Pooner here and I keep hearing gay men talk about going to bath houses and it's just so mysterious to me, what happens in them? And are they transmen friendly? I'm top surgery post op and 2 years on t
What happens at gay bath houses?
Pooner here and I keep hearing gay men talk about going to bath houses and it's just so mysterious to me, what happens in them? And are they transmen friendly? I'm top surgery post op and 2 years on t
generally people have sex in them. its not impossible for it to be ftm friendly but you need to do research on the venue if you’re interested to see if it is and even if they say they are its still possible youre gonna be treated badly because lots of cisgays are transphobic.
True in my experience cisgays were always way more transphobic than conservative straight people
The snubbing is mutual I'm too young to have to settle for boomers
you havent got what theyre looking for and cis gay men tend to get really fucking tired of dealing with the obligations of heteronormativity. not to say that you represent that, but if you were a cis gay man and wanted to spend time with only cis gay men would you be cheery about a pooner showing up?
find one thats known to be FtM friendly if you really wanna go, better to go where youre actually welcome, youll have a better time. if not just get networking and go to a sauna as a group or something idk.
see how they responded to you? thats the reality of it. they dont hate you so much as theyre voicing irritation at something theyre not interested in being put in what they consider to be their space. if youre a cis gay, you learn to be aggressive and confrontational about your preferences on these things or people refuse to recognise them.
Gay men are almost weirdly sadistic in showing their disdain towards gay trans men. Is this some sort of late revenge for the bullying the had to endure at the hands of straight men and women? Generally speaking, us male-attracted trans men don't have anything to do with this, we went through our own hell growing up. We are not straight women and never will be.
theres an resentment of heteronormativity that never quite leaves cis gay subjectivity, tbh. its not even a question of bullying, its the lingering resentment of being other, of being treat in ways you dont enjoy, in being forced to indulge a perspective you dont enjoy, of being able to relate to next to nobody, and of nobody being able to relate to you. this is expressed in bitchiness and harsh rebuke wherever gay male subjectivity is infringed upon if one has any connection to their own feelings.
i dont doubt youve had your own experience, but respect theirs and their desires. theyve had enough of people ignoring them and pretending they dont exist. instead go look for people who are specifically into FtMs or at least ok with them. itd be like me showing up to one as an MtF with a big rack expecting to fit in because im amab and i like men. i would probably get told to fuck off too, or ignored.
>its the lingering resentment of being other, of being treat in ways you dont enjoy, in being forced to indulge a perspective you dont enjoy, of being able to relate to next to nobody, and of nobody being able to relate to you.
And they're not able to understand that this is the exact fucking way trans men feel too, especially homosexual ones? We're not welcome anywhere, not even in our "own" spaces. Talk about lacking self-awareness
>i dont doubt youve had your own experience, but respect theirs and their desires.
For sure. I have no issues with people stating their sexual preferences and am well aware of most gay men not being attracted to trans men, including that in our dating endeavours and being considerate about it is part of our modus operandi. I've known fully transitioned trans men who only went for straight men, not even bisexual ones, because of their own inferiority complexes.
>itd be like me showing up to one as an MtF with a big rack expecting to fit in because im amab and i like men. i would probably get told to fuck off too, or ignored.
Probably. Not if you go by the opinions of the gay men on this board though, I can't count the times I've read something along the lines of "I'd fuck a mtf before ever touching a ftm, at least they have a dick", so you might still be more welcome than us in that imaginary scenario.
That makes sense mtf are men at first lol so that's normal.
>And they're not able to understand that this is the exact fucking way trans men feel too, especially homosexual ones? We're not welcome anywhere, not even in our "own" spaces. Talk about lacking self-awareness
its not that, its that they dont care to be aware. to embrace your own subjectivity means to cease taking in the broader picture when it comes to matters of your own desire. youre out for you, others can come after. you wont get anywhere with those sorts, nor should you think yourself better than them for not being like them.
> I can't count the times I've read something along the lines of "I'd fuck a mtf before ever touching a ftm, at least they have a dick
id bet money that doesnt hold perfectly in reality. maybe if youre a clocky twink hon, but if you really put passing first, theyll be put off by that. they dont want a chick with a dick do these sorts, they want a GAMP gay guy.
the other anons advice is pretty on the money tbh. carry yourself like a bloke and take no shit, but dont go in expecting people to be friendly. meet "fuck off, tunapoon" with "likewise, cunt". embrace the specific nature of your situation, your own particularity, and do what you can to find your crowd.
>you wont get anywhere with those sorts, nor should you think yourself better than them for not being like them.
Why shouldn't I think myself better than them for not being like them? Is there any justification to act the way they do? They can have everything they have right now without risking to lose anything if they're not treating trans men like shit. We are just people after all and we can sense when we're not welcome somewhere. If trans men existing were their biggest threat rn, which it's not, homophobia would be a thing of the past. They'd rather ignore the insane amounts of cis men who kill and violate them and pretend we're some sort of straight psy-op to turn them away from their sex lives, when normie cis straight people try to forcefully stop us from transitioning as best as they can, instead. Gay men are hypocrites.
>id bet money that doesnt hold perfectly in reality.
I really don't care, they just say whatever in hopes it'll hit a sensitive spot.
>embrace the specific nature of your situation, your own particularity, and do what you can to find your crowd.
Yeah that's good advice. I'm more of a reserved, conflict-avoiding person, but maybe I shouldn't be. Not sure how to best deal with people being cunts, I'm socially challenged. So far I've been avoiding the gay community as a whole, my only interaction with gay men being on here and other social media. I'm into men, but I'm alright with being celibate.
>Is there any justification to act the way they do?
it benefits them. no other consideration need be made beyond that. you should expect a certain degree of selfish logic when it comes to gay men. dont like this? swing for by men instead.
>your shit
they dont care. theyll never care. theyre done caring about anyone but themselves. you should expect a certain amount of effeminate selfishness from gay men.
>should or shouldnt
doesnt matter. do what works. you wanna hang around gay men without behaving like them? youll get ostricised. they really dont care if theyre being fair to people they dont view as their own. even siding with the outgroup on a given issue will result in people trying to exclude you, because gays can be cliquey motherfuckers.
>by
*bi
I have a few gay male acquaintances, but it is true that there is a uniquely large subset of cis gay men who are very insular. Completely fenced off from the rest of the lgbt, and from any “progressive” ideas about race or gender. You don’t usually see a lesbian equivalent or trans equivalent of this phenomenon.
> Terfs
Also gay men are men. What did you expect
They don’t think lesbians are homosexuals too??
Gay men don't tend to hang out with lesbians in general
I’m aware they don’t hang out together but I assumed they consider the phenomenon itself to be symmetrical
They are okay with lesbians in a kind of “nod to distantly acknowledge” way, but ‘party gays’ don’t hang out with much of the rest of lgbt including lesbians, they are their own thing separate from the so-called lgbt movement. So you can’t expect the insular gays to act all that nice to trans people (even the tranners who don’t want to fuck them), because they just want to hang out amongst themselves, their survival in older times was based on a “fuck off, I speak my mind” attitude, and they have no form of social pressure or social training in acting nice to trans people. I brought up race also because some of them are subtly racist, but no more than you would expect a cis straight guy of that age are to be.
It’s different for lesbian culture, which is more integrated into the wider culture of lgbt and “social progressiveness”, despite the fears here of lesbian TERFs, most lesbians have some form of exposure to and ‘training’ on acting nice to trans people and/or racial minorities
i think theres a unique quality to the gay experience that can generate a defensive hostility, because sometimes you really do need to repeatedly yell "fuck off" at people for them to get the message about who you are and what you want, particularly with older generations.
my generation was always kinda eh, but man, working with boomers really puts things into perspective. they cannot grasp anything, their brains are shot, they know nothing beyond the norm and cant even fathom it. theyll repeat over and over again "if youre gay youre gay, but this gender stuff is madness" without any hint of grasping what it means to be gay beyond "he likes guys", and then proceed to rant for half an hour about people identifying as trains or helicopters or some other inane bullshit that hasnt been funny in nearly a decade even in chud circles. keep that in mind when trying to grasp why gay men, particularly older gay men, have this kind of instinctive hostility to anything that isnt explicitly what they want.
As unfortunate as it is, those responses helped me a lot to understand their mentality. It is in a way commendable how they embraced unbridled sexual selfishness, I might've been the same if I was born a cis gay. By now it's clear mocking trans men is nothing but collateral damage to them.
As frustrated as I am at times, the real problem isn't them, but the complete lack of community for gay trans men. Gay men have their own communities to retreat to as well as lesbians and trans women, we don't have that. I can't speak on straight trans men, but I know they've been embraced by lesbians and bi women for the longest time.
T4t is one attempt to make a space for us, this doesn't work for trans men who are only attracted to cis men however. We have to do the exact same thing the rest of the LGBT community did in its beginnings, organize and create our own intra-communities. Gay trans men have always existed, but we never had a place we belonged to. Mainly because we were so rare, and now there's a lot of us all of a sudden.
So called "gay transmen" or "transbians" are new. Unlike hsts who existed since antiquity (feminellis, hijas, faafafine). The first one exists only in industrialized civilisations where technology creates Monsters ex nihilo instead of curing their mental illness. Period.
Trans men didn't have much opportunity to transition before the industrialization, doesn't mean there weren't some who identified as men, homosexual men even. They were entirely unwanted, therefore it's rare to find any recordings of their existence. Your argument makes no sense
No straight women -400 BC in Palestine would have the feeling of "being a gay man trapped in a woman's body" c'mon. And it's not just because we couldn't Bear them
You know you're weak and you're ideology isn't supported by anything historicaly or biologicaly.
I don't need historical evidence to justify my existence, I just am and do to my body as I please.
You never existed. You're not a man and will never be fucking libertarian anti scientific dumbshit. Libtards with no regourous concepts
And well ofc. I'm mad the prior assumptions that you are women.
Hm?
Most native americans had gender roles for trans people that weren't defined by who they married. There was one two spirit AMAB who married a woman.
Stop appropriating native americans culture. Gender Colonialists
Literally any LGBT group or event I’ve been to has been mostly afab. Where are these spaces for specifically gay men you are talking about? Bath houses don’t count cause it’s mostly boomers and just kinda icky.
Look, for me personally if I interact with a pooner, FtM passing transman, or a theyfab IRL I’m going to be polite (unless they give me a reason not to be like by being an asshole). But I’m still struggling with conflicted feelings when it comes to gay transmen…
On one hand, I know I can’t understand the dysphoria and then on top of that current bottom surgeries for FtM are not to the point where you can have a indistinguishable from cis penis, even with the best surgeon…. But then on the other hand I just can’t help but feel like there’s this EXTREMELY small pool of cis gay men already and it makes it so hard to date and find a partner—then here comes gay transmen who could have stayed female and had 48% of the population (all straight men) as potential partners but are trying to date the already small amount of gay guys.
It’s hard for me to not feel frustrated even though I know actual transmen aren’t just doing this on a whim.
it's hilarious that ftms literally always just type and act like women.
>IM the one that's suffering the most!!
>writes paragraphs of this utter nonsense as if anyone cares
lol. man up, unironically. unless you're actually a woman
Oh boo hoo, someone wants to play oppreshun Olympics. Suck it up buttercup, shit happens, you don't get to claim you're oppressed based on your feelings
you are a dumb, unthinking nagger. blacker than the darkest african. your IQ lower than even the most fentanyl addled ghetto wog in the entirety of the states. i hope the chinese put you in a zoo.
Racist pooners needs to be exterminated.
You first, nagger
My experience has been that gay cis guys IRL are overall quite accepting, and it's not been that hard for me to date or form networks of friendships with other gay men. Nearly all of my friendships were with other gay men until a recent move, actually. LULZ is just a bad place to get a read on normal social behavior.
but yes, I would say that the overexaggerated reaction to feeling like one has to defend one's sexuality is a trauma response. It makes sense given a lifetime of people trying to pressure you to have sex you don't want. When I meet people who are like this I try to be gentle and understanding, and I also expect that they not step on MY tail by going on and on about how bodies like mine are disgusting or I'm not real, etc. I'm a type of man that this person doesn't want to have sex with. That's perfectly ok.
"Other gay men".
> XX hairy straight woman
Yes, other gay men. Thank you for demonstrating that terminally online behavior I mentioned.
Cis women are hairy too
Dont give me even more help to reinforce the idea that they are girls
"The type of men" (woman)
Literally a heterosexual female on hormones
You were meant for the poonseekers
Shit tier bait
Gay saunas are a boomer thing.
They go there to not have to deal with weak n dumb roasties, what makes you think theyll be happy to see you there
I'm a gay transman
fujo flavored roastie
No actually I'm extremely dysphoric and never use my pussy, I'm a top
No gay men want pooners if they don't give their poosay. Gay men will never see you as a man and if you're a top they will laugh at your yaoi strapon. Pooners are delusional man.
>gay men men dont want pooners if
>if they dont give their pussy
so they're not gay men
I avoid those masc4masc intimdating men, I only really persue young fem bottoms and even when rejected they were cordial I'm not pushy I keep my hands to myself
I want to get topped by a poonbro so badly it hurts
>those masc4masc intimidating men
i fucking hate pooners. how are you going to live as a dude being afraid of men who arent dainty?
t. pooner
I used to not fear them at all! But then I've experienced way more transphobic aggression from them than even straight conservative Christian folks
Duh homosexuals get mad at females trying to get with them.
This is my experience as well and I’m a straight ftm. A lot of cis gay men either assume I want to fuck them and act catty as fuck, or they learn that I only want women and proceed to openly repeatedly refer to me as a lesbian and sometimes start bitching to me about gaydens anyway
For conservative christians, they can’t clock me anyway, but even if I reveal myself to be trans, 20% act kind of weird and evasive and scared but still superficially nice, 40% act nice but subtly treat me like a woman, and 40% act nice and basically treat me like a man
where i am i get violent threats and rape threats if a christian conservative finds out i'm trans, despite being a pooner. this is in the united states, i'd genuinely be better off in bongland
I’m glad to live where everyone is nonviolent, but for some reason the gay men here are usually more rude than the conservatives, although I think this is an effect of the gay men being more outspoken and less inhibited in general. I bet some of those conservatives think I’m weird and going to hell, but they just don’t say it. Granted, if you are born into a conservative family, that’s a whole other matter, but if you aren’t part of their family/church, they are too culturally courteous to confront you even as much as a gay man would
Don’t listen to them anon I’ve blasted the contents of so many gay men’s epididymises all over my mattress. The fags here are just jealous of your strap being bigger than them.
dream man
>implying gay pooners would even want to sex your poopy pozz hole
Truke, straight Ftm here. I do not respect the disease carriers.
Personally I think attraction to men is illogical.
Not much differentiates straight women and gay men which is why I generally avoid both unless it’s a cool pooner or gay man with similar interests
Gay pooners spend a considerable amount of time seething on the the internet because real gay men dont give them the time of the day, this is pure cope
You're kidding right? For every gay pooner post theres like 100 mtfs seething
I certainly do! And attraction to women is also illogical, attraction has nothing to do with logic and if you think it does you must have a very dull sex life.
This isn't true I have gay friends met through mutual interests, they're just not masc4macs but those aren't the only gay men in the world.
The reason it’s illogical is because you lose something from having sex with men In the way gay men do. Shitting in a diaper at 40 because you had too much gay sex is not desirable.
Women are sexy and you don’t lose anything from having sex with them
If that were true most gay men would be in diapers by now, pick fresher bait next time than recycled homophobia from the 80s
You're a woman and you know it.
The more you keep forcing yourself into gay male spaces, the more we're going to hate you, little pooner.
Actually. 5 years ago I was ambivalent about ftms. Now that my grindr feed is flooded with pooners I fucking hate the fuckers
I began to hate them so rapidly.
>just lick the pussy bigot
No
>I'm a man too
No you're not.
>they assume I want to fuck them
Because whenever pooners insert themselves into male spaces, it's usually in a sort of "I'M A MAN TOO, ACCEPT MY BONUS HOLE!" kinda way.
>t. masc4masc top
i'm sorry you experienced that. i'm a straight ftm and i only like pussy, so this is why i really fucking hate most mtfs, very specifically agps. i will never fuck someone who ever had a penis, for any reason
I'll be completely honest. I'm sure you're probably decent. However invariably every single ftm that's gay or bi that I come across is so fucking insufferable when I don't want to fuck their poon, this is the reputation that ftms have created with gay men.
>"You should fuck/lick/suck my bonus hole! Genital preferences are transphobic!"
This shit is everywhere and not nearly enough ftms are clamping down on it. I hate to say it bro but your own kind fucked you over.
Nta I’m
and what I find significant is gay men say whatever they want. I have no doubts that for any conservative (male or female) and for most women, if they learn I am trans, they think I’m just a delusional lesbian. But usually they try to make some effort to pretend otherwise and be nice. And I have met gay men who also try to pretend otherwise and be nice, but in general gays and especially party gays are the least inhibited group I know
For better or for worse depending on your personal values
>they think I'm just a delusional lesbian
I mean given what's all over social media and dating apps, is it really that outlandish that they think that?
>and be nice
See here's the thing. I stop being nice when they get all "oh you're transphobic because you don't want to fuck me!" or "you want to exclude me from this sex segregated space! You're a bigot!"
I try to judge people by how they individually act irl and not what the internet says.
I really feel that it’s just a matter of weaker “social contracts” among a subset of gays. If someone is behaving politely to you as an individual in real life, I’m a straight normie who believes that you behave politely back, which means not calling him a lesbian or shittalking other FtMs to him. But they have different values, they want to speak their minds and don’t want to lie.
It is bad sometimes even for the gaydens who aren’t “baiting” cis gay men. I know a passing ftm with a cis bi boyfriend, he used to party with cis gays, and if any cis gay guy thought he was cis male and started flirting with him, he would say he is trans and also he has a boyfriend so he isn’t interested. But a good number of cis gays get all catty and dramatic about it, and also began to pester his boyfriend about “trying a real man.” It’s probably a mix of hornybrain and lack of said social contract.
> I stop being nice when they get all "oh you're transphobic because you don't want to fuck me!" or "you want to exclude me from this sex segregated space! You're a bigot
Does that happen often? I can’t comprehend this level of entitlement
Not even a lesbian, but a straight one
>>"You should fuck/lick/suck my bonus hole! Genital preferences are transphobic!
Did you ever see an ftm say this irl or was it just terminally online twitter trannies trying to get attention? I don't believe than any ftm irl would put themselves in a position to be treated in an abusive transphobic way? Unless they were profoundly autistic. I was treated in a transphobic way but men who were a lot taller and larger and it caused me so much dysphoria and humiliation I couldnt get over for months. I learned who to avoid and it's usually masc4mascs who are the most transphobic. This isnt to say all gay men are like this, many have been very respectful and gently rejected when they found out I was afab which is completely justified and I never pushed it further.
I wonder if masc4masc has a moderately higher chance of being transphobic, because they tend to be their own insular community, away from the rest of lgbt, so they experience less social pressure to act nice to trans people. Also the number of them who have spent much of their life defending their male-attracted sexuality to homophobes, so if they meet an ftm (especially a passing ftm), they feel like we are trying to trick them into being straight
>”you are saying it is transphobic to simply not want to fuck you”
Which I’m not, and it says everything about someone who assumes I mean it that way
That's what you are doing uterus haver
>it’s what you are doing
I’m not even gay, but there’s a number of cis gay men who get offended when they approach a passing trans guy with flirty intentions, and then the guy says he is trans. No you weren’t “tricked”, stop acting all hysterical and hypersensitive like some woman. Sometimes you can flirt with someone, learn they are trans, and then act like a civilized human being who politely turns them down. Instead of chimping out, and going on about how gross they are to you, just because you felt threatened by your attraction and defensive of your sexuality (which is what
also implies)
Yeah you’ll never fuck someone because your personality is shit lmao
why? for being exclusively same sex attracted? i'm okay with being out of trans women's dating pool. they're women, just not women i'm attracted to
What’s wrong with my $260,000 vagina?Cisles can’t tell the diff.
Pooners should be obedient girls are suck mtf cocks
it's an amhole. it doesn't lubricate with vaginal fluid, the colon based ones tend to tear open and spill shit everywhere, because they can't self clean they tend to become infected or really dirty internally.
it's better than a dick and a lot outwardly look like vaginas, but my ocd would never let me touch one
>genital preference makes you a shit person
NTA but also a straight ftm and I get why gays hate you now
Don't act like your better than everyone else baby girl. You're nothing more than a uterus haver
Who said I’m any better homosexual
Lad... I find your lack of cock disgusting. And dick-shaped arm-flesh doesn't count.
I also find it disgusting and hate being reminded of it so idk who these "lick my pussy!" ftms gay men are meeting everywhere even are, it's probably fake twitter trannies made by /misc/ trolls
whatever you think happens, you're not invited.
They're disgusting disease vectors used mostly by boomers who are too ashamed to get a bf and too dumb to use a dating app. Also this is the kind of place you risk soul crushing dysphoria as all the boomers snub you. Do not bother
you get snubbed, insulted, etc while gay men have public sex in said bathhouses
Fuck pooners
We dont want you. We dont want straight females in our spaces for god sake
HOW MANY OF YOU LOSERS HAVE EVEN BEEN TO A GAY SAUNA???! I bet not a single one
>uhhhh you’re not a trugay unless you let random men fuck you raw in the sauna
Please get an STD panel PLEASE
I'm ftm and I've been. The local one actually has a transmasc night but I just went on a regular day. Lot of nudity, getting politely propositioned by strangers. I had a good time.
Sounds nice.
Women discovering sexuality. They need t for that
Smug face
Since you went on a regular day, did no one freak out that you're trans?
think cheap hot tubs, a sauna, and a lot of meh, boomer tier fucking rooms
some people like them, i dont
only thing thats worth going there for is to show off
>noooo why dont GAY men like my vagina
absolute state of the d00ds
Most ftms hate even being reminded of thier vagina
That's why most of them wants to be mother and prégnant post trooning out
Pregnant pooners are a tiny percentage, if they were taking t at the correct dosage they wouldn't even have the ability
No so called trans men will ever have the experience of gay men. You could never know what it is like to be gay and builled all your childhood. I'm tired of having to pretend you're the same as me.
nta but i was, in fact, bullied all my childhood. entire school was convinced i had a dick and was a gay man entering the woman's restroom for all of elementary and middle school. i received death threats more than my fair share. the other students who knew i was born female bullied me and threatened to rape me for "being a lesbian." i knew how to hold myself in a fight, better off than most pooners
> Playing the victim,
"Rape threats"
Do you know any guy who ever recieve rape threats? It's not just because people see you as female. It's because you are. You have to choose either being a man or a cry baby
fucking obviously i presented female at 12. that's when i got the rape threat, and our school forced female students to dress as such, vice versa for male students, due to gang violence. an anon merely said that he didn't think pooners experienced any discrimination growing up, so i figured it made sense to bring up my own experiences
Women are known for on thing, being able to be insulted without collapsing for centuries. All pooners here are women because you are strong and facing the adversity like real girls. Bravo
Are you retarded? Women are way more sensitive than men when it comes to insults
>not being out by 12
not trutrans
i didn't know what "trans" was because my dad was extremely anti lgbt and tried to limit my knowledge of it existing. thankfully i won't have to deal with him much soon, although it makes me sad that's the case. i was out at 16 and my mom accepted me as her son instantly
i'm not a woman and i'm also medicated for physically violent outbursts. had we met in person, it wouldn't end well for you
I'm 1.90. I doubt I'll be scared of you little girl
i'm 260 and average male height. square up nagger
Fuck me daddy prove me you're not a woman. I'm a good girl
but i was 'the weird girl'- that counts, i was the weird one and everyone supported my transition until i passd
Shut up Anna Montana. You're not special and you know it deep down. You want to feel special instead of a boring straight girl, that's why you decided to transition to give meaning and originality to your life.
No actual straight woman would give up female privilege to live life as a dickless incel
A lot want to escape male harrassment
>the privilege to be raised as a future breeding machine
>the privilege to get fucked over the moment you deviate from stereotypes, prove shit every step of the way, and watch men get taken seriously by default where you had to perform ritualistic shaman dances on Mars for a guy to tell everyone he thinks you might be right
lmao
maybe it's different in some first world countries but even if it is, it used to be just as bad only a couple of decades ago
99% of us were also bullied, most were also assumed lesbian and had to deal with homophobia too
Lol play the victim somewhere else. Being lesbian is not comparable in term of harrassment than being fem-gay. You never knew that and will never. You're considered female not depraved failed male. People are more indulgent yet disgusted.
And at the end of the day it's s8 mtfs who will have worse due to all the ftm trenders detransitionning and taking legal action for their stupidity.
And*
Pooners have issues with their innate feminity. It can solved
> Pooners have issues with their innate feminity
No shit, that’s how dysphoria works
> It can be solved
So you're assuming that you have deep down an hidden rest of feminity. Us s8 transsexuals have 0 traces of masculinities inately.
I’m assuming he means female sex
Gay men don't like feminity. Imaging caring for a confused girl
And I don’t care what gay men like, I’m straight
god imagine being a masc gay man going to a bath house to have manly greco-roman muscled sex only to be surrounded by 5'3 jiggly poonas with pussy lips hanging out
Hear*
Gaydens are so weird. Why the fuck would you want to go near a gay bath house? Those places are disgusting hairy boomerfest
>t. transbian
Personally I think masc4masc men are sexy well into middle age I'd love to experience it
You can always go stealth into one but whether or not they'll be friendly knowing you're trans depends on the specific one.
Poor chances of going stealth even after srs, gays are cock experts and will be able to tell a difference
>Poor chances of going stealth even after srs,
From personal experience and talking to other trans men this is very untrue lol
Did they get meta or phallo?
I know multiple guys who are stealth with either. It doesn't matter.
I don’t see how this is true unless there was no sex involved and it was just like people happened to glance at you in a changing room.
Meta gives a micro penis and phallo can look like a real dick if the surgeon is good but it requires a metal rod for permanent erection or for it to be pumped up.
That’s still not too bad
Did you ever see those Frankendicks no gay guy would ever. Lick that you crazy bitches
Some look very realistic
Why? It's just arm skin. Would you rather a pussy or a neopenis?
Gay men have always been notoriously nasty and cliquish toward other gay men, pouncing on any differences and failure to meet standards of what a gay man or man in general should look and act like.
They're also notorious for making derogatory and sexist judgements about women, particularly their bodies.
I'm exasperated with FtMs complaining about it because why the fuck would they expect it not to be this way for them when they're the ripest possible target for every single deficiency gay men tore into in the past (and some completely new ones).
Why the fuck would you expect people who tore each other down for not being young enough, good looking enough, well endowed enough.
How would anyone expect them to treat men who have fucking vaginas instead of penises and sometimes still have their tits?
Like uwu yaoi soft bois
That’s what they expect gay men to be
>Like uwu yaoi soft bois
We shielded that part of us many, many years ago
It's definitely not coming back for a woman
I never wanted uwu soft boys, the most attractive gay men to me have always been masc4masc hence my interest in bathhouses. The reason so many ftms are with fem or gnc men is because they're usually at least somewhat respectful of us.
Idk, I just find pussy disgusting, and women really are vile creatures. You can be one of the lads if you wanns, we can be friends and all, im just not gonna be into you. Im sorry
>I'm exasperated with FtMs complaining about it because why the fuck would they expect it not to be this way for them when they're the ripest possible target for every single deficiency gay men tore into in the past (and some completely new ones).
We're new to this. You seem to forget we've been isolated from those spaces, so we couldn't possibly have made those experiences.
Gay men are everywhere in media all the time and they have been for decades
Mostly as a joke, non negative portrayals are a recent thing in most places
Very few are FtM friendly, but many are non-op MtF friendly. Sometimes some bathhouses organise nights that include FtMs, MtFs, and even straight people. But that's not a common practice because they have so many clients as is that they don't have to try to cater to other demographics.
I'm a tranny now, but I used to go to bath houses pre-trans and early into my transition when I already had noticeable booba. I went there with my bfs at that time to fuck in front of other people, but I never fucked any randos in there. Unless you're depraved to the point of enjoying cruising and dark rooms, it's not a good idea because there's too many stealthers, a few gift givers, and other kinds of shady "people".
Gays tend to be rather exclusionary when it comes to sexual stuff, it's not just transness, but also race, tribe, degree of femininity, and other stuff. Gays, especially mascs, like what they like, and they're pretty open about stuff they don't like. Fems who date outside the gay community, like, their bfs are curious straight and bi guys, tend to be really exclusionary as well because "they made it", so they don't need to associate with the plebs. And stuff like that.
What's a gift giver?
HIV-positive men who blow their pozzed load into bug chasers
The gift = the bug = HIV. Gift givers purposefully infect others with HIV, they give you the gift of HIV. So if you're into visiting bath houses and dark rooms or you like one night stands, then you should consider taking PrEP, unless ofc you're a bug chaser. It won't save you from STDs and HPV, but at least it'll allow you to avoid getting AIDS.
Not just bug chasers, tbqhon, that also includes unaware people.
I heard AIDS wasn't even real and it was the medication that killed so many in the 80s/90s
thats sounds weirdly familiar and recent
It was on a thread here, apparently they developed the medication to kill off gay men, it was orchestrated by the reagan administration
There literally was no medication for AIDS in the 80s retard. Stop believing everything you're told and read an actual history book
STDs
A fuckton of STDs
I'm a gay eunuch. Would I even be in place anymore? Still have my dick. I guess functionally I'm MTF-bodied but I sure don't act like one.
We bathe and clean each other penises, straight male bathhouses exist too but they don't have gay sex.