you still believe the world is running out of fossil fuels? retard. things are dying all the time, more so than ever as due to humans there are billions more animals and people, these will all be turned into fossil fuels. fossil fuels are infinite as long as organisms, humans cows etc exist.
Do you recognize that matter is finite?
Do you recognize the principle of the conservation of mass and energy?
Do you recognize the concept of entropy?
If the answer to all three is yes then you must recognize that fundamentally the amount of energy we can extract from these sources is finite.
The only question is how long this energy will be available for use by society and whether it's on a timescale which makes it relevant for the organization of society
You're talking to a bot. Resource threads bring out the shills like no other without fail. They want this topic shut down hard, it's one of the main keys to everything happening in the world.
Are you assuming you know the internal workings of planet Earth? Not even the biggest brained scientists know, it's just hypothesis within hypothesis.
There were never enough dead creatures at the same time to account for the vast oceans of oil deep under the sea.
It's really simple but there are decades of scientific bullshit to peel away before you can get to the truth. You have arrogant "Scientists" whose entire empires are built upon false assumptions who will fight tooth and nail to maintain their paradigm even in the face of mounting contrary evidence.
Tell me, do you also believe in dark matter, dark energy, and black holes?
>There were never enough dead creatures at the same time to account for the vast oceans of oil deep under the sea.
Fucking a. Most of the oil we use today was created in two very specific geological periods around 70 million years ago and 140 million. I may be off on those numbers.
The "dead creatures" that most oil comes from where actually plantation. The whole of the earths ocean where basically all plankton for several millions of years. People are super retarded when it comes to an understanding of oil
You didn't answer my question.
Regardless of the actual process by which oil is created, matter is finite.
Therefore, unless you are suggesting there is some natural process by which carbon dioxide is converted into fuel oil by the sun on a timescale that meet our rate of oil consumption, the oil will run out sooner or later.
The only question is when.
Petroleum exploration companies have consistently found that new fields are increasingly more expensive to develop with decreasing yields.
So regardless of where the oil comes from, it I not replenished at the same rate it is being consumed.
Do you deny that oil wells run dry?
This information is all easy to verify from the oil companies themselves.
THIS. if fossil fuel comes from dead organisms then why arent cemeteries full of oil RIGHT NOW
lol it doesn't happen in years it takes like millions of years. But in either case the word is nowhere near out of fuel for us to rape from the ground. The peak oil thing keeps moving because we keep finding more oil. And there is tons more we just cant get to yet but we will find a way eventually.
We literally produce biogas from dead matter. There are plants around the world that take waste water, filter out the solids and ferment that for methane, and the net energy production covers both the waste water treatment and also feeds power back to the grid.
Ever seen Thuderdome? The whole city there runs on pig shit.
We can also make synthetic fuels using CO2 conversion (costly, but uses electric, so renewables can be hooked to it), or plan old methanol.
We have enough fuel producing ways to keep going, its just that green alarmists are making energy expensive for ideological reason to spark a communist revolution once conditions become unliveable .
It will never run out, it just becomes progressively more expensive to excavate. You will be forced to switch because it will keep getting more expensive.
fossil fuel is a lie. ALL organic matter can be converted to oil, not just muh imaginary dragons.
We bury our trash to provide fuel for future generations, but stupid environmentalist have ruined the process by venting methane from our landfills. That defeats the purpose, and prevents the methane from forming longer hydrocarbon chains underground.
Stop venting landfills, releasing the methane in the atmosphere, and that methane WILL turn into sweet sweet crude.
Nigga do you know what happens if you don’t vent landfills? Tons of boom booms. This shit happened in the Bay Area in the 80’s with the Redwood Shores development. Explosions everywhere.
over here we put pipes in the landfills and later suck the gas out and use it as natural gas
[...]
Do you guys listen to
Joseph Taninter
John Michael Greere
James Howard Kunstler
Mike Ruppert (RIP)
ah no, american experts usually only talk much with very little information
the only old guys I listen to are
martin armstrong
john titus
The elites already know what's coming.
If you understand that energy and its availability dictates what is even possible for a society and then consider that these people are just rational actors seeking to preserve their way of life, it's pretty easy to understand the moves they are making and why.
It's not that they want to rule over us as feudal lords, it's that they recognize feudalism is coming back no matter what because it's all we can support and they want to make sure they stay on top after the general societal breakdown and degeneration.
look, there is PV tech with 45% efficency, which means 12ish EROI in spain
add some coal plants (25ish) and you're good
for a moment think about how much energy and work hours the globalists suck out the system,
directly via interests (taxes..) and indirectly via policies (immigration, oboslescence...).
throw them out and eroi 15 is more than sufficient for our current standard of living, with a bit morew recycling
Yeah I agree some simple policy changes will mean the existing developed societies will likely be able to retain their level of advancement for quite a long time.
This is why I said the trends going forward will actually benefit the already developed countries more than the developing ones.
For example, the US has the largest reserves of natural gas in the world, so cheap electricity will remain a reality here for at least a century.
This will NOT be the case in countries like China that import >70% of their total energy.
For these societies they will severe declines in their population and standard of living.
The ruling elites are trying to manage liberal sentiments and global politics to make sure that these degenerating societies do not lash out destructively to their neighbors, and that our own western generosity doesn't drag us down with these societies.
China will never be the same sort of superpower that America is.
They have neither the interest nor the ability.
It doesn't matter if china has the most imports, and in fact this is WHY they will fail.
America has resources available at home which means we will always be able to project power to get whatever resources we don't have.
This is not true for China.
They are DEPENDANT on energy imports to have a functional economy.
As global trade breaks down due to decreasing eroei, this energy will be less available and less efficient to import and utilize.
China already has a far lower eroei than the west, and as resources become more scarce they will be one of the FIRST countries to drop below a sustainable level.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
America had resources available at home before Biden completely drained the SPR for political points. ftfy
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
We have huge reserves available on public lands that are untapped.
Democrats screech about environmental concerns which is why we haven't tapped these reserves, but as our current sources run dry the political pressure for cheap fuels will eventually outweigh the environmental concerns and these fields will be tapped.
Eventually they will run out too though
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Those reserves would make a small dent but once Ghawar is gone oil will be too expensive to make a difference. Even the Permian in Texas is largely unprofitable and was mostly only viable because of the cheap debt made possible by the Fed's printing press. The current oil price is artificially suppressed and fully manipulated in every way possible already. Imagine what happens when the next 2008 style reckoning finally hits. Peak oil already hit btw, in 2008. Fracking bought us some time but the smart money is apparently doing land grabs on Islands like Maui in preparation for what they know is coming.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes, it well be different, no question.
simply not possible with these bug people
it would be 100%-top down and that does only work so far
>As global trade breaks down due to decreasing eroei, this energy will be less available and less efficient to import and utilize.
there will be block building and have of africa will deliver to china
what do you think brics-money is for?
notice how much natgas europe buys in russia today, lol
we could, but at least us germans cant
it will all be policy based
free market is over
yeah I kinda wish
in reality they are prepared to run the society on decentralized energy sources (PV, wind, biogas, small water, ..) aka the people's energy via smart meters and QR-code-systems and leg
they can switch whenever they want
the only have to decide and they will
>policy based >policy based >policy based
"The speaker, who cannot be identified according to commission rules, went on: "Three decades of globalization -- defined as integrated, free-market based and deflationary -- has been replaced by what will be a multidecade period of globalization defined as fragmented, not-free-market-based but industrial-policy based and structurally inflationary. This year, 2023, is Year One of this new global order."
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're not getting what I'm saying.
As resources become more scarce, developed powers will become more aggressive.
Piracy is coming back in a big way because the powers that have been suppressing it for the last 100 years will become the powers promoting it.
China has the most vulnerable supply chains in the world.
It doesn't matter if they have agreements to source fuel from Africa, if the shipments can't reach China.
It wouldn't even take that much disruption to skyrocket the price of fuels (and further drop their eroei, protecting shipments costs energy too) and tank the productivity and profitability of China.
The elites know this, and it's why the majority of them have spent the last 3 years divesting from China.
No matter how you slice it, China is not well positioned for a world of expensive energy.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
start by doing it yourself
go rural
get PV
pay cash
get out of the system as much as possible
the next plandemic is highly likely winter 24/25,
so it'll pay out anyway
Yeah I'd like to have a pet unicorn that flies thru rainbows too but the last guy that tried to eliminate interest collecting usurers from his monetary system ended up getting 10 million Germans killed. We would need a literal Hitler to come to power in order to make any of that possible.
I would love to have a beer with you anons. Get drunk and kicked out of a bar over peak oil autism.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>EROI
it's funny isnt it
not complicated at all
but just one page to far for the normies
cheers xD
gn8
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
thx, got it
but >The elites know this, and it's why the majority of them have spent the last 3 years divesting from China.
nordstream etc says otherwise
>No matter how you slice it, China is not well positioned for a world of expensive energy.
yeah ok
and they'll need huge amounts of energy for their QR-code control grid.
just remember how much bitcoin consumes.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
And now Russia is doing a land grab in Ukraine. Really makes one think, eh?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
the landgrab was and is actually done by burisma and others
Historically it was common for trash piles to catch fire.
In fact, the origin of the concept of hell is the biblical gehenah, which was the name for the valley outside of Jerusalem where the city piled its trash and was almost perpetually on fire.
So when the ancients talked about being sent to "hell" they literally meant that God would throw your soul in the garbage.
Anyway, it's not like this property of garbage to produce volatile hydrocarbons can be used as a "source" of energy.
We already have biomass plants that extract usable energy from organic waste, but this only works to marginally improve the efficiency of existing energy sources.
Research the concept of entropy and you will understand why.
Essentially the total energy produced by roting garbage will always be less than the energy that was required to produce the garbage in the first place.
>do you know what happens if you don’t vent landfills?
I am the leading expert on the subject, AMA
Venting the methane is not the solution we need. we need to put CO2 into the landfills
adding carbon to the hydrogen builds the chains, and surplus CO2 stops fires.
Pretty easy, you compress and heat large quantities of carbon dioxide and water.
That's how oil is made in nature more or less
Problem is that it costs a lot of energy to do so, more than you would get by burning what you make so your synthetic oil is really only useful for pharmaceutical applications and lubricants.
You really wouldn't want to burn synthetic oil for fuel unless you absolutely had to.
This is where jet fuel will come from in the future, but because of the cost it will probably only be used for military applications.
What of we pump it into a very big hole in the ground and then close the lit? Will it turn oil?
What if we submit carbon dioxide to as much o-ppression the israelites have to endure each day, will that turn into oil faster than the previous option?
Yes, that is one way to make oil and it's something we already do.
Again though, it takes more energy to pump it into the ground than you can get by burning the stuff that comes out.
This is known as entropy and is one of the basic laws of thermodynamics.
Ultimately, the sun deposits a certain amount of energy on the planet everyday.
That energy is the limit of what we can use "sustainably".
In practice it's even less than that because natural processes like plants use some portion of that energy too.
All other "sources" of energy are just tapping into that solar energy that was previously deposited and once they are used they are gone.
The only exception is nuclear energy, which is energy that was stored in the form of mass during the collapse of a star billions of years ago.
That energy too is finite.
The energy our sun gives us is technically finite too, but it will take billions of years for the sun to run out of hydrogen so it's not really worth worrying about.
>it takes more energy to pump it into the ground than you can get by burning the stuff that comes out.
It costs me about 17 cents electricity from grid to convert my plastic waste into a gallon of unleaded gasoline.
I'm working on putting in some solar panels to reduce the per gallon cost, still working out equipment cost / return on investment. But the current rate of $0.17 per gallon is not bad.
I need to find a reliable source of plastic waste If i want to step my game up, more than personal use.
With modifications my equipment can convert other organic waste into oil, diesel, gasoline. But plastic is by far the easiest to convert, straight to gasoline, and a hell of a lot cheaper than at the pump.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If this was even close to real you’d become a trillionaire, so post details of your magic system or gtfo
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
lol you din't get that he use free plastic.
it's like he brag on how little he spend in matchsticks to keep his fireplace lit.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
OK, now do the calculations on how much electricity you can produce by burning that gallon of gas and how much that electricity would be worth.
I guarantee it's less than 0.17 you put in, if that number is in fact accurate.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The average 5kW gas generator burns about 0.75 gallons an hour. That would cost me 13 cents, and power my whole house, while at the same time producing another gallon of fuel. you couldn't be more wrong in your cost analysis. I am not creating energy from nothing, this is not zero-point, I am using a renewable resource "plastic waste" converting it into fuel.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You just described a perpetual motion machine.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
better than perpetual motion
it rids the planet of turtle killing plastics
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dude. He's some crazy hobo that literally drives around all day scrounging up plastic. This cunt sounds like he steals tarps off people's verandas to fuel some obvious hoarding fetish and I bet if you entered his home it would look like a recycling dump. The mentally ill are pretty out there.
Real answer?
We continue on using whatever fuel sources are available.
This will mostly be wind, solar, and nuclear for the power grid.
For applications like transportation we will probably resort to synthetic fuels because modern batteries don't have sufficient energy density to meet our needs and they rely on materials that are being depleted just as fast as fossil fuels anyway.
The real problem is that without fossil fuels energy as a whole will become significantly more expensive.
It won't ever become totally unavailable, but it will become prohibitively expensive for the vast majority of people.
The wealthy will probably be able to continue living lifestyles comparable to the modern middle class, but for the other 95% of the global population they will revert to a pre-industrial lifestyle.
In the end, even that won't be enough to support to current population levels, since substance farming doesn't have the same yields as industrial farming.
As a result we are looking at a significant global depopulation over the next 100 years.
Incidentally this will most adversely affect countries like China and India and other underdeveloped countries since the developed ones are best positioned to take advantage of the renewable technologies and are also best positioned to fight for the remaining fossil fuels.
Wealth inequality will reach levels unseen since Victorian times, and there's really nothing anyone can do to avoid any of this.
2123 is going to look a lot more like 1823 than 2023.
This is also why global warming is an irrelevant issue.
We will run out of fossil fuels long before anthropogenic climate change has a significant impact on the environment.
I suspect much of the policy made in the name of climate change is actually just intended to acclimate the general public to accepting a lower standard of living, since it's going to happen whether or not we stop using fossil fuels.
In the end, we will find ourselves in a situation where the middle class functionally does not exist.
Energy will be a luxury, global trade will be severely reduced and only the most valuable commodities will be traded globally.
Most products the average person will consume will be locally sourced, since shipping will simply be too expensive.
Electricity will still exist, but only the wealthy will have electricity in their homes.
Only the wealthy will be able to own private transportation.
The ultra rich will still have all the luxuries they are accustomed to, and the millionaires will have lifestyles similar to the average American today.
Populations in the developed world will stay mostly stable, but the average citizen will live in communal housing or private housing with very few amenities we have become accustomed to.
The countries that have seen the largest population booms in recent years will be the ones to see the sharpest declines.
This is because those booms were the result of cheap energy and the global trade it promoted.
Loss of energy means loss of trade means the end of industrial farming in developing countries and an inability to import food.
Famines will lead to wars until ultimately the resource availability stabilizes.
Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your perspective) this will happen gradually over decades.
There will not be any one event that anyone can point to and say "it's happening" rather this will simply a general trend going forward.
Part of me thinks this is why the Left wants to ban all oil production in the USA.
So that, in half a century when the entire world runs out of fossil fuels, the United States will be the only country left on the planet with oil deposits, and a vast amount of them at that. The entire planet will need these fuels to maintain society so we will be able to sell them at an insane cost. And if you can't pay in currency, you can pay with your sovereignty.
But, I don't know if the Left is smart enough to play a game that long.
The average environmentalist probably doesn't think this way, but you can bet the globalist oligarchs do.
You are right about American oil reserves and its why despite quality of life dropping everywhere as a result of energy scarcity, the US in general will be better off than anyone else.
The screeching greenness may have enough political capital at the moment to leave these deposits untouched, but as resources wane and people become more desperate their voices will get drowned out by desperate normies trying to cling to their lifestyle.
In every case where environmental concerns have directly run up against bread and circuses the bread and circuses won
due to the gallons liters thing you din't get of much fuel cucked europe is.
here and now the gasoline price is 8 dollars gallon, but in the while minimim wage proposal at 7$ hours net are rejected, is not uncommon to work for 5$ hours so that a day of wage can buy just 5 gallons of gasoline.
now how many gallons of gasoline can you americans buy with a day's wage?
Good for you Aussie
Boycott the loo like your neighbors do
don't give the government your poo
they take that poo and turn it to goo
then they sell it back to you
human waste is converted into RNG
renewable natural gas by the ebil gubmint
they tax you coming and going
We literally produce biogas from dead matter. There are plants around the world that take waste water, filter out the solids and ferment that for methane, and the net energy production covers both the waste water treatment and also feeds power back to the grid.
Ever seen Thuderdome? The whole city there runs on pig shit.
We can also make synthetic fuels using CO2 conversion (costly, but uses electric, so renewables can be hooked to it), or plan old methanol.
We have enough fuel producing ways to keep going, its just that green alarmists are making energy expensive for ideological reason to spark a communist revolution once conditions become unliveable .
>its just that green alarmists are making energy expensive for ideological reason
Grandpa was an oil guy, father is an oil investor, my sisters are Great Thunberg Greenie cunts. Every time they go on a hysterical anti oil rank me and dad laugh (behind there backs of course) that all the green movement is doing is making oil invertors more money.
rn we're running on EROI 28ish energy
then we'll be at 15ish and it will be okay AND the end of the israelites, because people have to live in reality again
This.
The good news for all you blackpillers is that as resource scarcity starts to hit we will snap out of clown world pretty fast.
Woke liberal social policy is a luxury that only decadent societies can afford to engage in.
Without cheap energy, first world problems will give way to real problems again and people can always be expected to act (and vote) in their own selfish interest.
Shit gets real when people get cold and hungry.
in reality they are prepared to run the society on decentralized energy sources (PV, wind, biogas, small water, ..) aka the people's energy via smart meters and QR-code-systems and leg
they can switch whenever they want
the only have to decide and they will
>policy based >policy based >policy based
"The speaker, who cannot be identified according to commission rules, went on: "Three decades of globalization -- defined as integrated, free-market based and deflationary -- has been replaced by what will be a multidecade period of globalization defined as fragmented, not-free-market-based but industrial-policy based and structurally inflationary. This year, 2023, is Year One of this new global order."
The elites already know what's coming.
If you understand that energy and its availability dictates what is even possible for a society and then consider that these people are just rational actors seeking to preserve their way of life, it's pretty easy to understand the moves they are making and why.
It's not that they want to rule over us as feudal lords, it's that they recognize feudalism is coming back no matter what because it's all we can support and they want to make sure they stay on top after the general societal breakdown and degeneration.
The "energy reserve" isn't the total amount of materials left in the ground, it's the amount that's economic to extract at current prices. Your panic has happened dozens of times before for various materials. What happens is that as the supply starts to drop, prices go up. And when prices go up, it becomes viable to explore for these materials in areas which would have previously been too expensive to extract them from. For example, the extraction of oil sands in the 1970s.
This is 100% true, however what your analysis fails to grasp is that as the real cost of extracting these resources increases so too does their value relative to every other commodity.
This is what I mean by energy transitioning from something modern people take for granted into a luxury which is really only available for the wealthy.
I would not be surprised to see the beginnings of these in the next couple decades where it becomes normal for poor people's, homes to not have electricity.
Eventually that will trickle up to middle class people and only the rich will have electricity.
This is already the case with fuel oils and automobiles.
It will SLOWLY become more expensive, and as it does, we will find new sources or alternatives. If it goes up high enough then electric cars (powered by nuclear) might actually be economically viable (unlike now).
Of course we would actually have to RECYCLE the fucking batteries and rare earth magnet engines, instead of just burying them in landfills.
100% this.
Eroei is what determines the ultimate level of sophistication a society can achieve.
It has already been dropping in the developed parts of the world, and as it continues to decline we will inevitably revert to more primitive forms of social organization.
Expect to see colonialism, monarchy, and feudalism all make big comebacks over the next century.
Of course these systems will take on new forms and won't be called the same things, but make no mistake that's where we are headed.
Do you guys listen to
Joseph Taninter
John Michael Greere
James Howard Kunstler
Mike Ruppert (RIP)
Pretty much all of his friends in the peak oil community disagree with that. They think he killed himself. He had a podcast called "The life boat hour" and if you listened he was progressively getting further and further down the rabbit hole. It is to bad, he was talking about Bitcoin when it was a few dollars, had he bought and held he could have had a comfy life.
RIP
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe so…still sad he seemed cool af for an x zog
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I got to meet him and have a beer with him at his sept 11 2011 talk in Portland, smoke a joint with him as well. It was a little of black pill for me, I need ride home and offered him and the people he was staying with an oz of pot if they would give me a ride, Mike was a dick about it.
Michael Ruppert Confronts CIA Director John Deutch
100% this.
Eroei is what determines the ultimate level of sophistication a society can achieve.
It has already been dropping in the developed parts of the world, and as it continues to decline we will inevitably revert to more primitive forms of social organization.
Expect to see colonialism, monarchy, and feudalism all make big comebacks over the next century.
Of course these systems will take on new forms and won't be called the same things, but make no mistake that's where we are headed.
1. Oil is a HydroCarbon,
, not "fossil fuel".
is a combination of H (hydrogen) and C (carbon) molecules. Hydrogen is the most abundant element on the planet, why C carbon is the source of life that every life form has.
2. Oil is 2nd largest liquid on the planet after water.
3. There are 50 other hydrocarbons produced by the planet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocarbon
We will never run out of water. From the above, the planet will keep producing as much oil as we need, unless israelite really are extremely greedy and will burn all of easily accessible ones.
If we run out of easily accessible oil, we will mass research:
>Hydrogen
Largest release of energy on the planet in 20th century was a Hydrogen bomb. It used very small amount of Hydrogen.
and >We'll tap back into our free electrical energy grid that was left on the planet by previous civilizations.
There is a chance that it will never really run out.
It could just get more expensive over time while alternatives get cheaper and better until the remaining oil is no longer economical.
Of course this assumes continuous technological progress and improvements especially much cheaper non fossil power and maybe cheaper energy storage.
Everything we use from oil can be synthetized as far as I know especially fuels it just obviously isn't economical right now, but that could change with cheaper power and more expensive oil.
Malthusians are fools because they ignore the other limiting principles that exist in complex systems outside of a petri dish.
Yes, our current levels of resource consumption are unsustainable and as they deplete we will see systemic collapses, however as systems fail our societies will collapse outright but will rather revert to simpler, more sustainable, forms.
Humanity will not go extinct, but the societies of the future will be markedly more primitive than those of today and the transitions will likely be rather unpleasant.
Something I'll leave up to my great, great, great, great grandchildren to figure out.
There's a lot of fucking oil left.
Also, you ever wonder how a personal carbon tax works when China alone burns 6,500,000,000 tons of it per year? Kek.
Why do you think there is such a massive push for immigration? They even call white women who sleep with immigrants "COALburners." Your not listening to the predictive programming. They call every green incentive "the new deal" or some variation of that.
We switch to ammonia fuel. All it takes to produce is air, water, a power source, and a machine that does all the chemistry and compression for you. It is about two thirds as efficient as gasoline, costs $0.25/litre, and is compatible with both diesel and conventional ICE vehicles.
https://www.ammoniaenergy.org/
Now watch as the bots completely ignore this post. Guaranteed zero replies, just like every time I post about this.
This sounds like alchemy hogwash. >rumble video
Look man, I posted a link to an international association of researchers that report on real projects, such as building BARGES that are powered ammonia fuel. You'll have to bring more to the table than a Rumble video of some boomer in his garage.
Civilizational collapse, mass starvation, complete eradication of all forests and edible wildlife near population centers, nuclear meltdowns at most if not all reactors, basically the entire reason for the creation and dissemination of the sterilizing clot shot amongst all 1st world, entirely fossil fuel dependant populations. What they are doing is horrid but the alternative is even more terrifying.
On a geologic scale (millions of years) this is true. On a human scale, abiotic oil replineshing at hundreds of millions of barrels a year is cope posting.
When the rest of the world runs out we'll tap into those sweet South Australian deposits that we haven't said anything about since they were discovered. >Look at me >I am Saudi Arabia now.
That OPEC exists proves that the world is not running out of carbon. If something is scarce there is no cartel needed to limit supply, so that the price increases.
OPEC does not have a monopoly on oil production. Global suppliers all participate in the same global market. OPEC does have enough production to affect the price, but they certainly cannot set the price. Ghawar field is the largest oil reserve on the planet and will be completely gone within 30yrs. https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Ghawar_Field
The whole peak oil meme is a good one but it's just a meme. Humans will just overcome the adversity with time. As it becomes more scarce, there will be big pushes to replace key technologies. Im not worried about logistics, energy production or transport. Im worried about pesticides and fertilizers. It's likely that they'll prioritize those and then find alternative solutions for transport and energy. Eventually they'll find petroleum substitutes for farming as well. Peak oil always tries to frame it as some kind of impact event once we reach a certain threshold, but crises tend to be dealt with more cautiously than that.
All essential chemicals can be synthesized, that's not the problem.
The problem is how much energy it takes to do so and the relative availability of that energy.
There is nothing even close to providing the EROI of oil. For civilization to abandon just oil, not even all other fossil fuels, you would have to return the global population to it's level before the industiral revolution. Otherwise billions will simply starve to death for lack of diesel to power transport semi's and farming tractors. Hence the plandemic. Once again, they feel justified in doing the evil because the alternative is even more of a hellscape.
>for a moment think about how much energy and work hours the globalists suck out the system, >directly via interests (taxes..) and indirectly via policies (immigration, oboslescence...). >throw them out and eroi 15 is more than sufficient for our current standard of living, with a bit morew >recycling
over here we put pipes in the landfills and later suck the gas out and use it as natural gas
[...]
ah no, american experts usually only talk much with very little information
the only old guys I listen to are
martin armstrong
john titus
[...]
look, there is PV tech with 45% efficency, which means 12ish EROI in spain
add some coal plants (25ish) and you're good
for a moment think about how much energy and work hours the globalists suck out the system,
directly via interests (taxes..) and indirectly via policies (immigration, oboslescence...).
throw them out and eroi 15 is more than sufficient for our current standard of living, with a bit morew recycling
Yeah I'd like to have a pet unicorn that flies thru rainbows too but the last guy that tried to eliminate interest collecting usurers from his monetary system ended up getting 10 million Germans killed. We would need a literal Hitler to come to power in order to make any of that possible.
We won't. What will happen is that the input cost of extraction will slowly creep up. Mind that the margin between extraction cost and benefit is what all the prosperity built since the industrial revolution is resting upon. Luxury discretionaries will be the first to go.
'Renewables' lack the energy density to offer us the extremely high standard of living the modern era offerred to even its most wretched members.
This guy has the straight dope:
https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/
A Christian schizo rabble believing the world is only 6000-10k years old that lead to these talks. Earth is in the billions so we're not running out of oil anytime soon. However, the US becoming more urgent to go full electric might secretly suggest the US is running out oil to force charge at the correct decade the transition will be needed.
The was a peak oil anon who used to post fairly regularly here with real knowledge and data and I did quite well following his predictions. I think most of his stuff is still in the archives. He was probably gang stalked and killed or something by now.
>what happens when the world runs out of slaves? >what happens when the world runs out of food? >what happens when the world runs out of wood? >what happens when the world runs out of fossil fuels? >what happens when the world runs out of uranium? >what happens when the world runs out of cobalt, nickel, copper and lithium?
fpbp
but I assume we will get it from someone else
you still believe the world is running out of fossil fuels? retard. things are dying all the time, more so than ever as due to humans there are billions more animals and people, these will all be turned into fossil fuels. fossil fuels are infinite as long as organisms, humans cows etc exist.
>you still believe the world is running out of fossil fuels? retard. things are dying all the time,
This is the biggest retard take ever.
You're an actual retard if you think the oil will run out.
"Fossil" fuel is a lie in itself.
I agree Oil will never "run out". That is not the issue retard. You don't know what Eroi is so it pointless talking to such an ignorant nagger.
Do you recognize that matter is finite?
Do you recognize the principle of the conservation of mass and energy?
Do you recognize the concept of entropy?
If the answer to all three is yes then you must recognize that fundamentally the amount of energy we can extract from these sources is finite.
The only question is how long this energy will be available for use by society and whether it's on a timescale which makes it relevant for the organization of society
You're talking to a bot. Resource threads bring out the shills like no other without fail. They want this topic shut down hard, it's one of the main keys to everything happening in the world.
Are you assuming you know the internal workings of planet Earth? Not even the biggest brained scientists know, it's just hypothesis within hypothesis.
There were never enough dead creatures at the same time to account for the vast oceans of oil deep under the sea.
It's really simple but there are decades of scientific bullshit to peel away before you can get to the truth. You have arrogant "Scientists" whose entire empires are built upon false assumptions who will fight tooth and nail to maintain their paradigm even in the face of mounting contrary evidence.
Tell me, do you also believe in dark matter, dark energy, and black holes?
>There were never enough dead creatures at the same time to account for the vast oceans of oil deep under the sea.
Fucking a. Most of the oil we use today was created in two very specific geological periods around 70 million years ago and 140 million. I may be off on those numbers.
The "dead creatures" that most oil comes from where actually plantation. The whole of the earths ocean where basically all plankton for several millions of years. People are super retarded when it comes to an understanding of oil
Plankton not plantation retard.
https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Oil_formation
You didn't answer my question.
Regardless of the actual process by which oil is created, matter is finite.
Therefore, unless you are suggesting there is some natural process by which carbon dioxide is converted into fuel oil by the sun on a timescale that meet our rate of oil consumption, the oil will run out sooner or later.
The only question is when.
Petroleum exploration companies have consistently found that new fields are increasingly more expensive to develop with decreasing yields.
So regardless of where the oil comes from, it I not replenished at the same rate it is being consumed.
Do you deny that oil wells run dry?
This information is all easy to verify from the oil companies themselves.
THIS. if fossil fuel comes from dead organisms then why arent cemeteries full of oil RIGHT NOW
lol it doesn't happen in years it takes like millions of years. But in either case the word is nowhere near out of fuel for us to rape from the ground. The peak oil thing keeps moving because we keep finding more oil. And there is tons more we just cant get to yet but we will find a way eventually.
We literally produce biogas from dead matter. There are plants around the world that take waste water, filter out the solids and ferment that for methane, and the net energy production covers both the waste water treatment and also feeds power back to the grid.
Ever seen Thuderdome? The whole city there runs on pig shit.
We can also make synthetic fuels using CO2 conversion (costly, but uses electric, so renewables can be hooked to it), or plan old methanol.
We have enough fuel producing ways to keep going, its just that green alarmists are making energy expensive for ideological reason to spark a communist revolution once conditions become unliveable .
naggers promptly begin tonguing my anus
I guess we either found a way for society to operate without fossil fuels, found an alternative source to fossil fuels, or society collapses
Total Everyone Death
The government buildings lose power
Followed shortly by TND
We got a plan
Look is bill gaytes.
>Fuel came from dinosaur tbones
NGMI
this
i won't go so far as to say it's definitely false but there's good reason to be very skeptical of this theory
I thought was mostly the fossils of plant matter and micro organisms?
We clone dinosaurs and bury them, obviously.
I start burning the corpses of memeflag posters in my converted brodozer.
It will never run out, it just becomes progressively more expensive to excavate. You will be forced to switch because it will keep getting more expensive.
fossil fuel is a lie. ALL organic matter can be converted to oil, not just muh imaginary dragons.
We bury our trash to provide fuel for future generations, but stupid environmentalist have ruined the process by venting methane from our landfills. That defeats the purpose, and prevents the methane from forming longer hydrocarbon chains underground.
Stop venting landfills, releasing the methane in the atmosphere, and that methane WILL turn into sweet sweet crude.
FUCKING SO BASED and post of the year
MODS
MODS
THIS GUY BROKE THE GROUP !
Nigga do you know what happens if you don’t vent landfills? Tons of boom booms. This shit happened in the Bay Area in the 80’s with the Redwood Shores development. Explosions everywhere.
over here we put pipes in the landfills and later suck the gas out and use it as natural gas
ah no, american experts usually only talk much with very little information
the only old guys I listen to are
martin armstrong
john titus
look, there is PV tech with 45% efficency, which means 12ish EROI in spain
add some coal plants (25ish) and you're good
for a moment think about how much energy and work hours the globalists suck out the system,
directly via interests (taxes..) and indirectly via policies (immigration, oboslescence...).
throw them out and eroi 15 is more than sufficient for our current standard of living, with a bit morew recycling
Yeah I agree some simple policy changes will mean the existing developed societies will likely be able to retain their level of advancement for quite a long time.
This is why I said the trends going forward will actually benefit the already developed countries more than the developing ones.
For example, the US has the largest reserves of natural gas in the world, so cheap electricity will remain a reality here for at least a century.
This will NOT be the case in countries like China that import >70% of their total energy.
For these societies they will severe declines in their population and standard of living.
The ruling elites are trying to manage liberal sentiments and global politics to make sure that these degenerating societies do not lash out destructively to their neighbors, and that our own western generosity doesn't drag us down with these societies.
>This will NOT be the case in countries like China that import >70% of their total energy.
oh yes it will
rn all the energy flows are being re-routed from europe to asia
>uran from niger
>natgas via nordstream & other lines
>all gold too
the globalist just know, that the next boom market is in asia and they're trying to make it as big and long term as possible
>next boom market
i believe no one can change the business cycles, only the amplitude
China will never be the same sort of superpower that America is.
They have neither the interest nor the ability.
It doesn't matter if china has the most imports, and in fact this is WHY they will fail.
America has resources available at home which means we will always be able to project power to get whatever resources we don't have.
This is not true for China.
They are DEPENDANT on energy imports to have a functional economy.
As global trade breaks down due to decreasing eroei, this energy will be less available and less efficient to import and utilize.
China already has a far lower eroei than the west, and as resources become more scarce they will be one of the FIRST countries to drop below a sustainable level.
America had resources available at home before Biden completely drained the SPR for political points. ftfy
We have huge reserves available on public lands that are untapped.
Democrats screech about environmental concerns which is why we haven't tapped these reserves, but as our current sources run dry the political pressure for cheap fuels will eventually outweigh the environmental concerns and these fields will be tapped.
Eventually they will run out too though
Those reserves would make a small dent but once Ghawar is gone oil will be too expensive to make a difference. Even the Permian in Texas is largely unprofitable and was mostly only viable because of the cheap debt made possible by the Fed's printing press. The current oil price is artificially suppressed and fully manipulated in every way possible already. Imagine what happens when the next 2008 style reckoning finally hits. Peak oil already hit btw, in 2008. Fracking bought us some time but the smart money is apparently doing land grabs on Islands like Maui in preparation for what they know is coming.
yes, it well be different, no question.
simply not possible with these bug people
it would be 100%-top down and that does only work so far
>As global trade breaks down due to decreasing eroei, this energy will be less available and less efficient to import and utilize.
there will be block building and have of africa will deliver to china
what do you think brics-money is for?
notice how much natgas europe buys in russia today, lol
we could, but at least us germans cant
it will all be policy based
free market is over
You're not getting what I'm saying.
As resources become more scarce, developed powers will become more aggressive.
Piracy is coming back in a big way because the powers that have been suppressing it for the last 100 years will become the powers promoting it.
China has the most vulnerable supply chains in the world.
It doesn't matter if they have agreements to source fuel from Africa, if the shipments can't reach China.
It wouldn't even take that much disruption to skyrocket the price of fuels (and further drop their eroei, protecting shipments costs energy too) and tank the productivity and profitability of China.
The elites know this, and it's why the majority of them have spent the last 3 years divesting from China.
No matter how you slice it, China is not well positioned for a world of expensive energy.
I would love to have a beer with you anons. Get drunk and kicked out of a bar over peak oil autism.
>EROI
it's funny isnt it
not complicated at all
but just one page to far for the normies
cheers xD
gn8
thx, got it
but
>The elites know this, and it's why the majority of them have spent the last 3 years divesting from China.
nordstream etc says otherwise
>No matter how you slice it, China is not well positioned for a world of expensive energy.
yeah ok
and they'll need huge amounts of energy for their QR-code control grid.
just remember how much bitcoin consumes.
And now Russia is doing a land grab in Ukraine. Really makes one think, eh?
the landgrab was and is actually done by burisma and others
russia is only trying to hedge it in a little.
Historically it was common for trash piles to catch fire.
In fact, the origin of the concept of hell is the biblical gehenah, which was the name for the valley outside of Jerusalem where the city piled its trash and was almost perpetually on fire.
So when the ancients talked about being sent to "hell" they literally meant that God would throw your soul in the garbage.
Anyway, it's not like this property of garbage to produce volatile hydrocarbons can be used as a "source" of energy.
We already have biomass plants that extract usable energy from organic waste, but this only works to marginally improve the efficiency of existing energy sources.
Research the concept of entropy and you will understand why.
Essentially the total energy produced by roting garbage will always be less than the energy that was required to produce the garbage in the first place.
>do you know what happens if you don’t vent landfills?
I am the leading expert on the subject, AMA
Venting the methane is not the solution we need. we need to put CO2 into the landfills
adding carbon to the hydrogen builds the chains, and surplus CO2 stops fires.
>amerimutt flag
>leading expert in fart fumes
I'm not even surprised.
nothing happens
you can make oil
it's not that hard
how exactly do ((you)) make oil?
You squeeze olives
Pretty easy, you compress and heat large quantities of carbon dioxide and water.
That's how oil is made in nature more or less
Problem is that it costs a lot of energy to do so, more than you would get by burning what you make so your synthetic oil is really only useful for pharmaceutical applications and lubricants.
You really wouldn't want to burn synthetic oil for fuel unless you absolutely had to.
This is where jet fuel will come from in the future, but because of the cost it will probably only be used for military applications.
What of we pump it into a very big hole in the ground and then close the lit? Will it turn oil?
What if we submit carbon dioxide to as much o-ppression the israelites have to endure each day, will that turn into oil faster than the previous option?
Yes, that is one way to make oil and it's something we already do.
Again though, it takes more energy to pump it into the ground than you can get by burning the stuff that comes out.
This is known as entropy and is one of the basic laws of thermodynamics.
Ultimately, the sun deposits a certain amount of energy on the planet everyday.
That energy is the limit of what we can use "sustainably".
In practice it's even less than that because natural processes like plants use some portion of that energy too.
All other "sources" of energy are just tapping into that solar energy that was previously deposited and once they are used they are gone.
The only exception is nuclear energy, which is energy that was stored in the form of mass during the collapse of a star billions of years ago.
That energy too is finite.
The energy our sun gives us is technically finite too, but it will take billions of years for the sun to run out of hydrogen so it's not really worth worrying about.
>it takes more energy to pump it into the ground than you can get by burning the stuff that comes out.
It costs me about 17 cents electricity from grid to convert my plastic waste into a gallon of unleaded gasoline.
I'm working on putting in some solar panels to reduce the per gallon cost, still working out equipment cost / return on investment. But the current rate of $0.17 per gallon is not bad.
I need to find a reliable source of plastic waste If i want to step my game up, more than personal use.
With modifications my equipment can convert other organic waste into oil, diesel, gasoline. But plastic is by far the easiest to convert, straight to gasoline, and a hell of a lot cheaper than at the pump.
If this was even close to real you’d become a trillionaire, so post details of your magic system or gtfo
lol you din't get that he use free plastic.
it's like he brag on how little he spend in matchsticks to keep his fireplace lit.
OK, now do the calculations on how much electricity you can produce by burning that gallon of gas and how much that electricity would be worth.
I guarantee it's less than 0.17 you put in, if that number is in fact accurate.
The average 5kW gas generator burns about 0.75 gallons an hour. That would cost me 13 cents, and power my whole house, while at the same time producing another gallon of fuel. you couldn't be more wrong in your cost analysis. I am not creating energy from nothing, this is not zero-point, I am using a renewable resource "plastic waste" converting it into fuel.
You just described a perpetual motion machine.
better than perpetual motion
it rids the planet of turtle killing plastics
Dude. He's some crazy hobo that literally drives around all day scrounging up plastic. This cunt sounds like he steals tarps off people's verandas to fuel some obvious hoarding fetish and I bet if you entered his home it would look like a recycling dump. The mentally ill are pretty out there.
It doesnt. And "free energy" is already available. But the ruling class need to create shortage artificially to maintain their power.
TOUCH THE UNTOUCHABLE
BREAK THE UNBREAKABLE
ROW! ROW!
FIGHT THE POWAH!
Calm down nagger ,
theres enuff for another 600 years
Real answer?
We continue on using whatever fuel sources are available.
This will mostly be wind, solar, and nuclear for the power grid.
For applications like transportation we will probably resort to synthetic fuels because modern batteries don't have sufficient energy density to meet our needs and they rely on materials that are being depleted just as fast as fossil fuels anyway.
The real problem is that without fossil fuels energy as a whole will become significantly more expensive.
It won't ever become totally unavailable, but it will become prohibitively expensive for the vast majority of people.
The wealthy will probably be able to continue living lifestyles comparable to the modern middle class, but for the other 95% of the global population they will revert to a pre-industrial lifestyle.
In the end, even that won't be enough to support to current population levels, since substance farming doesn't have the same yields as industrial farming.
As a result we are looking at a significant global depopulation over the next 100 years.
Incidentally this will most adversely affect countries like China and India and other underdeveloped countries since the developed ones are best positioned to take advantage of the renewable technologies and are also best positioned to fight for the remaining fossil fuels.
Wealth inequality will reach levels unseen since Victorian times, and there's really nothing anyone can do to avoid any of this.
2123 is going to look a lot more like 1823 than 2023.
This is also why global warming is an irrelevant issue.
We will run out of fossil fuels long before anthropogenic climate change has a significant impact on the environment.
I suspect much of the policy made in the name of climate change is actually just intended to acclimate the general public to accepting a lower standard of living, since it's going to happen whether or not we stop using fossil fuels.
In the end, we will find ourselves in a situation where the middle class functionally does not exist.
Energy will be a luxury, global trade will be severely reduced and only the most valuable commodities will be traded globally.
Most products the average person will consume will be locally sourced, since shipping will simply be too expensive.
Electricity will still exist, but only the wealthy will have electricity in their homes.
Only the wealthy will be able to own private transportation.
The ultra rich will still have all the luxuries they are accustomed to, and the millionaires will have lifestyles similar to the average American today.
Populations in the developed world will stay mostly stable, but the average citizen will live in communal housing or private housing with very few amenities we have become accustomed to.
The countries that have seen the largest population booms in recent years will be the ones to see the sharpest declines.
This is because those booms were the result of cheap energy and the global trade it promoted.
Loss of energy means loss of trade means the end of industrial farming in developing countries and an inability to import food.
Famines will lead to wars until ultimately the resource availability stabilizes.
Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your perspective) this will happen gradually over decades.
There will not be any one event that anyone can point to and say "it's happening" rather this will simply a general trend going forward.
people start eating each other, that's what happens
Part of me thinks this is why the Left wants to ban all oil production in the USA.
So that, in half a century when the entire world runs out of fossil fuels, the United States will be the only country left on the planet with oil deposits, and a vast amount of them at that. The entire planet will need these fuels to maintain society so we will be able to sell them at an insane cost. And if you can't pay in currency, you can pay with your sovereignty.
But, I don't know if the Left is smart enough to play a game that long.
The average environmentalist probably doesn't think this way, but you can bet the globalist oligarchs do.
You are right about American oil reserves and its why despite quality of life dropping everywhere as a result of energy scarcity, the US in general will be better off than anyone else.
The screeching greenness may have enough political capital at the moment to leave these deposits untouched, but as resources wane and people become more desperate their voices will get drowned out by desperate normies trying to cling to their lifestyle.
In every case where environmental concerns have directly run up against bread and circuses the bread and circuses won
due to the gallons liters thing you din't get of much fuel cucked europe is.
here and now the gasoline price is 8 dollars gallon, but in the while minimim wage proposal at 7$ hours net are rejected, is not uncommon to work for 5$ hours so that a day of wage can buy just 5 gallons of gasoline.
now how many gallons of gasoline can you americans buy with a day's wage?
This is exactly why I go to great lengths to gatekeep Americans from my business and community. You people are predatory barbarians.
Once America has Monroe doctrined all of Canada's resources we are coming for yours.
'merica
He was kinda sloppy with his opsec, posting screenshots from his phone with doxxable info in the images.
Good for you Aussie
Boycott the loo like your neighbors do
don't give the government your poo
they take that poo and turn it to goo
then they sell it back to you
human waste is converted into RNG
renewable natural gas by the ebil gubmint
they tax you coming and going
>its just that green alarmists are making energy expensive for ideological reason
Grandpa was an oil guy, father is an oil investor, my sisters are Great Thunberg Greenie cunts. Every time they go on a hysterical anti oil rank me and dad laugh (behind there backs of course) that all the green movement is doing is making oil invertors more money.
pic related ends
rn we're running on EROI 28ish energy
then we'll be at 15ish and it will be okay AND the end of the israelites, because people have to live in reality again
This.
The good news for all you blackpillers is that as resource scarcity starts to hit we will snap out of clown world pretty fast.
Woke liberal social policy is a luxury that only decadent societies can afford to engage in.
Without cheap energy, first world problems will give way to real problems again and people can always be expected to act (and vote) in their own selfish interest.
Shit gets real when people get cold and hungry.
yeah I kinda wish
in reality they are prepared to run the society on decentralized energy sources (PV, wind, biogas, small water, ..) aka the people's energy via smart meters and QR-code-systems and leg
they can switch whenever they want
the only have to decide and they will
>policy based
>policy based
>policy based
"The speaker, who cannot be identified according to commission rules, went on: "Three decades of globalization -- defined as integrated, free-market based and deflationary -- has been replaced by what will be a multidecade period of globalization defined as fragmented, not-free-market-based but industrial-policy based and structurally inflationary. This year, 2023, is Year One of this new global order."
The elites already know what's coming.
If you understand that energy and its availability dictates what is even possible for a society and then consider that these people are just rational actors seeking to preserve their way of life, it's pretty easy to understand the moves they are making and why.
It's not that they want to rule over us as feudal lords, it's that they recognize feudalism is coming back no matter what because it's all we can support and they want to make sure they stay on top after the general societal breakdown and degeneration.
The "energy reserve" isn't the total amount of materials left in the ground, it's the amount that's economic to extract at current prices. Your panic has happened dozens of times before for various materials. What happens is that as the supply starts to drop, prices go up. And when prices go up, it becomes viable to explore for these materials in areas which would have previously been too expensive to extract them from. For example, the extraction of oil sands in the 1970s.
>oil sands
yes
but that is only viable, because it is highly subsidizes
from an energy standpoint, it takes almost as much energy to produce them as they provide.
so no civilization can run on these
look up eroi
it's NOT about money
This is 100% true, however what your analysis fails to grasp is that as the real cost of extracting these resources increases so too does their value relative to every other commodity.
This is what I mean by energy transitioning from something modern people take for granted into a luxury which is really only available for the wealthy.
I would not be surprised to see the beginnings of these in the next couple decades where it becomes normal for poor people's, homes to not have electricity.
Eventually that will trickle up to middle class people and only the rich will have electricity.
This is already the case with fuel oils and automobiles.
This.
It will SLOWLY become more expensive, and as it does, we will find new sources or alternatives. If it goes up high enough then electric cars (powered by nuclear) might actually be economically viable (unlike now).
Of course we would actually have to RECYCLE the fucking batteries and rare earth magnet engines, instead of just burying them in landfills.
It is not about price it is about EROI
THIS
everyone, pls look it up
nuclear is actually at 5, dont fool yourselves
Do you guys listen to
Joseph Taninter
John Michael Greere
James Howard Kunstler
Mike Ruppert (RIP)
Never heard of any of those guys, I just study energy for a living and politics as a hobby.
Mike fucked with the cia…got suicided
Pretty much all of his friends in the peak oil community disagree with that. They think he killed himself. He had a podcast called "The life boat hour" and if you listened he was progressively getting further and further down the rabbit hole. It is to bad, he was talking about Bitcoin when it was a few dollars, had he bought and held he could have had a comfy life.
RIP
Maybe so…still sad he seemed cool af for an x zog
I got to meet him and have a beer with him at his sept 11 2011 talk in Portland, smoke a joint with him as well. It was a little of black pill for me, I need ride home and offered him and the people he was staying with an oz of pot if they would give me a ride, Mike was a dick about it.
Michael Ruppert Confronts CIA Director John Deutch
100% this.
Eroei is what determines the ultimate level of sophistication a society can achieve.
It has already been dropping in the developed parts of the world, and as it continues to decline we will inevitably revert to more primitive forms of social organization.
Expect to see colonialism, monarchy, and feudalism all make big comebacks over the next century.
Of course these systems will take on new forms and won't be called the same things, but make no mistake that's where we are headed.
also we will never run out of mineral oil and gas,
but it will become harder to pump and the EROI of it will drop massivly
CANNOT POSSIBLY HAPPEN.
1. Oil is a HydroCarbon,
, not "fossil fuel".
is a combination of H (hydrogen) and C (carbon) molecules. Hydrogen is the most abundant element on the planet, why C carbon is the source of life that every life form has.
2. Oil is 2nd largest liquid on the planet after water.
3. There are 50 other hydrocarbons produced by the planet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocarbon
We will never run out of water. From the above, the planet will keep producing as much oil as we need, unless israelite really are extremely greedy and will burn all of easily accessible ones.
Octane is what we put in cars.
If we run out of easily accessible oil, we will mass research:
>Hydrogen
Largest release of energy on the planet in 20th century was a Hydrogen bomb. It used very small amount of Hydrogen.
and
>We'll tap back into our free electrical energy grid that was left on the planet by previous civilizations.
“Fossil” fuels? Go watch some more talmudvision retard.
There is a chance that it will never really run out.
It could just get more expensive over time while alternatives get cheaper and better until the remaining oil is no longer economical.
Of course this assumes continuous technological progress and improvements especially much cheaper non fossil power and maybe cheaper energy storage.
Everything we use from oil can be synthetized as far as I know especially fuels it just obviously isn't economical right now, but that could change with cheaper power and more expensive oil.
Ill get on my horse and rape, rob, pillage like they did 150 yrs ago duh
newgyuler
Malthusian Collapse
Malthusians are fools because they ignore the other limiting principles that exist in complex systems outside of a petri dish.
Yes, our current levels of resource consumption are unsustainable and as they deplete we will see systemic collapses, however as systems fail our societies will collapse outright but will rather revert to simpler, more sustainable, forms.
Humanity will not go extinct, but the societies of the future will be markedly more primitive than those of today and the transitions will likely be rather unpleasant.
For the techno homosexuals that think tech will get us out of this watch this.
Collapse of Complex Societies by Dr. Joseph Tainter
It won't.
Notice how the climate grifters stopped crying about muh peak oil for the last 15 years or so.
>grifters stopped crying about muh peak oil for the last 15 years or so.
Fracking came along retard. Conventional crude oil peaked around 2005.
>What happens after the world runs out of fossil fuels?
we make oil from water just the the Earth ds.
https://rumble.com/vhodfb-full-unedited-version-of-oil-from-water..html
your "science" needs Upwising...
Something I'll leave up to my great, great, great, great grandchildren to figure out.
There's a lot of fucking oil left.
Also, you ever wonder how a personal carbon tax works when China alone burns 6,500,000,000 tons of it per year? Kek.
Why do you think there is such a massive push for immigration? They even call white women who sleep with immigrants "COALburners." Your not listening to the predictive programming. They call every green incentive "the new deal" or some variation of that.
New coal is already there.
We switch to ammonia fuel. All it takes to produce is air, water, a power source, and a machine that does all the chemistry and compression for you. It is about two thirds as efficient as gasoline, costs $0.25/litre, and is compatible with both diesel and conventional ICE vehicles.
https://www.ammoniaenergy.org/
Now watch as the bots completely ignore this post. Guaranteed zero replies, just like every time I post about this.
>Guaranteed zero replies
here's for (you)
Appreciate it, Hans. You're okay.
>All it takes to produce is air, water, a power source,
what is the power source?
Anything strong enough. Solar, hydroelectric, gas, nuclear, wind, doesn't matter.
>Now watch as the bots completely ignore this post
your "science" is out of date
Oil can be made from Water with Magnetic Fields that have a SOUTH POLE Bias
Oil so pure you can pour it in a VW Golf for pennies a gallon and NO REFINING
Every one can be an Petroleum produced in their back yard with a couple hundred dollars of equipment
now watch YOU ignore this post....
https://rumble.com/vhodfb-full-unedited-version-of-oil-from-water..html
This sounds like alchemy hogwash.
>rumble video
Look man, I posted a link to an international association of researchers that report on real projects, such as building BARGES that are powered ammonia fuel. You'll have to bring more to the table than a Rumble video of some boomer in his garage.
>Now watch as the bots completely ignore this post
And like clockwork YOU ignored this post completely because of 'rumble'.
The JoeCell (boomer) is world FAMOUS for making a car run on Water and LEVITATE
our OIL production is ju7st another Tesla Tech invention using Magnetics.
but you stay ignorant and addicted to some one else making your energy
Civilizational collapse, mass starvation, complete eradication of all forests and edible wildlife near population centers, nuclear meltdowns at most if not all reactors, basically the entire reason for the creation and dissemination of the sterilizing clot shot amongst all 1st world, entirely fossil fuel dependant populations. What they are doing is horrid but the alternative is even more terrifying.
Oil is abiotic, it doesn't run out.
On a geologic scale (millions of years) this is true. On a human scale, abiotic oil replineshing at hundreds of millions of barrels a year is cope posting.
This graph is Horseshit Oil is here for at least 300 more years.
Source: Oil&Gas exploration for the last 25 years.
Wikipedia says nuclear has like 100x EROI. Where does the 5 number come from?
because the official numbers are bullshit
if you ask me, it will never go above 0 ever again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_digestion
you can make fossil fuel at home.
Biofuels. There should be about 4 billion naggers by that time.
colonize titan for methane.moon for helium-3
When the rest of the world runs out we'll tap into those sweet South Australian deposits that we haven't said anything about since they were discovered.
>Look at me
>I am Saudi Arabia now.
That OPEC exists proves that the world is not running out of carbon. If something is scarce there is no cartel needed to limit supply, so that the price increases.
OPEC does not have a monopoly on oil production. Global suppliers all participate in the same global market. OPEC does have enough production to affect the price, but they certainly cannot set the price. Ghawar field is the largest oil reserve on the planet and will be completely gone within 30yrs. https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Ghawar_Field
corn plastics and electrolytic combustion
The whole peak oil meme is a good one but it's just a meme. Humans will just overcome the adversity with time. As it becomes more scarce, there will be big pushes to replace key technologies. Im not worried about logistics, energy production or transport. Im worried about pesticides and fertilizers. It's likely that they'll prioritize those and then find alternative solutions for transport and energy. Eventually they'll find petroleum substitutes for farming as well. Peak oil always tries to frame it as some kind of impact event once we reach a certain threshold, but crises tend to be dealt with more cautiously than that.
>technologies
Technology does not produce energy.
>Humans will just overcome the adversity with time.
This is the biggest cope meme of them all.
All essential chemicals can be synthesized, that's not the problem.
The problem is how much energy it takes to do so and the relative availability of that energy.
There is nothing even close to providing the EROI of oil. For civilization to abandon just oil, not even all other fossil fuels, you would have to return the global population to it's level before the industiral revolution. Otherwise billions will simply starve to death for lack of diesel to power transport semi's and farming tractors. Hence the plandemic. Once again, they feel justified in doing the evil because the alternative is even more of a hellscape.
no dude no
>for a moment think about how much energy and work hours the globalists suck out the system,
>directly via interests (taxes..) and indirectly via policies (immigration, oboslescence...).
>throw them out and eroi 15 is more than sufficient for our current standard of living, with a bit morew >recycling
Yeah I'd like to have a pet unicorn that flies thru rainbows too but the last guy that tried to eliminate interest collecting usurers from his monetary system ended up getting 10 million Germans killed. We would need a literal Hitler to come to power in order to make any of that possible.
start by doing it yourself
go rural
get PV
pay cash
get out of the system as much as possible
the next plandemic is highly likely winter 24/25,
so it'll pay out anyway
indeed krautbro, indeed.
We won't. What will happen is that the input cost of extraction will slowly creep up. Mind that the margin between extraction cost and benefit is what all the prosperity built since the industrial revolution is resting upon. Luxury discretionaries will be the first to go.
'Renewables' lack the energy density to offer us the extremely high standard of living the modern era offerred to even its most wretched members.
This guy has the straight dope:
https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/
>he believes in Peak oil
It won't, you probably think it's all made from dino fossils like a retard.
Dumbass without high school education posts a false graph without citation
good job ya fuckin retard
running out of combustion fuels like that would be a good thing.
A Christian schizo rabble believing the world is only 6000-10k years old that lead to these talks. Earth is in the billions so we're not running out of oil anytime soon. However, the US becoming more urgent to go full electric might secretly suggest the US is running out oil to force charge at the correct decade the transition will be needed.
The was a peak oil anon who used to post fairly regularly here with real knowledge and data and I did quite well following his predictions. I think most of his stuff is still in the archives. He was probably gang stalked and killed or something by now.
I miss that bro, we are still alive however.
>oil gone by 2050
I work at a super major oil and gas company. This is absolutely retarded.
they should offer that graph as a template so each few decades they just need to change the years
We start using E-85 and bio diesel. Not that hard to figure out
>what happens when the world runs out of slaves?
>what happens when the world runs out of food?
>what happens when the world runs out of wood?
>what happens when the world runs out of fossil fuels?
>what happens when the world runs out of uranium?
>what happens when the world runs out of cobalt, nickel, copper and lithium?
Theyve been predicting its gonna run out since the 90s