Even if "Elohim" later became a respectful address to the singular Yahweh, it obviously originally wasn't in the context of the Genesis narrative. There is no doubt creation was originally performed by the collective of gods, and that these were referred to as elohim. It's more likely that this form of address was developed by association from this.
In fact to expand on this, I can imagine that "elohim" were referred to in popular speech in a number of generic phrases etc(by the Nine Divines, assault), so that the practice continued with the gradual transition to monotheism, with the word just becoming reinterpreted accordingly.
This doesn't quite make sense though because in ancient Yahwist religion and contemporaneous Canaanite and Mesopotamian religion singular gods within the pantheons might be referred to individually as elohim, even though everyone clearly agrees the likes of Baal or Ishtar or Moloch or Chemosh are separate entities. Additionally, individual angels are referred to with plurals - A seraphim, A cherubim, TWO cherubims, a HOST of seraphims. Thus the question raised isn't whether there are any other elohims besides Yahweh, but whether there is any elohim LIKE Yahweh.
It's neither Royal We (the Royal We is more modern, it's not attested in BC times)
And it's not monotheism
It's God talking to the servant angels of his assembly.
16 The king said to him, “How many times must I make you swear to tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord?”
17 Then Micaiah answered, “I saw all Israel scattered on the hills like sheep without a shepherd, and the Lord said, ‘These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.’”
18 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Didn’t I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?”
19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
24 Then Zedekiah son of Kenaanah went up and slapped Micaiah in the face. “Which way did the spirit from[a] the Lord go when he went from me to speak to you?” he asked.
25 Micaiah replied, “You will find out on the day you go to hide in an inner room.”
Unironically, what is the most common Christian/Muslim explanation for Old Testament God clearly being a violent Bronze Age God who's the patron deity of a single ethnicity and acts completely differently from his New Testament/Quran counterpart and other Old Testament inconsistencies with what came after?
>Christian
God has schizophrenia, one of his other personalities was acting up back then, but my genocidal totalitarian war god is still omnibenevolent >Muslim
Everything is gigacorrupted and manipulated by israelites, completely invalid, lalala
Jesus is warning everyone of eternal torment for a large portion of the NT, clearly you've never read it very deeply. The warm and fuzzy Jesus is a manmade invention, God is patient and forgiving but will ultimately not withhold justice
you are wrong, that god (in the bible) is always the provider of the light that brings good things
its man that forgets that light doesnt belong to him and turns it into something wicked
when moses established the ten commandments, was he being fair?
when he established the sabbath and told people to leave the fields for the poor and the foreigners, was he just?
when he told israelites to cling onto god to get out egypt he was being righteous
when he built the ark of the covenant he acted in inconsequence, practically building a golden bull but loopholing it into morality (like those who bend the law of god do)
the bible teaches you how to be righteous and just, you learn from the good and the bad so you dont have to suffer that in life
but since you never read it youll just go tumbling around and blaming everyone but you for making those decisions
The bible teaches that mold is leper, that whales are fish, that you should force your wife to drink a potentially abortive drink in order to check if she cheated on you, and that bearmancy is OK when you're being bullied by your chrome dome.
thats what YOU got of it, it only shows how capable YOU are of understanding
theres a reason its been so influential, youre just filtered. thats why youre a normie and live the life of a npc
2 years ago
Anonymous
Half of that is on Leviticus and Deuteronomy, which describe a set of rules. This is not up to interpretation.
>The bible teaches that mold is leper,
What? Never heard this one >that whales are fish
They are because they swim in the ocean. Just because now we classify animals differently doesn't make the Bible le wrong. Same with how it says a spider has hands (probably 4 arms and 4 legs) or insects having four legs (the front two being arms) >should force your wife to drink a potentially abortive drink in order to check if she cheated on you
No it doesn't
>and that bearmancy is OK when you're being bullied by your chrome dome.
Yes.
>What? Never heard this one
Leviticus 14. >They are because they swim in the ocean. Just because now we classify animals differently doesn't make the Bible le wrong. Same with how it says a spider has hands (probably 4 arms and 4 legs) or insects having four legs (the front two being arms)
Whales are not fish dude, that's calling dogs cats. I'm not being pedantic over terms, because the phrase "that live on the sea" (or water for this purpose) is different from either one. >No it doesn't
It's not explicit, but what are the alternatives if you do suspect she's cheating and you want to be sure, past her testimony? It's going to the priest which is going to tell you that. >Yes.
Based.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Half of that is on Leviticus and Deuteronomy, which describe a set of rules. This is not up to interpretation.
i dont really care to enlighten you
have fun with the mold thing, maybe marvel movies are more your speed
>The bible teaches that mold is leper,
What? Never heard this one >that whales are fish
They are because they swim in the ocean. Just because now we classify animals differently doesn't make the Bible le wrong. Same with how it says a spider has hands (probably 4 arms and 4 legs) or insects having four legs (the front two being arms) >should force your wife to drink a potentially abortive drink in order to check if she cheated on you
No it doesn't
>and that bearmancy is OK when you're being bullied by your chrome dome.
Yes.
monotheismbros...it's over. paganchuds were right all the way...
People do that in modern English
"Gies" a shortening of "give us" despite the speaker only talking about themselves.
>Gies
what
who says that
Millions of people just look it up
It's really not a word that humans say, sorry
Royal We.
Even if "Elohim" later became a respectful address to the singular Yahweh, it obviously originally wasn't in the context of the Genesis narrative. There is no doubt creation was originally performed by the collective of gods, and that these were referred to as elohim. It's more likely that this form of address was developed by association from this.
In fact to expand on this, I can imagine that "elohim" were referred to in popular speech in a number of generic phrases etc(by the Nine Divines, assault), so that the practice continued with the gradual transition to monotheism, with the word just becoming reinterpreted accordingly.
This doesn't quite make sense though because in ancient Yahwist religion and contemporaneous Canaanite and Mesopotamian religion singular gods within the pantheons might be referred to individually as elohim, even though everyone clearly agrees the likes of Baal or Ishtar or Moloch or Chemosh are separate entities. Additionally, individual angels are referred to with plurals - A seraphim, A cherubim, TWO cherubims, a HOST of seraphims. Thus the question raised isn't whether there are any other elohims besides Yahweh, but whether there is any elohim LIKE Yahweh.
paganbros, we won
monotroonys can go and cope and hang themselves on the problem of evil
It's neither Royal We (the Royal We is more modern, it's not attested in BC times)
And it's not monotheism
It's God talking to the servant angels of his assembly.
16 The king said to him, “How many times must I make you swear to tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord?”
17 Then Micaiah answered, “I saw all Israel scattered on the hills like sheep without a shepherd, and the Lord said, ‘These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.’”
18 The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Didn’t I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?”
19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
24 Then Zedekiah son of Kenaanah went up and slapped Micaiah in the face. “Which way did the spirit from[a] the Lord go when he went from me to speak to you?” he asked.
25 Micaiah replied, “You will find out on the day you go to hide in an inner room.”
it's not polytheism I mean
>It's God talking to the servant angels of his assembly.
it is god talking to his angels but ill translate this to normie language
its god (consciousness/creator of reality) talking to his angels (humans capable of submitting the self)
That part is a metaph- I mean it's allegorical
Unironically, what is the most common Christian/Muslim explanation for Old Testament God clearly being a violent Bronze Age God who's the patron deity of a single ethnicity and acts completely differently from his New Testament/Quran counterpart and other Old Testament inconsistencies with what came after?
>Christian
God has schizophrenia, one of his other personalities was acting up back then, but my genocidal totalitarian war god is still omnibenevolent
>Muslim
Everything is gigacorrupted and manipulated by israelites, completely invalid, lalala
>acts completely differently from his New Testament/Quran counterpar
Well that's just not true. Have you read the book of Revelation?
Jesus is warning everyone of eternal torment for a large portion of the NT, clearly you've never read it very deeply. The warm and fuzzy Jesus is a manmade invention, God is patient and forgiving but will ultimately not withhold justice
you are wrong, that god (in the bible) is always the provider of the light that brings good things
its man that forgets that light doesnt belong to him and turns it into something wicked
when moses established the ten commandments, was he being fair?
when he established the sabbath and told people to leave the fields for the poor and the foreigners, was he just?
when he told israelites to cling onto god to get out egypt he was being righteous
when he built the ark of the covenant he acted in inconsequence, practically building a golden bull but loopholing it into morality (like those who bend the law of god do)
the bible teaches you how to be righteous and just, you learn from the good and the bad so you dont have to suffer that in life
but since you never read it youll just go tumbling around and blaming everyone but you for making those decisions
The bible teaches that mold is leper, that whales are fish, that you should force your wife to drink a potentially abortive drink in order to check if she cheated on you, and that bearmancy is OK when you're being bullied by your chrome dome.
thats what YOU got of it, it only shows how capable YOU are of understanding
theres a reason its been so influential, youre just filtered. thats why youre a normie and live the life of a npc
Half of that is on Leviticus and Deuteronomy, which describe a set of rules. This is not up to interpretation.
>What? Never heard this one
Leviticus 14.
>They are because they swim in the ocean. Just because now we classify animals differently doesn't make the Bible le wrong. Same with how it says a spider has hands (probably 4 arms and 4 legs) or insects having four legs (the front two being arms)
Whales are not fish dude, that's calling dogs cats. I'm not being pedantic over terms, because the phrase "that live on the sea" (or water for this purpose) is different from either one.
>No it doesn't
It's not explicit, but what are the alternatives if you do suspect she's cheating and you want to be sure, past her testimony? It's going to the priest which is going to tell you that.
>Yes.
Based.
>Half of that is on Leviticus and Deuteronomy, which describe a set of rules. This is not up to interpretation.
i dont really care to enlighten you
have fun with the mold thing, maybe marvel movies are more your speed
>The bible teaches that mold is leper,
What? Never heard this one
>that whales are fish
They are because they swim in the ocean. Just because now we classify animals differently doesn't make the Bible le wrong. Same with how it says a spider has hands (probably 4 arms and 4 legs) or insects having four legs (the front two being arms)
>should force your wife to drink a potentially abortive drink in order to check if she cheated on you
No it doesn't
>and that bearmancy is OK when you're being bullied by your chrome dome.
Yes.
Trinity
>Gods=trinity
Trinity is polytheism then.
Genesis 1:26 says "Gods"? I don't see that there.
3 persons 1 God, I don't see the problem
This is a perfect example of the Trinity.
Yes
Psalm 82
> God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the gods