"based" meaning "thing I like"? well that's subjective
"Based" meaning "Vast self-confidence in their outlook in the face of all disagreeing viewpoints and evidence"? Yes, very based.
They had laws, courts, government, and socially stratified cities. They were just extremely underwhelming cities even by ancient Greek standards, one of the opening points that Thucydides makes in the Pelopponesian War was that anyone who set eyes on the city of Sparta itself would be amazed that such a humble looking city could have exercised power on the international stage. Unlike the aristocrats of most city states who invested in public works to show off their wealth
The Spartans were at core a very spiritually lively and holistic society. They get hatred from liberalists today because they fought against Athenians who had a pseudo democracy and therefore the blind unexamined adoration of liberalists. Also, they did not build so many monuments when compared to several peer city-states so archaeologists for that reason gravitate toward other polities.
They were also race traitors who sold their countrymen out to foreign oligarchs just so they could LARP as invincible warriors for a few more years before a bunch of Theban homos put them down for good. Liberals don't like them but I don't know how anyone who is far right could consider them with anything approaching admiration
>Even by ancient greek standdards.
How dare you I'll have you know while they didn 't have many wonder of the world or where super massive they pretty decent. And Strangely succesful as a civilization despite their size.
I'm just repeating the words of Thucydides who was a hardcore Spartaboo who sent his son to the Spartan agoge. Their archeological record is similarly sparse, just the foundation of a rather modestly sized amphitheater. They had great success early in the classical period but eventually started to rest on their laurels
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>Thucydides who was a hardcore Spartaboo who sent his son to the Spartan agoge.
That was Xenophon.
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You're right, my mistake, I get them mixed up because literally all written records of the Spartans were made by Athenian Spartaboos. Thucydides himself was still a big Spartaboo, considering that letting an Athenian aristocrat like him come observe the Spartan court would have been virtually inconceivable for anyone else, and that should speak to the esteem that Sparta and Thucydides held each other in
Barbarian quite literally meant those who don't speak Greek. Spartans were part of the extremely selective group of people who weren't considered barbarians, unlike the Egyptians, Macedonians, israelites, Scythians, Phoenicians, Lydians, Romans, Iberians, Gauls, etc...
https://i.imgur.com/0CzrUhI.jpg
Were Spartans based or a weird cult?
According to every Greek writer that talked about them, their moral character was by far the most virtuous among the Greeks, quite different from the Athenians who were almost universally condemned as degenerates. Of course, mainland Greece was a hellhole (economically and culturally) compared to the Greek colonies in Southern Italy.
>we ve built a civilization and shiet. >most noteworrthy moment is a homosexual that kills a king and say an evil wizard did it and it was some evil twin shiet.
The Spartans were at core a very spiritually lively and holistic society. They get hatred from liberalists today because they fought against Athenians who had a pseudo democracy and therefore the blind unexamined adoration of liberalists. Also, they did not build so many monuments when compared to several peer city-states so archaeologists for that reason gravitate toward other polities.
They lost more battles than they won and purity spiralled themselves into an oligarchy where even most of the citizens (who made up 5 percent of the population) became peasant tier. Plus they raped little boys
They get more attention than they deserve, because in the Greek micro cosmos they were the only people with a professional soldier class. They weren't anything special.
spartans were a living fossil. since greeks were renowned for their military prowess almost a millennium before they were renowned for their art and philosophy, and since even in the time of Aristotle et al there were other, less significant greek cities operating on the same general model of permanent military camp, it can be conjectured that originally all greek cities functioned like that, extreme militarism and rule of an ethnic elite over the helots who were descended from earlier subjugated people. sparta just preserved it longer than most.
"based" meaning "thing I like"? well that's subjective
"Based" meaning "Vast self-confidence in their outlook in the face of all disagreeing viewpoints and evidence"? Yes, very based.
They were basically barbarians.
They had laws, courts, government, and socially stratified cities. They were just extremely underwhelming cities even by ancient Greek standards, one of the opening points that Thucydides makes in the Pelopponesian War was that anyone who set eyes on the city of Sparta itself would be amazed that such a humble looking city could have exercised power on the international stage. Unlike the aristocrats of most city states who invested in public works to show off their wealth
They were also race traitors who sold their countrymen out to foreign oligarchs just so they could LARP as invincible warriors for a few more years before a bunch of Theban homos put them down for good. Liberals don't like them but I don't know how anyone who is far right could consider them with anything approaching admiration
>Even by ancient greek standdards.
How dare you I'll have you know while they didn 't have many wonder of the world or where super massive they pretty decent. And Strangely succesful as a civilization despite their size.
I'm just repeating the words of Thucydides who was a hardcore Spartaboo who sent his son to the Spartan agoge. Their archeological record is similarly sparse, just the foundation of a rather modestly sized amphitheater. They had great success early in the classical period but eventually started to rest on their laurels
>Thucydides who was a hardcore Spartaboo who sent his son to the Spartan agoge.
That was Xenophon.
You're right, my mistake, I get them mixed up because literally all written records of the Spartans were made by Athenian Spartaboos. Thucydides himself was still a big Spartaboo, considering that letting an Athenian aristocrat like him come observe the Spartan court would have been virtually inconceivable for anyone else, and that should speak to the esteem that Sparta and Thucydides held each other in
aka based. Civilization is bugman tier for the most part
Barbarian quite literally meant those who don't speak Greek. Spartans were part of the extremely selective group of people who weren't considered barbarians, unlike the Egyptians, Macedonians, israelites, Scythians, Phoenicians, Lydians, Romans, Iberians, Gauls, etc...
According to every Greek writer that talked about them, their moral character was by far the most virtuous among the Greeks, quite different from the Athenians who were almost universally condemned as degenerates. Of course, mainland Greece was a hellhole (economically and culturally) compared to the Greek colonies in Southern Italy.
were they the ones with the gay soldiers?
Persians were more based than Spartans. They built a functioning civilization. Despite what Frank Miller claims.
>we ve built a civilization and shiet.
>most noteworrthy moment is a homosexual that kills a king and say an evil wizard did it and it was some evil twin shiet.
The Spartans were at core a very spiritually lively and holistic society. They get hatred from liberalists today because they fought against Athenians who had a pseudo democracy and therefore the blind unexamined adoration of liberalists. Also, they did not build so many monuments when compared to several peer city-states so archaeologists for that reason gravitate toward other polities.
Athenians were globohomosexual 0.99a
Their method of taking direct control of their league of 'allies' over the years seems to be the EU playbook
They lost more battles than they won and purity spiralled themselves into an oligarchy where even most of the citizens (who made up 5 percent of the population) became peasant tier. Plus they raped little boys
They get more attention than they deserve, because in the Greek micro cosmos they were the only people with a professional soldier class. They weren't anything special.
they were gay eugenicists and gentiles
What happened to the Spartans between the persian wars and their fall?
very little records survive of that period.
spartans were a living fossil. since greeks were renowned for their military prowess almost a millennium before they were renowned for their art and philosophy, and since even in the time of Aristotle et al there were other, less significant greek cities operating on the same general model of permanent military camp, it can be conjectured that originally all greek cities functioned like that, extreme militarism and rule of an ethnic elite over the helots who were descended from earlier subjugated people. sparta just preserved it longer than most.