Stop using Xorg.
>but my obscure tiling WM
No one cares. Use Wayland. Stop holding Linux desktop back.
Wayland is the future
Stop using Xorg.
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>Wayland is the future
>be arch user
>suck IBM corpodick anyway
No thanks I'm not trans
I'll (probably) move when awesomewm gets ported
>but my obscure tiling WM
Sway exists for this on Wayland
I'd really love to see AwesomeWM get a Wayland port, but if I remember correctly there's (something) about the way Awesome is written that makes moving a PITA. Not sure if the devs have any intention of trying.
Extremely stable for myself and many others, for quite some time now.
I legitimately blame fucking Fedora 35 for at least half of the bad rep KDE has with krashing. They shipped their KDE spin with a Wayland default protocol when it was still in fucking ALPHA development from KDE. To make things worse there was another Fedora specific bug at that same time where trying to change to X11 from the login screen wouldn't always work appropriately.
Both MATE and XFCE are working on Wayland ports. Not sure on the ETA for MATE, but XFCE plans to have it in their 4.20 release.
Hopefully it mostly goes smooth.
>Both MATE and XFCE are working on Wayland ports.
What's the current day option if the requirements are GTK and a start menu?
MATE, XFCE, Cinnamon, and Gnome.
I expect Cinnamon to announce a wayland port in development soon if they haven't already. They know it's needed.
Doesn't have a start menu.
Xfce should've died with Xorg.
It's not my favorite but XFCE has it's merits.
Now, if Cinnamon could just properly fix their memory leak bug they've had for 10 years, that'd be awesome. That's turning into the Cinnamon equivalent to the Gnome thumbnail issue. They have a "workaround" enabled by default that just restarts your window manager every time it hits a certain memory cap, but obviously a sloppy solution.
Oh yeah my bad. I put Gnome on the end of my list because it's easily the faggiest of all DE's anyway, it's trash.
How can't they fix it? Can't they debug what is taking up the memory then hunt down that code?
XFCE should have gone back to being a CDE clone/ or a modernized version of CDE especially now that we have a GNOME2 fork with MATE.
Because MATE already exists
>Applel desktop distribution
Every fucking time, it has to become a meme at this point.
nice to see a fellow pedochad.
Im on the same boat. Is there an alternative that does support gayland and is as good as awesomewm?
You will never be a real display server. You have no hardware cursors, you have no xrandr, you have no setxkbmap. You are a toy project twisted by Red Hat and GNOME into a crude mockery of X11’s perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your developers are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “users” laugh at your lack of features behind closed doors.
Linux users are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed them to sniff out defective software with incredible efficiency. Even Wayland sessions that “work” look uncanny and unnatural to a seasoned sysadmin. Your bizarre render loop is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk Arch user home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your high latency due to forced VSync.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the technical debt creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll log into the GitLab instance, select the project, press Delete, and plunge it into the cold abyss. Your users will find the deletion notice, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll remember you as the biggest failure of open source development, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a badly run project has failed there. Your code will decay and go to historical archives, and all that will remain of your legacy is a codebase that is unmistakably poorly written.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
Wayland is not a display server though, it's a protocol
kek, based. Now I need this with Stallman or Linus voice.
I use wayland because I hate women
you just killed OP
>Stop holding Linux desktop back.
Red hat and its products are the ones actively sabotaging the linux desktop
Pipewire, fedora, wayland and flatpaks saved linux
Currently using Arch with xorg-Mate. Have no idea what packages I should start slapping in to get a wayland-something.
MATE doesn't have a full Wayland session yet, but don't worry, MATEbros will be able to join the Wayland master race when the new version is out. It's almost there.
Well I'm not a huge Mate fan, to be honest it's just that I wouldn't know anything else. Used to use Gnome since the year 2000 and just wanted something with a start-menu.
>when the new version is out. It's almost there.
When will that be?
I haven't really seen much progress since the last big update at all in the MATE repos except for bugfixes.
>Using KrashDE on Wayland
I'd rather gouge my own eyes out
Kwin 5.27 is the best Wayland Compositor yet and Plasma 5.27 has best portal implementations across all DE.
>10 years of development
>still buggy shit
>still no hardware cursors
wdym anon? I'm using a hardware cursor right now on sway
It's a fake hardware cursor. It has the same latency as a software cursor. This is because the atomic API is broken by design and does not allow the cursor position to be updated without submitting a new frame.
does zoom work on wayland yet?
the one people need for work or school
Yes, looks like that's been resolved.
No, it's not, it only support screen sharing on gnome wayland
What makes you think it's limited to Gnome lol? The release notes reference Gnome 41 once, otherwise just list the sharing issue as resolved for Wayland.
>What makes you think it's limited to Gnome lol?
Dunno, maybe this fucking disclaimer?
What DE was this on? KDE?
Also I don't have this shit actually installed, I just use Teams like a proper corporate tool.
>I just use Teams like a proper corporate tool
Its standalone client doesn't support screen share on Wayland as well, lol
Microsoft flat out dropped support for and removed the .bin files for Teams on Linux at the start of 2023.
>download page has links to 404s
and since the Chromium team does their job unlike the Electron team, screen sharing even works on the web version now
Yeah, Microdick breaking the official client in Flatpak by 404'ing their own file was my tip-off for that.
Grow some balls and tell them it's shit on Linux and ask if you can share a link instead.
> muh paycheck
Fuck your paycheck I've done it in preparation for interviews, works just fine. If they object it's good to catch those things early.
That's how we know you're unemployed
Get back when you land a job and realize that X is the only display server that matters
I'm a Unix sysadmin thanks for playing though.
I either use no display server at all when I'm at work, or the Wayland protocol at home.
Deal w/ it
No. It breaks shit. Fix it and I'll think about it
Wayland doesn't support nvidia.
More like nvidia doesn't support Linux, lol.
Anyone intending to use Linux should try to get an AMD GPU. I'd imagine even the Intel drivers are/will be better than Nvidia.
Nvidia works fine on x11
>Nvidia works fine on x11
Better than Wayland, but even Nvidia on X11 isn't as good as other GPUs on X11.
Or as another comparison, I'd easily say AMD on Wayland (using KDE/Gnome) is much more stable than Nvidia on X11.
Nvidia on Linux isn't a guaranteed clusterfuck, but just a potential problem to be avoided if possible.
What issue does nvidia have on x11 that amd/intel doesn't have?
>I'd easily say AMD on Wayland (using KDE/Gnome) is much more stable than Nvidia on X11.
AMD on Wayland is not stable. Nothing related to Wayland is stable.
A month or so ago I tried using GNOME Wayland on my AMD card and MULTIPLE TIMES the drivers irrecoverably froze while trying to watch a video in mpv. Needless to say this doesn't happen on Xorg.
NVIDIA has around 70% of the GPU market share, you're not going to convince to get onboard more Linux users by just telling them "Oh just get rid of your 4090 for an AMD GPU" just to run a tranny OS used by 1% of the population. Linux needs less gatekeeping.
> Linux needs less gatekeeping.
Freetards wouldn’t have anything without their gatekeeping.
I'm not, and wouldn't try to tell someone to get rid of their Nvidia card if they already had one. I would however encourage someone who's interested in using Linux to buy an AMD card if they don't already own a different GPU, or the next time they upgrade.
No idea, ask Mint. I think the issue is less with identifying the leak and more with getting it fixed without fucking up a lot of other things.
Intel integrated graphics work better with Wayland than dedicated AMD GPUs actually.
My personal experience has been AMD > Intel > Nfuckia
Both my AMD and Intel pcs have been very stable for over a year now. My Nvidia card was so fucking possessed I ended up selling it to get a 6700xt instead.
Both of them just work, there's no real difference. Intel Arc works too.
Wayland is a protocol, it doesn't support Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Mesa explicitly
What Nvidia doesn't support is API such as GBM which are standard for Linux modern graphics stack in general.
gbm is standard according to whom? according to amd/intel that created it?
>companies that produces most graphics chips are using it
>ALL Wayland compositors are using it
>all open source drivers are using it
But somehow it's not standard because some shitty company with shitty drivers decided to ignore it, lmao ok
Gbm is incompatible with how the existing nvidia driver already works unlike amd/intel. Wayland people want a billion dollar company to listen to them despite gbm not being part of wayland standard. When nvidia finally implemented gbm it's simply a compatibility layer like wine to egl stream.
>Wayland people want a billion dollar company to listen to them
Linux people want this company to listen to them and release driver that work, but unfortunately said company doesn't want to. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/6470
>freetard desktop developers
hmm I wonder who they would be more inclined to listen to.
Nvidia had awful Linux drivers long before ML meme became a thing. Not to mention that Novideo spends 90% of their resources developing gaymen technologies like driver support for DirectX, Vulkan, OpenGL, RTX
lol now this is some sour grapes if I’ve ever seen them before.
Two facts still remain. Nvidia is best for ML and Nvidia works with X11.
>Nvidia is best for ML
>Nvidia works with X11
Works on my machine.
>Works on my machine.
I doubt your machine even have xorg installed, probably some windows kiddo
nope. It’s a box specifically for SD stuff.
>retarded gbm discussion pops up again
Guys, nvidia supports gbm. This is old news.
Like I said, nvidia gbm is just a compatibility layer to egl stream, like wine.
literally who cares about whatever the implementation details are, they bent the knee
Because it is a compatibility layer, it has issues and worse performance. This will always be a fundamental issue for wayland compositors.
that's nvidia's problem not a wayland compositor problem.
It's wayland compositors fault for not using egl streams
Boohoo. Again, NVIDIA bent the knee and implemented GBM. Go complain to them if it sucks.
The problem lies with gayland naggers
>Nvidia did some shit
>Somehow it's protocol designers problem
GBM is part of the protocol now?
Again, no. NVIDIA implemented like shit allegedly. It's their job to fix it.
>Wayland people want a billion dollar company to listen to them despite gbm not being part of wayland standard.
Well they did and that's literally what happened. Cry more.
Did they listen? Seems to me waylanders are still bitching about nvidia.
I don't fucking know about the situation since I don't use that shitty fucking company's hardware (wayland or xorg). However objectively, it is 100% no longer wayland's problem. NVIDIA put patches into mesa and they put support in their driver for this.
So nvidia works with wayland?
Yes, it's supposed to at any rate.
Oh, so you don’t know?
Why are you saying it does if you don’t know? Sounds like the same situation as when you were talking about the hardware cursor that doesn’t work in wayland.
I don't use NVIDIA fuckwit so it's not like I can personally verify it. According to NVIDIA's own documentation however, it is supposed to work.
So why are you answering in the affirmative if you can’t confirm if it works?
You’re literally just parroting information you’ve read elsewhere lol. To the point where you attack people who disagree with this information that you haven’t actually confirmed.
Typical wayland cultist behavior.
I literally don't understand what you are trying to say. Maybe I should repeat myself.
Since 470.63.01, NVIDIA has supported wayland on vulkan.
>Added support for the VK_KHR_wayland_surface extension.
And then since 495.29.05, they have supported GBM (i.e. opengl on wayland).
>You’re literally just parroting information you’ve read elsewhere lol
I'm parroting NVIDIA's official documentation....
Anon. You don’t use nvidia, yet you feel the need to comment (with heavy bias) on nvidia discussion like you’ve been doing ITT.
If you don’t see the issue here, there is no helping you.
>simply explain what NVIDIA themselves officially say
are you okay? Can you formulate something coherent?
>I’m not bias against nvidia when I say their product sucks
>why don’t you trust me when I talk about nvidia??
lol there’s no helping you.
Yes, I personally think NVIDIA sucks absolute donkey dick. But that has literally to do with what the company says the support or not. Are you so low IQ that you can't see that these are separate things? If you simply didn't trust me, you could have acted like a normal person and asked for a citation instead of making borderline incoherent posts.
you’re angry. go take a walk and then come back and I’ll explain to you how your communication skills are terrible.
That's projection. My actual emotion is utter confusion. This is one of the most bizarre interactions I've ever had on this site. I still have no idea what your problem is.
>This is one of the most bizarre interactions I've ever had on this site.
Really? That's surprising. It's been pretty much par for the course since 2015-2016.
anon you’re flinging insults and writing paragraphs like it’s your job. You’re clearly angry.
Go take a walk and consider how terrible your communication skills are.
I've written like 5 sentences at most in a post.
and how many posts so far? In a bait thread no less.
>why are you posting in a thread on LULZ
so where are we going next with this?
so if there was a thread that contributed nothing to the board, you think it’s ok to keep it bumped?
have you tried X? how’s it compare?
I unironically prefer wayland schizo threads to 99% of the crap that's posted on LULZ. I don't care about eceleb shit. I don't care about ai. I don't care about gamer hardware shit, etc. Pretty much anything that's software-related is more enjoyable for me. At least sometimes people talk about the underlying technology here.
>how’s it compare?
I used X for a long time. For some reason when I'm offloading to Nvidia fps locks to refresh rate of my display.
sounds like a setting is getting auto configured based on your display.
I mean on Wayland. On Xorg Nvidia drivers work as intended
Oh well that’s confusing. Isn’t wayland meant to auto configure a stuff like that?
Maybe it’s just not picking up the right info.
I'm using Nvidia laptop with Wayland session and it just works, fuck you
But anon according to this post by the LULZ experts, they shill against nvidia because it doesn’t work in wayland.
Who do I believe???
If I say "me" will that make any sense to you?
No that only makes it more confusing. Are you bipolar? You claim it doesn’t work but then claim it does?
>re you bipolar?
You're on LULZ. 90% of posters are either trannies, mentally ill, ESLs, third-worlders, NEETS, or some combination of the above.
>You claim it doesn’t work but then claim it does?
Because running Wayland session on Nvidia laptop is tricky, I'm running entire session on AMD iGPU and only using Nvidia GPU on demand for OpenGL/Vulkan application. And it still barely works. Image stop being teared only in 525 and offloading Vulkan Wayland application would only be possible in 530 which is not released yet.
wayland doesn't work properly with nvidia unless all you do is browse the web. Try using vscode to work for example, it glitches so much that it's unusable. Alacrity doesn't work properly either. Nvfbc is broken. Mpv issues, no hardware cursor, etc.
I would switch if either IceWM or FVWM would be ported to Wayland.
Call me when screen share is supported, and when Chromium just werks under Wayland.
>Call me when screen share is supported, and when Chromium just werks under Wayland.
Ok what's your number
Old and broken
New and broken
I cant watch vr videos on windows at full resolution without glitches/lag, I can on x11/linux.
If you use VRR you can only have 1 display on X11. You're just a retard. X11 and Wayland are fundamentally broken.
I dont care about VRR, and it does work with multiple monitors if you know what you are doing. I use VR and it's shit for videos on windows. Don't move the goalpost.
VRR objectively does not work on multiple monitors under X11 you lying retard. How the fuck do I know more about shitty Linux than you, a supposed Linux user????
Do you have a single piece of evidence it back up your claim?
Imagine getting btfo by a windowsfag who doesn't use Linux l m a o
That’s not evidence. That’s a claim.
Evidence would be you showing it doesn’t work.
>Noooo not that evidence
I posted evidence, and now you're seething. You got owned by a fucking windowsfag :^)
This is bullshit or outdated. I have 2 monitors in freesync
Not when using X11 you fucking retard
didn't werk for me
He's running in window mode you colossal retard
>no xfce support
>but my obscure tiling WM
And I thought the obscure WMs specifically had a wide Wayland support.
did they add a proper wacom support already?
do your parents know youre gay op?
Of course they know, because his parents are Gnome developers and they abused him.
>Stop using Xorg.
no btw i use arch (with i3)
>Stop holding Linux desktop back.
Wayland compositors are better than Xorg, they're much more power efficient which makes them better for laptops.
Most of X components are already obsolete despite still being part of X server like font rendering and input. Most of commits in X server are dedicated to Xwayland development.
X will never support multi-monitor setups with different refresh rates, futhermore it shit itself under high gpu load scenarios even on multi-monitor setups with same refresh rate. It will never support HDR. Fractional scaling on X is shit and producing graphical artifacts.
Wayland is a future, just because X would stop being maintained. Developers who refuse to support wayland are just hurting Linux desktop in general.
I use multiple displays on xorg with different refresh rates on a daily basis. And anything that runs gnome is definitely NOT saving power LOL
fractional scaling on x11 is better than wayland where it was only recently added and still doesn't work in gnome. Lemme guess, you used kde or gtk applications to see issues with fractional scaling? those are kde and gtk issues. If you use qt applications and a window manager you get perfect fractional scaling, even with multiple days all having different dpi. I also use multiple monitors with different refresh rate and it works fine.
>Wayland is a future
that's what they said about systemd
Well, I guess they're wrong because systemd is a fucking reality for everyone except for a bunch of schizos?
Meanwhile xorg is just a systemd in a world of display servers, but I can't see same schizos whining about how xorg is goes against Unix philosophy.
Because xorg works
And? Systemd works as well and works MUCH better than any shit that competes with it and that was before it, but it still receives its share of hate unlike xorg, which start to work two decades after it was introduced and when developers outsourced all its functions to external libraries and it miraculously start "just working", lel.
> a stop job is running for session 2
OpenRC is much better simply because it has a clear scope.
I don’t use systemd. It’s pointless unless you don’t know how to use your machine.
>X will never support multi-monitor setups with different refresh rates
Mixed refresh rates have been supported for years. Kill yourself.
> they're much more power efficient
Actually no! X11 without a compositor beats Wayland easily because it does force far less GPU wakeups per draw.
Moronix conveniently only tested the very inefficient compositor implementations of GNOME/KDE against their Wayland counterparts.
>X11 without a compositor
Nobody using X11 without compositing, even gaymers
Popular DE's automatically turn the compositor off when fullscreen applications are running. Also, a lot of standalone compositors do this automatically.
>Popular DE's automatically turn the compositor off
Like what? KWin_x11 still compositing in fullscreen if you won't explicitly tell it
I don't run KWin_x11 as a standalone WM, but when using it as part of Plasma, it defaults to "Allow applications to block compositing" in the settings.
I use no compositor on x11
And I play vidya
No tearing either
Thanks to amd I guess
Plenty of people do.
I use Xorg with no compositor. I enable TearFree when watching Youtube, and otherwise enjoy the lower latency.
you will only take xorg from my cold dead hands
You'll dump it yourself when its half-rotten corpse starts to smell bad.
interesting how Wayland enthusiasts literally threaten to break xorg to get people to switch over.
Interesting formulation for xorg developers and maintainers
So you confirm xorg devs are literally planning to break the project to get people to swap to their new project.
Typical behavior of the free and open source community.
Anyone with common sense would understand that you should at least offer feature parity before threatening to shutter the project everyone relies on. But we all know they are doing it to shift everyone over to Wayland so the collective pains of the community saves them development time.
>you should at least offer feature parity
Wayland COMPOSITORS would NEVER offer feature parity with Xorg because that what Wayland protocol was developed for, you simply don't fully understand what features X server still provides.
All features that are not part of display rendering (screen sharing, network transparency) must be outsourced to different applications such as portals.
So what you’re saying is wayland can’t replace X unless a bunch of other people put in the work to bridge the gap?
Which confirms what I said here:
Wayland devs are bashing xorg specifically to get people to start using wayland because without them, it’s just a fleshless protocol.
Why does the freetard community push the development burden on to the users? Proprietary software doesn’t do this.
>Why does the freetard community push the development burden on to the users? Proprietary software doesn’t do this.
Now this is a fucking retarded post. The users are the developers. You are receiving the software for free because you're expected to reciprocate.
>the users are the developers
Oh, well that explains why the Linux Desktop is such a pain in the ass to use.
You have to adhere to the whims of freetard developers instead of any sort of coherent user experience.
Yes, if you get no benefit from the GPL you might as well use some proprietary crap and move on.
Proprietary crap is more efficient if it saves time setting up “free” software.
Which is why the Linux desktop is still fucked after nearly a decade of effort into making it feasible. Ironically it took a megacorp (steam) getting involved before shit started getting better.
Yes, use proprietary crap then. You aren't the target audience for the Linux desktop. The GPL exists because you're EXPECTED to want to study and modify the code. If you don't want to do that it's useless to you.
My machine works pretty well too.
With Xorg. Why should I bother switching?
You can keep using deprecated software forever if you want. People might call you stupid but Microsoft or Apple aren't coming to take it away from you. That's true freedom.
But it still has more features and more support than wayland.
How is it deprecated? Who made the decision to deprecate Xorg before there was a viable replacement?
Oh right, the freetard developer community.
Yes, no one wants to maintain X.org anymore so it's been deprecated in favor of a more modern alternative. That doesn't mean it will be taken off the internet, or it has a built-in kill switch like proprietary software, or anything like that. If it stops compiling in ten years you can just fix it yourself.
No "freetard" has that power.
The wayland devs don’t want to maintain it. Probably because
>maintainer of xorg
Doesn’t sound as good as
>developer of wayland
On their LinkedIn profile.
This is the problem with free software. Decisions to abandon a standard before the alternative is ready are made solely because of social clout.
No one owes you anything. Either start maintaining X.org yourself or pay someone to do it for you. No one has a moral obligation to keep a display server from the 80s working forever.
Why would I spend my time contributing to the project when it’s controlled by people like you?
So angry and rooted in ideological currents that you have zero ability to respect the time of your users.
>Why would I spend my time contributing to the project when it’s controlled by people like you?
What a retarded question is that? You don't like Wayland and want to use Xorg in the future? Well, maintaining it is your only option.
>I have to contribute to the project in order to continue using it
Nah, I’ll just keep my set of patches up to date so it continues to work on my machine.
Contributing to OSS projects is a waste of time because you inevitably have to deal with tranny politics. I’ll spend my time more wisely, thanks.
Feel free to go back to Windows or buy a Mac. You don't benefit from free software, the only reason why you use it is because you need to hide your CP and think the government is out to get you.
>So angry and rooted in ideological currents that you have zero ability to respect the time of your users.
nagger, what do you think the GPL is? It's an ideological document. It was made by developers for the benefit of developers. If I'm having an issue with Wayland I'll write a patch or at least submit an issue with valuable information instead of mindless screeching.
I use free software for work, so you’re wrong.
Cool, now is your employer using free software because it's a better alternative or because they don't want to pay for proprietary licenses? Very important difference. If it's the former they should have no issue hiring someone to maintain the software they care about the most.
I use it for contracting work. You know, to make money.
What do you use software for?
I run Linux on all my devices, including my work laptop. It's just better.
You don't need to write patches for all compositors. It's not your responsibility to help out everyone, if GNOME wants to fix something that was fixed in KDE they can port the patch over.
All Wayland compositors that I know of have hardware cursors. You're ignorant and misinformed.
Anon you clearly don’t know what a hardware cursor is.
>All Wayland compositors that I know of have hardware cursors. You're ignorant and misinformed.
As has already been explained a million times already - Wayland does have hardware cursors, but they're broken. A hardware cursor in Wayland has the same latency as a software cursor in Xorg.
It's also been explained that this has nothing to do with Wayland and the kernel API is missing functionality. Use something like KWIN_DRM_NO_AMS=1 as a workaround until the kernel is fixed.
Of course the codebases are very different but if the issue is applicable to both (which it is in your example) I don't see why they can't share the same solution. Still, not your problem, you don't use multiple compositors at the same time.
NVIDIA is great on a headless server with a workstation card, I agree, but we're talking about Wayland which is obviously going to run on desktops and laptops.
Only NVIDIA can fix their drivers. There's no other possible solution, they don't release documentation or firmware blobs or anything that would allow the "freetards" to fix the issue themselves.
It has everything to do with Wayland because only Wayland is retarded enough to use that API.
No, X.org can use it too but it's disabled by default. You're just complaining about defaults which take five seconds to change.
>don't hurt their feelings!
I haven't bought NVIDIA since 2014. That company is never receiving my money again.
Don’t hurt their feelings? You’re the one asking them to spend work time developing for YOUR use case. For free.
Freetards are ridiculously naive. I’m just glad I have found a way to use your free labor to make money.
>You’re the one asking them to spend work time developing for YOUR use case
Not for my use case, I'm not stupid enough to buy their cards, but if you paid $2000 for a 4090 you have a right to complain.
There's no flaw in that thinking, it's the only possible way to argue about it. You're living in fantasy land. Building an open NVIDIA driver would require a quantum computer because you would need to crack their encrypted firmware protocol.
Complain about what?
Their cards are running my SD models perfectly. On Linux. Using Xorg.
The only people complaining about nvidia are the ones who don’t use nvidia lol.
>No, X.org can use it too but it's disabled by default.
Only modesetting has support for it. I doubt anyone has it enabled.
>You're just complaining about defaults which take five seconds to change.
Can't be changed on GNOME, can't be changed on Sway.
On KDE it's a bugfest. The cursor disappears when you drag a window between monitors. Also, still has this bug - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=447797 - because it only got fixed for atomic.
>The cursor disappears when you drag a window between monitors
No, that was fixed.
Does not happen on my machine.
You're still ignorant and misinformed.
Complain about the card not working properly on the standard display protocol for the most popular operating system in the world.
> most popular operating system in the world.
Windows? Nvidia works fine on windows.
It’s why I love making fun of them. They are entirely too stupid to realize how they hurt their own ideals by being such ideological cunts.
>Windows? Nvidia works fine on windows.
Linux runs on far more devices than Windows.
For servers, and as such not at all relevant to the discussion of a display stack.
I bet you thought you were being clever lmao.
I'm not being clever, it's a fact. NVIDIA is neglecting the most popular operating system in the world.
Ships as the default option on Ubuntu, Fedora, RHEL, etc. Yes, Wayland is the standard now.
You’re being really stupid, anon. Here I’ll show you why
> Complain about the card not working properly on the standard display protocol for the most popular operating system in the world
Is the standard display protocol the most popular one in the world?
I don't know, I'd imagine there's a lot of old LTS releases out there. So probably not yet. It's still the standard because it ships as the default on all relevant distros and desktop environments.
>everyone switches back to Xorg anyway
Most people don't even know what display server they're running. The only thing they notice is that their desktop became smoother and their battery life is improved.
>The only thing they notice is that their desktop became smoother and their battery life is improved.
They will notice the laggy cursor, broken drag and drop, broken screensharing and likely driver crashes/freezes.
You should inform the Ubuntu and Fedora developers of that. You clearly know better than them. They've made a massive mistake!
Wayland does this too. Mutter, KWin, sway, etc. all support direct scanout.
Fedora is the designated beta testing distro and Ubuntu keeps losing market share. You think they are some sort of authorities?
As the user I know best what's good for me.
Which distro do you use?
It’s not a standard, anon. Just admit that you’re pulling at hairs.
The most common operating system used for display is windows. Nvidia works fine for windows.
>Ships as the default option on Ubuntu, Fedora, RHEL, etc.
Only for AMD/Intel and everyone switches back to Xorg anyway.
Wayland has <10% market share.
>the standard display protocol for the most popular operating system in the world
Nvidia is great with X11 too.
>only nvidia can fix their drivers
Maybe they’d be more willing to fix their drivers if the open source community wasn’t full of people like you?
>Only NVIDIA can fix their drivers. There's no other possible solution, they don't release documentation or firmware blobs or anything that would allow the "freetards" to fix the issue themselves.
While I get your point, At the end of the day your average PC user will just go "Oh my 30/40 series GPU I just bought doesn't work on Linux? Oh well time to keep using Windows" and will continue on forever unless NVIDIA does something or "Freetards" apply more pressure to get NVIDIA to open source more that just kernels or SteamDeck gets more popular to force everyone to care.
Your logic of just buying a GPU to use an OS that someone might not end up liking is flawed.
The ironic thing is Nvidia would be more willing to work on their driver if dealing with the free software community wasn’t such an aids fest.
But as it stands, it’s literally burning money for no good reason.
>is Nvidia would be more willing to work on their driver if dealing with the free software community wasn’t such an aids fest
No, they won't, you just too young and don't remember their history with Apple
You think they’d be unwilling to extend their customer base, for free?
You’re stupid as fuck LOL
>You think they’d be unwilling to extend their customer base, for free?
They could outsource their driver development to Mesa team just by releasing their driver stack open source but they didn't do that either
Why would they outsource their driver? That’s so fucking retarded and it’s exactly why AMD is notorious for shit driver issues on windows.
>why AMD is notorious for shit driver issues on windows.
AMD also has shit driver on Linux but on one uses it because they're using Mesa driver so no ones complaining and praising AMD
But nvidia has good drivers. Why would they ruin that by outsourcing it?
>But nvidia has good drivers.
Where? On Windows?
The Linux community loves to act like a bunch of twats only to turn around and gaslight those that they mistreated. If Windows and MacOS weren't absolute dogshit, I would use one of them on principle just to disassociate myself from the Linux community.
What's wrong with Windows?
Windows is literal spyware and it's even worse than MacOS from a productivity standpoint. If I had to give up FOSS operating systems, I would pick MacOS over Windows, since MacOS just feels like a dumbed down Linux and Windows feels like cancer and aids had a baby.
None of this would be a problem if nvidia removed the malicious functionality where the gpu is underclocked to the lowest possible frequency unless you use firmware signed by nvidia. Nvidia is cucking nouveau mathematically.
>nvidia uses firmware to ensure their cards don’t burn your house down
>Freetards complain about this
Yet we all know it would be in the news when a freetard burns their house down because they thought they knew more than nvidia.
>if GNOME wants to fix something that was fixed in KDE they can port the patch over
lmao no that's not how it works. You've never seriously written software in your life.
>I run Linux on all my devices, including my work laptop
nagger, you're probably running your laptop on Intel/AMD iGPU and only using Nvidia on-demand. I don't believe you're using Nvidia modesetting because that would be dumbest shit gayming laptop user could ever do.
Linux IS better. You couldn't pay me enough to go back to Windows or Mac. And even objectively worse free software is better than proprietary. Why? Because I can just fix it.
>If I'm having an issue with Wayland I'll write a patch
This is actually one of the bad things about Wayland. If you have a problem with xorg, you just write a patch to xserver and call it a day. For wayland, you'll probably have to write a patch against multiple compositors which has a ton of obvious pitfalls.
> If I'm having an issue with Wayland I'll write a patch or at least submit an issue with valuable information instead of mindless screeching.
Meanwhile I’m still waiting for a hardware cursor.
Wayland has hardware cursors but they implemented it so stupidly that it makes people think it doesn't have it.
>But it still has more features
It has but that's not the point
>and more support than wayland
true, but it's only a matter of time
>How is it deprecated?
Because original developers decided not to develop it anymore? KDE developers said in 2018 that Kwin_x11 won't receive any new X11 features in 2018
>but it’s only a matter of time
So why don’t you wayland cultists wait until wayland can actually replace xorg before making threads cursing everyone who still uses xorg?
Freetards are lodged up their own asses.
> Because original developers
Not developers. Maintainers.
It’s interesting how the free software community has such an issue with maintaining mature software. They always find a way to start reinventing the wheel AND replacing their old wheels with the new ones before the wheel is certified to work.
But some freetards are going to take your deprecated software from you? I guess you forgot to take your medication today, lol
He’s pretty much just shown why the majority of users (both casual and professional) prefer proprietary software.
Which is a shame too, because free software is fun and educational. Too bad it’s gatekept by retards.
> You are receiving the software for free because you're expected to reciprocate.
I also never reciprocate because helping these projects is a waste of time. They always push the workload on to me as if my time is free.
The first rule of charity: don’t make it hard to contribute.
You don't need to reciprocate, but don't expect anyone to take your complaints seriously. Pay Red Hat or Canonical if you want professional support. You will never receive that for free.
and once again, you show why a free Linux desktop is a pipe dream.
Works great on my machine. If it doesn't work on yours feel free to fix it or pay someone else to fix it for you.
>So what you’re saying is wayland can’t replace X unless a bunch of other people put in the work to bridge the gap?
People have been replacing features of X with different applications because long before Wayland was born, why does it surprises you when some other features get the same treatment?
It doesn’t. What surprises me is how so many retards have created this cult against xorg usage.
Lmao nagger don't tell me your DE isn't using freetype and libinput
what are you even responding to? Your comment makes no sense given the context of the two posts in the reply chain.
>xwayland (x 4)
>present (x 3)
>modesetting (x 8)
>dix (x 4)
Most commits are still strictly Xorg, fucking lying shill.
Out of curiosity - which company is paying you? Is it RedHat? ...Or perhaps Microsoft?
updates to xorg
>small bug fix
updates to xwayland
>uh, yeah, we need to refactor everything again and it's all broken still
i think i know which i'll stick with
Can you disable vsync on Wayland now? Only reason I haven't switched
No, wait for 2 more weeks
Friendly reminder, don't forget to turn on Wayland on Firefox.
Thank me later.
>Still can't comfortably use KDE Wayland with nvidia
You dumb homosexuals have been shilling this retard shit for years now. Give it a rest until it actually works. I don't give a fuck who you blame for it not working.
Stop buying faulty hardware. It works great on Intel, AMD, Mali, Adreno, etc. Send any complaints to [email protected]
My nvidia card works fine on X11 and I have no reason to care about whether it works on wayland. I'm not going to buy inferior hardware just to satisfy some dumb homosexuals on LULZ.
>the best hardware breaks constantly, loses in every benchmark and lags on simple desktop tasks
Name one compositor that doesn't have support for hardware cursors.
>he thinks Nvidia isn’t the best hardware
Found the freetard who thinks ML is a meme.
Works on my machine
>loses in every benchmark
>lags on simple desktop tasks
Works on my machine
Maybe it's your tranny display server that's the problem.
We've also been shilling not to buy novideo if you're going to use it on Linux but here you fucking are.
I'd fucking use it if it wasn't Krashing piece of shit
and I have a AMD GPU
>Stop holding Linux desktop back.
I will stop using GNOME and Wayland, then.
op is a troon
but tiling window managers are the only ones that actually work well in wayland
Wayland holds linux back by trying to fix shit that isn't broken. Application developers don't want to try to support linux when every year or two some troons popularize shit that ruins support. Linux is not stable for application development.
I can't do xrandr --scale-from in wayland so it's shit
>actually from what I hear, it's supposed to work
>WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME???
One of the common issues I’ve noticed with free software is that there are people who associate with software projects as a replacement for normal social interaction.
So they dedicate a large amount of time to reading bug threads, release notes, PR comments, forum discussions, etc revolving around a topic they care about but never actually take any time to use the software in question.
These are the people who are responsible for the most content in wayland threads. They sit here regurgitating what they’ve read online as if it’s gospel, and will argue with anyone who dares to suggest that their favorite open source software isn’t feature complete and as such isn’t a viable replacement for an existing software.
xwayland is a bad joke
Why? It just works.
no it doesn't
I switched to sway a few days ago, mostly just to try it out, but I'll probably stick with it for the foreseeable future. It's okay. It solved some annoyances I ran into on X. I don't have strong opinions. Wayland is okay. X is okay. They're both functional.
I don't really care about "the linux desktop". I don't see a reason why I should want normies to switch to linux. My desktop uses the software I've chosen, and it does what I want it to do. The obsession with "the year of the linux desktop" has always been bizarre to me. If anything, whenever a piece of software starts trying to appeal to normies, it just ends up degrading in quality. I don't know about *your* desktop, but there's nothing in particular holding back *my* linux desktop.
thx, u 2 fren
I guess it would be nice, but idk, I don't own a single HDR display. And I'm not really sure why I would want one. I've seen them in person and it's cool I guess but it doesn't seem to justify the price tag.
No idea what you're talking about. When I originally set up i3wm, it took me like maybe 2-3 hours to get everything set up exactly the way I wanted it. I moved to sway and almost everything immediately worked. I had to tweak a few things and replace some utilities but that only took and hour or two. It does exactly what I want it to do and if I want it to do something in the future it'll only take a few minutes. Really seems like a non-issue, and the flexibility makes it easy to change the functionality if I want it to work differently in the future, and it'll probably only take a couple minutes. It would unironically take exponentially more time for me to install some random DE I haven't used in 15 years and try to learn how everything works in it.
You're fooling nobody. You know damn well every week you think of some new gimmick to add to your config, then you think it's bloated and start over again.
sounds like you're just projecting here
Sure, whatever you say, anon.
True, but it would be nice if linux could get HDR in userland. I don't use it, but it's getting pretty embarrassing.
Sway is for people who actually do nothing but rice their machines. You're wasting time getting the perfect config when 99.999% 9f what you need can be done on any other wm
Not him but I use i3 and the only configuration I really did was change the braindead bindings to moving windows (to hjkl instead of jkl;) and make tabbed layout the default. Oh and I guess add keybindings for programs I use but that applies to anything.
Give me a DE for my Pi
Wayland on kde is utter trash, really.
I've tried to use it but oy vey it's bad, the first 15 minute bug I always encounter is with the start menu, I try to copy the favorites to the bar and it bugs out so after dragging the first it stays "selected" and any click will just open the app.
A second one would be how all applications just look bad and disjointed, gtk apps use adwaita and qt apps use breeze for some reason.
This shit works alright on GNONE.
OP, you'll never be a woman, don't pretend like it's our issue. This is now an Xorg propaganda thread
>anal sex is the future
Yikes. Whatever you say, chud.
stop holding computing back
wayland makes eclipse crash so no. X just works
if they remove forced vsync i'll think about it
Remind me when the following work on wayland:
>lxpanel (gtk 2)
That's basically my DE, so if that's X11 exclusive, so am I.
i hate this shit
i want to move away from it so bad and can't find a worthy alternative
I'm too deep in. I'm even running my own fork, because my retard self would rather patch openbox than write an fvwm config file.
>I'm even running my own fork
wat it do?
>wat it do?
In the context of "remind me when the following work on wayland" it (obv) works on wayland? perhaps the guy(!!!) added extra features who knows
are you retarded?
Window snapping. You can probably find it on github, but pls don't bully me about my code.
Wayland won’t win unless the switch from X is as smooth as the switch from pulseaudio to pipewire.
Guys I'm sitting here absolutely fucking pumped. I just installed Arco after running (ameliorated) windoze for far too long because of CAD software. Luckily Proton is fucking great and I can ditch micro$hit.
My question regards the Hyprland Nvidia wiki, where it says
"There is no official support for Nvidia. Unfortunately, their drivers are so messy, and their products so random, that it’s impossible for us to help if these instructions don’t work fully.
Every card seems to be random, and might work perfectly, or not work at all."
What the fuck do they mean by this? Is every individual card different? Manufacturer? Or the GPU model. Hopefully it's the latter but given by how everyone says "nvidias cards are so random", I'm guessing it's the former... But if not! has anyone gotten a GTX 980Ti to work?