What are the possible path for a guenonian ? Did some traditionalist writer visibly succeed in a spiritual path ?

What are the possible path for a guenonian ? Did some traditionalist writer visibly succeed in a spiritual path ? Did some gave advice to young people about it ?

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The possible path for a Guenonian is to realize that they have been tricked into following a loveless view of spirituality.

    And then realize that Space Taoism is the future of spirituality.

    https://old.reddit.com/r/NarrativeDynamics/comments/13bzqha/aho_mitakuye_oyasin_all_my_relations/

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >reddit
      opinion discarded

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I get all my information from IQfy.
        >I don't realize how useful small subreddits away from the main page are for long format discussion.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >reddit
      >Space Taoism
      Just imagine a basedjak

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I actually read some of your posts that analogy with the donut and perspectives was an enjoyable visualization, and also the writing essentially communicating the principle of the interdependence of all things, I have come to appreciate devotional writings about "gratitude" and overpowering the sentimental evilness superimposed upon nature, especially if you were like me as a kid and scared of the dark, scared of alieness and otherness, fearlessness is really the same as immortality in the truest sense, coming seeing everything like an illusion will give you that "fearlessness" as well
      Appreciating the beauty in everything in the all, the unity in multiplicity, if one can truly enter into this apprehension they have entered the "primordial state" but anyway as with the subject of the thread, according to Guénon the state of "primordial man" which is likened to Adam who is in a pure edenic paradise now, is different to the state of the "universal man," the former is the liberated human (which encompasses subhuman degrees) state, and the latter is said to be "higher" and encompasses human and all non-human states (which includes all superhuman degrees)

      The primordial man is apparently the object of religion, and related to the restoration of man to an an original purity (in which he truly sees no evil) related to salvation, and is related to the various salvific eschatological approaches

      Whereas according to Guénon the universal man is something different, his consciousness is (nondual) beyond good and evil, and likewise has no purity about it, that is what he calls deliverance

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The deliverance is something different, because he claims it passes beyond the innate purity-beauty or love of phenomena or multiplicity and rather is just an infinite possibility

        How I see it is that one would typically pass through the stage of the primordial man on the way to the universal man

        Also from my observation primordial-man-attainment methods are sexual, whereas universal-man-attainment methods are not at all

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Guénon était un pédé de merde. Il a abandonné l'Occident pour chercher Dieu parmi des bougnoles et n'a trouvé rien que du sable et des arabes de l'intelligence d'un cafard

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. Stop reading this faux-Sufi snail snapper's prodigiously diarrheal bellywash.
    2. Read Spengler.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Spengler doesn’t have any praxis that can be applied either. He approaches everything from the lens of a historian and frankly, a modernist and techno-optimist. Someone who who is more spiritually inclined or simply can’t take the optimistic view that Spengler takes, won’t find any valuable praxis in his books.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Guenon thought it was important to be initiated into a traditional religion, which is what most Guenonian writers did.

    There are several Guenonian writers who became Sufi Muslims and also several who remained Christian. Some Muslim Guenonians try to imply that Hinduism is off bounds but Guenon himself never went so far as to claim this and some Hindu schools accept western people as initiates.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are there any form the Traditionalist school that went Catholic ?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Are there any form the Traditionalist school that went Catholic ?
        Yes, Jean Borella is the most prominent afaik, I think he was Catholic even before reading Guenon though and he stayed Catholic afterwards.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Rama Coomaraswamy converted to Catholicism.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn’t Guénon a bishop of some Neo Gnostic church?

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Haven't posted for a while.
    Let me write my path since discovering Guénon, it has been tough but I have gone all the way and am starting to see the light

    Went from
    guénon -> vajrayana buddhism (by extension tantra), this included learning about and engaging in a "tantric empowerment," and of course familiarization with tantric scriptures, Buddhist texts, for this I settled with kagyu mahamudra texts, songs of realization (which explained the extra normal experience induced specifically by the FOUR EMPOWERMENTS) this activity induced a state in which I became objectlessly ecstatic, it was as if I had unveiled an unearthly pure bliss which arose by the intuition of a non-discursive objectless pre-reflective awareness, the background vibrations, pulsations of REALITY which I wholly merged with, sitting, standing, lying down-> after this acquisition of experience I became cognizant of the internal architure of the mind in a way which books only theoretically speculate about -> this force an "unearthly bliss" which I engulfed my body like a fire in which I literally felt no usual distinct outer ordinary sensation, this "power" characterized by a fierce pulsation corporealized and I merged with it in this unceasing state of non-discursive awareness -> now then, what did I notice? my sleep changed, I began being aware of blips in consciousness as I transitioned into "sleep" as I slept my body became extremely radioactive as I approached sleep the vibrations became heavier and heavier to the point of an airy bodilessness -> at first I started learning and reading about texts and experientially understanding the talk about latent energy in the body utilized for liberative purposes, it's like a key had opened and with it an extra normal faculty, a new world had opened, I was able to understand esoteric commentaries on the sleeping process and so on ->
    Following this I got into dzogchen (posted a bit about it on this board last year) and following this I returned to Advaita (even though I am still a conisseur of Aphrodite(beauty-soul-yogini) ) tantra if you are really of the right fit for it will also open up the enneads and neoplatonism in an initiatic way as they are essentially tantric, but that is another topic all together, these experiences will serve as keys ->

    Anyway now recently what I have done is immerse myself in Psychadelics - psilocybin specifically, and I have been able to contextualize experiences of the "unconscious" with these experiments, watch something like enter the void - personally it is great, I unironically recommend Psychadelics
    As opposed to muh tradition route - let me explain

    There is infact an "unconscious" of sorts related to the repressed trauma of "birth" and say childhood abuse- these things cause neuroses... Now Psychadelics with a high enough dose will literally expose it all and it will be shocking but you can confront it if you haven't already with Leary's commentary on tibetan book of the dead

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Some more advice: do not fricking understimate Psychadelics even if you have "le meditation" experience
      You may surprised to hear me say this as I claim to come from reading Guénon, but say you combine LSD and psilocybin, with a dilligent reading of Allan Watts, and maybe some prior mental ascesis you could quite literally end up a liberated sage or a schizophrenic (if you go deep enough and the "unconscious" imagined emptiness and isolation scares the frick out of you)

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There is infact an "unconscious" of sorts related to the repressed trauma of "birth" and say childhood abuse- these things cause neuroses
      These things are all directly related to the subhuman infernal realm - or symbolical states, think about reports of bad trips and the like,
      These experiences infact to give a taste of subhuman demonic states

      Infact to become "demonized" or to join with the infernal entities of these states, is very possible, the reason why anyone would do this on purpose, is because these subhuman states can be desirable because they are infact by some gross distortion potentially pleasurable.
      It is also possible to liberate the infernal realms so there is nothing to be scared of

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Traditionalism helped me find Orthodox Christianity. I’ve never converted and consider myself a non-denominational Christian, but I’ve been informed by Orthodox theology a lot and that’s been very beneficial for me.

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