Well this is the best poet I've read so far in my life. I've only read a couple so give me recs for who's better. I routinely get chills from his verse. Can't wait to read him in French.
Well this is the best poet I've read so far in my life.
Well this is the best poet I've read so far in my life. I've only read a couple so give me recs for who's better. I routinely get chills from his verse. Can't wait to read him in French.
Every picture I saw of this guy has him looking like he's really high.
He looks kind of weepy in that pic. Maybe weak eyes.
WAKE THE FUCK UP FRANCE
In France he is no person
Anon in another thread listed a bunch of symbolists, maybe a dozen and I know there are still more. But my understanding is that Mallarme is highly influential.
Thanks I'll circle back to Yeats, haven't gone through his work systemically. Been trying to branch out in English but can't find too much I really love.
Not sure I have one yet, I'm about 1/3 through this translation. Almost every poem has made an impact from the start, like Ill Fortune, Futile Petition, The Windows, The Flowers, Renewal.
Thanks for the recs. I was reading about Trakl earlier this year.
Loo
You'd probably enjoy Yeats. Get picrel and read it in order, it's really compelling seeing his poetry evolve over the decades. The plays are great too but more divisive.
I agree. My favorite poet, nothing is comparable. What's your favorite poem so far ?
Thanks for the reference, OP. I can not say that I've heard of him before, or that I know of any of his works, poetry, or style. I found a few videos which I'll list below. Thanks again.
>New Poetic Visions: Stéphane Mallarmé
>The Poetry of Stephane Mallarme
If you like French symbolism you might also enjoy German expressionism. I recommend Benn & Trakl.
So you have only read three poets in your entire life so far, you retarded monolingual
Moron
Leave this board you low IQ chimp.
Nah, that’s you, m8. Can’t imagine just discovering Mallarmé in late-2023 and making this post lol
Did it occur to you that OP might be young you drooling third world chimp. Now off yourself, you're ruining the board.
Whinging imbeciles like (You) (OP) are “ruining” this board with your entry-level homosexualry by writing absolute retardation, such as
> Well this is the best poet I've read so far in my life. I've only read a couple so give me recs for who's better. I routinely get chills from his verse. Can't wait to read him in French
Only a dimwit would defend this. Off to poebbit with you until you can (1) actually read fucking French; and (2) you have read more than 50 books in your entire cretinous life, pleb
If you had an IQ above 90 you would have realized by now that you're not talking to the OP.
Uhhh huh, whatever you say ~OP. Imagine getting so buttblasted that you felt personally attacked. KWAB.
I hope you feel better after spewing your bile and wasting everyone's time ITT while contributing nothing. Sub-90IQ thirdie chimps find this gratifying, I know.
Other than being monolingual, what's got you hurting so bad? I've read many poets but I surely can't be expected to have canvassed every single one of note as of any given moment.
I've read deeply of the English Romantics, English sonneteers, Petrarch, Leopardi, Baudelaire, H.D., and more I wouldn't be able to summon off the top of my head let alone a broad smattering of countless other poetry, classical, modern, and contemporary.
I remember really liking almost everything by him although it's been a while since I read through it start to finish. The sonnets in particular are sublime, his writing is just intoxicating, although ultimately perhaps a little over-specialized and ephemeral. Outside of the other French fin de siecle poets, and perhaps some of the later developments in the same language, I'm having a difficult time coming up with stuff that's really similar. Modernism obviously took some important stuff from "A throw of the dice", but his overall decadent/delirious mode has not been very significantly reproduced in English afaik. The Bacchic elements exist in the Beats, but they lack the more detached/refined sensibility that sets off the frenzy so satisfyingly.
>anon is dreaming that he's in a 19th-century Oxbridge classics department again
Wake up anon, you're on fucking LULZ. Larping as if it's infinitely better than it is is nothing more than the quickest way to make it even worse.
I'm speaking colloquially, you take yourself too seriously.
Mallarme was heavily influenced by Wagner, like most Symbolists, and felt the pressure of living up to the Gesamtkunstwerk with verse alone. For an intro to Wagner see his The Music of the Future, written as an introduction to his ideas for the French public, and Baudelaire's Richard Wagner et Tannhauser a Paris. These two texts formed the basis of Symbolism. The aim to blend music with verse, conjure synesthetic impressions, create the 'ultimate artwork', invoke primordial images, go to the extremity of aesthetic sensitivity, is all prefigured in Wagner. For Wagner's own verse Lohengrin and Tristan are probably most exemplary for their influence on the Symbolists.
>Lohengrin, son of Parcival, descends from the boat, clad in silver armor, helmet on his head, shield on his shoulder, a small golden trunk at his side, leaning on his sword. “If I win for you,” said Lohengrin to Elsa, “do you want me to be your husband?... Elsa, if you want me to be called your husband..., you must make me a promise: you will never question me, you will never try to know from what countries I come, nor what is my name and my nature." And Elsa: “Never, lord, will you hear this question from me." And, as Lohengrin solemnly repeats the formula of the promise, Elsa responds: “My shield, my angel, my savior! You who firmly believe in my innocence, could there be a more criminal doubt than not having faith in you? As you defend me in my distress, so I will faithfully keep the law that you impose on me." And Lohengrin, hugging her, cries: “Elsa, I love you!" There is a beauty of dialogue there as is frequently found in Wagner's dramas, all soaked in primitive magic, all enhanced by ideal feeling, and whose solemnity in no way diminishes the natural grace.
Hearing the following music accompany the scene described by Baudelaire will give you some sense of the Gesamtkunstwerk's significance to the Symbolists:
Right now, it’s Marvell and Poe for me.
>(...)then Worms shall try
>That long preserv'd Virginity:
>And your quaint Honour turn to dust;
>And into ashes all my Lust.
Good rec, I've never read Marvell.
You describe it well, he seemed to be operating on his own level. His lines are a phantasmagoria of synaesthetic images that are grammatically coherent and still retain a thematic cohesiveness across the whole poem (a credit to the translation as well).
Good recs in this thread, I have a lot of leads to pick up on but it seems like I just can't learn French fast enough.
>it seems like I just can't learn French fast enough
Don't get discouraged, it's very doable and obviously very rewarding - for Mallarme especially, he does some crazy stuff with rhyme/assonance in poems like "Prose for des Esseintes". Though I agree that the Oxford edition's translation is impressive and has particular beauties of its own. I do think he's not totally unique in the sense that he's part of a recognizable French decadent/aesthete tradition, but the other similar authors can be linked to him by being directly associated with the same movements or actually being associated irl directly or indirectly - and within that tradition, speaking more precisely, he does have his own niche for sure. Valery is one that might be worth mentioning as having a similarly gracefully-detached manner, though very different in a lot of ways and not really primarily a poet.
Stefan George
Also, Mallarmé's English language disciple seems to have been an Australian, Christopher Brennan
If you like him, you'll probably like Li-He, William Blake (especially his prophecies), Clark Ashton Smith, Algernon Charles Swinburne, Gerard Manley Hopkins, Whitman, and as other anons said, Marvell and Poe.
Random list, I'm not a fan of Blake or Whitman and Poe is good but I don't see how any of their styles are similar, but okay I'll visit or revisit everyone mentioned itt. I have enough threads to pull on now for all of 2024. Surprised to see so many people knowledgeable about poetry.
If I can, I would like to recommend these two for the gentlemen in thread:
>Winter Solstice : From "A Dream of Angus Oge" by George William Russell
>Martin Heidegger – The Thinker as Poet (1947)