What drives Americans to LARP as Russians or Greeks?
What drives Americans to LARP as Russians or Greeks?
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Is this a LARP? To me it's like going back in time and like you've entered Solomon's Temple
I'm usually not this autistic but in this case I really don't know if you're being ironic or not.
I'm not. It's just like Solomon's Temple
Converting to a different sect because it looks cool is larp
There are only a few institutions left in America that will tell you that life has inherent meaning, that a man wearing a dress is not a woman, that human beings have inherent dignity, that up is not down, that black is not white, that north is not south.
The Orthodox church is one of these institutions. Where other Christian sects like Catholicism and Protestantism have embraced the world, Orthodoxy is one of the few that still offers refuge from it.
Some (
) will call this a LARP, but can you blame the LARPers? In a world where everything is fake, for the first time they've found something that feels real. That I cannot and will not condemn.
>In a world where everything is fake, for the first time they've found something that feels real. That I cannot and will not condemn.
But it's simply falsehood and you need to search for the truth. It would be just like validating a tranny's identity as a woman, but the fact is that they are simply not one.
The difference is that trannies deny obvious reality, whereas the Orthodoxy draws its teachings from reality.
What does Orthodoxy offer that Sedevacantism does not? The paragraph below are some arguments Sedes have against the new Mass.
You can be a traditional Catholic and go to Latin Mass without being a Sedevacantist. Even in the 14th century when there was confusion about who the real Pope was, they still didn't call each other heretics.
The thing is they believe the Vatican will be connected to the antichrist and the end times prophecy one day and they are the remnant church. They fear a lot more than just losing Latin Mass. They've been saying things like how the current Vatican wants you to worship man as God and how you don't even know if the new saints declared are in hell or not so you could be contacting a demon.
Damn... sounds a lot like the gates of hell prevailed against the Roman Church then
They believe the gates haven't prevailed because they are the remnant church, God's chosen people and true Israel. They say things like how in the end most people will be lost and this is exactly in line with what the Bible says. They also say things like how God is putting manifest heretics in the Vatican on purpose to punish the church for not wanting to know the truth.
Sede culture is pre Vatican 2 Catholicism. It's very focused on intellectual debates, doctrine, and the specific meaning of documents that Orthodoxy is not. It's also very focused on the culture wars.
>Sede trad Caths is they're far more obsessed with intellectual debates and quoting documents
>They're also big into the culture wars and end times.
sounds like protestantism lol
>What does Orthodoxy offer that Sedevacantism does not?
Where can I go to a sedevacantist church? What does sedevacantist culture look like? Sedevacantism rejects modernity, but it does not offer anything in its place. At best it offers shadow of Catholicism, which if that is what you want you may as well just become a regular Catholic.
Yes I am aware that in Orthodox countries they are Orthodox. I'm sure if you move to Romania being a Seventh Day Adventist will set you apart. That's not what matters. What matters is upholding truth in the face of adversity.
>Yes I am aware that in Orthodox countries they are Orthodox. I'm sure if you move to Romania being a Seventh Day Adventist will set you apart. That's not what matters. What matters is upholding truth in the face of adversity.
Have you ever spoken to anyone from those countries? About how laughably corrupt the church is and how it was for its history?
>Orthodox clergy is corrupt.
Catholic clergy is filled with pedophiles.
Protestantism is filled with fags.
You will find problems no matter where you go because men are flawed.
>but muh history
Historically the Catholics were despotic tyrants and the protestants didn't exist.
The pedophile argument with the Catholics is overblown. In any case, I don't consider myself Catholic or Protestant. Just Christian.
>Where other Christian sects like Catholicism and Protestantism have embraced the world, Orthodoxy is one of the few that still offers refuge from it.
And this is simply a lie. See how the church is doing in Russia, the Balkans, or in Greece. And see how it worked historically.
I don't need an institution to tell me anything
>In a world where everything is fake, for the first time they've found something that feels real.
>Feels real.
Its LARP.
>Converting to a different sect because it looks cool
According to a legend about choosing a new religion for Rus', this was the reason why they chose orthodoxy over catholicism.
A legend is a legend, but there is something to it.
America is the descendant of Rome.
Some tards like Russia and Greece, but they are competitors to the claim, not allies.
It's the descendant of Judea
>being proud of being an "American"
the absolute state
>ACK
You got a problem with that?
Growing up in cultureless WASP households and wanting to pretend to be different & radical believers.
As an American Orthodox Christian, I can say it's because we have no culture of our own. We are a land of mongrels where every culture comes to lose its culture. There is the faintest undercurrent of Christianity here, but it has no distinct cultural character. American protestantism has no cultural roots or tradition grounding it, so it invariably devolves into either prosperity theology or transforms into something indistinguishable from a radical political ideology. American Catholicism also has lost touch with its European roots. Orthodoxy is the only form of Christianity that has yet to be firmly embedded in the American cultural void, and thus retains a relatively pure and untainted tradition. It is a Christian tradition, so it is linked to the Christian undercurrent which remains in my American soul, but it has yet to be corrupted by rootless black hole that is American culture. It's in the process of being corrupted now, but I'm hoping that I'm getting in early enough to give my children something of a pure religious tradition they can carry with them.
>Orthodoxy is the only form of Christianity that has yet to be firmly embedded in the American cultural void, and thus retains a relatively pure and untainted tradition. It is a Christian tradition, so it is linked to the Christian undercurrent which remains in my American soul, but it has yet to be corrupted by rootless black hole that is American culture.
But that's just LARP. And when you study Orthodox history and culture, you will see how shallow and artificial it really is. How much it has simply been a vessel of corruption in the Byzantine and Russian empires. At its core, it appears completely soulless.
Lying vatican pope worshipping dog the Orthodox were the wealthiest,most advanced and most powerful with Empire we are rising again under the ascendant awareness of the Orthodox world.. Neverník pig.
Shut the fuck up. The fact that you're slamming random slavic words into your english rants proves just how much of a retarded larper you are.
Lying white popedog worshipping bastard your religion was created to weaken Orthodoxy pig smelling lower than a pig bastard.
Turkdogs are fake muslim atheist colonizer racist batards that hate Balkans and Arabs we slaughtered them from our lands. Orthodoxy is rising in Africa and Middle East there will be 100 million African Orthodox by 2035
I'm a slav you retarded amerifat larper. I don't worship israeli deities.
Not him. So instead you're atheist or you worship the deities that monks wrote down?
Slav does not mean anything race is meaningless fake white atheist bastard religion is all that matters racist dog, supremacist filth, you are lower than a pig, its life has more meaning than yours bastard
Sosi huy serbskiy petuh. Serbians spent their entire history getting buttfucked by foreigners and are trannies who have stockholm syndrome for Turks.
The theology itself is rooted in the writings of the early Church fathers. Unlike Catholism, the Orthodox Church had no supreme patriarch to modernize its theology and traditions over the centuries. It certainly isn't rooted in the fevor dream of some 19th century schizo grifter like many American protestant denominations.
Why should I join an Orthodox church instead of a Sedevacantist church though? I don't care about numbers.
I've read the early Church fathers and I don't see how they prove Orthodoxy, especially Orthodoxy in its current or historical state. Augustine, for example, deviates heavily from Orthodox teaching and God allowed his teachings to become dominant among most Christians. Why not just be a Christian instead of cultishly attaching yourself to a specific denomination?
Because I want to be apart of a community and a tradition. I could honestly give two shits about the objective validity of the theology. I don't question it. I just accept it. I'm not going to sit at home by myself and bask in the glory of my own theological sophistication. I listen to my priest, read the Church fathers and do what everyone else in my parish is doing.
>Because I want to be apart of a community and a tradition. I could honestly give two shits about the objective validity of the theology. I don't question it. I just accept it. I'm not going to sit at home by myself and bask in the glory of my own theological sophistication. I listen to my priest, read the Church fathers and do what everyone else in my parish is doing.
That is simply not a good way to live your life, especially if you genuinely believe in God. If God is the ultimate standard of truth, then wouldn't it be sinful to willingly embrace a lie?
This is the kind of thinking which lead the West to atheism. I don't think for myself on theological matters. I simply accept the ancient wisdom and traditions which go far deeper than anything I can dream up in my limited intellect. It's the height of arrogance that the West placed the intellect above tradition. That is the West's downfall.
>This is the kind of thinking which lead the West to atheism. I don't think for myself on theological matters. I simply accept the ancient wisdom and traditions which go far deeper than anything I can dream up in my limited intellect. It's the height of arrogance that the West placed the intellect above tradition. That is the West's downfall.
The West was historically infinitely more successful than Byzantium or Russia, both of which will always be completely foreign to you. If you are going to LARP as foreign ancient cultures, then why not be a Hindu or something?
Read the thread. I've already answered these questions.
I can think of twenty cultures that are cooler than the Byzantines or Russians.
Converting to Orthodoxy had nothing to do with thinking Russian or Byzantine culture is cool. I have no particular affinity for those cultures outside of their association with Orthodoxy.
And how is this not any less absurd than transgenderism?
I think converting to Orthodoxy would be more analogous to manosphere culture. Our traditional gender roles have been stripped from us in modern times, so we have to fill the void by larping traditional masculine archetypes, despite having no meaningful cultural connection to them.
What is Sede culture more analogous to? The difference between them (Sedes and closet Sedes) and non Sede trad Caths is they're far more obsessed with intellectual debates and quoting documents, speaking about issues of doctrine and theology all the time and comparing and contrasting statements. They're also big into the culture wars and end times. They also take the Papacy so seriously they discard it. They claim if the Pope and Vatican errs there is no Pope or Vatican authority.
Sedes are basically Anglicans or Lutherans from 500 years ago. Originally Protestantism that wasn't Calvinistic was basically Catholicism minus the Pope. Anglicanism eventually became more anti-High Church because of the influence of Puritanism.
The funny thing is though many Sedes believe in Predestination and being the chosen people but are pro high church. They believe in things like God personally arranging salvation and baptism and God giving them special graces that aren't given to other people that allow them to see the truth. They think that things like baptism of desire and invincible ignorance deny God's providence because to some of them, God personally arranges baptisms and conversions and gives special graces. Pic related is a Sede saying to thank God you are given special grace and also special grace to cooperate with that grace.
Here are some statements as well:
Could any statement from a Saint refute the heresy of salvation for the “invincibly ignorant” better? St. Isaac knew that those heathen who did not come to know the Catholic Faith and get baptized simply were not preordained for eternal life.
Rather, as Catholics we believe in the true understanding of predestination, which is expressed by St. Isaac Jogues and Romans 8 above. This true understanding of predestination simply means that God’s foreknowledge from all eternity makes sure that those who are of good will and are sincere will be brought to the Catholic faith and come to know what they must – and that those who are not brought to the Catholic faith and don’t know what they must were not among the elect.
Some of it's based on the doctrines of Father Feeney as well
"Father Feeney supervised and gave his final approval to 'Reply to a Liberal' by Raymond Karam. '": "The only remedy against original sin is baptism, and all those whom God predestined to salvation, He draws them to this remedy. All the children who die unbaptized and all the adults who die ignorant of baptism, or who, having been drawn to it by God's Providence, refuse it, are not predestinate, but will perish eternally".
That sounds like D&D sessions with the lads minus the dice rolls. You're literally just larping.
>You're literally just larping
Yes, I already admitted this here.
Why do you all think it's some kind of pwn to tell me I'm larping?
Why not concert to Judaism then? It's much cooler.
Because I'm a Christian.
So you don't care about God's word at all, yet you still claim to care about the state of our world? Salvation doesn't come from blindly going to any church, parish, whatever. Do you even read the Bible and take lessons from it? Do you have a genuine connection with the holy spirit? It doesn't sound like you do. God's kingdom is a heavenly one and not a material one, and if you're not willing to surrender yourself to our LORD and let him take the weight of our sin, all of your works are for nothing.
I read the Bible, I pray and commune with God daily, but I don't have the arrogance to think that I, a 30 year old literallywho in the year 2022, know more about God's word than a 2000 year old tradition of men who have lived and breathed his word for centuries.
But why Orthodox as opposed to Catholic or not identifying with one denomination?
They are important, but no language is holier than another. It's very obvious that the ancient Roman Christians didn't think their own language was holy or anything special, it's only that people many centuries later then adopted the view that it was.
As I've mentioned before catholicism has been corrupted by modern secularism, and protestantism is theological arrogance of the kind I previously mentioned.
What do you think of the argument that Palamism is heretical?
I didn't say I did either. I'm just asking questions bro. I'm fence sitting right now on the whole denomination thing but have been inquiring about GOARCH, I just don't know. Maybe I should talk to one of the priests at a local one near me
Also I readily admit I am larping. But as an American with no cultural roots, my only choices are to larp or to fall into the default American culture of nihilism, self-absorption and consumption.
Wouldn't it make sense to focus on western Europe then, instead of larping as a Greek or Russian (peoples who historically did far worse than the westerners)?
Not to me, for the reasons I mentioned here
Assuming you're a white American, your ancestors would've been western Europeans. With clear continuity from the Protestant and formerly Catholic world.
>we have no culture of our own
Stopped reading
Tradcucks looking for new ways to “own the libs”. They have convert zeal but will jump on the next bandwagon when they decide it is not politically extreme enough for their tastes
Zoroastrianism is the next stage of TradLARP. First it will be Orthodoxy, then islam, then Buddhism, and then finally Zoroastrianism. Just as Ahura Mazda intended.
Nah the Avesta isn't as accessible as the Bible or the Quran.
Trads are trying to escape Nihilism and want ideology. They won't go for Buddhism because it's too Nihilistic to them.
Then they must LARP as one of Ahura Mazda's warriors in the fight against Ahriman and druj. It's also a based Indo-European religion, unlike the Semitic religion of Christianity.
Iranians are considered Semites in the USA.
For real?
Yes. Iranians and Arabs are considered the same here.
Reverence is also important.
This is the type of music I like to hear. I don't like rock in church.
I don't take church services with rock seriously myself. I think reverent, melodic singing in the vernacular language is best.
I like a mix of Latin and English depending on what it is. I would want the priest to read and discuss the Bible in English and an exorcism in Latin for example.
There is not one leader of the church popedog bastard. We are decentralized. We cannot be corrupted we hold tight to the dogma which cannot be changed and safeguard the phronema your vatican bastard religion changes every century
Pic related is another Sede argument meme
Chatolicism in English is terrible.
Please keep this language in Anglican and protestant fields.
You need to learn English then
You should learn Latin or Italian.
English kills each kind of catholic solemnity and austerity.
It is fine for contemporary music, it might be fine for second-tier christian movements. It is ridicolous for catholic church.
Latin or Italian is not any more sacred than Inuit. Sorry.
Not sacred.
It is about the feelings that some languages transmit.
In the same way you do not use French to sound minaceous or German to sing about love.
You can have Latin Mass but argue about documents in English. I don't see the contradiction here.
No contradditions.
I just never happened to read Catholic verses in English. This is my first time and I find it inadequate as it sounds like Christianity under vasectomy.
How do you think reading the verses in English affected the Sedes? They're obsessed with dissecting the verses and documents. I wondered the effect of the English language on their psyche.
Just imagine how ridicolous is Holy Ghost respect to Spiritus Sanctus or Spirito Santo.
Holy Ghost is motherfucking Casper.
topu keku
Those are really just word games though.
Yes. But solemnity is all about games.
Why is an altar more solemn than my kitchen table? They both serve the function.
>But solemnity is all about games.
I understand what you're saying, but solemnity in the liturgy arises from the fact that you are dealing with sacred things -- with the Eucharist, which is the Body and Blood of Christ.
Thomas Howard, 'Evangelical Is Not Enough' is a good short book on this subject.
Spirito Santo sounds a lot more powerful to me. Not gonna lie.
This is why people wanna bring back Latin Mass. It sounds so much cooler.
Why Latin? Orthodox do have a point, they use greek which was the original language of the New testament and the apostles. I for the life of me cannot understand the preference for Latin. Is it just because it sounds cool or something? Also the Septuagint is far older than the Vulgate, too.
It's so much more powerful, especially when exorcising spirits. You can hear the power and supernatural force in the language.
No you don't. This is the same argument Muslims make with Arabic and it's stupid.
It's not stupid because language and aesthetics are important. It makes you feel far closer to God because you feel a holy reverence coming from heaven. English can sound holy and like angels too if reverent enough though.
>Is it just because it sounds cool or something?
Well from a western perspective, culture. Latin is much closer than Greek.
Sure but don't lie to yourself and say it's more authentic like some do.
Yeah, the most authentic would be to just go with Aramaic.
Aramaic doesn't sound as powerful when doing an exorcism or baptism.
I'm sure screaming in German would be more powerful than any language, but that's not exactly very authentic.
If it feels authentic to me that's all that matters.
But Latin is far less authentic than Greek or Aramaic.
According to who? Not everyone is Orthodox.
I can say that the orthodox have a point though, again, Septuagint, New Testament, written in Greek.
>According to who? Not everyone is Orthodox.
Because it's further removed from early Christianity. And I'm not Orthodox.
As for arguments about LARPing or not, I believe it's sincere but this is an interesting musing thought:
It’s impossible today to be a genuine counter-revolutionary, and thus a genuine “traditional” (i.e., actual) Catholic. We live in a madhouse, a slaughterhouse, and one cannot live in a slaughterhouse without absorbing the stench. Those of us posturing as counter-revolutionaries, and thus as actual Catholics, are indeed merely posturing as such. We are all, to a greater or lesser extent, just pretenders. By our own efforts we are indeed doomed; only grace can save us.
But there is lots of sincerity within these thoughts