Were the Huns and the Scythians Turkic or what?

Were the Huns and the Scythians Turkic or what? I have a Turkish friend who incessantly insists that they are but from what I remember reading on the subject quite some time ago they WERE related to the Turks, yes, but not Turkic themselves. What is the current consensus on this topic?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    didn't they come from China, they are like proto-mongols

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      what does this mean

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Modern populations genetically most closely related to individual Hunnic/Xiongnu samples.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Turkish friend who incessantly insists
    Turks are moronic and are desperate to have an actual history as a nation, considering that even their oh so beloved ottomuttistan considered them to be subhuman. They even had a schizo theory that all modern day languages are descended form turkish. Just google "Sun Langauge Theory".
    >What is the current consensus on this topic?
    Nomads were generally a mixed bunch of various assorted people. Turkic is first and foremost a linguistic group, which Scythians were not. They were Iranic from what most can gather.
    We don't have much information about Huns. Hteir language could've been turkic or finno-ugric, nobody knows specifically. As other nomadic societies, Huns were a mixed bunch of various peoples, which might've included turkic, germanic, iranic and finno-ugric peoples. The latter was more accepted by the Hungarians, who considered Huns to be their predecessors, and their invasions in the Carpatian basin was essentially a reconquest of their homeland.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      hungarians to this day use attila as a given name and it's basedahw avg

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

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    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Finno-Ugric
      I doubt that. They form their own cline and Huns are not part of it.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's a common thing turkish nationalist say.But no they weren't turkish.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ethnicity of steppe people is complicated. When they formed these big confederations to go raping and looting like Atilla did they weren't just one people. They were big multi-ethnic steppe alliances.
    Hunnic is very poorly attested, so we don't know what sort of language it was. Some of the names of Huns that have been recorded do look Turkic, but then Atilla is usually thought to be of Germanic origin.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Huns
    They probably speak a form of Proto-Turkic as we from the "Jie Poem" (which is Sükä talıqın bügüg tutun!), the only surviving sentence from Hunnic lexigon. However northern Xiongnu/Huns might have spoken Yeniseian and European Huns probably started to spoke proto-Slavic (see: Romans recorded Hunnic words such as medos and strava) and Gothic
    >Scythians
    Iranic, no doubt. Kharoshti, Tocharian and other written records one could get from Sakas and Scythians also Grek records of their words show Iranic. And academic consensus has an agreement on it. Also their material culture also shows similarity with Iranics.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      by middle 6th century, the Hunnic sovereignity in Carpathian basin has ended and they were fully replaced by Gepids, Rugii and other Germanics imply late era European Huns assimilated into Germans. Pontic-Caspian proto-Turkic remnants of Huns; Utrigur, Kutrigur, Bulgary, Onagurs, Sabirs, Saragurs..., got replaced by Kypchak Turkic Cumans and Slavs and forced to migrate. Today the remnants of these are Chuvash (who are still speaking an archaic Turkic language) and Balkars .

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Samples of gepid, vandal, and ostrogothic (and some Visigothic) aDNA show them to cluster somewhere between north Italians, Austrians, Romanians, and Serbians, with some being much closer to Serbians and Croats than others. Late era European hun masses were probably Slavic-Shifted Germans and proto Slavs, with the hunnic elite being mostly Turkic and finno-ugric. Later avars and bolgurs claimed descent from the hunnic elite and some of their samples show clear East Asian admixture while the other half (of the elite) plot closer to modern East Slavs.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          We actually have a lot of Avar samples. The majority of elites cluster with East Asians and all of them have haplogroup N.
          I think there's one Slavic looking elite, but there's also a Med looking elite.
          Magyars on the other hand are firmly on the Uralic cline.
          Huns are kind of all over the place, but we don't have many elite samples. Still, most samples are R1a-Z93 (old Iranian), Q1 (could be anything). They also brought some of that Tarim R1b to Europe and today guys from Albania and Italy carry it, so that's interesting.

          https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH155/

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            All of the studies I’ve seen don’t seem to point to East Asian dominance on autosomal pca for avar samples. I’ve worked on avar and Bolgur skeletal assemblages and mongoloid skull shapes are in the minority for sure. Most are ambiguous, mixed mongoloid and caucasoid. Many are definitely caucasoid. I’ve seen the predominant y haplogroups of East Asian origin, but from what I saw the first wave of avars had mostly caucasoid crania with East Asian admixture in a minority of individuals. Second wave avars and bolgurs are more overwhelmingly East Asian admixed autosomally while still ambiguous cranially. Many are still caucasoid. The bolgur samples I work with in italy though are completely caucasoid, not one mongoloid skull among the elite but they were probably gepids called by the longobards who merely adopted steppe cultural traits. Please link your studies that show predominant East Asian autosomal genetics (note ANE is not East Asian)

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Huns were likely Turkic, at least Grousset thinks so.
    Scythians were Iranic.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Most Huns were Turkified Iranics. They were created when white men from the West took local East Asian wives. They taught their children their Turkic language.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Scythians were Arian but came west and the Germans gave them the name of Germans to distinguish they are different from the Turkic Scythians that historians deflect to today. Scythians were the milk drinking whites, our white ancestors that populated Europe along with their celtic white cousins. Together all come from the lost tribes of Israel.

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