What could the Portuguese/Spanish have done to make their colonies more loyal to them and essentially have their own version of Canada?


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What could the Portuguese/Spanish have done to make their colonies more loyal to them and essentially have their own version of Canada?

  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Been British

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the case of Brazil John VI just needed to remain in Rio de Janeiro instead of returning to Lisbon.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      yes but thats retarded
      what needed to happen is not plan the regression of Brazil into a colony again
      keep it a kingdom of the empire and have the king rule from there from time to time
      probably wouldve worked this way

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Great was the day Portugal got ride of that empire.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Puerto Rico kek

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kek, brazilian hybrids are really retarded. They really tought the portuguese empire would be centered in a non-white hellhole in south america.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cope.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Muh skin

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    it almost happened to the Philippines, Jose Rizal advocated not for independence but for the Philippines to be seen as an equal province of Spain.

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'll divide this explanation into 2 parts. first one is spain:
    To be fair anon, spain had a couple continental holdings in america that proclaimed themselves loyal. But were then forcefully liberated by the other countries, if you meet the right kind of spic he will then make sure you know those countries where lead by masons.
    But some colonies of theirs did stay loyal after the independence, mostly cuba, puerto rico, and the philipines. Those were again forcefully liberated now by the americans who said "NIGGAS IS HOUNGRY FOR SOME IMPERIALISM" if that hadn't happened spain would have probably kept them for a while longer and then maybe they'd have been dominion'd into independence.
    Portugals deal with brazil was different. mostly because a king of their own dynasty made it independent from portugal. And had the carnation revolution not happened portugal would have at the very least kept their african islands, in the best case scenariuo they'd have kept all of portuguese africa.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also to be completely fair the philipines had its own independence movement that first liked the americans and the stopped liking them when it became clear they wanted to stay.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        ... and then liked the Americans again when the Japanese showed up and treated the Filipinos that much worse.
        Also the Americans didn't ever really want to stay. There were some who liked fucking smol filipinas because, let's be honest, who doesn't, but mostly the climate didn't agree with us.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >carnation revolution not happened portugal would have at the very least kept their african islands
      Those islands had little utility because slave trading died off ages ago and plantations aren't that effective in a muhc more global world. Also they still weren't so keen on Portuguese rule.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much, Cape Verde had a long history of nationalism That had gone worse since ww2 (when the country suffered Bengal-tier famine) and was strongly linked to the Guinean PAIGC, it’d probably vote for independence the moment they are given the option

        São time was Niger-tier poor which still had large scale slavery in living memory, it probably could be kept if the locals get gibs and if xenophobia against migrants is player but it’d be a ressource sink, also it still had a small indepndentist movement.

        Timor would be worth keeping under protectorate status just to defend against Indonesia I guess tho

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Spain
    Literally just give the Colonies what they were asking for and grant them representation in the fucking Government and equality before the law regardless of race/land of birth. Its unimaginably stupid how easy it was for Spain to have kept all its colonies. From Mexico to Argentina, and all the way to the Philippines, the nationalists there started life as liberal activists demanding representation and equal laws between Spaniard, Colonist, and Native. Creoles and even natives saw themselves initially as loyal subjects of the Spanish crown and only asked to have some say in their governance and be treated as human beings.

    Except Spain still firmly believed in "muh purity of blood" and "muh Catholic absolutism" as if its stuck in the 1500s. So by continuously ignoring the demands of the colonials, all Spain left them with is revolution in order to seize representation & equality for themselves.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the nationalists there started life as liberal activists
      Only in a few places like Venezuela and Argentina. Latin American independence took different forms in different places. For example Argentina's hero San Martín had been a Spanish war hero during the Napoleonic invasion, who then decided to bring European liberalism to his home country. In Venezuela, it was the criollo upper class who tried independence and were beaten down by lower class militia, as the Venezuelan lower classes didn't want to be ruled by those people. They succeeded the second time thanks to Bolívar and especially Sucre. In Mexico, it was the opposite: the independence movement was a typical jacquerie - religious, conservative, rooted in the lower clases; they disliked the liberal direction that Spain was taking. Peru didn't want independence in the first place. And so on.
      >demanding representation and equal laws between Spaniard, Colonist,
      This applies to Argentina and Colombia, mostly.
      >and Native
      This has to be bait.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Idk mexico had a pretty liberal first constitution, we became a monarchy out of compromise because the royalists didn't really want to fight for a constitutional monarchy. It's weird.
        >and were beaten down by lower class militia,
        Please provide further reading on this, sounds interesting.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >a monarchy out of compromise
          The independence of Mexico is very fun to study
          >Fernando VII is couped by liberals
          >The leader of the royalist forces who had been destroying the rebellion switches sides because he didn't want the liberals in Spain removing his privileges (Iturbide)
          >He makes a deal with his former enemies to make a monarchy and put Fernando VII in the throne of an independent Mexico once he regains control (Plan de Iguala)
          >Fernando VII remains under control of the liberals, no european monarch accepts the mexican crown
          >Iturbide crowns himself emperor
          >Causes another civil war within his two year rule and is executed
          >all centroamerican provinces secede and create a united republic that will last 15 years

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Fernando VII
            Phew! What a terrible loss to the people of Mexico.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Please provide further reading on this, sounds interesting
          I wonder why José Tomás Boves isn't more popular on LULZ. If there is a historical instance of "kill whitey, hail Kara Boğa" it's him.

          >redneck from Asturias, Spain
          >gets sentenced to exile in Venezuela for smuggling
          >shtf in Venezuela as rich criollos declare the country independent from the Spanish king
          >Boves tries to join the rebellion but he's told to fuck off by separatist leaders because he's a poor redneck
          >Boves decides he's had enough of richfags and starts a war against them on his own
          >he swears allegiance to the royalist Spanish cause and starts forming a guerrilla of blacks, natives, slaves, homeless mestizos and other dregs of society
          >officially this is to keep Venezuela Spanish, unofficially it is textbook Marxist class warfare
          >which soon turns into racial warfare
          >Boves' militia keeps growing and growing to the slogan "Fight the white exploiters of indios and mestizos! Give the whites' lands to mestizos!" (even though he's a literal white guy from Northern Spain)
          >his force is estimated to have grown to 20000 landless guerrilleros
          >keep in mind this was 30 years before the Communist Manifesto and 60 years before the Paris Commune
          >Bolívar's predictable movements are no match for Boves' guerrilla, which keeps stomping Venezuelan separatists again and again
          >eventually it's him with his guerrilla who enter Caracas, singlehandedly ending Venezuela's first attempt at independence
          >Boves' guerrilla becomes the nightmare of all rich whites across Venezuela, who all support independence with few exceptions
          >Bolívar is famously forced to retreat in the so-called "Emigration to the East"
          >Boves eventually dies in a battle that he wins

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            kek
            spanish history is wild

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            another part of the colombian independence is the random scotsman who fought in that war using stolen valor and then scammed a bunch of brits into shipping themselves to the central american jungle and crashed the british economy. And he was going to do it again with the french, but he failed.
            His one real accomplishment is fighting his way out of a swamp while outnumbered and surrounded.
            But bruh, I didn't know there where so many examples of the lower class deciding to rise up and defend the king from the revolutionaries, and by many I mean at least 2.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This has to be bait.
        Not him, but the Philippine Reformist movement specifically asked for equal rights between Spaniards, Creoles, and Native Filipino inhabitants.

        >equality before the law regardless of race/land of birth
        They did
        Show any proof otherwise
        This has to be the most retarded post I've seen in a while
        [...]
        A very good post, every region had its interests and the mestizos/indios were the most loyal overall

        >They did. Show any proof otherwise

        The remaining colonies were not represented in the Cortes. Your turn.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Cortes were a 19th century liberal invention that was overturned everytime an absolutist came to rule
          and they did have representation in the cortes you dumbnut
          https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Diputados_de_las_Cortes_de_C%C3%A1diz
          They also had representation with Isabel II in her cortes and in all liberal cortes

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Cortes were a 19th century liberal invention
            And spain still had colonies at the time.

            >Cadiz Cortes.
            Irrelevant since that was dissolved by the "Traitor King", when the Cortes was reconvened after the Carlist Wars in the 1840s, the remaining colonies didn't have representation. The Ministry of the Colonies didn't count, they didn't have a seat in it. Otherwise the Filipino Liberals wouldn't have chimped out if it was the case.

            Its also worth noting that the "Filipinos" who went to 1811 were Creole Settlers. The liberal movement in the Philippines in the 1850s onwards consisted of Creoles & Educated Mestizos & Native Elites, who besides crusading for representation also fought for equal rights between the races in the Philippines.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >equality before the law regardless of race/land of birth
      They did
      Show any proof otherwise
      This has to be the most retarded post I've seen in a while

      >the nationalists there started life as liberal activists
      Only in a few places like Venezuela and Argentina. Latin American independence took different forms in different places. For example Argentina's hero San Martín had been a Spanish war hero during the Napoleonic invasion, who then decided to bring European liberalism to his home country. In Venezuela, it was the criollo upper class who tried independence and were beaten down by lower class militia, as the Venezuelan lower classes didn't want to be ruled by those people. They succeeded the second time thanks to Bolívar and especially Sucre. In Mexico, it was the opposite: the independence movement was a typical jacquerie - religious, conservative, rooted in the lower clases; they disliked the liberal direction that Spain was taking. Peru didn't want independence in the first place. And so on.
      >demanding representation and equal laws between Spaniard, Colonist,
      This applies to Argentina and Colombia, mostly.
      >and Native
      This has to be bait.

      A very good post, every region had its interests and the mestizos/indios were the most loyal overall

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They did
        >Show any proof otherwise
        A fuckton of people lied and altered their paperwork or identification to get better status or avoid worse ones. There was a time where being "Black" was more beneficial to you then being Native.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    the spanish colonies in central and south america were in areas that already had native urban civilizations with massive populations, whereas the french and british settled regions with relatively few indians. thus the spanish already had a majority non-spanish population living in the colony while quebec and the 13 colonies retained distinctly french and british identities respectively

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Been more like the British. Stamp out the slave trade, banditry, suppress tribal quarrels, develop the economy and provide good governance working with local elites.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yet that did not really happen at all in British territories lmao.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you believe that?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Spanish did all of that decades, if not centuries, before the British
      Open a book, or even just use google, retard

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        To the extent that the British did? Nope. English settlers to North America set out to not emulate Spanish conquerors.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      To the extent that the British did? Nope. English settlers to North America set out to not emulate Spanish conquerors.

      >Stamp out the slave trade
      Slavery of natives illegal since 1512 (321 years before the english)
      Slavery of any kind illegal since 1817 (16 years before the english)
      >banditry
      Spanish imperial America was probably safer than mainland Spain and England at the time, with the exception of the northernmost and southernmost
      border areas.
      >suppress tribal quarrels
      Name a single war in Spanish imperial America that began due to "tribal quarrels". You sound like youre just making shit up.
      >develop the economy and provide good governance working with local elites
      -actually incorporates natives into the elite class instead of genociding them
      -builds nearly 4 times the amount of universities and cities compared to english colonies
      -imperial provinces so wealthy at the time that Spanish population actually declined from the amount of emigration that occurred.
      -picrel

      Be honest, you have no fucking idea what youre talking about.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        forgot picrel

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >All those sites in mexico
          Ah what it is to be the favourite colony.
          Well I'm not100% sure which viceroyalty was favourite, butthe most developed was probably mexico. Because of the silver I assume.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was named Nueva España for a reason

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Because it was the first big "virgin" landmass they got to?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          would love to know this for Portugal, since i know we have plenty, but far more spread out

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          UNESCO sites are all about doing paper work and filing it. If many poorer countries had the time and money to spam applications to promote tourism.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ah yes, the irreparably poor english colonies of.... the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and India....

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    canada had it so easy man, much short lived colony by the time the whole independence movement happened. another reason they were much more attached to their home country than the iberians is that there was very little race mixing, so not only as a colony it still remembered what it was like to be british, the individual citizens also remembered that their direct ancestors not long ago were british

    also british empire was on the high point, it had not been bleeding to death almost for centuries like spain

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    modernize

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    They were loyal for 330 years, many more years than English, French and others Empire. Considering that they were far away, it isa lot of time

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Genocide the native population, replace them with their own people and be anglos with a culture that lends itself to high trust societues and prosperity rather than medshitter barbarism.

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