he’s not even really a chinlet it just looks so cause of how fat he is.
but yes his cuffs are too high, the accessories are too many and not go together so no go. the boots are also not doin it for me and his jacket is a size too small.
you can never go wrong with raws and a white tee if you’re not fat, converse on bottom for a youthful look or a captoe 6 inch lace up. tees or button ups of almost any style, or in the summertime go cliff booth stlye with moccasins and a hawaiian shirt or slightly different shade denim jacket. this leather jacket look could work and evern for his body type but the fit is way off and makes his big head look bigger.
The boots rolled up like that are a thing that the Rockers in England used to do and it’s so the bottom of your jeans don’t burn or get caught when you’re riding your motorbike
did someone shop his head bigger / body smaller? It seems incongruent that his face is so fat but his body doesn’t seem to match the scale of things. How totally crammed is he in those jeans?
>two colors >too new >sunglasses >leather boots+leather jacket >tucked in shirt but not fit >wears raw denim, mostly sits, no proper fade >jeans are too wide >hair
I dunno most of these fits look bad because they’re try hard.
It really bothers me that his leather wallet clip thing is a different color leather than his boots and belt. The hardware on boots and belt are different too.
lmao at that small dick fade
this guy is an absolute idiot if you actually watch his videos
almost vintage style on youtube
super annoying inflection, know-it-all attitude, very bizzare american mongrel trying to emulate the japanese at emulating american heritage work and casualwear, americanized amekaji
he is autisticly obsessed with stitching to the point of absurdity
the most important criteria for the best boots and best leather jackets according to him is stitches per inch and evenness of stitching
dude absolutely creams himself over whitekloud, because they roll their own proprietary thread and wax it with their own proprietary wax blend
So, what’s the takeaway? Get a couple retro pieces but mix them in with classic timeless current pieces.
I don’t want to be too harsh as the guy could be likeable except he is very annoying and opinionated. He has a weird Japanese fetish and bias. He definitely fires shots at various countries, companies and fits. Even many of the retro Amerikaji community take issue with his elitist take where everything is more about how rare and expensive items are, purely for its own sake.
Overall, the problem is that he is doing ALL of it. Every square inch is too precious. At the same time he isn’t actually doing any of it. He isn’t riding a motorcycle or mining coal. None of it is actually authentic because it is obsessed with authenticity without context or application.
It doesn’t seem like he has enough faith in any single item to incorporate it into "regular" clothing. It is like he has gotten trapped and suffocated in a costume.
It also looks like the entire style is an attempt to use proportions to hide what is underneath. The heels are because he is short, the high waisted pants because he is fat and the random accessories because it’s just more and more stuff to hide under.
>He has a weird Japanese fetish and bias. He definitely fires shots at various countries, companies and fits.
yeah
watched his jacket guide
shits on everything that isn’t an ultra short japanese repro A-2 or J-24 moto jacket, because that is the style he likes
claims they are the best and says he’s an authority on japanese brands
says british brands are garbage
pic, his newest "winter" jacket, no joke says it could be even shorter
>It is like he has gotten trapped and suffocated in a costume.
exactly, it’s larp gear
it’s funny when he tries to act like an expert, when he looks like a clown in all his pictures
most people that look for jackets don’t want this repro shit, because it’s too hecking short and not versatile
what he won’t tell you is that you have to buy high rise pants up to your belly button to wear something that short
Announcing to experts, enthusiasts and the world at large that these 2 pair of boots, you happen to own, are the very best in the entire world.
The cherry red clown boots on the left are so glam that even Bowie at the height of his Ziggy Stardust phase would have found them a tad too much. The toe box doesn’t fit. The immaculate oversized gloss soles show they aren’t even being worn, unless only to the bowling alley.
Then there’s the engineer boots. Multiple pair of once-in-a-lifetime outlive-you engineer boots. Why you have multiple pair!!!
I’m a normal guy. I want some quality stylish adult footwear. The YouTube / Bloggers reviewing this style of gear are so astronomically autistic it gives me a panic attack. There’s this Almost Vintage creep, a guy that has established himself as an expert by sawing boots in half, some guy that looks like Chunk from The Goonies with 300 pair of boots and then an Australian guy.
Quality, authenticity and exclusivity can’t make up for lack of fit and style.
Almost Vintage Style is absolutely cringe and an annoying elitist larper. To be fair though Carl Murawski’s (assuming thats who you’re referring to) job for his YT channel is to review clothing, hence why he has like 300 pairs of boots. He does a decent job at balancing the higher budget men’s wear and giving you honest opinions on whether a piece of clothing is shitty or overpriced. For example, he recently did a review for a bunch of flannels for 2023 and made sure to cover Iron Heart’s ultra heavy flannel. As someone who owns a few of these, he literally could not be any more honest than he was. Said they were seriously awesome flannels, but horrendously overpriced. The same could be said for his review of the John Lofgren engineer boots. A gorgeous boot with an arguably perfect toe profile and immaculate detail with stitching, but seems to have issues with sizing and ultimately being able to get your foot past the pass through of the boot shaft. As for your dilemma, do your research on certain boots that appeal to you in terms of it’s appearance and whether it would reasonably be able to blend well with most outfits, and then look into whether those boots have legitimately good construction quality such as its welt construction (double stitch down or goodyear welt at a minimum), quality of leather, and stitching on the uppers (double to triple stitching at a minimum).
murawski is the biggest poser in existance
there is no other guy that wants to be blue-collar as desperate as he
he changed his story on what job he does like 3-4 times
this whole fake persona is pathetic larping
besides he is absolutely not objective, he takes sponsorship money from the brands he recommends
he has this demented obsession with "made in the usa", to the point where he will always have to denegrate white’s boots, made 100% in spokane washington btw, just because they are owned by a japanese conglomerate >why would you buy them, part of your money doesn’t stay in the usa and goes to the greedy japanese, trying to cut corners on construction wherever they can >dude just buy nicks instead, bro, you definitely don’t pay an upcharge for their absolutely predatory viral marketing budget, that indirectly goes to me, because i get sponsored by them constantly, like every boot tuber in existance, not really going to disclose that when i recommend their boots in every video btw
Anonymous says:
Whites are made in China, occasionally assembled in the US, but usually just boxed.
Don’t ask me how I know that.
Anonymous says:
What isn’t by that definition?
Anonymous says:
Sorry stupid, but just because you say something doesn’t make it true. For be stupid somewhere else boy.
Anonymous says:
But would you otherwise listen to an average young adult consumer talk into a camera for 5-10 minutes without the additional production set up. Clearly he would lack the inventory and experience, but could make it up with a few jokes and being authentic.
Anonymous says:
YouTube influencers that happen to be in any particular niche do not have more to offer than the talking points of their standard script which is largely based on the product spec sheets and based on the brief amount of time spent with this week’s product.
It is consumer content for consumers that will watch, consume, and repeat.
The real savings from buying well is not buying again.
* actual "workmen" don’t care what you wear
* nobody really cares what actual "workmen" think or wear or think about what others wear
* nobody is LARPing as a current day worker
* electric guitar in 2023 is several generations of compounded LARP
* caring about diminishing returns is so middle-class that is LARPing at being middle-class
* Japanese rockabilly is so uncool and LARP that it is actually cool
* chain stitching is the most overrated aspect of denim culture
* APC aren’t trying to be vintage work wear so stop trolling as if they are
* Viberg made dress work boots cool
* riding a real motorcycle is the pits
* N&F also make their Elephant jeans and other novelties because they are a fun company run by cool ppl
* this guy looks ridiculous
>*
https://i.imgur.com/2DApSB9.jpg
What are some /fashion/-approved raw denim fits? (OP) this guy looks ridiculous
Anonymous says:
Only whyte incels wear these
Muhh.. muhh class
Anonymous says:
Lol is this what you come up with in your head? They are legit nice boots, simple as
Anonymous says:
>What are some /fashion/-approved raw denim fits?
These just plain do not fit the guy.
I don’t think this guy in the photo knows how clothing works.
https://i.imgur.com/fafTGut.jpg
That’s another stupid element of it. They keep going on about "quality" and "lifetime boots" but just keep consooming and never even break in these boots they speak so highly of. Yet act like other shoes and boots are a waste because they act like they fall apart in a few wears.
They just claim somehting is higher quality because price and others online said so when my work boots that are a fraction of the cost have taken way more of a beating for years, never have been "resoled" and barely any care besides this oiling was given yet are still alive and well. These clowns will probably pay hundreds for my boots just to LARP as having rough worn in boots
I like this point about reality vs fantasy but what if you had some really cool boots to start with.
https://i.imgur.com/iC9rCI1.jpg
>What are some /fashion/-approved raw denim fits?
– quality denim
– normal adult casual outfit
– not excessively worn or "smelly" looking denim
– face must look more beat than denim knees
– look like you drive a Tesla not a locomotive
– belt should not be prominent part of fit
– belt should not have visible clips, chains or can-openers
– never never cuff to show more of footwear or ankle
– clothes must look function, like for real
– look like you can throw a punch without crying
– don’t wear winter coat in California during Fall
– clothes should fit your real life, not your fantasies
I like that he doesn’t look overly styled but has a cohesive look.
he reminds me of the ysl wokstar. they’re both turbo manlets trying to copy other people’s fits that were meant to play on proportions, over a foot shorter.
I never understood how asians have small child like bodies and fat un proportionate bulldog looking heads. It baffles me that this breed of human actually exist. It was like a genetic mistake that continued to live (and thrive) for thousands of years. Its amazing
Other than this guy being a total SEA manlet, I think this fit is pretty sick. It would certainly be hard to pull off with any regular person, but that faded wabash shirt is hecking awesome. This guy definitely put in a lot of time wearing that thing in since wabash is known for being stubborn to fade
I have the same one and as long as you give it an initial soak/wash, the amount of bleed is pretty minimal. This particular fabric takes a long time to fade, hence the shirt doesn’t really bleed much. You can find one here:
https://www.ironheart.co.uk/tops/ihsh-62-ind.html
Thanks. So you’re supposed to wash it when you get it, cold or warm, soap or no soap?
Anonymous says:
Nta but raw denim I usually soak in bucket or the bath for an hour or so before first wear, cold if the sizing is good but hot if you sized up
Anonymous says:
Nta but raw denim I usually soak in bucket or the bath for an hour or so before first wear, cold if the sizing is good but hot if you sized up
Generally soaking/washing warm will cause slight shrinkage initially. I generally like to use detergent when I do an initial cold quick wash because I have no clue if there are weird preservative chemicals in the fabric
Anonymous says:
Is Bronson mfg Co a good brand for these wabash shirts?
Some people give them shit for being a Chinese brand, while I’m not exactly happy about that either I have four pairs of pants from bronson including jeans and everything is very sturdy.
Not sure, but I just googled them and see that they have double to triple stitching, leading me to think that they likely would never fall apart. The main differences I see between that and Iron Heart Wabash is that the IH is slightly heavier weight raw denim with western cuts and button snaps, whereas the Bronson shirt looks like its already been washed a few times. If you want maximum fade potential and prefer the western look, IH is more your cup of tea. If you don’t want really heavy weight material, the Bronson should be good
I have a vest and their corduroy hunting jacket and it is really good quality for the money. I’m right at the upper end of their sizing so a lot of their stuff won’t even fit my shoulders but the jacket is just right.
My Chunk reference was to Aerosurfer. It was harsh though as he seems like a genuine enthusiast and a very nice man. Carl Murawski is definitely in the gear review business but at least he doesn’t seem like a creepy dweeb. Neither Aerosurfer or Carl do really but they are both bald as heck, so whatever.
I guess I’ve become jaded with all the endless semi-pro reviewers on all topics because it always becomes more about the next new thing instead of just buying a few items and enjoying them for years.
So what do we really care and how does any of this relate to /fashion/shion? There’s a point somewhere around Truman, White’s and Viberg where you not only start to get diminishing returns but you are also going too far down the rabbit hole. Like instead of getting a nice Rolex you buy 4 vintage Pateks while living in your parents’ basement and dressing like 2023’s Hugh Hefner. Actually, that sounds dope.
So I guess my point is that (YOU) make the gear! The gear won’t make you. That guy is a cautionary tale for sure because if he just dialed it back like 1000 he could be a normal bro that just happens to like engineer boots or vintage leather jackets. Instead, he looks like he has a vinyl collection and makes his own artisinal pomade, for dogs.
Purple brand used go be cool. Though not anymore. They fell off like balenciaga. Im probably going to start buying bathing ape jeans but i havent been into fashion for a while. Ksubis were also cool but their out now like true religion which has been out for like a decade.
i feel like that is the case for most of these super duper custom asian shoemaker collectors
you hear all these glowing recommendations and raving first impression reviews and when you actually try to search a worn pair to see if they hold up, there is absolutely nothing to find
these idiots with 50+ boot collections need their new fix, spend like $1-2k on them and then only pose for photos in them
for one because there is literally no time to wear all these boots and second more importantly the whole appeal of these shoemakers is the ultra pedantic finishing that they paid out the ass for and can’t stomach to ruin
i don’t get the point of mirror shined welt edges and giant polished logger heel stacks, when that is the part that gets chewed up instantly even with very conservative wear
I got into vintage gear to learn about jeans and boots to know what features made one better than the next. I wanted a step up from what was at the mall but found fashion brands mostly poor quality and inconsistent.
picrel – A well worn pair of boots was the goal 10 years ago. Bloggers were definitely deliberately wearing in their gear for photos though. That was a complaint of the scene back then.
As for approved denim fits imho the variety of choice available now gives you the chance to actually find the fit you’re looking for in a design that looks just a little better made than what is found at the mall. Naked & Famous (not their crazy limited releases) as well as APC are reliable and can clearly get you where you want to be. They are regarded as entry level but are miles better than the average and more sensible than what OP’s pic would recommend.
>A well worn pair of boots was the goal 10 years ago
I feel like that’s still the goal with boot and denim enthusiasts. A well worn pair of selvedge and leather boots universally looks way better than when they’re new.
But yeah I agree with most of your points. The accessibility to higher end denim nowadays is really nice, but there exists that point of diminishing returns once your reach brands like Iron Heart or God forbid if you start getting interested in high end leather jackets. Like, Iron Heart is undoubtedly top notch build quality, but even they are perceivably overpriced especially considering the fact that they sell a flannel for $350
>iron hearts >overpriced
luckily i’ll be in tokyo next month so i won’t feel guilty about buying a pair of jeans at japanese retail.
not sure about what else i should be on the lookout for while i’m there though. any recommendations? not necessarily denim.
Anonymous says:
Maybe check out some boot makers. Not sure if the prices for John lofgrens are lower in Japan, but I have their engineers and can attest that they are very top notch. If you’re into leather jackets, check out Y’2 leather
Anonymous says:
That’s another stupid element of it. They keep going on about "quality" and "lifetime boots" but just keep consooming and never even break in these boots they speak so highly of. Yet act like other shoes and boots are a waste because they act like they fall apart in a few wears.
They just claim somehting is higher quality because price and others online said so when my work boots that are a fraction of the cost have taken way more of a beating for years, never have been "resoled" and barely any care besides this oiling was given yet are still alive and well. These clowns will probably pay hundreds for my boots just to LARP as having rough worn in boots
They do look pretty cool, but I wouldn’t pay $1 for them because I don’t want someone to think I’m Australian strewth crikey good on ya put the sheila on the barby kangaroo
They don’t even look good
Eyelets spaced too far apart
Way too much toe spring
No pull tab
No binding between the lining and the upper
Massive shelf on the heel stack
Forget the color, these aren’t even very good boots
Just don’t go for go for gimmicky brands or weights like naked and famous and those 18oz, 21oz weights that have way too many options and memes and weird combinations.
Jeans are meant to be just friggen jeans
Don’t go for jeans with back pockets that point downwards (like a lot of these newer modern gimmicky brands have, they sit on your ass weird). Get ones that point diagnolly outwards.
Basically only get brands that are based off the Levi 501. Eg. Get stuff like TCB, Sugar Cane, APC, Levi’s/LVC
Get them used if you can, will always be a fraction of the price. Tbh those are the only brands I would get
Yeah, I love getting raw denim for how it wears in, but a brand new pair looks really silly. I have a home gym and will actually wear my new raws whenever I do squats or deadlifts in order to speed the fading process.
1. go to a Home Depot and give the new pair of jeans to a Mexican
2. tell him to wear it every day to work and never wash it and bring it to your house in 3 months and you’ll pay him
3. after 3 months give him money and take your worn in pair of jeans
4. masturbate while smelling the sweaty fart infused crotch
Congrats, you have an /fashion/ approved pair of jeans
haha one of the really big names in denim importing i won’t name used to use me like that to fade shit for his blog & forum posts back when i was doing construction. good times. if i ever get back on coke and lose 20lbs ill have the sickest fades you’ve ever seen.
https://i.imgur.com/kVuH99e.png
real fighter pilots were never that fat because the planes wouldn’t be able to take off
i had a roommate who looked+dressed like this at the same time who recorded a pop album about being a power bottom, it was pretty fire but i can’t find it online.
Just don’t go for go for gimmicky brands or weights like naked and famous and those 18oz, 21oz weights that have way too many options and memes and weird combinations.
Jeans are meant to be just friggen jeans
Don’t go for jeans with back pockets that point downwards (like a lot of these newer modern gimmicky brands have, they sit on your ass weird). Get ones that point diagnolly outwards.
Basically only get brands that are based off the Levi 501. Eg. Get stuff like TCB, Sugar Cane, APC, Levi’s/LVC
Get them used if you can, will always be a fraction of the price. Tbh those are the only brands I would get
Everything else is gimmicky
ya agree. good post.
u dont have to spend a lot for a great pair of jeans, after a certain point it becomes less about quality and more about spergy shit or historical accuracy like old construction details that are harder to manufacture and fade a bit cooler but are if anything functionally worse than what you’d find on entry level stuff or even walmart jeans. example: hidden rivets vs tacked back pockets.
just untucked vs tucked shit
siri how tall is a professional model?
https://i.imgur.com/yBDzAmK.jpg
These have never actually been worn. They are literally only for photos.
1. go to a Home Depot and give the new pair of jeans to a Mexican
2. tell him to wear it every day to work and never wash it and bring it to your house in 3 months and you’ll pay him
3. after 3 months give him money and take your worn in pair of jeans
4. masturbate while smelling the sweaty fart infused crotch
Congrats, you have an /fashion/ approved pair of jeans
Cuckoldry.
Anonymous says:
>more about spergy shit or historical accuracy like old construction details that are harder to manufacture and fade a bit cooler but are if anything functionally worse than what you’d find on entry level stuff or even walmart jeans. example: hidden rivets vs tacked back pockets.
That’s the funny thing about it. If no one on the internet told them about it, they wouldn’t care or notice that shit.
Heck stuff like "leg twist" would be something they would autistically hate naturally because things wouldn’t be symetrical but because internet told them "lol it’s a feature, it’s how it was back then" they suddenly sperg out and love it.
Even with shit like rivets, then suddenly the later model LVC jeans come out and suddenly back pockets with not rivets is heavily desired cos it won’t scratch furniture when it wears through the pocket.
All that artisan shit of Japs hand dying crap and doing all that stupid shit to justify $500 jeans is all in their head and are paying mostly for the sense of exclusivity. Then when you point it out on Reddit they get mad at you and downvote you for it lol
These are the same ppl who act like spending $500 on jeans is better because cheap jeans are "low quality" that will fall apart in a few washes but then either never even get to the point of having well broken in jeans because they’ve consumed 5+ other pairs of $300+ jeans during that time. Spending way more they ever would have on a lifetime of $30 jeans which last just as long, cos they’re literally just hecking jeans.
That’s why i said, if you want to get into raw jeans, there’s nothing wrong with that. But going beyond the more basic Levi inspired jap brands like TCB and sugar cane is kind of stupid
Anonymous says:
>if you want to get into raw jeans, there’s nothing wrong with that. But going beyond the more basic Levi inspired jap brands like TCB and sugar cane is kind of stupid
Depends on what you’re actually getting. If you’re buying over 21 oz japanese selvedge, its worth the money imo. Objectively these types of denim are more durable than anything else you can buy and will have really good stitching, and the natural indigo dye thats used will form much more beautiful shades of blue than the dyes that a cheaper pair of denim will. There’s definitely something to be said about out of shape office job gays having a bunch of pairs of jeans that are $400+, but I really do not see anything wrong with buying one pair of really great 21-25 oz from companies like Iron Heart or Samurai. I mean, you are undoubtedly getting the best of the best when you buy this
Anonymous says:
If N&F actually ever release their 40 oz denim that would be pretty funny to get. I guess if you ride motorcycles it would be worth it.
Anonymous says:
Yeah, I can imagine the only reason you would get something that thick is if you legitimately need it for protection against road rash in case you crash your motorcycle, but that’s it. Trade workers wouldn’t even go that heavy I don’t think since part of manual labor is being able to have some ease of movement and flexibility, and that shit would be miserable to wear while working in the summer.
Anonymous says:
Can’t even imagine wearing something twice as thick as Elephant series jeans.
Yeah, I can imagine the only reason you would get something that thick is if you legitimately need it for protection against road rash in case you crash your motorcycle, but that’s it. Trade workers wouldn’t even go that heavy I don’t think since part of manual labor is being able to have some ease of movement and flexibility, and that shit would be miserable to wear while working in the summer.
>Yeah, I can imagine the only reason you would get something that thick is if you legitimately need it for protection against road rash in case you crash your motorcycle
That’s a lot of money to leave it all over the road
Anonymous says:
>If you’re buying over 21 oz japanese selvedge
Aka. LARPing.
Anonymous says:
This is such a gay argument. Where do you draw the line between larp and not larp? 19 oz? 17 oz? Why stop there? Are flannels larp too? Is canvas material in general larp? Also, what does heavy oz denim have to do with larp? People like it because it feels better to wear and fades better than lighter weight denim
Anonymous says:
>Where do you draw the line between larp and not larp? >People like it because it … fades better than lighter weight denim
(You) answering your own question
At least now there are more fit options and better quality denim for the money. If you go turbo larp beyond that it is on (You)
Anonymous says:
This does not make any sense. It’s larp because of the preference for better fades? Vibrant fades objectively look good. This does not mean that someone is larping as a tradesman. Also, >Shilling for APC this hard
Anonymous says:
Workwear/raw denim/boot fetishism is all god damn LARP. You ever work around real blue collar men? They just buy cheap shit and replace it once it gets too hecked up. No one is dropping more than $50 for a pair of work jeans that will become unwearable in three months anyway. If you like nice jeans just buy them and enjoy them for what they are.
Anonymous says:
I am in fact an earthwork contractor and can confirm that other than your work boots, your work outfit is indeed relatively inexpensive. That being said, I like having really high end clothes with a high durability/functionality outside of work for the purpose of casual wear. All of the dudes calling this stuff larp are only half-correct and honestly just hecking cringe sometimes, as they fail to recognize that there are indeed some dudes who work a skilled trades that ALSO see the value in having high-quality clothes for home use. Its also cringe to see other tradesman who beat their chests in the blue collar olympics and poo-poo on any other tradesman for owning higher end clothes for casual wear, often resorting to the conclusion that if you wear anything other than your work duds, you’re a gay. All in all, its just cringe to see stupids on /fashion/ who are very likely just limp-wristed urbanites posture themselves as though they indeed have eArNeD tHe vALoR to be able to broadly categorize high end americana and workwear as just larp and gatekeep the ever-living heck out of it.
Anonymous says:
Why are you guys always talking about "muh real blue collar men"? Are you gay? 99% of people wearing jeans are not pretending to be 1890s miners. I certainly don’t give a heck what the tradesman on the street thinks of my jeans.
Do you also assume that anyone wearing a polo shirt is LARPing as a tennis player? Is anyone in a rugby shirt LARPing as a rugby player?
Anonymous says:
some guy in another thread made the observation that everyone calling workwear fashion a larp are the guys that get called larpers because they want to wear anime or terrorist/military costumes, it’s just sour grapes
Anonymous says:
Its also the massive hysteria that has been passed around on this board about workwear being completely larp. The reactivity to it all is so absurd that there is literally no other fashion that people gatekeep as hard as workwear and americana. Yeah, I’m sure that some of those guys are just sour neofolk gays, but a lot of the gatekeepers to workwear in reality are likely just urbanite/suburbanite gays who somehow are acting as if they know about blue collar life or what goes through the heads of actual blue collar dudes.
Anonymous says:
some guy in another thread made the observation that everyone calling workwear fashion a larp are the guys that get called larpers because they want to wear anime or terrorist/military costumes, it’s just sour grapes
Its also the massive hysteria that has been passed around on this board about workwear being completely larp. The reactivity to it all is so absurd that there is literally no other fashion that people gatekeep as hard as workwear and americana. Yeah, I’m sure that some of those guys are just sour neofolk gays, but a lot of the gatekeepers to workwear in reality are likely just urbanite/suburbanite gays who somehow are acting as if they know about blue collar life or what goes through the heads of actual blue collar dudes.
Fashion has always had a larping component to it, from the very begining. Without that, it’s just fabrics you use to not freeze.
Nobody with half a brain would think that somebody on a flannel, jeans and boots is necessarily a tradesman. And only schizos on fashion boards think that somebody with said fit is pretending to be a tradesman.
Anonymous says:
/thread
This website is filled with social stupids that come up with ridiculous notions in their head that at the end of the day would never even consider walking up to someone and calling them a blue collar larper for simply wearing jeans, flannels and boots. I really do not think that selvedge dorks are legitimately trying to posture as tradesman. They simply just like denim for how it looks and feels. And yes, some of these guys spend a ridiculous amount of money on clothes. The funny thing though is that literally nobody on here bats an eye if someone spends thousands of dollars on a business suit and oxfords, or on some other luxury fashion trend. At least when someone spends thousands of dollars on a workwear/americana outfit, they are getting something that has a very large amount of durability/functionality.
Anonymous says:
The argument that a 350 dollar pair of jeans is "more worth" than cheaper jeans is probably not true. You can buy 4-5 pair of cheap Levis and rotate through them and they will last a hell of a lot longer together vs the pair of raws you’d wear everyday.
I still think it’s worth it for the feeling of quality and craftsmanship, knowing where they’re from and not supporting fast fashion. And if you can’t spend 300 dollars on jeans every two years you are a massive heck up.
For me its orslow 105 btw (not raw just selvedge ig)
Anonymous says:
>I still think it’s worth it for the feeling of quality and craftsmanship, knowing where they’re from and not supporting fast fashion
So in other words, it’s all in their heads and imagination and the feeling of exclusivity.
Like C’mon. How much "craftsmanship" goes into jeans that they know the difference besides what someone else on the internet told them. It’s not something they actively experience.
What’s the biggest "craftsmanship" that they fawn over? Using old fashion looms as opposed to modern efficient ones which they don’t even notice. Chain stitching at the hem? Lol something that is already in a lot of cheap normal jeans (but surprisingly not on the more "expensive" entry level raw jeans like APC)
Like fr fr. Why can’t they just admit they just have extra money to blow, which feels good to spend and want that sense of exclusivity instead of coming up with some strange story or justification on why their jeans cost $400 as opposed to $40 where the "features" definitely arent worth the price difference. Like I said, there’s nothing wrong with dropping $500 on a pair of jeans if that’s what you like, but drop the nonsense about artisan denim or quality/craftsmanship. These companies just found their niche and know ppl are willing to spend whatever amount for the fantasy
Anonymous says:
>So in other words, it’s all in their heads and imagination and the feeling of exclusivity.
no coper, have you ever worn premium denim? the quality and feel is unlike anything you can buy from levis (unless vintage)
Anonymous says:
All of the expensive clothes I have ever bought are still in great, like new condition despite heavy use over years. 10+ for some older ones. Most would sell for at least 75% of the original purchase price, which probably depends on if you wear “timeless” or “classic” styles in a common size.
I buy Levi’s from goodwill because I know they only last for a couple years and I wear them for dirty outdoor work
Anonymous says:
Confirmed stupid. All of what you just wrote right here proves that you have never ACTUALLY bought and worn a more valuable pair of heavy japanese denim. Before getting into the heavier selvedge, I used to exclusively wear APC until I walked into one of the Self Edge shops and tried on a pair of Iron Hearts and immediately realized that those jeans would undoubtedly last three times the lifetime than a pair of APCs. I have been very active in these jeans for a couple years now (bike riding, lifting in the jeans) and they have not blown out. On top of that, the richness of color within raw indigo jeans is something that APC cannot even compete with, and the fact that japanese companies have a large selection of different fits compared to standard skinny/slim twink femboi fits that APC seems to only offer proves that there is no competition. Bro, quit swallowing all the shallow bullshit that miserable gays on this board push around about japanese denim. There’s always a large swatch of miserable seething losers on this website whenever someone posts about some higher quality item of their particular hobby. For example, pathetic losers on the /mu/ will b***h and moan about how Gibson guitars are somehow actually shitty and you are spending way too much money whenever you buy a Les Paul. The funny part about all this shit is these people guaranteed have never actually boughten a Gibson and are unconsciously just jealous of those who can afford one, so they have to hide their jealousy by acting like those who can afford one are actually stupid.
Anonymous says:
>Hey guys, I play guitar blah blah blah.
Opinion discarded.
Anonymous says:
>Anon gets direct response to their main argument >Doesn’t know how to respond >Resorts to red herring remarks >omg so heckin based
have a nice day
Anonymous says:
so true, the levisheads and the shitplankers are literally the same breed of man
Anonymous says:
Exactly. Nothing wrong with telecasters, but jesus christ, these stupids need to stop acting like the higher-value items are somehow not good despite so many people intuitively understanding that Les Pauls and Es-335s ARE actually great guitars and that there is an insane amount of labor put into making these instruments compared to a fender. All the same can be said about heavy weight japanese selvedge compared to a pair of Levis or even a a pair of APCs. APCs aren’t bad jeans and they certainly are better than a pair of levis, but you fundamentally have no clue what you’re talking about if you are trying to argue that higher value selvedge is no better than APC jeans. A perfect example of the dunning kruger effect
Anonymous says:
>but you fundamentally have no clue what you’re talking about if you are trying to argue that higher value selvedge is no better than APC jeans
Point is they’re not triple or quadruple times better or whatever the price difference tends to be.
They’re jeans. Most of the cost is in people’s head (marketing) and sense of exclusivity seeing that not many other brands make heavier weight jeans.
It’s like the same idea behind automatic watches. People spend hundreds even thousands more for a watch that tells time less accurately, yet don’t want to admit they do it for the sense of exclusivity and brand. They keep trying to cope with some fantasy they come up with about the movement etc.
There is nothing wrong with buying these more premium products if it’s what you want and like but a lot of the justifications for the price are weird. Just say you like the item and obviously you can’t get that exact product at a cheaper price
Anonymous says:
there’s no product on earth where price scales linearly with quality, there’s always diminishing returns, but why seethe about jeans in particular? The quality is much higher and spending 300 bucks every few years is nothing.
Anonymous says:
Price of luxury goods is less of a consideration for those that can actually afford them. There are considerations you gain on the higher end.
Fit is a universal. It is really the great equalizer.
The guy in OP’s pic is a step up past premium but the equivalent of a rapper sporting a blinged-out Jacob & Co watch. What a roller-coaster ride of shame he must feel with every purchase.
Anonymous says:
there’s no product on earth where price scales linearly with quality, there’s always diminishing returns, but why seethe about jeans in particular? The quality is much higher and spending 300 bucks every few years is nothing.
Yeah I get that. And there’s nothing wrong with spending that amount but the fantasy about "quality" they come up with justifying the $300 to $500 price difference is just laughable. Yeah they most certainly are better "quality"….but C’mon these companies just know they have their niche that are willing to spend that amount for the sense of exclusivity.
They’re just luxury items priced at $300-500 cos they can get away with it. Not that their quality is significantly superior to mall jeans or whatever jeans actually blue collar workers wear
Remember a lot of these brands try to replicate the nuances of jeans of old days. You telling me those old miners and bikers who wore heavy weight jeans etc. spent hundreds of dollars on their Levi’s? Or that the Levi’s of old were $300-500 worth of "quality" back in the day?
The types who buy these types of jeans and harp on about quality saying they last year’s are also the types who don’t even use their jeans for their intended purposes. Most likely work from home Infront of a laptop and own so many jeans that they never get a single pair to looking beat up to really test it’s "quality". They’ve consoomed a new pair before it even starts to settle.
Workwear/raw denim/boot fetishism is all god damn LARP. You ever work around real blue collar men? They just buy cheap shit and replace it once it gets too hecked up. No one is dropping more than $50 for a pair of work jeans that will become unwearable in three months anyway. If you like nice jeans just buy them and enjoy them for what they are.
Like this guy says, it’s all a LARP. Most of these brands try to replicate old fashion jeans. But those people who wore them back them would laugh and probably beat them up for even paying that amount for what was work pants for them. Not even fine linen or whatever
Anonymous says:
I’m not either of the guys you’re replying to, but I’ll pick apart the points that bother me.
>They’re just luxury items priced at $300-500 cos they can get away with it. Not that their quality is significantly superior to mall jeans or whatever jeans actually blue collar workers wear
Luxury products *do* need higher margins to stay in business because they do not sell in high volume, but the cost of production is also much greater. To begin with making denim on a shuttle loom with long staple cotton and natural indigo is going to cost an order of magnitude more, but as always labor is the biggest cost and higher quality goods demand the workers make less mistakes and often employ more difficult techniques. There’s no way you can think the difference between high end denim and mall denim isn’t significant unless you’ve never handled high end denim, it’s as big a difference as that between charmin and that toilet paper in public bathrooms.
>You telling me those old miners and bikers who wore heavy weight jeans etc. spent hundreds of dollars on their Levi’s? Or that the Levi’s of old were $300-500 worth of "quality" back in the day?
While no they didn’t spend literal hundreds of dollars because the dollar value was much greater, yes those old time miners and bikers would spend several days or even a week’s pay on one pair of pants. People in general spent much more of their income on clothes, in 1917 the average household spent 24.0% of its income on clothing and today it spends 3.1% on clothing. It should go without saying, but we do buy much more clothes than people did in the past, it’s just that they are much cheaper than they have ever been. There definitely was a much greater importance placed on the quality and durability of products, as these are the biggest talking points in almost all advertising of the time, but production is also cheaper now because of the massive economies of scale being taken advantage of and cheap outsourced labor.
Anonymous says:
Like what was said by this guy
I’m not either of the guys you’re replying to, but I’ll pick apart the points that bother me.
>They’re just luxury items priced at $300-500 cos they can get away with it. Not that their quality is significantly superior to mall jeans or whatever jeans actually blue collar workers wear
Luxury products *do* need higher margins to stay in business because they do not sell in high volume, but the cost of production is also much greater. To begin with making denim on a shuttle loom with long staple cotton and natural indigo is going to cost an order of magnitude more, but as always labor is the biggest cost and higher quality goods demand the workers make less mistakes and often employ more difficult techniques. There’s no way you can think the difference between high end denim and mall denim isn’t significant unless you’ve never handled high end denim, it’s as big a difference as that between charmin and that toilet paper in public bathrooms.
>You telling me those old miners and bikers who wore heavy weight jeans etc. spent hundreds of dollars on their Levi’s? Or that the Levi’s of old were $300-500 worth of "quality" back in the day?
While no they didn’t spend literal hundreds of dollars because the dollar value was much greater, yes those old time miners and bikers would spend several days or even a week’s pay on one pair of pants. People in general spent much more of their income on clothes, in 1917 the average household spent 24.0% of its income on clothing and today it spends 3.1% on clothing. It should go without saying, but we do buy much more clothes than people did in the past, it’s just that they are much cheaper than they have ever been. There definitely was a much greater importance placed on the quality and durability of products, as these are the biggest talking points in almost all advertising of the time, but production is also cheaper now because of the massive economies of scale being taken advantage of and cheap outsourced labor.
the cost of producing higher end selvedge is significantly more considering the larger amount of labor involved with using higher skilled techniques required to create natural indigo dye, operate a shuttle loom to produce really dense denim, and employ much more stitching afterwards than what would be used for a pair of levis. There is absolutely a palpable difference between higher value selvedge compared to a pair of fast fashion jeans that isn’t just "in your head". The fact that you keep trying to make this point proves you have never actually boughten higher value selvedge and have just been coping hard as heck in this entire thread
Anonymous says:
are you the same nerd i’ve been seeing spamming /fashion/ with iron heart fanboy shit nonstop for like a couple weeks
Anonymous says:
>shills japanese brands over american ones >demands that american guitars are a higher quality than mij lawsuit guitars
my greco literally does whatever I want a 330 or 335 to do. and its 47 years old.
Anonymous says:
Nigga where was it said that american guitars are better than mij guitars? Why are you literally making shit up in your head?
Anonymous says:
Still the redditors are posing in their new shiny grey denim as if it looks good
Link related is the best leather jacket with jeans that you poorgay hecks can easily afford. You’re welcome.
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>What are some /fashion/-approved raw denim fits?
– quality denim
– normal adult casual outfit
– not excessively worn or "smelly" looking denim
– face must look more beat than denim knees
– look like you drive a Tesla not a locomotive
– belt should not be prominent part of fit
– belt should not have visible clips, chains or can-openers
– never never cuff to show more of footwear or ankle
– clothes must look function, like for real
– look like you can throw a punch without crying
– don’t wear winter coat in California during Fall
– clothes should fit your real life, not your fantasies
My kingdom for fancy 36” inseam jeans that don’t shrink. I read all this shit, but I’m 193cm and my waist is not long so I struggle finding something cool
Nah, he seems more the type to never even have a single pair or well worn jeans despite being into raw denimz for 15+ years. All because he just keeps consooming too much and gets a new pair before his previous pair even gets a chance to break in. Or he gains weight before he gets a chance to wash them because he fell for all sorts of sizing down to account for "stretch" memes
this dude’s blog single handedly killed the heritage workwear trend a few years ago. who knows how many men his sacrifice saved
these guys are based. i was walking through yoyogi park and there was like 100 of them all hanging out dancing to shitty old western music in the middle of the day
Drag your ass down to Cavender’s or your local equivalent, and pick up some Wrangler 47MWZs. Cheaper than some shitty Levi’s, and raw as heck. Not selvedge, but hey, they’re like $30.
>Wrangler 47MWZs >raw as heck
A durable budget mainstream product but not "raw" as unsanforized and unwashed. Still, your point is this product would be more than adequate.
Not this one, why does the chubby chinlet keep getting posted as the poster boy of raw denim?
Cuff needs to hit the ankle, way too many cringey accessories
he’s not even really a chinlet it just looks so cause of how fat he is.
but yes his cuffs are too high, the accessories are too many and not go together so no go. the boots are also not doin it for me and his jacket is a size too small.
you can never go wrong with raws and a white tee if you’re not fat, converse on bottom for a youthful look or a captoe 6 inch lace up. tees or button ups of almost any style, or in the summertime go cliff booth stlye with moccasins and a hawaiian shirt or slightly different shade denim jacket. this leather jacket look could work and evern for his body type but the fit is way off and makes his big head look bigger.
>his jacket is a size too small.
I think it looks fine, appears to be a vintage style
it looks like if he zipped it up it would hug tight and awkward. this style of jacket with a ribbed hem should have a blouson effect.
No way he’s taller than 5’8"
His jacket is definitely not too small, that’s literally how it’s supposed to fit.
real fighter pilots were never that fat because the planes wouldn’t be able to take off
What are you talking about? The conversation was about the fit of his jacket, are you having a hard time understanding what I’m saying?
>height-frauding gay posture
the boots are the only good thing here
they need context to work and so do not work
they all look like that. young people don’t wear jeans anymore.
t. 21+raw denim
ok I asked this in the other thread, didn’t get an answered
How are Round House jeans?
Really? What do they wear?
The boots rolled up like that are a thing that the Rockers in England used to do and it’s so the bottom of your jeans don’t burn or get caught when you’re riding your motorbike
Second from the left is Christopher from The Sopranos
I really like those long woolen white socks they wore looks kino
did someone shop his head bigger / body smaller? It seems incongruent that his face is so fat but his body doesn’t seem to match the scale of things. How totally crammed is he in those jeans?
>two colors
>too new
>sunglasses
>leather boots+leather jacket
>tucked in shirt but not fit
>wears raw denim, mostly sits, no proper fade
>jeans are too wide
>hair
I dunno most of these fits look bad because they’re try hard.
It really bothers me that his leather wallet clip thing is a different color leather than his boots and belt. The hardware on boots and belt are different too.
lmao at that small dick fade
this guy is an absolute idiot if you actually watch his videos
almost vintage style on youtube
super annoying inflection, know-it-all attitude, very bizzare american mongrel trying to emulate the japanese at emulating american heritage work and casualwear, americanized amekaji
he is autisticly obsessed with stitching to the point of absurdity
the most important criteria for the best boots and best leather jackets according to him is stitches per inch and evenness of stitching
dude absolutely creams himself over whitekloud, because they roll their own proprietary thread and wax it with their own proprietary wax blend
Wow Bro, are you me? I agree 100%
any actually good heritage workwear or whatever youtubers?
So, what’s the takeaway? Get a couple retro pieces but mix them in with classic timeless current pieces.
I don’t want to be too harsh as the guy could be likeable except he is very annoying and opinionated. He has a weird Japanese fetish and bias. He definitely fires shots at various countries, companies and fits. Even many of the retro Amerikaji community take issue with his elitist take where everything is more about how rare and expensive items are, purely for its own sake.
Overall, the problem is that he is doing ALL of it. Every square inch is too precious. At the same time he isn’t actually doing any of it. He isn’t riding a motorcycle or mining coal. None of it is actually authentic because it is obsessed with authenticity without context or application.
It doesn’t seem like he has enough faith in any single item to incorporate it into "regular" clothing. It is like he has gotten trapped and suffocated in a costume.
It also looks like the entire style is an attempt to use proportions to hide what is underneath. The heels are because he is short, the high waisted pants because he is fat and the random accessories because it’s just more and more stuff to hide under.
Sorry for the blog post.
>He has a weird Japanese fetish and bias. He definitely fires shots at various countries, companies and fits.
yeah
watched his jacket guide
shits on everything that isn’t an ultra short japanese repro A-2 or J-24 moto jacket, because that is the style he likes
claims they are the best and says he’s an authority on japanese brands
says british brands are garbage
pic, his newest "winter" jacket, no joke says it could be even shorter
>It is like he has gotten trapped and suffocated in a costume.
exactly, it’s larp gear
it’s funny when he tries to act like an expert, when he looks like a clown in all his pictures
most people that look for jackets don’t want this repro shit, because it’s too hecking short and not versatile
what he won’t tell you is that you have to buy high rise pants up to your belly button to wear something that short
Announcing to experts, enthusiasts and the world at large that these 2 pair of boots, you happen to own, are the very best in the entire world.
The cherry red clown boots on the left are so glam that even Bowie at the height of his Ziggy Stardust phase would have found them a tad too much. The toe box doesn’t fit. The immaculate oversized gloss soles show they aren’t even being worn, unless only to the bowling alley.
Then there’s the engineer boots. Multiple pair of once-in-a-lifetime outlive-you engineer boots. Why you have multiple pair!!!
I’m a normal guy. I want some quality stylish adult footwear. The YouTube / Bloggers reviewing this style of gear are so astronomically autistic it gives me a panic attack. There’s this Almost Vintage creep, a guy that has established himself as an expert by sawing boots in half, some guy that looks like Chunk from The Goonies with 300 pair of boots and then an Australian guy.
Quality, authenticity and exclusivity can’t make up for lack of fit and style.
Almost Vintage Style is absolutely cringe and an annoying elitist larper. To be fair though Carl Murawski’s (assuming thats who you’re referring to) job for his YT channel is to review clothing, hence why he has like 300 pairs of boots. He does a decent job at balancing the higher budget men’s wear and giving you honest opinions on whether a piece of clothing is shitty or overpriced. For example, he recently did a review for a bunch of flannels for 2023 and made sure to cover Iron Heart’s ultra heavy flannel. As someone who owns a few of these, he literally could not be any more honest than he was. Said they were seriously awesome flannels, but horrendously overpriced. The same could be said for his review of the John Lofgren engineer boots. A gorgeous boot with an arguably perfect toe profile and immaculate detail with stitching, but seems to have issues with sizing and ultimately being able to get your foot past the pass through of the boot shaft. As for your dilemma, do your research on certain boots that appeal to you in terms of it’s appearance and whether it would reasonably be able to blend well with most outfits, and then look into whether those boots have legitimately good construction quality such as its welt construction (double stitch down or goodyear welt at a minimum), quality of leather, and stitching on the uppers (double to triple stitching at a minimum).
murawski is the biggest poser in existance
there is no other guy that wants to be blue-collar as desperate as he
he changed his story on what job he does like 3-4 times
this whole fake persona is pathetic larping
besides he is absolutely not objective, he takes sponsorship money from the brands he recommends
he has this demented obsession with "made in the usa", to the point where he will always have to denegrate white’s boots, made 100% in spokane washington btw, just because they are owned by a japanese conglomerate
>why would you buy them, part of your money doesn’t stay in the usa and goes to the greedy japanese, trying to cut corners on construction wherever they can
>dude just buy nicks instead, bro, you definitely don’t pay an upcharge for their absolutely predatory viral marketing budget, that indirectly goes to me, because i get sponsored by them constantly, like every boot tuber in existance, not really going to disclose that when i recommend their boots in every video btw
Whites are made in China, occasionally assembled in the US, but usually just boxed.
Don’t ask me how I know that.
What isn’t by that definition?
Sorry stupid, but just because you say something doesn’t make it true. For be stupid somewhere else boy.
But would you otherwise listen to an average young adult consumer talk into a camera for 5-10 minutes without the additional production set up. Clearly he would lack the inventory and experience, but could make it up with a few jokes and being authentic.
YouTube influencers that happen to be in any particular niche do not have more to offer than the talking points of their standard script which is largely based on the product spec sheets and based on the brief amount of time spent with this week’s product.
It is consumer content for consumers that will watch, consume, and repeat.
The real savings from buying well is not buying again.
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What are some /fashion/-approved raw denim fits? (OP) this guy looks ridiculous
Only whyte incels wear these
Muhh.. muhh class
Lol is this what you come up with in your head? They are legit nice boots, simple as
>What are some /fashion/-approved raw denim fits?
These just plain do not fit the guy.
I don’t think this guy in the photo knows how clothing works.
I like this point about reality vs fantasy but what if you had some really cool boots to start with.
I like that he doesn’t look overly styled but has a cohesive look.
what’s the point of this look? is it a gay thing?
he reminds me of the ysl wokstar. they’re both turbo manlets trying to copy other people’s fits that were meant to play on proportions, over a foot shorter.
I never understood how asians have small child like bodies and fat un proportionate bulldog looking heads. It baffles me that this breed of human actually exist. It was like a genetic mistake that continued to live (and thrive) for thousands of years. Its amazing
Other than this guy being a total SEA manlet, I think this fit is pretty sick. It would certainly be hard to pull off with any regular person, but that faded wabash shirt is hecking awesome. This guy definitely put in a lot of time wearing that thing in since wabash is known for being stubborn to fade
better photo of that shirt
Never bought something like this, but I like it. Does the dye ruin your furniture and your car seats?
I have the same one and as long as you give it an initial soak/wash, the amount of bleed is pretty minimal. This particular fabric takes a long time to fade, hence the shirt doesn’t really bleed much. You can find one here:
https://www.ironheart.co.uk/tops/ihsh-62-ind.html
Thanks. So you’re supposed to wash it when you get it, cold or warm, soap or no soap?
Nta but raw denim I usually soak in bucket or the bath for an hour or so before first wear, cold if the sizing is good but hot if you sized up
Generally soaking/washing warm will cause slight shrinkage initially. I generally like to use detergent when I do an initial cold quick wash because I have no clue if there are weird preservative chemicals in the fabric
Is Bronson mfg Co a good brand for these wabash shirts?
Some people give them shit for being a Chinese brand, while I’m not exactly happy about that either I have four pairs of pants from bronson including jeans and everything is very sturdy.
Not sure, but I just googled them and see that they have double to triple stitching, leading me to think that they likely would never fall apart. The main differences I see between that and Iron Heart Wabash is that the IH is slightly heavier weight raw denim with western cuts and button snaps, whereas the Bronson shirt looks like its already been washed a few times. If you want maximum fade potential and prefer the western look, IH is more your cup of tea. If you don’t want really heavy weight material, the Bronson should be good
I have a vest and their corduroy hunting jacket and it is really good quality for the money. I’m right at the upper end of their sizing so a lot of their stuff won’t even fit my shoulders but the jacket is just right.
A true rockstar, he almost looks like Elvis!
My Chunk reference was to Aerosurfer. It was harsh though as he seems like a genuine enthusiast and a very nice man. Carl Murawski is definitely in the gear review business but at least he doesn’t seem like a creepy dweeb. Neither Aerosurfer or Carl do really but they are both bald as heck, so whatever.
I guess I’ve become jaded with all the endless semi-pro reviewers on all topics because it always becomes more about the next new thing instead of just buying a few items and enjoying them for years.
So what do we really care and how does any of this relate to /fashion/shion? There’s a point somewhere around Truman, White’s and Viberg where you not only start to get diminishing returns but you are also going too far down the rabbit hole. Like instead of getting a nice Rolex you buy 4 vintage Pateks while living in your parents’ basement and dressing like 2023’s Hugh Hefner. Actually, that sounds dope.
So I guess my point is that (YOU) make the gear! The gear won’t make you. That guy is a cautionary tale for sure because if he just dialed it back like 1000 he could be a normal bro that just happens to like engineer boots or vintage leather jackets. Instead, he looks like he has a vinyl collection and makes his own artisinal pomade, for dogs.
if Steven Segal was a chinkier manlet
Purple brand used go be cool. Though not anymore. They fell off like balenciaga. Im probably going to start buying bathing ape jeans but i havent been into fashion for a while. Ksubis were also cool but their out now like true religion which has been out for like a decade.
Pic related is purple brand
These have never actually been worn. They are literally only for photos.
i feel like that is the case for most of these super duper custom asian shoemaker collectors
you hear all these glowing recommendations and raving first impression reviews and when you actually try to search a worn pair to see if they hold up, there is absolutely nothing to find
these idiots with 50+ boot collections need their new fix, spend like $1-2k on them and then only pose for photos in them
for one because there is literally no time to wear all these boots and second more importantly the whole appeal of these shoemakers is the ultra pedantic finishing that they paid out the ass for and can’t stomach to ruin
i don’t get the point of mirror shined welt edges and giant polished logger heel stacks, when that is the part that gets chewed up instantly even with very conservative wear
I got into vintage gear to learn about jeans and boots to know what features made one better than the next. I wanted a step up from what was at the mall but found fashion brands mostly poor quality and inconsistent.
picrel – A well worn pair of boots was the goal 10 years ago. Bloggers were definitely deliberately wearing in their gear for photos though. That was a complaint of the scene back then.
As for approved denim fits imho the variety of choice available now gives you the chance to actually find the fit you’re looking for in a design that looks just a little better made than what is found at the mall. Naked & Famous (not their crazy limited releases) as well as APC are reliable and can clearly get you where you want to be. They are regarded as entry level but are miles better than the average and more sensible than what OP’s pic would recommend.
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>A well worn pair of boots was the goal 10 years ago
I feel like that’s still the goal with boot and denim enthusiasts. A well worn pair of selvedge and leather boots universally looks way better than when they’re new.
But yeah I agree with most of your points. The accessibility to higher end denim nowadays is really nice, but there exists that point of diminishing returns once your reach brands like Iron Heart or God forbid if you start getting interested in high end leather jackets. Like, Iron Heart is undoubtedly top notch build quality, but even they are perceivably overpriced especially considering the fact that they sell a flannel for $350
>iron hearts
>overpriced
luckily i’ll be in tokyo next month so i won’t feel guilty about buying a pair of jeans at japanese retail.
not sure about what else i should be on the lookout for while i’m there though. any recommendations? not necessarily denim.
Maybe check out some boot makers. Not sure if the prices for John lofgrens are lower in Japan, but I have their engineers and can attest that they are very top notch. If you’re into leather jackets, check out Y’2 leather
That’s another stupid element of it. They keep going on about "quality" and "lifetime boots" but just keep consooming and never even break in these boots they speak so highly of. Yet act like other shoes and boots are a waste because they act like they fall apart in a few wears.
They just claim somehting is higher quality because price and others online said so when my work boots that are a fraction of the cost have taken way more of a beating for years, never have been "resoled" and barely any care besides this oiling was given yet are still alive and well. These clowns will probably pay hundreds for my boots just to LARP as having rough worn in boots
their motto is always "buy less, buy better" but their spending seems to grow larger every year
They do look pretty cool, but I wouldn’t pay $1 for them because I don’t want someone to think I’m Australian strewth crikey good on ya put the sheila on the barby kangaroo
They don’t even look good
Eyelets spaced too far apart
Way too much toe spring
No pull tab
No binding between the lining and the upper
Massive shelf on the heel stack
Forget the color, these aren’t even very good boots
Just don’t go for go for gimmicky brands or weights like naked and famous and those 18oz, 21oz weights that have way too many options and memes and weird combinations.
Jeans are meant to be just friggen jeans
Don’t go for jeans with back pockets that point downwards (like a lot of these newer modern gimmicky brands have, they sit on your ass weird). Get ones that point diagnolly outwards.
Basically only get brands that are based off the Levi 501. Eg. Get stuff like TCB, Sugar Cane, APC, Levi’s/LVC
Get them used if you can, will always be a fraction of the price. Tbh those are the only brands I would get
Everything else is gimmicky
Everyone agrees new raw denim looks terrible right?
Yeah, I love getting raw denim for how it wears in, but a brand new pair looks really silly. I have a home gym and will actually wear my new raws whenever I do squats or deadlifts in order to speed the fading process.
1. go to a Home Depot and give the new pair of jeans to a Mexican
2. tell him to wear it every day to work and never wash it and bring it to your house in 3 months and you’ll pay him
3. after 3 months give him money and take your worn in pair of jeans
4. masturbate while smelling the sweaty fart infused crotch
Congrats, you have an /fashion/ approved pair of jeans
haha one of the really big names in denim importing i won’t name used to use me like that to fade shit for his blog & forum posts back when i was doing construction. good times. if i ever get back on coke and lose 20lbs ill have the sickest fades you’ve ever seen.
i had a roommate who looked+dressed like this at the same time who recorded a pop album about being a power bottom, it was pretty fire but i can’t find it online.
ya agree. good post.
u dont have to spend a lot for a great pair of jeans, after a certain point it becomes less about quality and more about spergy shit or historical accuracy like old construction details that are harder to manufacture and fade a bit cooler but are if anything functionally worse than what you’d find on entry level stuff or even walmart jeans. example: hidden rivets vs tacked back pockets.
siri how tall is a professional model?
u got to be hecking kidding me.
Cuckoldry.
>more about spergy shit or historical accuracy like old construction details that are harder to manufacture and fade a bit cooler but are if anything functionally worse than what you’d find on entry level stuff or even walmart jeans. example: hidden rivets vs tacked back pockets.
That’s the funny thing about it. If no one on the internet told them about it, they wouldn’t care or notice that shit.
Heck stuff like "leg twist" would be something they would autistically hate naturally because things wouldn’t be symetrical but because internet told them "lol it’s a feature, it’s how it was back then" they suddenly sperg out and love it.
Even with shit like rivets, then suddenly the later model LVC jeans come out and suddenly back pockets with not rivets is heavily desired cos it won’t scratch furniture when it wears through the pocket.
All that artisan shit of Japs hand dying crap and doing all that stupid shit to justify $500 jeans is all in their head and are paying mostly for the sense of exclusivity. Then when you point it out on Reddit they get mad at you and downvote you for it lol
These are the same ppl who act like spending $500 on jeans is better because cheap jeans are "low quality" that will fall apart in a few washes but then either never even get to the point of having well broken in jeans because they’ve consumed 5+ other pairs of $300+ jeans during that time. Spending way more they ever would have on a lifetime of $30 jeans which last just as long, cos they’re literally just hecking jeans.
That’s why i said, if you want to get into raw jeans, there’s nothing wrong with that. But going beyond the more basic Levi inspired jap brands like TCB and sugar cane is kind of stupid
>if you want to get into raw jeans, there’s nothing wrong with that. But going beyond the more basic Levi inspired jap brands like TCB and sugar cane is kind of stupid
Depends on what you’re actually getting. If you’re buying over 21 oz japanese selvedge, its worth the money imo. Objectively these types of denim are more durable than anything else you can buy and will have really good stitching, and the natural indigo dye thats used will form much more beautiful shades of blue than the dyes that a cheaper pair of denim will. There’s definitely something to be said about out of shape office job gays having a bunch of pairs of jeans that are $400+, but I really do not see anything wrong with buying one pair of really great 21-25 oz from companies like Iron Heart or Samurai. I mean, you are undoubtedly getting the best of the best when you buy this
If N&F actually ever release their 40 oz denim that would be pretty funny to get. I guess if you ride motorcycles it would be worth it.
Yeah, I can imagine the only reason you would get something that thick is if you legitimately need it for protection against road rash in case you crash your motorcycle, but that’s it. Trade workers wouldn’t even go that heavy I don’t think since part of manual labor is being able to have some ease of movement and flexibility, and that shit would be miserable to wear while working in the summer.
Can’t even imagine wearing something twice as thick as Elephant series jeans.
>Yeah, I can imagine the only reason you would get something that thick is if you legitimately need it for protection against road rash in case you crash your motorcycle
That’s a lot of money to leave it all over the road
>If you’re buying over 21 oz japanese selvedge
Aka. LARPing.
This is such a gay argument. Where do you draw the line between larp and not larp? 19 oz? 17 oz? Why stop there? Are flannels larp too? Is canvas material in general larp? Also, what does heavy oz denim have to do with larp? People like it because it feels better to wear and fades better than lighter weight denim
>Where do you draw the line between larp and not larp?
>People like it because it … fades better than lighter weight denim
(You) answering your own question
At least now there are more fit options and better quality denim for the money. If you go turbo larp beyond that it is on (You)
This does not make any sense. It’s larp because of the preference for better fades? Vibrant fades objectively look good. This does not mean that someone is larping as a tradesman. Also,
>Shilling for APC this hard
Workwear/raw denim/boot fetishism is all god damn LARP. You ever work around real blue collar men? They just buy cheap shit and replace it once it gets too hecked up. No one is dropping more than $50 for a pair of work jeans that will become unwearable in three months anyway. If you like nice jeans just buy them and enjoy them for what they are.
I am in fact an earthwork contractor and can confirm that other than your work boots, your work outfit is indeed relatively inexpensive. That being said, I like having really high end clothes with a high durability/functionality outside of work for the purpose of casual wear. All of the dudes calling this stuff larp are only half-correct and honestly just hecking cringe sometimes, as they fail to recognize that there are indeed some dudes who work a skilled trades that ALSO see the value in having high-quality clothes for home use. Its also cringe to see other tradesman who beat their chests in the blue collar olympics and poo-poo on any other tradesman for owning higher end clothes for casual wear, often resorting to the conclusion that if you wear anything other than your work duds, you’re a gay. All in all, its just cringe to see stupids on /fashion/ who are very likely just limp-wristed urbanites posture themselves as though they indeed have eArNeD tHe vALoR to be able to broadly categorize high end americana and workwear as just larp and gatekeep the ever-living heck out of it.
Why are you guys always talking about "muh real blue collar men"? Are you gay? 99% of people wearing jeans are not pretending to be 1890s miners. I certainly don’t give a heck what the tradesman on the street thinks of my jeans.
Do you also assume that anyone wearing a polo shirt is LARPing as a tennis player? Is anyone in a rugby shirt LARPing as a rugby player?
some guy in another thread made the observation that everyone calling workwear fashion a larp are the guys that get called larpers because they want to wear anime or terrorist/military costumes, it’s just sour grapes
Its also the massive hysteria that has been passed around on this board about workwear being completely larp. The reactivity to it all is so absurd that there is literally no other fashion that people gatekeep as hard as workwear and americana. Yeah, I’m sure that some of those guys are just sour neofolk gays, but a lot of the gatekeepers to workwear in reality are likely just urbanite/suburbanite gays who somehow are acting as if they know about blue collar life or what goes through the heads of actual blue collar dudes.
Fashion has always had a larping component to it, from the very begining. Without that, it’s just fabrics you use to not freeze.
Nobody with half a brain would think that somebody on a flannel, jeans and boots is necessarily a tradesman. And only schizos on fashion boards think that somebody with said fit is pretending to be a tradesman.
/thread
This website is filled with social stupids that come up with ridiculous notions in their head that at the end of the day would never even consider walking up to someone and calling them a blue collar larper for simply wearing jeans, flannels and boots. I really do not think that selvedge dorks are legitimately trying to posture as tradesman. They simply just like denim for how it looks and feels. And yes, some of these guys spend a ridiculous amount of money on clothes. The funny thing though is that literally nobody on here bats an eye if someone spends thousands of dollars on a business suit and oxfords, or on some other luxury fashion trend. At least when someone spends thousands of dollars on a workwear/americana outfit, they are getting something that has a very large amount of durability/functionality.
The argument that a 350 dollar pair of jeans is "more worth" than cheaper jeans is probably not true. You can buy 4-5 pair of cheap Levis and rotate through them and they will last a hell of a lot longer together vs the pair of raws you’d wear everyday.
I still think it’s worth it for the feeling of quality and craftsmanship, knowing where they’re from and not supporting fast fashion. And if you can’t spend 300 dollars on jeans every two years you are a massive heck up.
For me its orslow 105 btw (not raw just selvedge ig)
>I still think it’s worth it for the feeling of quality and craftsmanship, knowing where they’re from and not supporting fast fashion
So in other words, it’s all in their heads and imagination and the feeling of exclusivity.
Like C’mon. How much "craftsmanship" goes into jeans that they know the difference besides what someone else on the internet told them. It’s not something they actively experience.
What’s the biggest "craftsmanship" that they fawn over? Using old fashion looms as opposed to modern efficient ones which they don’t even notice. Chain stitching at the hem? Lol something that is already in a lot of cheap normal jeans (but surprisingly not on the more "expensive" entry level raw jeans like APC)
Like fr fr. Why can’t they just admit they just have extra money to blow, which feels good to spend and want that sense of exclusivity instead of coming up with some strange story or justification on why their jeans cost $400 as opposed to $40 where the "features" definitely arent worth the price difference. Like I said, there’s nothing wrong with dropping $500 on a pair of jeans if that’s what you like, but drop the nonsense about artisan denim or quality/craftsmanship. These companies just found their niche and know ppl are willing to spend whatever amount for the fantasy
>So in other words, it’s all in their heads and imagination and the feeling of exclusivity.
no coper, have you ever worn premium denim? the quality and feel is unlike anything you can buy from levis (unless vintage)
All of the expensive clothes I have ever bought are still in great, like new condition despite heavy use over years. 10+ for some older ones. Most would sell for at least 75% of the original purchase price, which probably depends on if you wear “timeless” or “classic” styles in a common size.
I buy Levi’s from goodwill because I know they only last for a couple years and I wear them for dirty outdoor work
Confirmed stupid. All of what you just wrote right here proves that you have never ACTUALLY bought and worn a more valuable pair of heavy japanese denim. Before getting into the heavier selvedge, I used to exclusively wear APC until I walked into one of the Self Edge shops and tried on a pair of Iron Hearts and immediately realized that those jeans would undoubtedly last three times the lifetime than a pair of APCs. I have been very active in these jeans for a couple years now (bike riding, lifting in the jeans) and they have not blown out. On top of that, the richness of color within raw indigo jeans is something that APC cannot even compete with, and the fact that japanese companies have a large selection of different fits compared to standard skinny/slim twink femboi fits that APC seems to only offer proves that there is no competition. Bro, quit swallowing all the shallow bullshit that miserable gays on this board push around about japanese denim. There’s always a large swatch of miserable seething losers on this website whenever someone posts about some higher quality item of their particular hobby. For example, pathetic losers on the /mu/ will b***h and moan about how Gibson guitars are somehow actually shitty and you are spending way too much money whenever you buy a Les Paul. The funny part about all this shit is these people guaranteed have never actually boughten a Gibson and are unconsciously just jealous of those who can afford one, so they have to hide their jealousy by acting like those who can afford one are actually stupid.
>Hey guys, I play guitar blah blah blah.
Opinion discarded.
>Anon gets direct response to their main argument
>Doesn’t know how to respond
>Resorts to red herring remarks
>omg so heckin based
have a nice day
so true, the levisheads and the shitplankers are literally the same breed of man
Exactly. Nothing wrong with telecasters, but jesus christ, these stupids need to stop acting like the higher-value items are somehow not good despite so many people intuitively understanding that Les Pauls and Es-335s ARE actually great guitars and that there is an insane amount of labor put into making these instruments compared to a fender. All the same can be said about heavy weight japanese selvedge compared to a pair of Levis or even a a pair of APCs. APCs aren’t bad jeans and they certainly are better than a pair of levis, but you fundamentally have no clue what you’re talking about if you are trying to argue that higher value selvedge is no better than APC jeans. A perfect example of the dunning kruger effect
>but you fundamentally have no clue what you’re talking about if you are trying to argue that higher value selvedge is no better than APC jeans
Point is they’re not triple or quadruple times better or whatever the price difference tends to be.
They’re jeans. Most of the cost is in people’s head (marketing) and sense of exclusivity seeing that not many other brands make heavier weight jeans.
It’s like the same idea behind automatic watches. People spend hundreds even thousands more for a watch that tells time less accurately, yet don’t want to admit they do it for the sense of exclusivity and brand. They keep trying to cope with some fantasy they come up with about the movement etc.
There is nothing wrong with buying these more premium products if it’s what you want and like but a lot of the justifications for the price are weird. Just say you like the item and obviously you can’t get that exact product at a cheaper price
there’s no product on earth where price scales linearly with quality, there’s always diminishing returns, but why seethe about jeans in particular? The quality is much higher and spending 300 bucks every few years is nothing.
Price of luxury goods is less of a consideration for those that can actually afford them. There are considerations you gain on the higher end.
Fit is a universal. It is really the great equalizer.
The guy in OP’s pic is a step up past premium but the equivalent of a rapper sporting a blinged-out Jacob & Co watch. What a roller-coaster ride of shame he must feel with every purchase.
Yeah I get that. And there’s nothing wrong with spending that amount but the fantasy about "quality" they come up with justifying the $300 to $500 price difference is just laughable. Yeah they most certainly are better "quality"….but C’mon these companies just know they have their niche that are willing to spend that amount for the sense of exclusivity.
They’re just luxury items priced at $300-500 cos they can get away with it. Not that their quality is significantly superior to mall jeans or whatever jeans actually blue collar workers wear
Remember a lot of these brands try to replicate the nuances of jeans of old days. You telling me those old miners and bikers who wore heavy weight jeans etc. spent hundreds of dollars on their Levi’s? Or that the Levi’s of old were $300-500 worth of "quality" back in the day?
The types who buy these types of jeans and harp on about quality saying they last year’s are also the types who don’t even use their jeans for their intended purposes. Most likely work from home Infront of a laptop and own so many jeans that they never get a single pair to looking beat up to really test it’s "quality". They’ve consoomed a new pair before it even starts to settle.
Like this guy says, it’s all a LARP. Most of these brands try to replicate old fashion jeans. But those people who wore them back them would laugh and probably beat them up for even paying that amount for what was work pants for them. Not even fine linen or whatever
I’m not either of the guys you’re replying to, but I’ll pick apart the points that bother me.
>They’re just luxury items priced at $300-500 cos they can get away with it. Not that their quality is significantly superior to mall jeans or whatever jeans actually blue collar workers wear
Luxury products *do* need higher margins to stay in business because they do not sell in high volume, but the cost of production is also much greater. To begin with making denim on a shuttle loom with long staple cotton and natural indigo is going to cost an order of magnitude more, but as always labor is the biggest cost and higher quality goods demand the workers make less mistakes and often employ more difficult techniques. There’s no way you can think the difference between high end denim and mall denim isn’t significant unless you’ve never handled high end denim, it’s as big a difference as that between charmin and that toilet paper in public bathrooms.
>You telling me those old miners and bikers who wore heavy weight jeans etc. spent hundreds of dollars on their Levi’s? Or that the Levi’s of old were $300-500 worth of "quality" back in the day?
While no they didn’t spend literal hundreds of dollars because the dollar value was much greater, yes those old time miners and bikers would spend several days or even a week’s pay on one pair of pants. People in general spent much more of their income on clothes, in 1917 the average household spent 24.0% of its income on clothing and today it spends 3.1% on clothing. It should go without saying, but we do buy much more clothes than people did in the past, it’s just that they are much cheaper than they have ever been. There definitely was a much greater importance placed on the quality and durability of products, as these are the biggest talking points in almost all advertising of the time, but production is also cheaper now because of the massive economies of scale being taken advantage of and cheap outsourced labor.
Like what was said by this guy
the cost of producing higher end selvedge is significantly more considering the larger amount of labor involved with using higher skilled techniques required to create natural indigo dye, operate a shuttle loom to produce really dense denim, and employ much more stitching afterwards than what would be used for a pair of levis. There is absolutely a palpable difference between higher value selvedge compared to a pair of fast fashion jeans that isn’t just "in your head". The fact that you keep trying to make this point proves you have never actually boughten higher value selvedge and have just been coping hard as heck in this entire thread
are you the same nerd i’ve been seeing spamming /fashion/ with iron heart fanboy shit nonstop for like a couple weeks
>shills japanese brands over american ones
>demands that american guitars are a higher quality than mij lawsuit guitars
my greco literally does whatever I want a 330 or 335 to do. and its 47 years old.
Nigga where was it said that american guitars are better than mij guitars? Why are you literally making shit up in your head?
Still the redditors are posing in their new shiny grey denim as if it looks good
The jacket looks too small. He just needs to size it up one I think
i love this guys channel. he’s such a nerd lmao
He got those office job fades
Link related is the best leather jacket with jeans that you poorgay hecks can easily afford. You’re welcome.
https://www.dillards.com/p/polo-ralph-lauren-lambskin-leather-jacket/509658493
Looks like Johnny Depp
Got my finest BIG denim ready for tonight
see what i mean? especially the ankle area looks hecked when manlets try to do this shit.
just untucked vs tucked shit
that’s a fat vs skinny thing
Can’t remember last time I wore denim. Was before covid for sure.
sorry manlets, but your legs will never be long enough to pull off certain looks.
>What are some /fashion/-approved raw denim fits?
– quality denim
– normal adult casual outfit
– not excessively worn or "smelly" looking denim
– face must look more beat than denim knees
– look like you drive a Tesla not a locomotive
– belt should not be prominent part of fit
– belt should not have visible clips, chains or can-openers
– never never cuff to show more of footwear or ankle
– clothes must look function, like for real
– look like you can throw a punch without crying
– don’t wear winter coat in California during Fall
– clothes should fit your real life, not your fantasies
I love how you stupids always post actors for your toughness guy fantasies lmao
I’d rather larp as a coal miner than some insecure boomer
this dude’s blog single handedly killed the heritage workwear trend a few years ago. who knows how many men his sacrifice saved
My kingdom for fancy 36” inseam jeans that don’t shrink. I read all this shit, but I’m 193cm and my waist is not long so I struggle finding something cool
This guy seems like the type to not wash his jeans for a year to achieve le epic fades
Nah, he seems more the type to never even have a single pair or well worn jeans despite being into raw denimz for 15+ years. All because he just keeps consooming too much and gets a new pair before his previous pair even gets a chance to break in. Or he gains weight before he gets a chance to wash them because he fell for all sorts of sizing down to account for "stretch" memes
Lol what’s his blog?
This is unironically peak moron western larp kino
almost, the Jap rockabilly guys take the cake
these guys are based. i was walking through yoyogi park and there was like 100 of them all hanging out dancing to shitty old western music in the middle of the day
Tunnel Snake core
If you are West Coast check out these guys, for a little more they will do custom for you.
https://railcarfinegoods.com
What if I’m east coast?
Franklin & Poe in Philadelphia is a great store if you want to try on some jeans and find something that fits perfectly.
Why does he look like a midget
>denim
plebswear
Drag your ass down to Cavender’s or your local equivalent, and pick up some Wrangler 47MWZs. Cheaper than some shitty Levi’s, and raw as heck. Not selvedge, but hey, they’re like $30.
>Wrangler 47MWZs
>raw as heck
A durable budget mainstream product but not "raw" as unsanforized and unwashed. Still, your point is this product would be more than adequate.
https://www.heddels.com/2016/07/fade-day-wrangler-cowboy-cut-rigid-slim-fit-jean/