>My brother in Christ, most countries don't have more than 15 years of proven reserves.
Are you retarded? The tapped wells we have now can give up millions of barrels a day for the next 300 years. And that's not even counting the wells that haven't been tapped yet.
Oil is constantly produced by geological processes and is essentially infinite. Even if it wasn’t we have enough alternatives to get by on if israelite could stop fucking everyone with wasteful get-rich-quick gimmicks for five minutes.
You know how they inject co2 into greenhouses to make the plants grow larger and faster? No, of course you don’t. Too much co2 in the atmosphere is an absurd boogeyman that only retards and children believe in. It’s basically the concept of sin rebranded for modern morons. Volcanoes and other natural processes release something like 98% of all co2. Better take that 2% down to 0% though just in case right?
You mean, fiat dollars are destroyed and America can't afford to by oil overseas, meaning they have to rely on their own production, which they never maintained to infrastructure on, and are now having a competency crisis to find skilled roughnecks, weilders, steel workers and the like.
Lol. Gonna be fun when someone starts destroying fuel crackers at refineries.
Whole sections of the tectonic plates are crushed plant material. There is enough for 400 years.
The agit prop over the last 45 years about peak oil was all israeli masterfully coded misinformation. You drill a hole in the ground and you suck out oil, this is the case everywhere on the earth, even at the north and south poles you just have to spend more energy to get at it.
That being said, it is exhaustible because the rate of consumption is an exponential, and the rate it gets laid down is a constant. So some time in the 2450's the cost of oil extraction will be so high, that other forms of getting energy directly from the sun or from stellar fusion, will cost less.
Yes it is. Because even the process of oil refinery yields many byproducts which are all valuable. I mean plastic is literally everywhere.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Drilling wells and extracting oil is not cheap.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
think about the logistics of what youre saying and then remind yourself how much of that reciept is based off the price of fuel? Its a quagmire for sure with lots of people saying lots of things because how much they are invested.
It costs approximately 10 million dollars to drill and complete a single well. These wells are generally in very remote areas so the oil has to be either trucked out, or a pipeline must built. Refineries use a tremendous amount of energy to crack the carbon chains to produce valuable products. Producing gasoline/diesel/plastics/etc. is nothing like picking up diamonds off the ground.
That was yesterdays price. The economics can always be twisted to fit whatever the objective is but the game is up when it takes more "energy" to drill, tap, refine and distribute the mined "energy". Tar sands have a terrible EROEI, we are already getting close, there are no giant light sweet crude elephant fields. In fact there was only one and it was caving in years ago, has massive saltwater injection 24/7 to just pump out the good left at the bottom. Interesting times for sure.
Yea and most of those pipelines have been in existence for decades, then we find new fields and need new infrastructure, ( keystone pipeline Baken fields north dakota), they move 100s of tons of dirt for just a few xarrots of diamonds
makes me happy to hear abiotic oil become widespread, even if just on /misc/
Dave McGowan's blog series on peak oil being a psyop (and Michael Ruppert being a CIA asset) is a classic.
centerforaninformedamerica is the name of his blog. his 9/11 series is the best document on the topic IMO
the US has tons of oil wells that are not refilling. PA was the first fields drilled in the US and have not refilled. LA was basically built on oil fields that have also not refilled.
the US has tons of oil wells that are not refilling. PA was the first fields drilled in the US and have not refilled. LA was basically built on oil fields that have also not refilled.
>be me >see psyop post >feel need to disrupt psyop, watch a few posts pop up while I'm writing mine, >worry I'm being beaten by bots amplifying the psyop >it's all based chads destroying the psyop faster than I was able to
I love you homosexuals so much
psyop
literally cannot occur
also 'fossil fuel' is a psyop too
when you realize God made this world for us, and the people claiming scarcity are literally Satanic Pedophiles, the world suddenly makes sense.
even if oil does replenish, it will not replenish as fast as you want and the extraction costs will get increasingly higher with starting damages to the environment becoming even higher. that's not to say we can just get out of oil but we need more tangible renewables and nuclear energy
You are too sensible for this board.
Even if you grant them the schizo theory that oil magically appears in the ground, the fact is oil companies have to keep finding new wells and dig deeper and deeper to extract oil, nobody arguing in good faith can deny this.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
the even deeper issue is that oil and the plastics derived from it have become parasitic in terms of industry on everything we do. it's like midas touch, the black gold. now everything has to be using oil for energy or oil based plastics
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Unfortunately that's not changing any time soon. Even if they somehow pass draconian measures in the US and EU, most of the shit we use is made in China so tough shit.
I'm a bit older so I remember when a lot of things were packaged in glass bottles and other reusable containers, or in wax paper.
We need to go back to those times, it boggles my mind that you can get a 500ml bottle of coke, drink it in two gulps then throw away a big chunk of plastic that has to be recycled using even more resources.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
We need to go back to making beautiful, expensive handmade stuff like in the victorian era and stop consooming. Even the model t, the yugo of its time, was built to last for generations which is why there are still millions of them left.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
even if oil does replenish, it will not replenish as fast as you want and the extraction costs will get increasingly higher with starting damages to the environment becoming even higher. that's not to say we can just get out of oil but we need more tangible renewables and nuclear energy
It’s hilarious how the poor side of Europe can be consistently 10 years behind the times.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wow thos fag says like money there is no magic oil hole to "pluck it from" they have to drill again and again for it, almost like everything else...we have to regrow the wheat crop every year hmmmm
How and where does oil extraction damage the environment, no one lives really anywhere near where oil is extracted from... in most places ots usually arid landscapes to desert devoid of any population being affec5ex by it. Even in super liberal anti oil Colorado oilextraction is very safe to the environment
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
south louisiana bp oil spill would like a word.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You mean the spill that BP spent millions of dollars and thousands of man hours trying to contain, and then a hurricane came through and the oil was just gone?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
south louisiana bp oil spill would like a word.
The actual cleanup only took a month or so, but the political fallout was milked for the rest of the decade.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oil is god. Without oil the human carrying capacity of the planet drops immediately to 1 billion and edible wildlife within reach of humans becomes extinct overnight. Abiotic oil shills are provably fucking delusional simply by virtue of any non retards provable experience.
>oh heavens please why wont you Trust the Science™
sorry homosexual you idiots blew it with covid
no putting the genie back in the bottle
we know it's all fake and gay
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Do you people base all your beliefs off a single glimpse at an infograph? And then preach your newly acquired belief as if it were the Gospel?
Miserable state of this board.
It's not a widely accepted theory but would it really be that weird? Carbon in an extremely common element in the Universe. So is hydrogen. Why do you think it would be so weird that large amounts of both combined in the mantle to create hydrocarbons?
And there's literally twice as much water in the mantle than there's in the ocean - and that is widely accepted
which actually answers my question here
wait, actually, where would you even get oxygen to burn this much oil
psyop
literally cannot occur
also 'fossil fuel' is a psyop too
when you realize God made this world for us, and the people claiming scarcity are literally Satanic Pedophiles, the world suddenly makes sense.
if that hypothesis is true, there's literally oceans of oil in the magma. If you run out of this by burning hydrocarbons you would have different worries than it being gone. Like for example 100 atmospheres pressure of super heated CO2, lol
All the plankton in the oceans that needs C02. There was a point in time when plankton ran out of control, chewed up too much CO2 it caused an ice age.
it wasn't ice age. it was snowball earth
supposedly of course
but you didnt' understand my dillema. If there's fixed amount of oxygen on the surface, you wouldn't be able to burn oceans of hydrocarbons that are supposedly hidden in the mantle. Because you need oxygen to burn it
of course this is just a thought experiment, because this wouldn't be possible to do and survive
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If that were the case all the dinosaurs, homosexuals, and various oxygen thieves would have used it all up by now. Plants literally take CO2 and convert it into O2. More CO2 = More plant growth = more oxygen. This is literal 3rd grade science.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you still dont' understand and I'm not in the mood for arguing. Yes, plants recycle oxygen. try burning an ocean of hydrocarbons and you will run out of it, because there's finite amount of it on the surface
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Some algae grows exponentially, so as long as there is sunlight and nutrients, they can convert all of that co2 to biomass and oxygen. Fishies will eat and shit out fertilizer for more algae. birds eat fishies and shit out moar fertilizer and that cycle increases. So unless someone blocks out the sun or poisons the water, more CO2= more O2
You are correct, oil is formed by the Earth, but it only happens under certain atmospheric conditions, when the temperature of the earth is above 1000c. Hasn't happened in a few million years.
also
we've had the next technology for nearly a hundred years
we have infinite power already and no need to burn hydro carbons already
the reason why this knowledge is restricted goes back to the other problem I mentioned
>no, anyone who speaks Bulgarian who ??? will recognize >for your convenience write relatively book-like, but can write such a speech that google translate will have (get) an aneurysm
Gotta love it how the similarities between the languages align in such a way that one can surmise the meaning of a sentence without speaking the language.
>блa блa ти cи флyopecцeнтeн нeгъp щoтo пocтвaш oт Бългapия, кoятo e члeнкa нa HATO
Имaш ли някaкъв apгyмeнт въoбщe?
>Hutchison effect.
Discovered by literal autist that packed his apartment with military grade electronics. Turned it all on and weird shit started happening.
>Discovered by literal autist that packed his apartment with military grade electronics. Turned it all on and weird shit started happening.
and they friend his brain and trooned him out for his trouble
but an absolute hero
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I love you homosexuals so much
[...] >be me >see psyop post >feel need to disrupt psyop, watch a few posts pop up while I'm writing mine, >worry I'm being beaten by bots amplifying the psyop >it's all based chads destroying the psyop faster than I was able to
I love you homosexuals so much
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thank you for your service
Do you people base all your beliefs off a single glimpse at an infograph? And then preach your newly acquired belief as if it were the Gospel?
Miserable state of this board.
I've known oil was abiotic since 1978 when it was proven by Dr. Fred Weadon and Fred Finell.
Peak oil is peak schizo affective grifting psyop bullshit.
It’s based on the evidence many of us have seen after decades of hearing the >oil will run out
cope despite the fact that we keep discovering bigger and bigger reserves everywhere on the planet.
What tipped me over the edge was hearing about the "unexplainable" shit they found in the Permian Basin oil field in West Texas. They originally determined that the field was densest in Midland, which is why they set up drilling operations there in the first place, but that it was spread out to North Texas close to the New Mexico/Colorado/Oklahoma border. After decades of pumping wells dry, capping them, and moving on, they came back to check some of the old wells and found them full of oil again. Not only that, as they started using horizontal drilling, they discovered that the field stretched far beyond what they originally thought, far into New Mexico and Colorado. They once projected that Permian would be completely dry somewhere around now. Now they estimate that it has 100 years worth at current usage levels.
>Do you people base all your beliefs off a single glimpse at an infograph?
I normally just post pics so retards like you will have something to bitch about. If you'd like to read about here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
https://www.forbes.com/2008/11/13/abiotic-oil-supply-energenius08-biz-cz_rl_1113abiotic.html
https://www.petroleum.co.uk/abiotic-oil-formation
https://medium.com/the-spouter-magazine/abiotic-oil-theory-evaluated-a19aa7b72ece
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
https://phys.org/news/2019-04-rewriting-textbook-fossil-fuels-technologies.html
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/215/1/012103/pdf (Synthesis of hydrocarbons under upper mantle conditions: Evidence for the theory of abiotic deep petroleum origin)
Thanks for the reading material. Looking in sufficient depth at any of the stuff posted always requires a tremendous amount of time but this might be one of the things that's worth it. A lot of the stuff posted here is just wishful thinking - "it'd be nice if nukes were fake, so I'm just going to believe that nukes are fake".
>Do you people base all your beliefs off a single glimpse at an infograph?
boy if you believed that and believed we were wrong, you'd think you try to contradict the information in that graphic, let's see how this plays out > And then preach your newly acquired belief as if it were the Gospel? >Miserable state of this board.
huh social shaming
weird
no evidence
just social shaming
its easier to just tell us we're right, you don't have to demonstrate the tactics of liars to prove we're right.
>boy if you believed that and believed we were wrong, you'd think you try to contradict the information in that graphic, let's see how this plays out
Why pretend that you know anything about the topic? There's a lot of papers supporting the claim and there's a shitton of papers against the claim, but neither of us have read them, all that we know is what we were taught in schools and what these infographs claim. I'm no petroleum engineer but I'll look into it.
In Russia, researchers and geologists actually take abiotic oil seriously which allows them to find reserves where there technically shouldn't be any (if you follow the mainstream approach).
>Why pretend that you know anything about the topic?
why pretend to discuss a topic while deliberately avoiding any discussion of the evidence?
because you're countersignaling it
because we're right.
This isn't high school, what the fuck are you saying >I'm right you're wrong
no nagger, you don't know shit, neither of us do, you didn't post any evidence, just wishful thinking. Yeah it'd be nice.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>This isn't high school, what the fuck are you saying
that you're a fag
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
> no nagger, you don't know shit, neither of us do
Classic midwit cope.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
are you a genuine petroleum engineer? or did you at least read a shitton of books and papers?
>Thanks for the reading material.
Np. Nukes aren't real because I've never seen any evidence of nukes being real. If anything the myth of nukes is being used to suppress nuclear energy replacing oil.
>If anything the myth of nukes is being used to suppress nuclear energy replacing oil.
what do you mean by that?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>what do you mean by that? >#2 There is great concern that the development of nuclear energy programs increases the likelihood of proliferation of nuclear weapons. As nuclear fuel and technologies become globally available, the risk of these falling into the wrong hands is increasingly present. To avoid weapons proliferation, it is important that countries with high levels of corruption and instability be discouraged from creating nuclear programs, and the US should be a leader in nonproliferation by not pushing for more nuclear power at home (3). >https://www.greenamerica.org/fight-dirty-energy/amazon-build-cleaner-cloud/10-reasons-oppose-nuclear-energy
>https://medium.com/the-spouter-magazine/abiotic-oil-theory-evaluated-a19aa7b72ece
The medium article ends up making a compelling argument against abiotic oil, that being the complexity of the molecules created. The science checks out that oil can be created this way, just not very much of it.
It's like, nature can accidentally form a rock into a brick every once in awhile, but it won't make a few thousand of them and stack them to form a house.
These same people will tell you all about how a goop puddle of random chemicals was struck by lightning to kickstart the first biological processes which randomly developed into all life we're aware of in the entire universe. Nevermind that even if the universe is ̶1̶3̶ 26 billion years old, the probability of such an event is astronomically small and even if it happened, the time between abiogenesis and human development is too short given the process they assert.
In short, medium are a bunch of fucking midwits making shit up, and you're a retard for believing it.
>Do you people base all your beliefs off a single glimpse at an infograph?
boy if you believed that and believed we were wrong, you'd think you try to contradict the information in that graphic, let's see how this plays out > And then preach your newly acquired belief as if it were the Gospel? >Miserable state of this board.
huh social shaming
weird
no evidence
just social shaming
its easier to just tell us we're right, you don't have to demonstrate the tactics of liars to prove we're right.
In Russia, researchers and geologists actually take abiotic oil seriously which allows them to find reserves where there technically shouldn't be any (if you follow the mainstream approach).
>they base their beliefs off an old book passed through millions of hands and was re written by a israelite in the 1800s
hostility to religion expressed by scarcity pushers
WERID
called it
psyop
literally cannot occur
also 'fossil fuel' is a psyop too
when you realize God made this world for us, and the people claiming scarcity are literally Satanic Pedophiles, the world suddenly makes sense.
>when you realize God made this world for us, and the people claiming scarcity are literally Satanic Pedophiles, the world suddenly makes sense.
>Do you people base all your beliefs off a single glimpse at an infograph? And then preach your newly acquired belief as if it were the Gospel?
Only if I see it on twitter or some e-celebrity tells me that it's true.
>psyop >literally cannot occur >also 'fossil fuel' is a psyop too >when you realize God made this world for us, and the people claiming scarcity are literally Satanic Pedophiles, the world suddenly makes sense.
retardation of American christcucks is getting more and more ridiculous
The abiotic theory is really popular here because it appears to disprove peak oil and soothes scared /misc/acks, but it's ultimately a red herring. It doesn't matter how oil gets formed, all that matters is the rate at which it gets formed, and that rate will be overcome. Whatever process produces oil, there's a certain average amount that gets made over, say, a year. In order for peak oil not to happen, that rate not only has to equal the amount we use in a year, but it also has to increase to match our increased rate of usage next year. We don't step down our usage of oil even with all the renewables, oil usage continues to grow.
Whatever you think about biotic or abiotic, the idea that the rate of the production of this natural process increases every year is absurd. It's probably constant or close to constant. So there's only two realities; we either will eventually overtake the rate at which oil is produced, or we already have.
Once you're spending more than you're taking in, you're heading for bankruptcy, it's just a matter of time.
>when you realize God made this world for us, and the people claiming scarcity are literally Satanic
I've always been for freedom of religion but the extreme retardism of people like you make me seriously rethink that notion.
Every day I get closer to thinking that anyone of Abrahamic faith should be executed. I'm sure you'd be very happy to die a martyr.
But yes, the leaders of the world are pedophiles and severe oil scarcity is a lie. Even a retard is correct once in a while.
This. Russians knew it long ago, but the capitalists wanted to make profits, they they invented a story to make oil seem rare, just like they did with diamonds. Oil production is overseen by a literal cartel that is made up of all US and Canadian companies and they put the dinosaur mascots on everything to sell the idea that oil came from fossils. How soon people forgot of the time their ancestors had to drain oil from springs that gushed up from the ground and made pools that killed livestock.
>bro how can bird runs out, the sky literally sweats birds!
I am ashamed of my race beyond measure, we have caused an immesaurable damage to this green earth and robbed our children of god's wonders out of pure greed. We deserve to be raptured.
>Guys, this theory that was invented to serve the political needs of the Soviet Union also supports my economic theory!
Have you read NOTHING about the history of Communism?
Also, the other anon is right that it's irrelevant - the question is whether the oil formation rate exceeds the extraction rate or not. Since the old days when we just dug a hole and got black facials are over, it is very likely that our extraction rate has in fact exceeded the formation rate for a long, long time.
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Up, after we drill it.
The abiotic theory is really popular here because it appears to disprove peak oil and soothes scared /misc/acks, but it's ultimately a red herring. It doesn't matter how oil gets formed, all that matters is the rate at which it gets formed, and that rate will be overcome. Whatever process produces oil, there's a certain average amount that gets made over, say, a year. In order for peak oil not to happen, that rate not only has to equal the amount we use in a year, but it also has to increase to match our increased rate of usage next year. We don't step down our usage of oil even with all the renewables, oil usage continues to grow.
Whatever you think about biotic or abiotic, the idea that the rate of the production of this natural process increases every year is absurd. It's probably constant or close to constant. So there's only two realities; we either will eventually overtake the rate at which oil is produced, or we already have.
Once you're spending more than you're taking in, you're heading for bankruptcy, it's just a matter of time.
Beep boop robot.
I bet there is literally nothing I could do short of sharpie up the pooper to convince you I’m not a bot.
It’s always psyop this, damage control that, fed yada yada.
I wish I was getting paid to tell fags they are stupid and should feel bad.
Bullying people for being shitty doesn’t work if they don’t have any shame.
You are certainly not creative and obviously unable to deliver anything beyond the vulgar and profane as of yet.
If you truly are not a bot or the handler, who took control after it being found out; that’s sad and perhaps some food for thought for you.
The abiotic stuff is 50 years old.
What happens is black shale is traped yadayada, and them turns into gasogen and them goes to a geological trap.
This shale is formed during resurgence(el nino la nina) where the winds thin the warm water layer so that the cold water layer can rise up.
>we need x >so invent a theory that supports the desired condition
classic soviet science
let's bring back egalitarian agriculture next because survival of the fittest is too capitalistic
how severely mentally retarded do you have to be to believe that one volcanic eruption dumps more into the atmosphere than millions of human factories around the world running 24/7?
oil is the lubricant that keep earth's axle from throwing a bearing and burning up.
if we continue to remove the oil without replacing it, earth will come to a grinding halt and we'll all fly off etc.
to do my part, every 3000 miles I dump 15 quarts of used diesel motor oil down by the creek. the organic fag farmer down stream cries and bitches for a week or so every time but that's about it.
>if we continue to remove the oil without replacing it,
Dumbfuck. Earth creates it in the heated core. It percolates up through cracks. It doesn't run out and we don't extract enough for the planet to experience loss of pressure.
>another unproven theory
if we don't believe "proven reserves" of any sort, even approximations, then the entire conversation is a moot point because anybody could write off everything as conspiracies.
What I've read is that new oil fields in general gets harder to find and there is no "regeneration" of spent fields of any sort.
Is there any information available that contradicts this besides catchall conspiracy theories?
It's funny how we continue to find more and more oil, while the "experts" continue to talk about "peak oil" and how we are going to run out of it this century.
There's so much they can't even begin to quantify it. Oceans of oil thousands of feet deep and miles and miles in breadth almost everywhere on the planet. We just aren't allowed to touch it because the ayy overlords said so.
t.loominami elite secret squirrel nagger killer
We enslave naggers again, the only reason why they're running wild is because oil tech made the white men too comfy to give a fuck about anything but star wars movies.
Watch what happens when there is no more electricity to run our fucking phones.
Will build a hamster wheel to make those coons run on it till they drop dead
The global civilization that is sustained only on the EROI of oil will collapse and be reduced to whatever EROI of local stuff like like wood and coal can sustain. Which looking at historic numbers and comparing it to oil isnt much. The greenest thing humanity can do is go nuclear for energy keep pushing fusion until were nothing but ash. Hydrogen, helium3. Whatever
Past few months some changes in Europe occured with oil silent market we were tapping in, and refining chemicals as well... we have Big Problems!
I've been waiting... the tankers coming in empty are coming empty because we could not get it... and even worse, traitors are selling it still!
I've ran everything and it's a fucked up situation!
We have idiots attempting to resolve the problems they created, intentionally too often, that's how bad shit is!
Well either your stuck on a 8 year car since once the battery dies your going to have to pay the same cost as a new car for a battery or get a new car. That isn't assuming the government doesn't also restrict cars in future as well. Governments fear the nuclear power car. Its mostly likely going to be hydrogen cars if car companies keep the staus quo. Natural gas if the gas companies get to use the microbes that fart Natural gas out in their allge tubes at Shell
The whole peak oil meme is good fun, but things tend to be a slow build not an immediate crisis. We adapt to change. If we start to go into a downward trend of production we will see people shift away from oil in different ways. Alternatives will be adopted once the cost becomes lower than oil based options.
Ultimately the real issue is pesticides and fertilizers. Transport will find methods to cope, but mass agriculture will be the real tell of whether this will cause us to suffer. Currently we just keep increasing production every year. The sheer scope of our need for diesel is something normies can't comprehend when they talk about driving EV. Eventually we need to figure out what to do about trucks, container ships and planes. We could all drive ICE vehicles to work if we didnt consume all that oil in order to transport goods across the globe, package everything in petroleum plastics and spray all our food with petroleum products. As costs increase, other methods will arise and we'll find solutions. Unfortunately normies will continue to screech about it without addressing the fundamentals.
We are so focused on carbon dioxide and fossil fuels we have forgotten about the basic symbiosis of the globe. We cut all the trees down and ruin the oceans, both of which affect the balance of the atmosphere. Instead of fixing these baseline elements, they tell people that if we all drive an EV that the problem will be solved. Even though their EV necessitates massive production costs and carbon emissions. All the lithium and rare earth metals to create these monsters coupled with the energy production makes them more carbon producing for years before they offset ICE vehicles.
>We could all drive ICE vehicles to work if we didnt consume all that oil in order to transport goods across the globe, package everything in petroleum plastics and spray all our food with petroleum products.
-If we didn't consume all that oil to produce the minerals and metals for EV's.
fyfy
>oil will ~~*run out*~~ goy, you must stop using it! >use the remotely controllable electronic stuff, goy >you are asking how do we produce the electricity? that's none of your business, goy!
Batteries run on coal. What happens when the coal runs out? Solar has been around since the 1970's and has not improved much at all. Wind is a just a joke not worthy of a meme.
Despite massive strides and expenditures it doesn't manage to make a dent on the global energy market. They build some huge solar farm that doesnt even have the capacity of a small coal plant on a good day, but it's subject to conditions and requires massive battery infrastructure to be used at peak hours.
That's not even remotely true, and I'm asking about the retarded claim that the technology hasn't improved.
Prices are half of what they were 10 years ago and efficiency is up by a lot.
Solar right now makes commercial sense even without any subsidies and I know this because I work in the industry.
I don't know where people get these ideas from.
> Solar right now makes commercial sense even without any subsidies
lol >I know this because I work in the industry
LOL, talk about conflict of interest.
Imagine if Europe would have developed a petrol industry 20 years ago instead of relying on Russia. Then expensive solar wouldn’t ever make commercial sense.
Do you understand that we install solar power for factories and other businesses that only care about their bottom line and don't get any money from the government for investing in solar power?
Or do you think they are complete retards and we're scamming them? Do you have an actual argument nagger?
It might not have been what he meant but I just interpreted as despite improvements they're just not viable for large scale production.
The fact you claim to be in the industry just means your incentivized to say it's good.
In the state I live in, we have thrown subsidies at solar and wind stations have been built all over, yet renewables still haven't gone up in terms of market share of energy production. Even despite artificial market forces.
In germany they've thrown more money into solar than anyone else, but some years they have to crank up the coal plants to compensate for the inconsistency of renewables.
I think they're great on small scale, like businesses and homes. But no matter how much money we pump into them, they're never going to take over huge market share of the energy market. You need physical space to use them, which for some countries is in short supply, and some of the resources will eventually become scarce unless alternative methods are approached.
We barely have any programs for it here in Bulgaria, there's been a new one that started in the middle of this year and the budget for it is tiny, you have to jump though a lot of hoops and it comes with strings attached.
The point is even without any subsidies the price of the panels has crashed, there are all-in-one inverters with built in MPP trackers and communication and they aren't even that expensive, the price is low enough to make financial sense on the free market.
Obviously you're not going to make your whole country run on solar, but it works on the scale of a single home or business.
It might not have been what he meant but I just interpreted as despite improvements they're just not viable for large scale production.
The fact you claim to be in the industry just means your incentivized to say it's good.
In the state I live in, we have thrown subsidies at solar and wind stations have been built all over, yet renewables still haven't gone up in terms of market share of energy production. Even despite artificial market forces.
In germany they've thrown more money into solar than anyone else, but some years they have to crank up the coal plants to compensate for the inconsistency of renewables.
I think they're great on small scale, like businesses and homes. But no matter how much money we pump into them, they're never going to take over huge market share of the energy market. You need physical space to use them, which for some countries is in short supply, and some of the resources will eventually become scarce unless alternative methods are approached.
>subsidized
I just spent an entire post explaining that it's not and this is your knee jerk reaction, don't even bother replying to me retard.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes and I imply your full of it, it is subsidized, to get a solar farm my county just had a vote to give the builders a fisful of tax abatements to " try" and get the " business" for all 10 jobs it will produce. Never mind all the farm land and pasture that will be ruined, I voted yes as taking 5000 acres of land ( across) the rad from me means I'll have way better deer hunting ... but look at all the oak trees we lose fighting Carbon for the solar farm .... green energy.....ha ha ha ha
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Rebuttal all you like I'm off to frak a oilwell thread will be dead when I get back
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't give a shit about YOUR country mutt.
I'm talking about MY country. Jesus Christ...
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You Should be planting vegetables or grazing cattle instead instead of covering the land with solar panels.
There's a couple options. >Mass produce EVs and use nuclear to make up the shortfalls in electrical production. >Redesign our infrastructure to simply use less energy, i.e. walkability so that most daily commuting can be done by foot or bicycle etc >Perish
eurotards will be fucked and forced to bend the knee to their paki overlords, but americans will just start pulling out what they have been sitting on for decades
itll be interesting when it does "run out", because it wont "run out", itll just become extremely restricted, extremely fast. the major militaries arnt going to just sit around and go "welp, when it runs low i guess we ditch the tanks and jets and start walking", fuck no, the second it looks like "one side hoarding more" will win, itll go into resource acquisition mode like youve never seen before in your life, and gas at the pump will be 100 dollars gallon, if your lucky. so its just a matter of how soon
You're an ignoramus if you think the answer is electric cars.
The energy in electric cars has to come from somewhere. And the wind and solar sources are very unreliable. Until recently, solar didn't "break even", where the energy to create the solar panels and infrastructure was more than the solar panel produced in it's useful lifetime.
Gotta go nuclear, and the best way to distribute the energy is by converting it to petroleum.
Everything they told us so far has been a lie, so peak oil is also probably a lie, as well as "fossil fuels". The reason being they want to create artificial scarcity to maximize profit as well as control everything. If oil truly was so scarce, plane tickets would cost much more. The real bottleneck is refining, building new refineries or maintaining existing ones. That requires skilled labor which we are running out of. My father worked in El Segundo for one of the refineries and they had him doing overtime constantly to help with the boilers. Also worked on offshore rigs.
But it isn’t and most oil wells are refilling, because oil neither stems from imaginary terrible lizards nor from algae and other small decayed organisms.
>Oil runs out.
Oil is produced by the subduction of tectonic plates. Organic matter that is dragged down to the mantle is heated and turns into oil. We will never run out of oil and natural gas, you've been lied to.
>MRNA vaxxed hands typed this.
This is probably the most well-established scientific theory that has verifiable geological evidence. I thought you trusted le science?
>oil companies pay people to claim oil is infinite
You get that they at the very least expect it and probably know it, but obviously they won’t tell anyone, because oil prices would go down and prices for new fields would go up. Both certainly not things they would like to happen.
if not in a city, you starve to death in your suburb.
If not in a suburb you better organize like mad and form armies quick because you are about to have hordes of locust show up in vast numbers to eat your shit and rape your women as they move around.
And if you are in the countryside and know how to grow and are doing in enough for a years food. You better get your game face on. If those grain silo's get emptied to be shipped to the cities, YOU are going to starve.
Oil is food. Oil is potable water. Oil is transport. Oil is stability. Oil is power.
Peak oil happened in 2008 and was the actual cause of the financial crisis. Fracking bought us some time but now it's an utter land grab evidenced by the war in ukraine and the middle east. They (media) will not tell you the truth. Iran has the last great pot of oil. That is why what is happening is happening. All the 'Nothing ever happens' fags should go eat a dick right now.
The EROI of oil is so far and above any available alternative that society literally collapses overnight without it. That's it, end of story. All of the geopolitical conflict on this planet is based solely on one resource, OIL. Anyone who preaches otherwise is an outright LIAR.
right now there's a supply glut actually, prices are really low because non-OPEC nations are fighting with OPEC nations and iran, venezuela, nigeria, algeria, libya, iraq are all getting brought back into the international network. so oil prices are relatively low
all that could change pretty quickly if iran tries a blockade or erdogan shuts down the turkish pipelines and Putin shuts down the ukrainian pipelines and pipelines up into europe
which is very possible
to answer your question: martial law would be instituted within 96 hours. people would lose their shit and start looting within 48. fema camps will be created in auditoriums and malls and wal marts would be turned into supply distribution centers. all under the auspices of FEMA.
wtf? why was i under the impression until reading this thread that oil came from fossils from the carboniferous era? cause that's just coal. why did i think it was oil too? am i a retard or is this a common misconception?
ok so the ~~*scientific consensus*~~ is that oil can be abiotic but most of what we have found comes from plants and algae from the devonian period
what's the proof either way? it seem way too political a subject of study to have anything other than people saying they are right and the other side is wrong
hundreds of years from now? not my problem.
the government will make sure it is illegal to obtain long before 2050 dumbass
>2050
but 2023 is the last year for earth
Zoomers detected, they said the same shit back in the late 80's and early 90's and guess what??? They found more black gold in the ground and at sea.
I’m a boomer. We heard the same shit in school in the 70’s
sorry sweet cheeks they wont they will just move the fake goal post
the government will be swinging from overpasses all up I95 by then zoomzoom
>hundreds
My brother in Christ, most countries don't have more than 15 years of proven reserves.
>My brother in Christ, most countries don't have more than 15 years of proven reserves.
Are you retarded? The tapped wells we have now can give up millions of barrels a day for the next 300 years. And that's not even counting the wells that haven't been tapped yet.
Oil is constantly produced by geological processes and is essentially infinite. Even if it wasn’t we have enough alternatives to get by on if israelite could stop fucking everyone with wasteful get-rich-quick gimmicks for five minutes.
we still cant keep using oil otherwise there will be too much co2 in the atmosphere for us to breathe
You know how they inject co2 into greenhouses to make the plants grow larger and faster? No, of course you don’t. Too much co2 in the atmosphere is an absurd boogeyman that only retards and children believe in. It’s basically the concept of sin rebranded for modern morons. Volcanoes and other natural processes release something like 98% of all co2. Better take that 2% down to 0% though just in case right?
We have coal for a few hundred years and you could always make biodiesel
The reserves are oil that they buy from other countries and store. You can't fathom the size of Pre-sal.
You mean, fiat dollars are destroyed and America can't afford to by oil overseas, meaning they have to rely on their own production, which they never maintained to infrastructure on, and are now having a competency crisis to find skilled roughnecks, weilders, steel workers and the like.
Lol. Gonna be fun when someone starts destroying fuel crackers at refineries.
Whole sections of the tectonic plates are crushed plant material. There is enough for 400 years.
The agit prop over the last 45 years about peak oil was all israeli masterfully coded misinformation. You drill a hole in the ground and you suck out oil, this is the case everywhere on the earth, even at the north and south poles you just have to spend more energy to get at it.
That being said, it is exhaustible because the rate of consumption is an exponential, and the rate it gets laid down is a constant. So some time in the 2450's the cost of oil extraction will be so high, that other forms of getting energy directly from the sun or from stellar fusion, will cost less.
/bread
You mean restricted? because it doesn't run out.
This. The Earth practically sweats oil. The only thing that makes it valuable, just like with diamonds, is monopolistic control
Well extracting it isn't cheap.
Neither is processing oil. But what does that have to do with it running out. Which it won’t because oil is boiled earth.
It has nothing to do with running out. I was commenting on "The only thing that makes it valuable is monopolistic control" which isn't true.
Yes it is. Because even the process of oil refinery yields many byproducts which are all valuable. I mean plastic is literally everywhere.
Drilling wells and extracting oil is not cheap.
think about the logistics of what youre saying and then remind yourself how much of that reciept is based off the price of fuel? Its a quagmire for sure with lots of people saying lots of things because how much they are invested.
try not to reframe arguments, particularly with a subjective qualifier like "cheap".
It costs approximately 10 million dollars to drill and complete a single well. These wells are generally in very remote areas so the oil has to be either trucked out, or a pipeline must built. Refineries use a tremendous amount of energy to crack the carbon chains to produce valuable products. Producing gasoline/diesel/plastics/etc. is nothing like picking up diamonds off the ground.
That was yesterdays price. The economics can always be twisted to fit whatever the objective is but the game is up when it takes more "energy" to drill, tap, refine and distribute the mined "energy". Tar sands have a terrible EROEI, we are already getting close, there are no giant light sweet crude elephant fields. In fact there was only one and it was caving in years ago, has massive saltwater injection 24/7 to just pump out the good left at the bottom. Interesting times for sure.
Yea and most of those pipelines have been in existence for decades, then we find new fields and need new infrastructure, ( keystone pipeline Baken fields north dakota), they move 100s of tons of dirt for just a few xarrots of diamonds
yes
makes me happy to hear abiotic oil become widespread, even if just on /misc/
Dave McGowan's blog series on peak oil being a psyop (and Michael Ruppert being a CIA asset) is a classic.
centerforaninformedamerica is the name of his blog. his 9/11 series is the best document on the topic IMO
If abiotic oil theory is right, this is correct, unless we're talking about billions of years or something.
the US has tons of oil wells that are not refilling. PA was the first fields drilled in the US and have not refilled. LA was basically built on oil fields that have also not refilled.
>LA was basically built on oil fields that have also not refilled.
fact check false
you can find operating oil pumps all over LA
lying homosexual is gay
>oil
>run out
>be me
>see psyop post
>feel need to disrupt psyop, watch a few posts pop up while I'm writing mine,
>worry I'm being beaten by bots amplifying the psyop
>it's all based chads destroying the psyop faster than I was able to
I love you homosexuals so much
I seriously hope you dont believe this
>YOU-
>checks flag
Never mind.
even if oil does replenish, it will not replenish as fast as you want and the extraction costs will get increasingly higher with starting damages to the environment becoming even higher. that's not to say we can just get out of oil but we need more tangible renewables and nuclear energy
You are too sensible for this board.
Even if you grant them the schizo theory that oil magically appears in the ground, the fact is oil companies have to keep finding new wells and dig deeper and deeper to extract oil, nobody arguing in good faith can deny this.
the even deeper issue is that oil and the plastics derived from it have become parasitic in terms of industry on everything we do. it's like midas touch, the black gold. now everything has to be using oil for energy or oil based plastics
Unfortunately that's not changing any time soon. Even if they somehow pass draconian measures in the US and EU, most of the shit we use is made in China so tough shit.
I'm a bit older so I remember when a lot of things were packaged in glass bottles and other reusable containers, or in wax paper.
We need to go back to those times, it boggles my mind that you can get a 500ml bottle of coke, drink it in two gulps then throw away a big chunk of plastic that has to be recycled using even more resources.
We need to go back to making beautiful, expensive handmade stuff like in the victorian era and stop consooming. Even the model t, the yugo of its time, was built to last for generations which is why there are still millions of them left.
It’s hilarious how the poor side of Europe can be consistently 10 years behind the times.
Wow thos fag says like money there is no magic oil hole to "pluck it from" they have to drill again and again for it, almost like everything else...we have to regrow the wheat crop every year hmmmm
How and where does oil extraction damage the environment, no one lives really anywhere near where oil is extracted from... in most places ots usually arid landscapes to desert devoid of any population being affec5ex by it. Even in super liberal anti oil Colorado oilextraction is very safe to the environment
south louisiana bp oil spill would like a word.
You mean the spill that BP spent millions of dollars and thousands of man hours trying to contain, and then a hurricane came through and the oil was just gone?
The actual cleanup only took a month or so, but the political fallout was milked for the rest of the decade.
Oil is god. Without oil the human carrying capacity of the planet drops immediately to 1 billion and edible wildlife within reach of humans becomes extinct overnight. Abiotic oil shills are provably fucking delusional simply by virtue of any non retards provable experience.
>oh heavens please why wont you Trust the Science™
sorry homosexual you idiots blew it with covid
no putting the genie back in the bottle
we know it's all fake and gay
It's not a widely accepted theory but would it really be that weird? Carbon in an extremely common element in the Universe. So is hydrogen. Why do you think it would be so weird that large amounts of both combined in the mantle to create hydrocarbons?
And there's literally twice as much water in the mantle than there's in the ocean - and that is widely accepted
which actually answers my question here
We ride horses
i have a bike with panniers and a trailer and can fix everything on it. i am good.
psyop
literally cannot occur
also 'fossil fuel' is a psyop too
when you realize God made this world for us, and the people claiming scarcity are literally Satanic Pedophiles, the world suddenly makes sense.
okay then what if carbon in the magma layer runs out
>okay then what if carbon in the magma layer runs out
literally the only thing YOU should worry about is Jesus coming back.
where the fuck is it going to go?
if that hypothesis is true, there's literally oceans of oil in the magma. If you run out of this by burning hydrocarbons you would have different worries than it being gone. Like for example 100 atmospheres pressure of super heated CO2, lol
wait, actually, where would you even get oxygen to burn this much oil
All the plankton in the oceans that needs C02. There was a point in time when plankton ran out of control, chewed up too much CO2 it caused an ice age.
it wasn't ice age. it was snowball earth
supposedly of course
but you didnt' understand my dillema. If there's fixed amount of oxygen on the surface, you wouldn't be able to burn oceans of hydrocarbons that are supposedly hidden in the mantle. Because you need oxygen to burn it
of course this is just a thought experiment, because this wouldn't be possible to do and survive
If that were the case all the dinosaurs, homosexuals, and various oxygen thieves would have used it all up by now. Plants literally take CO2 and convert it into O2. More CO2 = More plant growth = more oxygen. This is literal 3rd grade science.
you still dont' understand and I'm not in the mood for arguing. Yes, plants recycle oxygen. try burning an ocean of hydrocarbons and you will run out of it, because there's finite amount of it on the surface
Some algae grows exponentially, so as long as there is sunlight and nutrients, they can convert all of that co2 to biomass and oxygen. Fishies will eat and shit out fertilizer for more algae. birds eat fishies and shit out moar fertilizer and that cycle increases. So unless someone blocks out the sun or poisons the water, more CO2= more O2
We sacrifice naggers to volcanos to increase carbon content.
Just make diesel from corn.
>okay then
You agree to original argument that oil is generated by processes occurring deep inside the Earth. Let's just agree to agree.
You are correct, oil is formed by the Earth, but it only happens under certain atmospheric conditions, when the temperature of the earth is above 1000c. Hasn't happened in a few million years.
also
we've had the next technology for nearly a hundred years
we have infinite power already and no need to burn hydro carbons already
the reason why this knowledge is restricted goes back to the other problem I mentioned
>Satanic Pedophiles
Source on webm?
John Hutchinson
weird weird rabbit hole
we used the same tech to do OKC, and 911 and it also powers all the "ufos"
>moon landing is fake, but this is definitely real
>moon landing is fake, but this is definitely real
should probably stop counter signaling from NATO countries glownagger.
>блa блa ти cи флyopecцeнтeн нeгъp щoтo пocтвaш oт Бългapия, кoятo e члeнкa нa HATO
Имaш ли някaкъв apгyмeнт въoбщe?
пpилoжeниe?
тoвa oзнaчaвa ли хoмoceкcyaлeн?
Гyгъл тpaнлeйт нямa дa ти пoмoгнe
cъc cигypнocт щe cтaнe.
He, вceки кoйтo гoвopи бългapcки кaтo мaйчин eзик вeднaгa щe тe paзпoзнae.
Зa твoe yдoбcтвo пишa cpaвнитeлнo книжoвнo, aкo иcкaм мoгa дa ти нaпишa тaкъв oтгoвop, чe гyгъл тpaнcлeйт дa пoлyчи aнeвpизъм.
дoбpe зa тeб?
>no, anyone who speaks Bulgarian who ??? will recognize
>for your convenience write relatively book-like, but can write such a speech that google translate will have (get) an aneurysm
Gotta love it how the similarities between the languages align in such a way that one can surmise the meaning of a sentence without speaking the language.
>fluorescent negro
Lmao.
>Hutchison effect.
Discovered by literal autist that packed his apartment with military grade electronics. Turned it all on and weird shit started happening.
>Discovered by literal autist that packed his apartment with military grade electronics. Turned it all on and weird shit started happening.
and they friend his brain and trooned him out for his trouble
but an absolute hero
Is the Canadian guy from BC? I haven't heard about this guy since the early 00's.
>Is the Canadian guy from BC?
I know he's Canadian, I don't mentally differentiate any of Canada.
all good, I feel the same as Americans.
NOOO ITS DEAD DINOSAUR BONES
>WE HAVE TO LIVE LIKE BUG PEOPLE TO PROTECT MOTHER GAIA
ENGAGE MAXIMUM RETARD
>insert antisemitic caricature of a glowing israelite
Seethe more
>ENGAGE MAXIMUM RETARD
the new meta is based retard
git gud homosexual
thank you for your service
I am but a simple farmer
I plant red pills and harvest cope and seethe
You just created some fine pasta bro
Do you people base all your beliefs off a single glimpse at an infograph? And then preach your newly acquired belief as if it were the Gospel?
Miserable state of this board.
I've known oil was abiotic since 1978 when it was proven by Dr. Fred Weadon and Fred Finell.
Peak oil is peak schizo affective grifting psyop bullshit.
It’s based on the evidence many of us have seen after decades of hearing the
>oil will run out
cope despite the fact that we keep discovering bigger and bigger reserves everywhere on the planet.
What tipped me over the edge was hearing about the "unexplainable" shit they found in the Permian Basin oil field in West Texas. They originally determined that the field was densest in Midland, which is why they set up drilling operations there in the first place, but that it was spread out to North Texas close to the New Mexico/Colorado/Oklahoma border. After decades of pumping wells dry, capping them, and moving on, they came back to check some of the old wells and found them full of oil again. Not only that, as they started using horizontal drilling, they discovered that the field stretched far beyond what they originally thought, far into New Mexico and Colorado. They once projected that Permian would be completely dry somewhere around now. Now they estimate that it has 100 years worth at current usage levels.
>Do you people base all your beliefs off a single glimpse at an infograph?
I normally just post pics so retards like you will have something to bitch about. If you'd like to read about here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
https://www.forbes.com/2008/11/13/abiotic-oil-supply-energenius08-biz-cz_rl_1113abiotic.html
https://www.petroleum.co.uk/abiotic-oil-formation
https://medium.com/the-spouter-magazine/abiotic-oil-theory-evaluated-a19aa7b72ece
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring
https://phys.org/news/2019-04-rewriting-textbook-fossil-fuels-technologies.html
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/215/1/012103/pdf (Synthesis of hydrocarbons under upper mantle conditions: Evidence for the theory of abiotic deep petroleum origin)
Thanks for the reading material. Looking in sufficient depth at any of the stuff posted always requires a tremendous amount of time but this might be one of the things that's worth it. A lot of the stuff posted here is just wishful thinking - "it'd be nice if nukes were fake, so I'm just going to believe that nukes are fake".
>boy if you believed that and believed we were wrong, you'd think you try to contradict the information in that graphic, let's see how this plays out
Why pretend that you know anything about the topic? There's a lot of papers supporting the claim and there's a shitton of papers against the claim, but neither of us have read them, all that we know is what we were taught in schools and what these infographs claim. I'm no petroleum engineer but I'll look into it.
wew really?
>Why pretend that you know anything about the topic?
why pretend to discuss a topic while deliberately avoiding any discussion of the evidence?
because you're countersignaling it
because we're right.
This isn't high school, what the fuck are you saying
>I'm right you're wrong
no nagger, you don't know shit, neither of us do, you didn't post any evidence, just wishful thinking. Yeah it'd be nice.
>This isn't high school, what the fuck are you saying
that you're a fag
> no nagger, you don't know shit, neither of us do
Classic midwit cope.
are you a genuine petroleum engineer? or did you at least read a shitton of books and papers?
>Thanks for the reading material.
Np. Nukes aren't real because I've never seen any evidence of nukes being real. If anything the myth of nukes is being used to suppress nuclear energy replacing oil.
>If anything the myth of nukes is being used to suppress nuclear energy replacing oil.
what do you mean by that?
>what do you mean by that?
>#2 There is great concern that the development of nuclear energy programs increases the likelihood of proliferation of nuclear weapons. As nuclear fuel and technologies become globally available, the risk of these falling into the wrong hands is increasingly present. To avoid weapons proliferation, it is important that countries with high levels of corruption and instability be discouraged from creating nuclear programs, and the US should be a leader in nonproliferation by not pushing for more nuclear power at home (3).
>https://www.greenamerica.org/fight-dirty-energy/amazon-build-cleaner-cloud/10-reasons-oppose-nuclear-energy
>nuke the whales
>>nuke the whales
they fuck with the batteries
>https://medium.com/the-spouter-magazine/abiotic-oil-theory-evaluated-a19aa7b72ece
The medium article ends up making a compelling argument against abiotic oil, that being the complexity of the molecules created. The science checks out that oil can be created this way, just not very much of it.
It's like, nature can accidentally form a rock into a brick every once in awhile, but it won't make a few thousand of them and stack them to form a house.
These same people will tell you all about how a goop puddle of random chemicals was struck by lightning to kickstart the first biological processes which randomly developed into all life we're aware of in the entire universe. Nevermind that even if the universe is ̶1̶3̶ 26 billion years old, the probability of such an event is astronomically small and even if it happened, the time between abiogenesis and human development is too short given the process they assert.
In short, medium are a bunch of fucking midwits making shit up, and you're a retard for believing it.
compelling, but wrong. I like to review both sides of the argument before passing judgement.
>Do you people base all your beliefs off a single glimpse at an infograph?
boy if you believed that and believed we were wrong, you'd think you try to contradict the information in that graphic, let's see how this plays out
> And then preach your newly acquired belief as if it were the Gospel?
>Miserable state of this board.
huh social shaming
weird
no evidence
just social shaming
its easier to just tell us we're right, you don't have to demonstrate the tactics of liars to prove we're right.
In Russia, researchers and geologists actually take abiotic oil seriously which allows them to find reserves where there technically shouldn't be any (if you follow the mainstream approach).
It’s also interesting to note that America and Russia are the only nations with a petroleum industry worth a shit.
Neither operate under the belief that oil is running out anytime soon.
Honorable mention to Denmark and Norway.
The oil gets "sick". So does everything else breathing in the particulates
they base their beliefs off an old book passed through millions of hands and was re written by a israelite in the 1800s
>they base their beliefs off an old book passed through millions of hands and was re written by a israelite in the 1800s
hostility to religion expressed by scarcity pushers
WERID
called it
>when you realize God made this world for us, and the people claiming scarcity are literally Satanic Pedophiles, the world suddenly makes sense.
>Do you people base all your beliefs off a single glimpse at an infograph? And then preach your newly acquired belief as if it were the Gospel?
Only if I see it on twitter or some e-celebrity tells me that it's true.
Yes
>psyop
>literally cannot occur
>also 'fossil fuel' is a psyop too
>when you realize God made this world for us, and the people claiming scarcity are literally Satanic Pedophiles, the world suddenly makes sense.
retardation of American christcucks is getting more and more ridiculous
Up, after we drill it.
The abiotic theory is really popular here because it appears to disprove peak oil and soothes scared /misc/acks, but it's ultimately a red herring. It doesn't matter how oil gets formed, all that matters is the rate at which it gets formed, and that rate will be overcome. Whatever process produces oil, there's a certain average amount that gets made over, say, a year. In order for peak oil not to happen, that rate not only has to equal the amount we use in a year, but it also has to increase to match our increased rate of usage next year. We don't step down our usage of oil even with all the renewables, oil usage continues to grow.
Whatever you think about biotic or abiotic, the idea that the rate of the production of this natural process increases every year is absurd. It's probably constant or close to constant. So there's only two realities; we either will eventually overtake the rate at which oil is produced, or we already have.
Once you're spending more than you're taking in, you're heading for bankruptcy, it's just a matter of time.
>when you realize God made this world for us, and the people claiming scarcity are literally Satanic
I've always been for freedom of religion but the extreme retardism of people like you make me seriously rethink that notion.
Every day I get closer to thinking that anyone of Abrahamic faith should be executed. I'm sure you'd be very happy to die a martyr.
But yes, the leaders of the world are pedophiles and severe oil scarcity is a lie. Even a retard is correct once in a while.
Then what are your beliefs then homosexual?
This. Russians knew it long ago, but the capitalists wanted to make profits, they they invented a story to make oil seem rare, just like they did with diamonds. Oil production is overseen by a literal cartel that is made up of all US and Canadian companies and they put the dinosaur mascots on everything to sell the idea that oil came from fossils. How soon people forgot of the time their ancestors had to drain oil from springs that gushed up from the ground and made pools that killed livestock.
>bro how can bird runs out, the sky literally sweats birds!
I am ashamed of my race beyond measure, we have caused an immesaurable damage to this green earth and robbed our children of god's wonders out of pure greed. We deserve to be raptured.
what God do honor?
>Guys, this theory that was invented to serve the political needs of the Soviet Union also supports my economic theory!
Have you read NOTHING about the history of Communism?
Also, the other anon is right that it's irrelevant - the question is whether the oil formation rate exceeds the extraction rate or not. Since the old days when we just dug a hole and got black facials are over, it is very likely that our extraction rate has in fact exceeded the formation rate for a long, long time.
The soviet communists aren't 1/2 as dangerous as the people pushing 'green' psyops.
/misc/ really is worse than twitter.
Holy fuck.
>hello world
Whatever bot
Beep boop robot.
I bet there is literally nothing I could do short of sharpie up the pooper to convince you I’m not a bot.
It’s always psyop this, damage control that, fed yada yada.
I wish I was getting paid to tell fags they are stupid and should feel bad.
Bullying people for being shitty doesn’t work if they don’t have any shame.
You are certainly not creative and obviously unable to deliver anything beyond the vulgar and profane as of yet.
If you truly are not a bot or the handler, who took control after it being found out; that’s sad and perhaps some food for thought for you.
there's a solution
Okay back to LULZ I go.
The posters in this thread are more delusional than a tranny.
The abiotic stuff is 50 years old.
What happens is black shale is traped yadayada, and them turns into gasogen and them goes to a geological trap.
This shale is formed during resurgence(el nino la nina) where the winds thin the warm water layer so that the cold water layer can rise up.
>The abiotic stuff is 50 years old.
yeah the best information is always the newest stuff
Retard.
monkey
>we need x
>so invent a theory that supports the desired condition
classic soviet science
let's bring back egalitarian agriculture next because survival of the fittest is too capitalistic
%3D%3D
> ‘climate change’ ‘net zero carbon’ fags when the Iceland volcano is about to spews more carbon than all of the history of human kind
how severely mentally retarded do you have to be to believe that one volcanic eruption dumps more into the atmosphere than millions of human factories around the world running 24/7?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_volcanic_eruptions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervolcano#Massive_explosive_eruptions
https://www.statista.com/statistics/276629/global-co2-emissions/
>What happens when oil runs out
I'll play along.
You get oil from crops.
mad max happens
What do I care I'll be dead by that time
We make some more.
How do other countries have oil and gas on them despite the absence of fossils
>psyops within psyops within psyops
a rare psyop^cubed
dasting
*DEEP BREATH*
SPACE IS FAKE
DINOSAURS ARE FAKE
THE THEORY THAT OIL COMES FROM FOSSILS IS FAKE
We use hydrogen
oil is the lubricant that keep earth's axle from throwing a bearing and burning up.
if we continue to remove the oil without replacing it, earth will come to a grinding halt and we'll all fly off etc.
to do my part, every 3000 miles I dump 15 quarts of used diesel motor oil down by the creek. the organic fag farmer down stream cries and bitches for a week or so every time but that's about it.
>if we continue to remove the oil without replacing it,
Dumbfuck. Earth creates it in the heated core. It percolates up through cracks. It doesn't run out and we don't extract enough for the planet to experience loss of pressure.
>another unproven theory
if we don't believe "proven reserves" of any sort, even approximations, then the entire conversation is a moot point because anybody could write off everything as conspiracies.
What I've read is that new oil fields in general gets harder to find and there is no "regeneration" of spent fields of any sort.
Is there any information available that contradicts this besides catchall conspiracy theories?
It's funny how we continue to find more and more oil, while the "experts" continue to talk about "peak oil" and how we are going to run out of it this century.
t. petroleum engineer
So how much is really down there
More than humans could use in 1000 lifetimes.
There's so much they can't even begin to quantify it. Oceans of oil thousands of feet deep and miles and miles in breadth almost everywhere on the planet. We just aren't allowed to touch it because the ayy overlords said so.
t.loominami elite secret squirrel nagger killer
Just piss in the tank and it run smoothly.
pic related
check your oil twice a year
>check your oil twice a year
Lol. It's every 2-3 months for me. Just because I drive damn near 300 a day for work, in my personal vehicle.
basically, we'll do what the germans did during the war, we'll convert our cars to run on woodgas, and use coal-burning locomotives and ships
coal burning seems to be getting more and more common these days...
We enslave naggers again, the only reason why they're running wild is because oil tech made the white men too comfy to give a fuck about anything but star wars movies.
Watch what happens when there is no more electricity to run our fucking phones.
Will build a hamster wheel to make those coons run on it till they drop dead
The global civilization that is sustained only on the EROI of oil will collapse and be reduced to whatever EROI of local stuff like like wood and coal can sustain. Which looking at historic numbers and comparing it to oil isnt much. The greenest thing humanity can do is go nuclear for energy keep pushing fusion until were nothing but ash. Hydrogen, helium3. Whatever
With current reserves we have about 300 years worth of oil left.
With current reserves.
By the time oil "runs out" we will have been to Titan and back draining the moon of its oceans of oil.
oil is abiotic, retard
what the fuck? this whole thread reads like a fever dream
Oil is abiotic you flat earth retard.
>What happens when oil runs out
The earth creates more. Same as it ever was.
Re-tool cars with engines to run on pic related
I run on that
Brazil has been ethanol-pilled for more than 40 years, maybe someone can chime in. It is even more fun when mixed with Nitromethane.
theres enough coal and hydrocarbon for 100.000 years at which point it will have regenerated in the form of massive global forests
OP, oil situation is fucked up...
Past few months some changes in Europe occured with oil silent market we were tapping in, and refining chemicals as well... we have Big Problems!
I've been waiting... the tankers coming in empty are coming empty because we could not get it... and even worse, traitors are selling it still!
I've ran everything and it's a fucked up situation!
We have idiots attempting to resolve the problems they created, intentionally too often, that's how bad shit is!
What happens when battery goes dead...
Diesel trucks will run food from Cali to here within six weeks to stop absolute civil war to a point of no return with bikes pulling them!
Especially when reserves left are needed for the military when it find out just how bad shit is!
>>what happens
>>you're going to wish you bought that e-car
Well either your stuck on a 8 year car since once the battery dies your going to have to pay the same cost as a new car for a battery or get a new car. That isn't assuming the government doesn't also restrict cars in future as well. Governments fear the nuclear power car. Its mostly likely going to be hydrogen cars if car companies keep the staus quo. Natural gas if the gas companies get to use the microbes that fart Natural gas out in their allge tubes at Shell
dumbasses like you will have to operate the dinosaur juicer.
If it runs out (which it won't), everyone moves to diesel engines. Diesel engines were meant to run on vegetable oil originally.
It doesn't.
What happens when carrington event occurs
>be scared of space goy
you homosexuals are so fucking gay
Just make fuel out of fat people, you'll get:
- quasi-unlimited amount of energy
- less greenhouse
- better healthcare
>tl;dr kill all fatties
The whole peak oil meme is good fun, but things tend to be a slow build not an immediate crisis. We adapt to change. If we start to go into a downward trend of production we will see people shift away from oil in different ways. Alternatives will be adopted once the cost becomes lower than oil based options.
Ultimately the real issue is pesticides and fertilizers. Transport will find methods to cope, but mass agriculture will be the real tell of whether this will cause us to suffer. Currently we just keep increasing production every year. The sheer scope of our need for diesel is something normies can't comprehend when they talk about driving EV. Eventually we need to figure out what to do about trucks, container ships and planes. We could all drive ICE vehicles to work if we didnt consume all that oil in order to transport goods across the globe, package everything in petroleum plastics and spray all our food with petroleum products. As costs increase, other methods will arise and we'll find solutions. Unfortunately normies will continue to screech about it without addressing the fundamentals.
We are so focused on carbon dioxide and fossil fuels we have forgotten about the basic symbiosis of the globe. We cut all the trees down and ruin the oceans, both of which affect the balance of the atmosphere. Instead of fixing these baseline elements, they tell people that if we all drive an EV that the problem will be solved. Even though their EV necessitates massive production costs and carbon emissions. All the lithium and rare earth metals to create these monsters coupled with the energy production makes them more carbon producing for years before they offset ICE vehicles.
>We could all drive ICE vehicles to work if we didnt consume all that oil in order to transport goods across the globe, package everything in petroleum plastics and spray all our food with petroleum products.
-If we didn't consume all that oil to produce the minerals and metals for EV's.
fyfy
Each kike that dies at the hands of Hamas is a child spared from a pederast. Death to israelite. Death to tel-aviv. Death to isreal.
>oil will ~~*run out*~~ goy, you must stop using it!
>use the remotely controllable electronic stuff, goy
>you are asking how do we produce the electricity? that's none of your business, goy!
Batteries run on coal. What happens when the coal runs out? Solar has been around since the 1970's and has not improved much at all. Wind is a just a joke not worthy of a meme.
>Solar has been around since the 1970's and has not improved much at all.
What the hell are you talking about?
Despite massive strides and expenditures it doesn't manage to make a dent on the global energy market. They build some huge solar farm that doesnt even have the capacity of a small coal plant on a good day, but it's subject to conditions and requires massive battery infrastructure to be used at peak hours.
That's not even remotely true, and I'm asking about the retarded claim that the technology hasn't improved.
Prices are half of what they were 10 years ago and efficiency is up by a lot.
Solar right now makes commercial sense even without any subsidies and I know this because I work in the industry.
I don't know where people get these ideas from.
> Solar right now makes commercial sense even without any subsidies
lol
>I know this because I work in the industry
LOL, talk about conflict of interest.
Imagine if Europe would have developed a petrol industry 20 years ago instead of relying on Russia. Then expensive solar wouldn’t ever make commercial sense.
Do you understand that we install solar power for factories and other businesses that only care about their bottom line and don't get any money from the government for investing in solar power?
Or do you think they are complete retards and we're scamming them? Do you have an actual argument nagger?
We barely have any programs for it here in Bulgaria, there's been a new one that started in the middle of this year and the budget for it is tiny, you have to jump though a lot of hoops and it comes with strings attached.
The point is even without any subsidies the price of the panels has crashed, there are all-in-one inverters with built in MPP trackers and communication and they aren't even that expensive, the price is low enough to make financial sense on the free market.
Obviously you're not going to make your whole country run on solar, but it works on the scale of a single home or business.
It might not have been what he meant but I just interpreted as despite improvements they're just not viable for large scale production.
The fact you claim to be in the industry just means your incentivized to say it's good.
In the state I live in, we have thrown subsidies at solar and wind stations have been built all over, yet renewables still haven't gone up in terms of market share of energy production. Even despite artificial market forces.
In germany they've thrown more money into solar than anyone else, but some years they have to crank up the coal plants to compensate for the inconsistency of renewables.
I think they're great on small scale, like businesses and homes. But no matter how much money we pump into them, they're never going to take over huge market share of the energy market. You need physical space to use them, which for some countries is in short supply, and some of the resources will eventually become scarce unless alternative methods are approached.
Oh yes you work In the subsidized industry I'll take anon is full of shit for a 1000 please
>subsidized
I just spent an entire post explaining that it's not and this is your knee jerk reaction, don't even bother replying to me retard.
Yes and I imply your full of it, it is subsidized, to get a solar farm my county just had a vote to give the builders a fisful of tax abatements to " try" and get the " business" for all 10 jobs it will produce. Never mind all the farm land and pasture that will be ruined, I voted yes as taking 5000 acres of land ( across) the rad from me means I'll have way better deer hunting ... but look at all the oak trees we lose fighting Carbon for the solar farm .... green energy.....ha ha ha ha
Rebuttal all you like I'm off to frak a oilwell thread will be dead when I get back
I don't give a shit about YOUR country mutt.
I'm talking about MY country. Jesus Christ...
You Should be planting vegetables or grazing cattle instead instead of covering the land with solar panels.
No wonder you are hungary.
You refill it.
Spun bearings not good
Toyota has already developed an internal combination engine that runs on ammonia. Also making diesel from non petroleum sources is too fucking easy.
You destroy your bearing and the whole engine what a dumb question
There's a couple options.
>Mass produce EVs and use nuclear to make up the shortfalls in electrical production.
>Redesign our infrastructure to simply use less energy, i.e. walkability so that most daily commuting can be done by foot or bicycle etc
>Perish
But it’s duh jooos
Well you say it’s not and they say it is http://www.arcworld.org/downloads/israeliClimateCampaign%20Draft%201.pdf
eurotards will be fucked and forced to bend the knee to their paki overlords, but americans will just start pulling out what they have been sitting on for decades
itll be interesting when it does "run out", because it wont "run out", itll just become extremely restricted, extremely fast. the major militaries arnt going to just sit around and go "welp, when it runs low i guess we ditch the tanks and jets and start walking", fuck no, the second it looks like "one side hoarding more" will win, itll go into resource acquisition mode like youve never seen before in your life, and gas at the pump will be 100 dollars gallon, if your lucky. so its just a matter of how soon
You're an ignoramus if you think the answer is electric cars.
The energy in electric cars has to come from somewhere. And the wind and solar sources are very unreliable. Until recently, solar didn't "break even", where the energy to create the solar panels and infrastructure was more than the solar panel produced in it's useful lifetime.
Gotta go nuclear, and the best way to distribute the energy is by converting it to petroleum.
Our next generation of affirmative action scientists can totally maintain and operate nuclear power safely.
We go back to riding horses. Have you bought a horse farm recently, anon?
No i have a sailboat
i guess his question never gets answered to his satisfaction
Everything they told us so far has been a lie, so peak oil is also probably a lie, as well as "fossil fuels". The reason being they want to create artificial scarcity to maximize profit as well as control everything. If oil truly was so scarce, plane tickets would cost much more. The real bottleneck is refining, building new refineries or maintaining existing ones. That requires skilled labor which we are running out of. My father worked in El Segundo for one of the refineries and they had him doing overtime constantly to help with the boilers. Also worked on offshore rigs.
>What happens when oil runs out?
Libs are annihilated
But it isn’t and most oil wells are refilling, because oil neither stems from imaginary terrible lizards nor from algae and other small decayed organisms.
Cope
Is this peak oil in the room with us right now?
>The peak oil in the room.
OP has never seen the clown that hides from homosexuals.
>Oil runs out.
Oil is produced by the subduction of tectonic plates. Organic matter that is dragged down to the mantle is heated and turns into oil. We will never run out of oil and natural gas, you've been lied to.
tectonic plate subduction hasnt been observed, it takes too long for it to occur in any meaningful capacity
>MRNA vaxxed hands typed this.
This is probably the most well-established scientific theory that has verifiable geological evidence. I thought you trusted le science?
trust these nuts homosexual
Behold! King of Extra Chromosomes!
we can make hydrocarbons out of carbon dioxide with solar power. We can make fuel out of coal and gas
it wont' run out any time soon anyway.
>What happens when oil runs out
Weird how we have to do what the israelites demand of us to avoid that from happening.
your question brought me back to the 90s
i wonder how much exxon pays you retards to claim oil is infinite
science says it is essentially renewable - are you denying science, homosexual?
not quick enough to be replaceable, nagger.
even if it did i dont want plastics soifying the world
>oil companies pay people to claim oil is infinite
You get that they at the very least expect it and probably know it, but obviously they won’t tell anyone, because oil prices would go down and prices for new fields would go up. Both certainly not things they would like to happen.
Judiasm happens
Poorfags won’t have a car, simple as. Or they’ll be israeliteed relentlessly for usurary loans for EV.
Were that to occur you would see worldwide population reduced by billions.
you die horrifically in a city.
if not in a city, you starve to death in your suburb.
If not in a suburb you better organize like mad and form armies quick because you are about to have hordes of locust show up in vast numbers to eat your shit and rape your women as they move around.
And if you are in the countryside and know how to grow and are doing in enough for a years food. You better get your game face on. If those grain silo's get emptied to be shipped to the cities, YOU are going to starve.
Oil is food. Oil is potable water. Oil is transport. Oil is stability. Oil is power.
>What happens when oil runs out
They suddenly discover more
But there isnt all that much so they have to hike the fuck out of the prices
Zero point
waste gas made from rotting meat
(it won't)
Portugal olive oil superpower
they'll restrict it the way they are restricting sudafed and other cold relief products
>propane engines
>natural gas engines
gassifiers
HHO
quit being a homosexual OP
We grow oil, it won't run out. We need to stop poisoning food with it and use it for its intended purpose - lubrication & fuel.
oil can be made from algae fairly cheaply. Not as cheap as from the ground currently but if it comes down to necessity the technology would improve.
Oil doesn't run out. It was literally proven decades ago to be a renewal resource constantly regenerating.
Everything that says it's not is globohomo lies to push their climate agenda and make corporations rich
Peak oil happened in 2008 and was the actual cause of the financial crisis. Fracking bought us some time but now it's an utter land grab evidenced by the war in ukraine and the middle east. They (media) will not tell you the truth. Iran has the last great pot of oil. That is why what is happening is happening. All the 'Nothing ever happens' fags should go eat a dick right now.
>when oil runs out
Untapped arctic sources alone contain more oil than humanity has ever consumed. By far.
Bio-diesel
Horses aren't extinct yet so maybe time to cowboy up or go equestrian for single moms
Yes alternatives exist but they cant support 8 billion people on earth. You couldnt even provide enough fuel for the usa alone with biofuel
The EROI of oil is so far and above any available alternative that society literally collapses overnight without it. That's it, end of story. All of the geopolitical conflict on this planet is based solely on one resource, OIL. Anyone who preaches otherwise is an outright LIAR.
you might see a reduction of personal transportation as it will become more expensive.
But there are alternatives you could use biofuels and wood gas.
There will be more EV vehicles running from nuclear plants.
Things will become less plentifull. So rahter than buying a cellphone every 2 years you might do it every 5 to 10 years.
Horses will be more valuable than ever before I guess then
You’ll see guys with Bentley or Royce being pulled by full bred stallions from rich estates
So do the batteries
Everyone rapes everyone to death
Then we make oil from plastic via pyrolysis.
There will be billions of naggers we can burn as fuel
The complete and total collapse of society as we know it.
Hope you've been prepping, because it's happening soon.
right now there's a supply glut actually, prices are really low because non-OPEC nations are fighting with OPEC nations and iran, venezuela, nigeria, algeria, libya, iraq are all getting brought back into the international network. so oil prices are relatively low
all that could change pretty quickly if iran tries a blockade or erdogan shuts down the turkish pipelines and Putin shuts down the ukrainian pipelines and pipelines up into europe
which is very possible
to answer your question: martial law would be instituted within 96 hours. people would lose their shit and start looting within 48. fema camps will be created in auditoriums and malls and wal marts would be turned into supply distribution centers. all under the auspices of FEMA.
not my problem
wtf? why was i under the impression until reading this thread that oil came from fossils from the carboniferous era? cause that's just coal. why did i think it was oil too? am i a retard or is this a common misconception?
it never will
but you will be killed regardless
we will have to process naggers and israelites to biofuel
Your engine is GG'd, use quality oil filters too and occasionally change your PCV valve to prevent excessive oil burning.
>peak oil
Fuckwit detected.
ok so the ~~*scientific consensus*~~ is that oil can be abiotic but most of what we have found comes from plants and algae from the devonian period
what's the proof either way? it seem way too political a subject of study to have anything other than people saying they are right and the other side is wrong