we went from "gender(not sex) is a social construct" to "sex is a vibe"

we went from "gender(not sex) is a social construct" to "sex is a vibe"

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    you have to be blind to disagree with this

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Tell that to biologists to treat biological sex as a vibe instead of defining male and female according to the casual processes that give rise to them

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Causal*

        Intersex people exist. There are XY, XX and XXY people with functioning veganas and penises. It's literally scientifically bankrupt to act like gender is exclusively binary. It's 'mostly' binary, with some exceptions.

        This has literally nothing to do with wether people should be allowed to not conform to their birth sex. This is just a good faith scientific discussion in assuming.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That’s like using people with missing or extra legs to claim humans aren’t bipedal, these are deformations

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No, it's like using people with 0,1, or 3 legs as proof that we can't just design societal systems that rely on someone having exactly 2 legs. Should we design everything for right handed people and leave the lefties to die?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            "Humans are bipedal" is actually a shortening of "Humans are generally bipedal"
            If you said "all people have two legs" you would be wrong

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Humans are bipedal though you moron.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            this is literally the definition of semantics.

            I refuse to believe people are actually so moronic to hate the idea of transgender people because HURR DURR MUH DICTIONARY.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You realize people, especially on this board, will hate anyone and anything because 'hurr durr muh dictionary', right?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            DEVINE AGP CORRECTLY RIGHT NOW

            CHALLENGE LEVEL: IMPOSSIBLE

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >there are people who deviate from the norm therefore sex is a vib
          How about we categorize people as male, female and intersex? Most tranners are not intersex when it comes to their genetic makeup even though intersex people exist.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          A few exceptions arising due to faulty processes doesn't suddenly make sex bayesian or whatever lmao
          There's no other generalization as safe as this

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >there are people who deviate from the norm therefore sex is a vib
            How about we categorize people as male, female and intersex? Most tranners are not intersex when it comes to their genetic makeup even though intersex people exist.

            Weird how I got two responses on opposite ends of the spectrum. I'll just say, yes I view some trannies as essential being intersexed because their is strong indication of GD having developmental origins in the research.

            Personally I agree that 'sex is a vibe', which makes sense. Sex is a generalization that does not cover all cases. Trans people are an edge case and thus get treated differently by society, hopefully by being given gender affirming care and the option to assimilate into society as best the can as their identified gender.

            Having the biological knowledge of how sex hormones work on the body we can actually induce an 'intersex' state as treatment. A transwoman may be XY, but still have many secondary sex characteristics of a phenotypical XX person. In this case they are very much like an XY intersex woman, and much closer to being 'sexed' as a woman.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So trannies who dont have those secondary sex characteristics are fake trans? So ur a truscum

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They aren't 'sexed' female. Nothing wrong with people id'ing however they want. Obviously passoids will be read as female by more people than non passoids.

            What I wrote is in the context of OPs post, which is about how gender is read 'automatically'. The reality of caring strongly about passing or not passing when you are trying to conform to the gender binary is something that not every trans person experiences and that's ok.

            If you are asking me if non HRT trannies are 'sexed' female from a biological perspective I give you a 1-800-COMEONNOW.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, there's like a dozen different things you can use to determine "sex category" and Karyotype is a pretty shitty one because there are a bunch of outliers.

          It depends what you're trying to determine. The most sensible to me if you're talking "biologically", as people love to claim to be, is to determine someones capability to provide the material for sexual reproduction.

          Since we're talking about "Biological Sex", this should really be what matters. If you can provide functional sperm and fertilize eggs you fit in the "male" sex category, if you have functional eggs and they can be fertilized you fit in the "female" sex category, and if you do not fit into either of these you go into the "uncategorised" group because your "biological sex" has no function pertaining to sexual reproduction and is therefore irrelevant.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Since we're talking about "Biological Sex", this should really be what matters
            agree, there should be 4 legal biological sexes
            >donor: donates genetic material
            >incubator: incubates donated material with own material
            >nurse: post-natal nutrition provider
            >void: no sexual reproductive function available

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Ah, yes, the classic intersex argument. Someone with 45 XO intersex chromosomes are not an additional biological sex for the same reason 47 XXY down syndrome is not an additional sex. All intersex conditions affect either the male or female developmental pathway, and it's simply not possible to make the "sex is a spectrum and not a binary" argument without including literal morons in your definition. Don't let the 'intersex' term mislead you into thinking it's possible to be between sexes; this is an archaic term that's since been replaced with disorders of sexual development, so understand that you're misappropriating serious medical conditions and attempting to argue that they're part of normal healthy development

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think anyone is claiming Men with Klinefelter's or whatever are a different sex, that's not the actual argument. Yes intersex conditions are confitions which affect the male and female developmental pathways that's not being denied. The argument is that those differences in development can often lead to outcomes where classifying the individual into one or the other sex becomes difficult. Women with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome are the classical example, they are technically males who, because of a mutation of the androgen receptor gene, develop female primary sex characteristics in the womb and female secondary sex characteristics during puberty, still, saying that they are "males", or worse "men", because they technically would be so if something didn't go "wrong" in their genetics is absurd. This is why the "sex as a spectrum" framework is useful, it allows you to address these nuances. The only way to define sex in a strict binary without being a redictionist moron is by defining it based exclusively on reproductive role, so gametes, which ironically is self defeating if you're a transphobe, if sex is exclusively defined by gametes, to the exclusion of secondary sex characteristics like muscle mass, you cannot argue that sex matters when it comes to things like sports, after all there is nothing that makes people who produce sperm inherently stronger than people who produce eggs, people who produce sperm simply tend to follow a developmental path that makes them likely to be stronger. Also, "healthy" or "unhealthy" are human medical constructs, nature has no intentionality, the only reason the typical "male" and "female" developmental pathways are dominant to the exclusion of other "disordered" pathways is because they are more likely to reproduce, that's it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You conveniently didn't address any of my points and just went on a rant. If a 'man' can have a naturally developed vegana by what the body naturally produces the very idea of primary sex characteristics goes out the window. Obviously these are developmental disorders that are exceptions to the norm. For many trans people GD is also the result of developmental disorders. One type of intersex does not preclude another. If an XY intersex woman can have a functioning vegana and breast but cannot produce sex cells even if their 'DNA' is male (which is kind of a dumb thing to say) their actual physical sex characteristics are female. Doctors literally frick up handling intersex babies all the time. It's not this clear distinction you are claiming it is, and are claiming that to protect your agenda.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            oh sweet a post starting with
            >ahh hmmm yess well you see
            >*the most moronic shit you've ever heard*
            autism is brutal

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            i don't think you understand what "spectrum" means. funny considering it seems like you're on the autism spectrum yourself.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Intersex people are variations of male and female, not some secret third sex. There are literally only two gametes that can be carried

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            And?? A trans person is also some variation of male and female. So is everyone. I don't see how it's relevant to 'sex being a vibe'.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You can't use the ability to make sex cells the basis of sex because there are completely infertile people who never in their life will make one. Infertile people can cleanly be sexed in one way.

            You can't use genitals as the basis of all sex because both XX and XY people can have functioning genitals.

            You can't use secondary sex characteristics because humans are very diverse and people will just naturally have wide hips as a man or go bald with a cromagnon brow as a woman.

            You can't use DNA because genetically intersexed people exist and many intersex people don't even realize they are intersex for decades because they fit so cleanly into the sex binary.

            It's very obvious when you learn even to a 10 grade life science level that there are going to be exceptions and edge cases to what is normally a binary, practically a binary. But it is objectively not a binary. There is no trait that is exclusively male or female. People can have both or neither of any of these traits, NATURALLY. If you are religious then God designed people this way. If you are a scientist you can observe individuals who cannot be cleanly sexed.

            Sex is MOSTLY a binary, which is very practical for 95% of people. But that 5% are not going to cleanly fit, and that 5% requires to successfully assimilate into society is usually a very basic level of respect and courtesy and maybe some very cheap drugs. In extreme cases, corrective cosmetic surgery.

            All social conflict in this issue could literally be resolved by just being a kind, forgiving and patient person.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >All social conflict in this issue could literally be resolved by just being a kind, forgiving and patient person.
            The trans debate would have been settled ages ago if trans people universally were able to successfully look the part. It's politics based on aesthetics

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I disagree. Some of the most vicious hate is sent towards the most passing trans people. This is why there are (admittedly psychotic) people who genuinely believe there should be genital inspections for shit like 8th grade basketball.

            Ugly non passers are upsetting to transphobes, stealthily are instead genuinely terrifying.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        biologists are lame ass homies anyway literally the worst STEM degree

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The good thing is biology is moving away from substance ontology to process ontology thanks to these lunatics.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        they're not talking about biology, they're talking about the average person. how the average person reads sex is based on vague traits your brain reads subconsciously, not deductive reasoning. you don't think very hard when you sex/gender people.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Nta but if you look at the full thread she's talking about biology and blaming scientific institutions for trying to rigidly define sex too.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            now that i think about it that makes sense too, another anon said "it's like using people born without legs as evidence that humans aren't bipedal" which isn't a fair comparison because intersex isn't a disability or deformation. that'd be like saying animals that are hermaphrodites are deformations. obviously having no legs would leave you at a disadvantage but being slightly inbetween the sexes would not. being intersex doesn't necessarily make you infertile either, there's plenty of cases of people with both ovarian and testicular tissue who can give birth or impregnate. i think all of these arguments would be very silly if at some point in the distant future, humans evolve towards hermaphroditism.

      • 1 year ago
        bagel

        obviously true. keep coping

        damn that's crazy i wonder how those causal processes are consolidated into a single unity, i wonder if it might be through fuzzy logic and indiscrete categories

        A few exceptions arising due to faulty processes doesn't suddenly make sex bayesian or whatever lmao
        There's no other generalization as safe as this

        >A few exceptions
        exceptions which inform us about the nature of biological sex and how it's not reducible to binaries or spectrums

        The good thing is biology is moving away from substance ontology to process ontology thanks to these lunatics.

        based

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >it's another example of ugly hons saying dumb shit in pretentious language

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      passes as middle aged uggoid though, not really hon

      though would like to see how bad it's without makeup

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Twitter
    >Opinion

    I've seen vomit shapes that have more intellectual value than this

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >sex is Bayesian
    What they're describing is not Bayesian. It's a fine enough point ruined by trying to sound smart.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Idk what the girl said but she's a 10/10 tbh

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    cringe

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    She makes me sad because she's a 10/10 girl and I want to be better looking and smarter and she's so perfect

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Sex is Bayesian, not axiomatic
    ???

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The anti logic dumbasses are at it again

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    At this point just call everything subjective.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      yes, actually

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        schizo

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >nooo you have to put everything into black and white boxes or you're a schizo

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >noooo you need to be attracted to me, bro, it's a fuzzy line

  11. 1 year ago
    dumbslutprincess

    I don't understand what she means but sex is also a social construct

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    She was jacking off to troony porn when she thought of this

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Do you think this girl would make out with me

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I've seen her naked and I wasn't trying just follow and interact with her on Twitter.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          She seems like the perfect person to me ... Maybe I'll make a Twitter with an anime girl because she's really really perfect to me

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Just use your actual human face like a normal person and become one of her reply girls. This is how like 30% of t4t relationships begin.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I don't want to use my real face I hate social media

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Well you'll do better if you do. You don't have to you can just have good posts

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I legit think she's beautiful

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Then talk to her

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe... She'd probably get weirded out if I made account just to say hi..

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Do you think she would like me

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, unironically. Implied in the statement "gender is a social construct" is "however sex is biological and not a construct". The redpill is that both of them are constructs, it's just that magic authority science men constructed the "sex" one hundreds of years ago during the renaissance or some shit and you don't question the base assumption.

    Intersex people challenge the idea that sex, like gender, is also a social construct for a bunch of physical characteristics we have agreed are male or female. They have surgeries forced upon them to fit them into the sex construct. You can take hormones or have procedures to change those characteristics from one to another until you basically have to become a chromosome fundamentalist to justify a vibe for an imagined "sex essence", which is obviously moronic.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    anyone in this thread pretending gender or sex are real please explain to me why straight men are attracted to femboys, and gay men are not.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      gender is obviously a social construct, but sex is definitely has biological rootings that can fit on a spectrum but is absolutely still grounded in objective reality

      to answer your attempt at constructing a conundrum, its simply that separating attraction into same sex vs opposite sex by society was the most moronic way of doing it.

      androphilia-gynephilia spectrum encompasses this: straight men are attracted to femininity by default and femboys obviously make a point of coming across as feminine as possible, while gay men are repulsed by femininity. if you think gay men would be attracted to someone whose whole personality and sexual strategy is centered around accenuating femininity, you're just regurgitating the idiotic same vs opposing sex attraction concept that society clings onto

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        okay but at that point what's the purpose of the concept of sex? like which useful distinction can you make that isn't just "where among the bimodal distribution of human flavours do you exist"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          oh I agree, the only real purpose of sex is in specific medical situations where it does matter, but socially, it doesnt unless for strictly reproductive capacity lmao

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >gender is a social construct
    can we stop with this moronic meme? if you could just "socially construct" dysphoria away, trans people wouldn't exist.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Gender identity and gender aren't the same thing

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I mean it IS all in your head. Your perception of yourself, just like anyone else's is subjective and not objective. That doesn't mean that your perception of yourself being separate from your physical self makes wanting to reconcile the two any less valid.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      money is a social construct and yet it still matters. dumb take. gender as a social construct explains, for example, why some things are intensely dysphoric to one trans person and not at all to another.

      >but that removes my transmed argument for trans acceptance!
      boo hoo

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        they tried to push the transmed argument and anti-trans reactionaries still don't care. they don't think it's necessary, and they don't think GD is real. they have an agenda and an ideology and when they look for arguments they are not doing so in good faith

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        just because gender dysphoria manifests in everyone differently, doesn't mean it's entirely socially constructed. i've had dysphoria since at least age 8, and i'm 100% sure i still would even if gender roles didn't exist.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          you managed to conflate gender dysphoria, gender, and gender roles within one sentence. anyway, the interpretation that you wouldnt be dysphoric (or that transitioning wouldnt be valid) is not actually held by gender abolitionists, so theres no need to rail against it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            normally i use "gender" to refer to gender identity rather than gender roles.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            i hate how people think gender abolitionists are anti-transition or think that dysphoria isn't real because not a single ga i've talked to has ever expressed that sentiment, in fact most of them are dysphoric and trans themselves

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yea it's really annoying. A lot of GA adopt enby identities because gender is observably toxic and get flak because they don't change their presentation. Don't haters know you can be comfortable with your body end sympathize with others needs too right?

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why do hons try an act like other hons are not ugly hons? I can see your five-o'clock shadow a mile away.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's true. Biological sex doesn't exist.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      this is exactly why I'm against post-op trannies. If biological sex doesn't exist, then you don't get gubmint moneys for wanting different sex equipment. Say you're a woman and stop whining about the medical system then

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    sex is binary, expression of primary and secondary sex characteristics are bimodal. it's both incredibly simple and extremely complicated at the same time

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >twatter screenshot

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The problem is when people evaluate some no-effort hon’s sex and think to themselves
    >hmm, that person may be wearing women’s clothing but my brain still clearly registers them as male, so I guess they’re male
    and so said hon goes
    >WAIT NNNNOOOOO YOU EVALUATED WRONG!!!!!!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I am a transwoman and I have never understood acting surprised when you don't pass. Trans people read gender the same way as everyone else. You look at someone and your brain puts them in a category. It's very rare to meet someone actually of ambiguous gender. If you get someone's gender wrong it's not a malicious thing. I mean it can be plenty of people hate trannies but most 'misgendering' is just how humans work. Oh well, correct them and move on.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >sex is Bayesian

    What the frick does this even mean?

    My best guess is that she thinks that someone's sex is immutable but you might lack to necessary information to determine it.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We evolved to understand literally everything that way. Literally everything is a vibe.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    this person doesn't know what bayesian means and as a biologist, this is an incorrect viewpoint.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This is where the wild Transbian (former chaser) says something stupid about biology so other transbians will accept her as a real trans woman, not an evil cissoid.

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Quite obvious this thing is larping as an anon complimenting itself and posting it on twitter. You're fricking ugly

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Omg she noticed me?!? UwU I'm kinda hot my heart is literally fluttering rn

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        did you dm her yet anon??

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          nooo I prolly won't I saw the comments on her thread on Twitter and I'm wayyy to shy for that... Maybe later she's smart and pretty

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            absolutely should dm her though anon

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            how come..

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            she said so!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            way too nervous but I can admire from afar and think about her...idek what she's saying but I like smart pretty people

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            well i think that's a bit disappointing, she explicitly invited you to dm her and i think you really should, but if you dont want to that's fine too!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sorry..

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you dont need to apologize to me, im just some random anon
            you and her are the two people missing out here, im just looking

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            she has so many popular pretty girls after her I'll just hold her up on a pedestal in my mind she's amazing

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm going to DM her instead and pretend I'm you.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Do it coward

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Also leave her alone pls she's an angel

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Omg she noticed me?!? UwU I'm kinda hot my heart is literally fluttering rn

      Also leave her alone pls she's an angel

      this legit made my day I hope Cassie has a good night <3 so pretty..

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SEX IS THE GENDERING OF THE BODY

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >sex is bayesian
    new Eliezer Yudkowsky quote just dropped

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes keep hyper analyzing and defining everything to the tiniest fraction and then make non contradicting rules to give it legitimacy. That's not crazy at all. Fire up the trans hadron collider at once

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This is my first visit on /LGBT/. It's my last one as well. Stay healthy folks. Have fun with going through your dialectic phase in life. This man single handedly birthed our modern world illness yet only time will pull you out of the Aufhebung.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot picture.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        oh him yeah he's a bit silly

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