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What did the great pagan philosophers like Plato and Aristotle think of their gods? Were they devout worshipers?

What did the great pagan philosophers like Plato and Aristotle think of their gods? Were they devout worshipers?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Plato wrote about that in the Republic. He didn't believe in Greek myths. He was against teaching those stories to the kids, especially because Greek gods would commit rapes any many other immoral things like Cronus killing his father.
    He believed in god or the divine, but didn't believe in greek myths

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he believed in the greek gods and he didn't like the poem precisely because he saw it as blasphemy for saying the gods did things that his philosophy considered immoral
      He claimed to be descended from Poseidon for fuck sake

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >He claimed to be descended from Poseidon for fuck sake
        Where did he claim this?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not that anon but i did some digging and found this
          >“Plato was the son of Aristôn, an Athenian, and Periktionê, or Pôtônê, who alleged her heritage went back to Solon. For he had a brother named Drôpides who was the father of Kritias, the father of Kallaiskhros, the father of Kritias, who was one of the Thirty. He was also the father of Glaukôn, the father of Kharmides and Perictionê. Plato, then, as the son of Aristôn and that Perictionê, was the sixth generation after Solon. And Solon claimed his family descended from Neleus and Poseidon."-Lives and Opinions of Eminent Philosophers

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This exactly. This retard here:

        Plato wrote about that in the Republic. He didn't believe in Greek myths. He was against teaching those stories to the kids, especially because Greek gods would commit rapes any many other immoral things like Cronus killing his father.
        He believed in god or the divine, but didn't believe in greek myths

        Had no idea he was referring explicitly to poets.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Xenophanes of Colophon complained that Homer and Hesiod attributed to the gods "all that is shameful and disgraceful among men; they steal, commit adultery, and deceive one another."[5]:169–70 This line of thought found its most sweeping expression in Plato's Republic and Laws. Plato created his own allegorical myths (such as the vision of Er in the Republic), attacked the traditional tales of the gods' tricks, thefts, and adulteries as immoral, and objected to their central role in literature.[8] Plato's criticism was the first serious challenge to the Homeric mythological tradition,[57] referring to the myths as "old wives' chatter." Hanson and Heath estimate that Plato's rejection of the Homeric tradition was not favorably received by the grassroots Greek civilization.[57]

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were secret atheists but avoided expressing those views publicly and instead tried to minimize the Greek myths with a more abstract notion of divinity, similar to what Spinoza does to the Abrahamic God.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They were secret atheists
      They were the first theologians...

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both Plato and Aristotle were monotheists, they didn't believe in the Greek Gods.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >great pagan philosophers
    Aristotle and Plato weren't pagans.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They were secret atheists
      They were the first theologians...

      This is your brain on Thomas Aquinas

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literally wtf. At least read them.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          say the retard that haven't read either
          Plato didn't like the homeric poem and many myth because he saw them as insulting to the gods, that by his philosophy are all good and from the from of good

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thats a monotheistic cope, he also believed all the gods were reflections of one single god.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How is saying that the gods aren’t dicks a monotheistic cope? Saying they were monotheists is a monotheistic cope.

              >Oh no important philosophers might disagree with our religion
              >But what if they really didn’t?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >important philosophers
                Vain human philosophy, declaring themselves to be wise they became fools

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Saying they were monotheists is a monotheistic cope.

                did you even read Plato? when he talks about "Gods" he only talks about Zeus most of the time.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Hinduism isn't paganism now

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were heralds of the death of paganism by trying to make Gods transcendental (aka fake and gay) instead of real beings.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      only for Plato, Aristotle's 47 to 55 unmoved mover were though to be real beings

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Proper piety for Greeks required a lot of commitment. If the Gods are just avatars of higher concepts (at best), why would I make that massive personal sacrifice? Aristotle and Plato were proto-christcucks who are responsible for the downfall of civilization and probably our eventual extinction as a species.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Aristotle's 47 to 55 unmoved mover were though to be real beings
        Aristotle explicitly concludes that there can only be one unmoved mover.
        >"However, we must discuss this question by beginning with what has already been laid down and established. For the first principle and primary being is both essentially and accidentally immovable, but it causes the primary motion, which is eternal and unique. And since that which is moved must be moved by something else, the first mover must be essentially immovable, and eternal motion must be caused by an eternal mover, and a single motion by a single thing."
        Metaphysics, book 12, chapter 8.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Plato was a proto-Christian who believed in the Form of the Good as a transcendental god living in the next world.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What did the great pagan philosophers like Plato and Aristotle think of their gods?
    yes

    >Were they devout worshipers?
    incredibly so, at least according to Plato's dialogues

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Socrates was executed for being a heretic who corrupted the youth with his godless ways

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aristotle was a monotheist and in Physics he openly denies the possibility of more than one supreme being.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    Aristotle and Plato reached the realization that logically there could only be one God. Socrates got at that as well, and one of the reasons he was put to death was because of his rejection of polytheism. Philosophically, polytheism makes no logical sense.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. Never read about the peloponnesian war and the actual trial

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        One of the reasons among many others you stupid homosexual

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In the Apology, Plato states tha Socrates was a pious man who worshipped, and respected the Gods, Socrates was trialed for corruption of the youth and impiety but
          >In Plato’s Apology, Socrates uses his daimonion, the little divine voice in his head, as a defense against Meletus’ accusation. Socrates says that he believes in the daimonion, which is clearly some sort of spirit, so he is obviously not an atheist. A defense that refused to give the jurors what they wanted, which was an assurance that Socrates believed in the Athenian gods.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Plato competed in religious games that were rituals to Poseidon.

            Anyways, Aristotle's polytheism is definitely not "orthodox" in comparison to those around him, but in as much as he posited a world run by 47-55 Gods who were the Olympians, he was pretty fucking normal.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Uhm, excuse me, but I posted

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              Aristotle and Plato reached the realization that logically there could only be one God. Socrates got at that as well, and one of the reasons he was put to death was because of his rejection of polytheism. Philosophically, polytheism makes no logical sense.

              . Aquinas LITERALLY PROVED GOD, anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Aristotle's 47 to 55 unmoved mover were though to be real beings
                Aristotle explicitly concludes that there can only be one unmoved mover.
                >"However, we must discuss this question by beginning with what has already been laid down and established. For the first principle and primary being is both essentially and accidentally immovable, but it causes the primary motion, which is eternal and unique. And since that which is moved must be moved by something else, the first mover must be essentially immovable, and eternal motion must be caused by an eternal mover, and a single motion by a single thing."
                Metaphysics, book 12, chapter 8.

                This is the problem with just furiously googling "aristotle unmoved mover" and not actually reading, because if you had read the rest of Metaphysics 12.8 you would have seen Aristotle making the difference between the Prime Mover and the Unmoved Mover and his argument for why there HAS to be 47-55 Gods who are the Olympians.

                The Prime Mover moves the final celestial sphere which has all of the little dots (the stars) in it. This Prime Mover is Zeus. He is one of the 47-55 Unmoved Movers. They are arranged in concentric circles around the Earth, which is at the center of the universe. Zeus moves the final sphere, which causes the biggest impact upon the sublunar world (hence why he is the Prime mover, as his contribution to the total sublunar affect is the largest), but the other 46-54 Gods also have impacts too.

                This is also the problem with not reading your own quote: Aristotle argues that an Unmoved Mover is eternal and uncreated and hence so is the universe. HOWEVER, there is absolutely nothing in there about there needing to be only ONE, just that it has no prior causal source. Yes, Aristotle DID hold that the planets never crossed paths, because they move in perfect circles around the Earth, AND because they are Unmovable, you could no go up to space and kick Hermes such that he would crash into Venus (you actually cannot physically interact with the Gods at all).

                Secondly, no Plato is not a monotheist. Monotheism is an absurd contradiction in his system, it would introduce an enormous number of contradictions and illogical conclusions. The Good is the source of ontology but it isn't an entity, it's just a thing that exists so that other things exist. It doesn't demand the blood sacrifice of gentile babies, it doesn't eat foreskins, and it doesn't impregnate virgins. It can't. It doesn't think, feel, or do anything except Be.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were the heretics of their generation

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