I have a HP Pavilion gaming PC with a 400w PSU. My specs are:
Ryzen 5 3400
GTX 1650 Super 4GB
512GB SSD
1TB SSD
16GB RAM
What other GPUs could I replace my GTX 1650 Super with? Is an rx 5500 8gb doable with a 400w psu?
What GPUs can I have in my PC?
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is your 1650 Super dead? the rx 5500 wouldn't be an upgrade
No my 1650 super isn't dead. I want a gpu with more vram
You can get a 3050, it's a 130W card, has 8GB VRAM, is as good as a 1070 but with DLSS and raytracing(though a 3050 is way too weak for raytracing, it can't even run Quake 2 at 1080p/60fps) and allows you to use Stable Diffusion if you're into that kind of thing.
will my ryzen 5 3400 work with a 3050?
I have this exact setup OP only the intel variant. Was a good buy for 499
Right now you're pretty much boned, 3050 is your only real choice unless AMD has something up there sleeves for the 7000 series. Assuming we have the same PSU, you're limited to a 400W 80PLUS which is actually good as it's simply a server PSU shoved into the case. Your biggest issue here will be the power draw
yes.. it's all pcie
>pcie
pcie is literally just usb for hardware fwiw - the limiting factor is pretty much always your power supply and if it will fit your desktop's case as the former is typically not built for upgrades and the latter doesn't normally fit it but you have a gaming pc as is so you're fine.
>400W
ouch, that'll limit you
Also OP keep in mind going to a 3050 will only provide maybe a 20-25% boost over the 1650 SUPER. You're going to be dishing out 250-300 dollars for not all that much of a gain.
yeah, upgrading only makes sense if you're planning to get a 3060 Ti or above(unless you need a 12GB 3060 for budget productivity)
OP's probably in the same boat as me, where the bottleneck is simply games wanting +4GB vram where that's more of the bottleneck. I was looking up a 3050 but holding off till the AMD 7k series comes out to see what their mainstream shit will be. 300 bucks for maybe 25% increase at best.
If it wasn't for getting this PC for sub 500 in 2020 during gpu shitfest I wouldn't have bothered but my 1050 Ti was on it's last leg
None of my games have had issues with 4GB VRAM so far but I bought Death Stranding Director's Cut and I heard that needs 6GB VRAM. Also I read that you need at least 8GB VRAM for a lot of games now.
I don't have issues with my 4GB @ 1440p with most games but games like the yakuza series get really fucking wonky at times. LAD 7 was doable but Judgement and anything else along those lines you have to make some serious compromises. It reminds me a lot of how my 1050 TI was in the later years, yeah it works but you have to really spend a fair amount of time tweaking games to get a consistent 50-60fps
kys
Hey, have the same PC, except mine is a Ryzen 5 3500, mine only came with a 256gb NVMe though.. upgraded my ram to 32gb and added a 2TB HD.. BiOS is utter wank on these, you can't change shit. I read that HP limits the speed of the NVMe in these too to x2 and not the advertised x4
Just a heads up. RX 6600 non XT has 132 watt tdp. RX 5500 xt and 3050 have 130 watt tdp. And 1650 super has 100 watt tdp.
So if you PSU can handle a 5500xt or a 3050 it sure as hell can handle a rx 6600 non xt which only consumes 2 more watts. And 6600 non xt is cheaper than 3050 here and performs much better.
Biggest issue is that the performance of to 3050 isn't all that good, if they do release a desktop version of the 3050 Ti, it MIGHT be worth looking into. Right now the best option is to wait and see what the AMD 7000 series lower end stuff will bring. At best a 3050 will bring 50% performance updates in games where the vram is needed, on average you're looking at 20%
The strongest point for the 3050 upgrade is that by utilizing DLSS you can get some better performance if image quality isn't as important to you. The 1650 SUPER doesn't really have proper support from what I've been able to gather with my research, would happy to be wrong but I can't find any proper answers.
I wasn't talking about him getting a 3050. Just pointing out that if his PSU can handle a 3050 it can handle a 6600 non xt which close if not same performance (in specific games) as the 3060 12gb. All the while being cheaper than the 3050 (at least in my country)
Problem is that PCIE 3.0 on the system board OP is running basically fucks the usage of recommending it, unless I am mistaken OP's pc like my version is only 3.0 vs. 4.0 so the 3050 would win in this metric.
Otherwise I would agree that the 6600 might be worth it if there wasn't that weird PCIE change shit
Both 3050 and 6600 non xt are pcie 4.0 8x cards. I looked at videos of both rtx 3050 and rx 6600 non xt on pcie 3.0 mode. With rx 6600 non xt in most games on pcie 3.0 it was.... 1 fps slower. Though in games where there was a noticable performance drop it was about 10%-15% slower on PCIE 3.0 compared to 4.0. (spider man is one of those games)
3050 has quite similar behaviour as well. On most games the PCIE 3.0 got like 2-3 fps less than on PCIE 4.0. Expect on few games where it was like 8%-12% slower on PCIE 3.0.
Fair I haven't looked at the benches in a while so my memory is probably off.
6600XT isn't bad and FSR 2.1 is pretty damn nice, power requirements are similar as well. Guess it comes down really to what is available in cost, 6600 would be a good deal at 250 my biggest concern is that the 6600 size on this case might be an issue. The SWFT 6600 is about 1 inch longer and a bit wider vs your run of the mill 3050.
I think you were confusing 6600 non xt with the RX 6500xt. With that one yeah you didn't want to run it in PCIE 3.0. But that's because it was a PCIE 4.0 X4 card. So halving the bandwith from 7877 (which is slightly less than PCIE 2.0 X16) to 3938 (which is sligtly less than PCIE 1.0 X16). So you halved the small bandwith it already had.
While halving PCIE 4.0 X8 to PCIE 3.0 X8 isn't gonna give that bad results due to the fact you did not halve such a small amount of bandwith.
I just checked my setup, my shit is limited to 2x speeds, guess this explains a lot of the weird numbers I've been getting. I might just need to spend 300 dollars on a new case/mobo/psu setup. No wonder I've been having odd issues getting 1/4th the speeds I should be. Just doublechecked with heaven benchmark, 1650 SUPER should be getting ~100FPS on high, getting ... 45
What about the rest of the system? Wouldn't it make sense buying something like a used 3400g and then selling the HP with that? Or just sell the HP and buy a whole new system.
I'm not OP but was looking at upgrading my system OP has, holding off to the AMD 7k series lineup. I'm the intel anon, makes sense for me to just reuse my CPU+16GB ram and Nvme+HDD, and port over to a new system.
OP is probably in the same boat as me as our setups are similar, he's running at 2x as well so a 3050 upgrade would be absolutely pointless. Going from 2x->4 or 8x would probably resolve any fps issues he is having.
>Z590
How the fuck do you plan to put the Ryzen 5 in an Intel board?
Yeah I looked at a video of one of these and yeah there ain't much room. The oem card is about 150mm. And even smaller 6600's (like powercolor fighters) are 200mm. I think with the HDD cover off you should be able to fit one of those though. Then again non OEM 3050's also tend to be at least 200mm.
How are the drivers for AMD cards?, I keep reading they're bad to terrible.
They are fine, just during each update do "factory reset".
I'm not even OP but when this shit came out with the GPU crunch for the price these things were fucking pure value. Biggest gripe on these is 2 DIMM slots.
stop posting this shitty tower for fuck sakes
its been over a year and you insist on shilling this terrible prebuilt...If you lived with 50 km's of my hometown (Revelstoke) I wouldn't hesitate to pour bleach on your lawn, dipshit.
I'm going to go to Revelstoke and punch you square in the nose
do you really need more?
Spend d the extra money and upgrade your PSU and Case. The you can worry about a massive GPU upgrade.
Not the advice you want to hear but this is the best advice.
Also keep in mind HP released a version of this pavillion with a 1660ti that used the same 80 plus platinum 400 watt unit you have. That OEM 1660ti is also one of the smallest 1660ti's ever isnce it's the same size as your 1650 super.
OP I run the same system
Don't bother, the PCIE is x2 unless you remove your NVME drive. You're being cucked in bus speed.
I have a very similar machine, AMD version (came with 5600g // rx 5500).
Best you can reasonably do with the 1x 8 pin and 400W psu is a 6600xt. I bought one for $160. If you were a madlad you could get a 6700 non-XT although the prices and performance make that a retarded choice.
At least on my very similar system (AMD version though), I didn't get cucked like this. Motherboard is a joke though.
WHAT THE FUCK happened?
>you could get a 6700 non-XT although the prices and performance make that a retarded choice
I think my 6700 XT was a decent deal, a fucking 3060 was 150 more. Not sure about the non-XT though.
>1x 8pin
Ah fuck, the reference 6700 XT needs 2x 6pin and my XFX just refuses to work without 2x 8pin plugged in. Even 1x 8 and 1x 6 pin didn't work.
6700XT is fine, the 6700 on the other hand, while it was a decent deal for awhile is now basically the same price as the XT, and its barely better than a 6600/6650. Very few of them generally for sale a well, very very few to none on used markets. And thats assuming there is a 1x 8pin version to use as well.
LMAO, I've thought I've seen everything when it comes to shitty prebuilts but that is just embarrassing. That's half the max bandwidth of a fucking Thunderbolt 3 eGPU connection. EXP GDC eGPU connected to a Thinkpad P50 wouldn't be much slower at PCIe 3.0 x1. It's honestly amazing that they have the gull to sell a "gaming" PC with PCIe link gimped to this extent.
Unless you both damaged your cards in some way when taking them out or putting them into the PC, but what are the chances that it happened to two people who both post on this board. Unless it's a common production flaw with those machines, and then we come back to the previous paragraph.
Your only option is the RX6600. Everything else is not an upgrade or requires you to upgrade your mobo and PSU
>Is an rx 5500 8gb doable with a 400w psu?
you could go up to a 6700 XT probably
I run mine with a 530w and a 100w cpu (overclocked)
>What other GPUs could I replace my GTX 1650 Super with?
You don't... You throw that away, and having learned your lesson, start building a real computer. Then you spread awareness so other people don't waste money on these prebuilt trash