're a loser
You need to be locked up.
Whatever fag, give me your lunch money and your bussy and you won't get hurt.
>you can't argue that it's impossible to even find someone to talk to.
very true i agree 100 percent, just that they probably won't give a shit or ignore you. you can say genuinely insightful and funny things to them, but they won't react positively. women don't like giving unnatracive men anything that could be misunderstood so they will not be guine. it's not even just a woman thing, but a people thing in general. more than enough dudes react the same to unnatracive women. trying to build something when you're already behind is a wasted effort when the end results will be poor anyway. here's a vid that talks about what im saying about a guy who's not even ugly and how his words and actions suddenly earned merit from a change in appearance https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_-W50PBpwCM . i encourage you to listen to it, it's pretty interesting imo.
>wasted effort
If living your life, going places, doing things, and making memories constitutes "Effort" then you've got other problems that need addressing. Not trying to be a cock; depression and shit is real.
You go do shit because it's fun. You tell stories because it's fun. You do enough shit that's fun with others and you might find someone of the opposite sex that wants to continue having fun. Sometimes that social dynamic turns sexual or romantic, most of the time it doesn't.
You need to interact with people and get them to listen to your stories. If you're so ugly that it makes them uncomfortable then that's great. They deserve to be uncomfortable for being judgemental pricks. There can be a cathartic joy in making nasty people uncomfortable. They have to sit there and be polite, because social norms dictate it.
did you even watch the video? i never said anything about enjoying your life nor did he. all i said is that it's wasted effort trying to chat up women thinking that it will go anywhere and end up frustrated.
> If you're so ugly that it makes them uncomfortable then that's great. They deserve to be uncomfortable for being judgemental pricks
it's not bro, it's not fucking great at all and incredibly depressing. clearly you don't have this issue otherwise you wouldn't even say this sarcastically.
>They have to sit there and be polite, because social norms dictate it.
Again, not true at all. You have zero experience in this department, not a shot at you btw. They don't have to sit there and listen, you are usually cut short and left alone with some bs excuse.
>i never said anything about enjoying your life nor
meant to say anything about NOT enjoying your life, my bad.
You didn't have to say anything about enjoying life. You called basic socialization "Wasted effort". As in, the shit mentally healthy people do for fun is something that requires effort for you. That's the problem, you need to get yourself into a position where basic socialization isn't effort.
It's only as depressing as you let it be. Right now it sounds like you're miserable. I was there once too. I wanted people to like me, and I got the stink eye. Felt bad. That all changed when I reached a breaking point and decided that I no longer cared if they were uncomfortable. They were gonna sit there and listen to my dumbass stories and be uncomfortable. I didn't care if they didn't like me, because they had already prejudged based on my looks. That game wasn't winnable. Good-hearted people wouldn't be uncomfortable, they'd treat me like a human being.
>usually cut short and left alone with some bs excuse.
Yeah, that will happen. What I did was keep pressing on a friendly way. "I've gotta go" gets responded with "You sure? Alright man, it's been great. I'll catch ya next time". It felt good to have social influence over them for a change.
NTA but I can't imagine being so much of a doormat you'd spend your time trying to entertain people who hate you. Sounds way more miserable than being alone.
It is more miserable than being alone. Problem is that being alone is still miserable. You can get caught in a nasty trap where you're miserable alone, try to come out and change things, and then take social penalty for your effort. You consume some podcasts about determination, decide to keep trying, keep subjecting yourself to social misery, all while doing your best to make others comfortable, even if they're just jerks that you're subjugating yourself to.
It only became enjoyable for me once I stopped trying to appeal to them. If they looked uncomfortable, I was happy. They deserved to feel this way. I'm sure they hated me, but they would have hated me anyway.
Eventually I found folks that didn't behave this way. I wasn't alone, and I was able to filter away the jerks.
>You called basic socialization "Wasted effort
well for some people it is, anon. just like a lot of people go to clubs and hate them and see them as a waste of money. there are some who have the absolute time of their life in these environments. i have a buddy who loves going out because socializing is effortless and people try to chat him up and hold his attention. you don't have to go out and talk to others fighting for their attention to be happy in life. just like having a gf in life isn't a one way ticket to completing yours unlike what people here may think. i know dudes who are also frustrated/depressed with their significant others.
I know that it feels that way. That's why the first step is to get to a place where it doesn't feel that way.
Why do that when i can be happy by myself or occasionally hanging out with friends? we only have so much time in oir lives anon, a low return on a high investment is dumb.
Not every post is about you. If you're genuinely happy being alone, then why engage with discussion tailored for those who aren't happy being alone?
why not? doing this shit is fun. i can't hang with my mate at the moment, so im just chilling here and enjoying some music.
Because that would be wasted effort, my dude.
is time spent having fun really all that wasted? people spends tons of money to enjoy themselves, im lucky enough to be a simple guy.
Wouldn't it be great if social interaction felt this way too? You could have fun in any situation around other people.
it would be great, but my people aren't available at the moment. we're just using each other right now to pass the time and have a good one.
>You go do shit because it's fun. You tell stories because it's fun.
what if i'm just not a fun guy, what if i don't enjoy things considered fun because they usually end up being more draining than worth it?
The bar for fun is low. People are boring. If you don't like other people then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe an intimate relationship with another person won't make you happy.
Please try to discuss in good faith if you're going to post at all. I've given examples, you've completely ignored them.
Crazy people, fortunate circumstances, sticking it to the man. These kinds of stories are consistently appreciated by most people. You can build very strong rapport and camaraderie by exchanging stories about the most recent ridiculous customer you had to deal with.
>I've given examples, you've completely ignored them.
YOU DIDN'T!
There wasn't any formula or any example of salesmen/woman interaction or anything. Tell us what exatcly in your head ideal interaction between a customer and a cashier looks like. Describe this game and this story that makes her like you and go out on a date with you. I'm very interested in what exactly is this formula you keep claiming exsits because It's 4 hours of you moving goalposts in bad faith without any formula for good story. You're not writing out this formula because you know there isn't one and you'd look retarded trying to come up with one. "Crazy people" is not formula, it doesn't make you look good or make this girl go out with you. It's just a noun an adjective and a noun, that's not a formula.
You don't have conversation with people on the clock. I'll recall one from when I was clocking out at Walmart.
I'll spoon-feed your dumbass. A is you, B is them.
A: "You would not believe what Mike tried to pull last night"
B: "Yeah? What did he do"
A: "You know how he started having the janitors go home 2 hours before closing because the store is dead? Well an hour before close some psycho went into the bathrooms and just shit all over the place. All over the floors, drawing with his shit on the mirror, it was a total disaster. He tried to pull me in and make me clean it."
B: "Wow, fuck that. What did you do?"
A: "I told him I hadn't been given the Haz-Mat training, so he'd have to go find someone else."
I was telling a story about human shit, but because it was about crazy people, sticking it to the man, and getting out of cleaning the mess the story was appreciated. We started sharing stories about management and ridiculous customers we encountered. One day we both had to work on New Year's until midnight and missed any kind of party that would have happened otherwise. When we were clocking out right at midnight, I said something along the lines of "Well, we missed new year. Wanna go do something anyway?"
I got my "Yeah, sure". stayed up late, slept at her place. Went official shortly thereafter.
It's really that simple. Find the kinds of stories people like and then tell them.
AGAIN this IS NOT A FORMULA
>You don't have conversation with people on the clock
Exactly, so you cannot meet women. You cannot ever get to speak to them so even if there was a formula, you would never get to speak to them to tell it.
>changed topic again
There is no formula. You keep saying all this bullshit instead of writing out the actual making up story formula you lied about existing in original post and you just keep doubling down.
Don't try to use retarded metaphors, focus on what's actually going on
>There is a formula for making up stories that make people like you
>write it out
>There isn't one
In your post
>The meme formula depends on the person you are talking to
I described to you specifically the person you are supposed to use the formula on, you just dipped instantly.
It IS just looks. If there was a formula for these stories, someone defending idea that it exsists would have written out the formula. All we got is "crazy people, sticking it" and that's it, you cannot even tell 3-4 stories like that much less "keep telling them". Meanwhile with looks you both get to speak instantly (because of dating apps) and never have to invent any story.
>it is just looks
Prove it. I dont even know how you look but your posts are retarded. How did your looks make your posts retarded
None of what I said was metaphorical. This is something I personally put into practice to build enough social rapport and camaraderie with someone to where I made them a girlfriend. An attempt at first contact would not have worked, I can clearly state it's because of the storytelling. It wasn't looks that carried me through that interaction and result; if it were looks then she would have asked ME to go somewhere within a week of working the same hours.
You're such a fraud
lmfao
Not because your story is funny, but because you think talking about human shit is acceptable in polite company. Makes a lot of sense you're with a bunch of menial retail wagies, but you'd be a fucking pariah in anything higher.
No, it's even worse: it's only funny to literal fucking high schoolers who just got their first shitty job. Anyone more senior would just give you the "ewwwww" reaction. Talking about human excrement and filth is bad enough, but you'd also out yourself as a fucking LOSER working minimum wage retail on top of that steaming pile of shit you call "game". Let me put it this way: even high status health care professionals, I'm talking surgeons, doctors, and even fucking nurses, who have seen more literal gore, blood, and shit that you can imagine, don't joke around about it with each other. Grow the fuck up, retards.
the story wasn't funny or good at all. is this all that good looking dudes have to say to get laid? is this really game?
I've never seen any adult, good looking, average, or otherwise, talk about feces in light conversation for fun. Like even the scientists who study gut bacteria for a living get lightly ribbed about it, but nobody goes into any extreme, graphic detail about it. Same deal with LE SEX btw. Perfectly OK to imply innuendo (at the level of "haha secks") but graphic shit like YAAAAAAAHHH BRUUUUHHHHH I'D TOTALLY POUND DAT PUSSSSSAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!!!! is waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy over the line. Like most college kids nowadays get that out of their system after the first semester ffs.
cool, im not the only one thinking it's pretty retarded. same thing in my experience with dudes talking about sex. it usually goes something like "did you get some" a confirmation followed by "nice" and then regular shit.
>You're literally arguing that it's not possible to make up interesting stories, that interesting fiction can't exist
Not at all
I'm arguing about your initial point which is that there is a formula for a good story you can say to someone that will make them like you. There are no formulas like it. Link me to the specific story in this youtube you mean.
Which one of their videos could a customer say to an uncomfortable cashier that will make her go out with him?
Where is this supposed formula for making those stories?
You're down 4-0, you're getting your ass beat
I gave you the components of a quality story. I gave a personal example of a story you could tell in a situation where people are bitching about work. That story has all the elements that people like to hear.
What you're asking for isn't a formula, you're asking for a goddamn console command. Yeah, no shit there isn't a single line of text that will override all social programming in every situation. Doesn't mean that there aren't general components that make a story worthwhile and interesting, a
thereby improving your reputation with an individual person.
Look what I replied to, I didn't bring up shit about salesmen. You erroneously thought Amazon didn't have sales reps.
No you didn't. You didn't give shit. You said there is a formula, then keep changing topics and moving goalposts. You didn't give any example at all of anything that can be said.
You first brought out salesmen out of nowhere for no reason, then got hellbent on their existence instead of how are they in any way relevant to the thread. When I tried to loop it back, you just sperg out about IT (AI, console commands)
There is no formula for stories and salesmen/game cannot do anything to make women like them. They're just stupid terms incels love to use and then get upset when asked for real life example of using them, just like you're doing ITT. What would you say? How would you game this cashier? What is the sale there? You have a real life example, write us out this story formula and apply it alongside what you got from your amazon link.
You can't do it because you know that both salesmen are irrelevant and game doesn't exist.
Theres nothing anyone can say to make you dislike them
There are no examples. Look at yourself, you haven't been able to provide neither formula nor an example. There is nothing to look for that can be said to a woman that fits your criteria or formula you claim. You've lost the game, you claimed there was formula then didn't provide it, you've set the terms for the game and then got your ass beat 3-0, your notion soundly dismissed.
Women hate being bothered by customers while working, it's a known fact.
>whats the formula to make up an interesting story?
well..there isn't really a formula
>HA LIE FAKE HAHA FAKE LIE NORMIE FAKE LIE
this is also the response you when you tell spergs you can't "define a good personality" with step by step bullet points, odd
this is not really how it works because a lot of people hangout with those who are similar. single guys hanging out with other singles is very common.
>You establish male friend circles. Those friends will have girlfriends
Nah I have normie male friends and their girlfriends don't have friends so none to mingle with.
Having an effortless charm/charisma which allegedly can be developed over time but I have no idea how
Game is a mix of theatricality, good timing, charisma, and genuinely just getting lucky on betting odds after like the 10th girl you found one that was looking for your something like you pitch. Basically you have a routine. Women, don't know what they want or like, but they do expect you to give it to them without them having to say or do ANYTHING. You have to know it, do it and be confident about it basically on a prayer. Big problem is they all want something different. There's no titty committee clarifying what every woman wants. The big problem is between hyper anxious feminists and every other horny slut on the planet because they want diametrically opposed things, and feminists want to put you in jail if you don't use their social rules, but moron sluts are the only ones who actually want to go on dates.
Not true
There is no routine
All women just want the exact same thing, tall man with big chin, sharp jawline, low and thick hairline.
If there were routines, people would've written them out somewhere. Such records do not exist because they don't.
There is no pitch since men don't get to speak to women anymore without already being what the women want (height, jawline, hairline)
>Not true
>There is no routine
>All women just want
What women want and what the term "game" means are different.
Women never get what they want anyway. Men who don't date Stacy are just watching porn.
>Women never get what they want anyway.
Women always get what they want. it's just that what they want is fucking stupid and makes them miserable. Meth addicts get what they want. Drunks with a deathwish looking for a fight on the street get what they want. Women ALWAYS get what they want.
Youll never see a woman get what they want. 90% of their boyfriends look like shit. Chad is already married and doesnt care about them.
Be hot and don't be a scared little boy. Work on your rizz and use your surroundings to your advantage like drugs. Don't be sperging on weird shit, talk about cool stuff like sports if you play any. Neg her a little but be playful as to show you ain't about that simp life. If she ain't down with you, she ain't that partied up yet so try harder
Women are essentially children in spirit, children play games. Being physically attractive gets your foot in the door but beating them at their own game is how you get them coming back for more.
your genetics are your game
>dude there totally is a formula that lets you make up stories that you can say that subtly highlights your positive traits without coming off as bragging
>ok what is it?
>*keeps changing topic for 4 hours*
I'm convinced you are some shitty, half baked artificial intelligence. It used some silly statement and now it randomly generates from some past comments it has read before. That's the only reason why it wouldn't write the formula (since it doesn't exist) The person that made initial comment that's been put into algorithm probably also didn't have a formula but a real human would just admit they were lying and that it's not possible to have formula like that. But a machine cannot think, just recycle past comments inputted into it like a lotto machine.
The meme formula depends on the person you are talking to. Do you have a formula for how to speak English so that someone knows your name? What is it?
Write out the formula then. You have to use it to make a random girl you never spoke to before like you. Go, write out the formula for the story you want to tell her.
>If you can't find a way to hit a 450 foot cock shot piss missile every at bat then it's impossible to hit a baseball.
Do you have a formula for making a funny LULZ post? Write it down. Until you do, its all just looks
Do you think the age of the woman matters in how you apply "game" or whatever the fuck? I feel like a lot of this geared towards women in their early 20's. I strongly prefer to date women who are +4 years or -4 years to my own age. I am 32. I always feel disadvantaged because I am a guy who has next to no dating experience and no relationship experience. However, women my age kind of expect the guy to be experienced, and I am not. I don't know how to approach women in my own age bracket. It feels like those job applications that say "entry level" but "15 years on job experience" when you open the application. I feel outgunned.
>I know I cant just approach with bland questions
you can
this morning at uni a girl i knew for 4 years ish (though we never really talked) was hit up with a guy she never knew before and i was sitting directly infront of them so i overheard everything
it was the most bland shallow conversation your autismo brain could consider but they got along pretty well and somehow got closer in that 30 minute encounter
When you're talking with a girl, there are probaly many ideas floating around in your mind.
The goal is to always be truthful, but wisely selecting which truths to share.
Hehehe I never gotten pussy so whatever.
Okay but one thing... like flamenco, the girl leads. If she wants to talk about a movie, you talk about the movie, no questions ask. Your job is to make yourself the "main character" of HER flamenco.
There is a lot of shit that say " be direct or be a man" take charge bullshit.. there is truth to it... but women .
..
Eh just dance with them.
You cannot "take charge completely"
Anyway,,,, why are you asking about game.... no women will let you near them to begin with....
Lookism it true... but that just gets your foot in the door, so to speak...
And there are of course other ways to get your foot in.... but if you're too ugly or too fat then it ain't gonna work
Has your dad ever talked to your mom before? Is he a supermodel?
>seriously what does having game look like? I know I cant just approach with bland questions but how would approaching while having fame look like?
This isn't a thing. How you look determines your game. The "mystery method" PUA guy ended up having a show and shocker, the best looking guy had the most success.
If you make good eye contact and she's into you, that's basically good enough to fuck.
How you look is mostly a PUA grift. Buying new shoes won't fix where you fit in or where you don't fit in.
the incels and femcels who think they don't fit in anywhere, or don't like where they fit in, are just being low IQ or narcissists.
I'm unattractive and a manlet. Also old (27). I have zero problems getting initial attraction from women, especially younger ones. I don't do anything specifically I can point to. About half the time I'm the one that gets approached first. The problem is after a date or two the cracks begin to show full force. I cannot have a long term relationship and I feel absolutely nothing from sex without a well established emotional connection prior to it. In a way its worse. By the time I want to have a deep meaningful connection and start thinking about a future together she's lost interest or decided I'm not worth the trouble.
lol if you were unattractive they wouldn't bother talking to you at all